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« on: Oct 19, 2009, 06:14 »

ok so i got caught with pot on a piss test.... now what do i do? do i still have potential in the civilian nuke field? thanks guys.
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« Reply #1 on: Oct 19, 2009, 06:32 »

ok so i got caught with pot on a piss test.... now what do i do? do i still have potential in the civilian nuke field? thanks guys.

If you look at your situation as getting "caught" and don't plan to change your lifestyle, then nuclear power isn't for you.

If you take a long, hard look at your life...and realize you have a drug problem...and go to rehab and come out clean...and THEN try to get unescorted access, you can probably still end up with a successful career...

Good luck.
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« Reply #2 on: Oct 19, 2009, 06:35 »

Go home, tell Mom and Dad why you got kicked out.  Find someone who will hire someone with a dishonorable discharge...perhaps the local quickie-mart or gas station.  As was made clear many times, we have no tolerance for those that use.  Embarrassed Cry
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« Reply #3 on: Oct 19, 2009, 06:42 »

ok so i got caught with pot on a piss test.... now what do i do? do i still have potential in the civilian nuke field? thanks guys.

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« Reply #4 on: Oct 19, 2009, 06:43 »

Go home, tell Mom and Dad why you got kicked out.  Find someone who will hire someone with a dishonorable discharge...perhaps the local quickie-mart or gas station.  As was made clear many times, we have no tolerance for those that use.  Embarrassed Cry

Hopefully he will also do some brig time and lose lots of cash prior to being kicked out Angry
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« Reply #5 on: Oct 19, 2009, 06:48 »

look i know i messed up. i just need serious job advice, not judgement.
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« Reply #6 on: Oct 19, 2009, 07:01 »

look i know i messed up. i just need serious job advice, not judgement.

Like I said above...rehab is your quickest route to forgiveness.

Or you can do the ditch digging route that others recommend...and try nuclear power again in 6 or 8 years...
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« Reply #7 on: Oct 19, 2009, 07:08 »

look i know i messed up. i just need serious job advice, not judgement.

Congratulations on taking the first step needed.  UncaBuffalo has some of the best advice posted.  Head to rehab, learn from your mistake, stay away from it in the future and you'll stand a much better chance of getting into civilian nuke. 
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« Reply #8 on: Oct 19, 2009, 07:26 »

Why does he need rehab?  Pot is not addictive.
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« Reply #9 on: Oct 19, 2009, 07:38 »

Why does he need rehab?  Pot is not addictive.

Whether the THC or the joy of the habit is to blame is debatable, but either way he put purchasing,possession and using an illegal controlled substance ahead of local,state and Federal laws, including the UCMJ. Rehab might help the decision-making process... by the way, would you REALLY want him operating YOUR plant?
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« Reply #10 on: Oct 19, 2009, 07:40 »

Look, most people around here don't give pats on the head and we are all out of warm fuzzies to hand out.  

That being said, the first thing you have to figure out is why on earth you decided to light up in the first place, especially considering you know full well what the consequences would be and that you would eventually get tested.  When you figure out the answer to that question, then you can start figuring out what to do afterwards.  I don't know about the requirements at commercial plants as far as security clearances or if a drug discharge affects that or not, but I can guarantee that there are not a lot of nuclear related jobs that are going to look casually upon that sort of thing.  

Bottom line is, you knew the risk and you took it, and broke a major rule of engagement.  You engaged in an activity that is illegal(despite what the current administration thinks of it) and you are going live with that choice.  You came here for advice, you got some advice, and you got a lot of deserved flak for what you did.  Now you can either get over it and move on, get your feelings hurt and leave, or something in between.  
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« Reply #11 on: Oct 19, 2009, 07:46 »

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« Reply #12 on: Oct 19, 2009, 08:26 »

Last I knew (GMT last year I believe), the Navy was required to offer substance abuse counselling prior to discharge for a related offense.  Take them up on it when offered, pay attention, and put it down...for good.  There's a saying, "The elevator goes all the way to the bottom, but you can get off before then."  One thing leads to another.....Continue to use, and you and those around you will suffer...even though you might think you're not hurting anybody....maybe not today, or tomorrow, but eventually it will catch up with you.  What you are experiencing now is only the tip of the iceberg...there's alot of "yets" to come for you if you continue down this path.  You probably don't have an arrest record for possession....yet.  You probably don't have a DUI...yet.  You probably haven't (fill in the blank)....yet.
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« Reply #13 on: Oct 20, 2009, 12:38 »

It's not our job to make you feel better about your employment opportunities. I'll tell it straight, I doubt you get a job in the commercial nuke world. Why take a chance on you when there's 1000s of guys, equally or better qualified who didn't do pot?
I certainly wouldn't hire you.

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« Reply #14 on: Oct 20, 2009, 12:46 »

I have to agree with Mike on this one. To relate a personal anecdote, an acquaintance of mine was on his way out of the Navy. Had a job lined up at a south western plant and everything. Got a DUI during his last month in and went to mast. When he got to his nice new lucrative job in the nuke world, they told him to pack sand, as there were 100s of other guys who didn't drive while drunk. So, I am guessing that you won't have a chance for a long time.

I do have a question I always wanted to ask someone like you;

Was it worth it? Has to be the most expensive joint ever, I would imagine.

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« Reply #15 on: Oct 20, 2009, 05:56 »

Why does he need rehab?  Pot is not addictive.

Here's my understanding of how getting unescorted access works:

If you had a drug problem, but have gotten help and no longer have it, you MAY get UA at a commercial site.  http://www.nrc.gov/reactors/operating/ops-experience/access-authorization/faq.html  HOWEVER, you have to prove you no longer have the issue & are now trustworthy.  Completing rehab is the quickest route.  You can also just stay clean for a sufficient period of time on your own, but...

As far as whether pot is addictive, I think that goes into a whole psychological addiction vs. physiological addiction argument that is beyond the scope of this thread...
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« Reply #16 on: Oct 20, 2009, 08:47 »

There are two parts to whether he can get a commercial job:

1.  Can he get unescorted access.
2.  Will anyone hire him.

I guess I was strictly focusing on the UA part... 

To address whether anyone will hire him...since Mike, Justin, & Marssim all agree that he's out-of-luck, it's going to be hard to feel good about his chances...maybe if he has a ton of experience in a high-demand specialization (RP during outage season?), he would be able to get on as a contractor, but...
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« Reply #17 on: Oct 20, 2009, 09:07 »

He never did say what his NEC used to be........ DOE land is hurting for warm breathing bodies to spend all the stimulus $$$$. If he is honest with the hiring people and completes Rehab he mighthave a chance to get hired as a D&D worker or RCT.
That is the only place I know of where forgiveness is to be found .

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« Reply #18 on: Oct 20, 2009, 10:08 »

jong, do what ever you have to do to stay in and finish your commitment.  While this may not be in the nuke program, you want that honorable.  If they kick you out, tough it up and get on with your life.  Hell, you can come here to Santa Cruz CA and a significant portion of the population will treat you as a hero, but a nuke you will not be. We all make mistakes, just be glad you don't have to wear a scarlet letter, that is unless your job requires a security clearance.

And yes, I smoked a bit of pot while in the service, but then they were not testing for drugs at the time, but if caught, it was big trouble even then.
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« Reply #19 on: Oct 20, 2009, 11:23 »

Your life is not over, just harder.   If you like pot and feel it restricts your life to not have it, move to San Francisco and get a job where they do not care, like in the art world.   If you truly wish to give it up, like giving up the other woman in an affair, you must give it up.  Once you have made that decision, go to school, have a clean record.   Many people like redemption, as in religion.  All make mistakes of some sort in life.   It could have been worse, say had an accident and found you under the influence and hurt somebody.   I don't see why a nuke is the only thing you could wish to do.   Yes, it would be tough getting a "Q" clearance for awhile, but plenty of jobs out there.   Get some college and if you truly wish to come into the field, come back as an engineer or something.   You have a chance to make your life better if this forces you into a direction you may have never considered.   Try to turn your lemons into lemonaid.
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« Reply #20 on: Oct 20, 2009, 03:02 »

You were smart enough to get into the Nuke program, so you have THAT going for yourself. Get back to a civilian school, study something else that you think that you might enjoy.

In addition, attend 100 AA or NA meetings for the next 100 days.

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« Reply #21 on: Oct 20, 2009, 03:46 »

There's a lot of good stuff written here...  Listen to it.

I honestly have my doubts about whether you will or not though.  You seem to be more upset about the fact that you "got caught" than anything else.  A little bit more remorse for the poor soul who has to cover your butt on the watchbill would probably help.  Hopefully your ship wasn't deploying soon!

Having had my guys do this in the past, I can tell you it's not the end.  You're probably not going to walk out of the Navy and into a nuke plant though.  Go back to school and get good grades.  You've already proven you can pass a relatively tough academic program, apply those study habits to college and you'll be fine. 

Get as far away from that crap as you can for a while, and prove you're worthwhile and people will be a little more forgiving.  Get "caught" again, and you're never going to get back into anything to do with nuclear power.

Good luck, and don't do anything else stupid!
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« Reply #22 on: Oct 20, 2009, 05:00 »

What is the Navys deal on this?  Army was 45 days restriction 45 days  extra duty, 2/3 pay for 2 months and reduction in rank for E5 and below.  Above was automatic discharge. If they let you stay in shape up and do your time and do not be ignorant anymore.  Go to the rehab.  You can still get a honorable discharge if this is the case.  If you own up to it for DOE jobs and Nuke Plant you MAY get a pass if you show your rehab and admit your stupidity.  Both will ask if you have been punished by Captains Mast or Article 15,  You will have to own up to it.
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« Reply #23 on: Oct 20, 2009, 05:46 »

What is the Navys deal on this?  Army was 45 days restriction 45 days  extra duty, 2/3 pay for 2 months and reduction in rank for E5 and below.  Above was automatic discharge.

The navy's "deal" for unauthorized use of a controlled substance is...automatic separation with an Other-Than-Honorable discharge.  It's not dishonorable (those are reserved for felony convictions etc), but it's definitely a Bad Thing(tm).  I've heard of people being able to upgrade their discharge status after the fact, but I'm not very familiar with that.

From day one, when Joe Kid walks through the door and talks to the recruiter, they are told about the Navy's "Zero Tolerance" policy on drugs.  They are required to watch a video on it.  They are tested at the recruiter's office before going to MEPS. They are tested at MEPS before shipping out to boot camp.  They are tested at boot camp.  They are tested at nuke school.  They are tested when they first report to a new command.  They are tested randomly and at least once a year there is a command sweep where everybody gets tested.

Every single test is handled carefully to prevent any possibility of tampering or compromised results.  At the lab, when a sample does come back positive, it is sent to ANOTHER laboratory for an independent check.

The reason for such rigorous methodology is that the consequences for failing a drug test are severe.  Before the navy accuses a person of using drugs, they want to make absolutely certain of that fact.  There are no second chances.  There is no forgiveness.  There is no We're-Going-To-Look-The-Other-Way-This-Time.  It's game over.

The commercial nuclear industry is not some garbage bin that accepts people who "weren't quite good enough for the navy".  It has the same high standards for its operators.  If jong1239 chose to smoke pot in the navy AFTER BEING TOLD AGAIN AND AGAIN THE CONSEQUENCES then I have little sympathy for him.

There's a lot of competition for jobs out there right now.  Getting kicked out for drug use doesn't make you very competitive.  I highly doubt that somebody could slide into an ops job at a commercial nuke plant immediately after something like this.  Maybe after 5 years and successful completion of rehab.
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« Reply #24 on: Oct 20, 2009, 08:06 »

The commercial nuclear industry is not some garbage bin that accepts people who "weren't quite good enough for the navy".  It has the same high standards for its operators.  If jong1239 chose to smoke pot in the navy AFTER BEING TOLD AGAIN AND AGAIN THE CONSEQUENCES then I have little sympathy for him.

There's no "flying under the radar" on this one...and no sympathy from the Nuclear Community.  He'd do well to simply delete his Nukeworker profile, in my opinion.  We all know the consequences faced with our technology when we sign on.   

Proof again:  the system works.

Unfortunate that this likens to a horrible accident on the interstate that backs up traffic for miles.   Move along people....nothing to see here.
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