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Navy Nuc oops!
Kev3399:
--- Quote from: Roll Tide on Oct 23, 2007, 06:45 ---Never give away your signature as a rubber stamp. It is your vow.
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I can agree with everyone about this topic when standing EOOW. Especially ELT and RC Div stuff. It amazed me at how bad some ELTs really are. I never really knew it until I started signing all their paperwork. One little challenge and usually they would fold and the facts of the matter would come out. It amazes me that this problem on the Hampton went for so long. It appears to me that it wasn't just 6 ELTs and one officer......most likely an entire Engineering Dept lack of care and ownership. What about their check chem program??? Non existent apparently. Thats a problem from the CO on down.
As far as a LT recieving NJP....thats possible except its called Admirals Mast. I believe they get a piece of paper in their service record and that spells out the end of their naval career. I might be wrong though. Anyone else out there got better info on this?
As far as gundecking and the talk of ELTs getting in trouble as a common occurence.....The current Admiral has ELT performance as one of his 3 major priorities. This was put out well before this incident and it is a major problem across the program. I can only imagine the atmosphere in his office when he was getting briefed on this "oops".
Marvin:
We had a few sleazy nukes on my ship (over 20 years ago). ELT's are most apt to radio logs and to cause problems when they radio logs since it's probably not lube oil cooler outlet temperature we are talking about and since real chemistry takes a lot more work than reading a gauge. However, hard work is never an excuse for falsifying information or blowing off a sample.
Truth be known, this has been going on for many years and we have been fixing it without getting the zeroes involved. When a friend copped an attitude and started getting sleazy, we covered for them while letting them know that we weren't going to stand for it. There was more than one occassion when I covered for a sleazy (translated unhappy) crewmate to keep his butt out of the brig while controlling the chemistry that he blew off.
It sounds like there's something much bigger here than a couple of ELT's getting sleazy. Sounds like there are latent organizational weaknesses and a large group of unhappy shipmates that stopped challenging one another to "do the right thing." If the Navy's investigational team concludes that it's just a bunch of bad apples engaging in misconduct, then they are as bad or worse than the bad apples and aren't really fixing the bigger problem. It's not a bunch of bad apples, it is a bad barrel.
I feel for these guys and the barrel they are in. I hope the rest of you active duty ELT's (and nukes in general) don't stop challenging each other to "do the right thing." It's what Rickover would have wanted, and it's what our buddies need and deserve.
Marvin
Rad Sponge:
--- Quote from: Marvin on Oct 25, 2007, 09:21 ---We had a few sleazy nukes on my ship (over 20 years ago). ELT's are most apt to radio logs and to cause problems when they radio logs since it's probably not lube oil cooler outlet temperature we are talking about and since real chemistry takes a lot more work than reading a gauge. However, hard work is never an excuse for falsifying information or blowing off a sample.
Truth be known, this has been going on for many years and we have been fixing it without getting the zeroes involved. When a friend copped an attitude and started getting sleazy, we covered for them while letting them know that we weren't going to stand for it. There was more than one occassion when I covered for a sleazy (translated unhappy) crewmate to keep his butt out of the brig while controlling the chemistry that he blew off.
It sounds like there's something much bigger here than a couple of ELT's getting sleazy. Sounds like there are latent organizational weaknesses and a large group of unhappy shipmates that stopped challenging one another to "do the right thing." If the Navy's investigational team concludes that it's just a bunch of bad apples engaging in misconduct, then they are as bad or worse than the bad apples and aren't really fixing the bigger problem. It's not a bunch of bad apples, it is a bad barrel.
I feel for these guys and the barrel they are in. I hope the rest of you active duty ELT's (and nukes in general) don't stop challenging each other to "do the right thing." It's what Rickover would have wanted, and it's what our buddies need and deserve.
Marvin
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There is hardly an excuse anymore because the bulk of the logs are now computer generated and even the secondary system is automated for analyzing samples.
I think one of fundamental flaws with Sub ELT life is the workload. My experience was that there never was a chance to breathe.
Having a robust check-chem program, a robust Audit and Surveillance Program, a robust training program, etc etc means you are never done with paper work. It is insane, utterly insane, and utterly impossible to get it all done, but the appearance of propriety is all that matters in the end and if you get an AA, or E on your ORSE.
Oh yeah, and all the actual work that has to get done, spending your off watch doing an observation on a maint evolution that is being done just for the observation and not because the system actually needs to get breached.
I don't condone gundecking, but I understand why it happens.
So, if there are some NR/SQN spies out there reading this, take a good look at how ludicrous the amount of bs that goes into having a successful RL div and for what?
Let's not forget on top of all the RL div stuff, the ELT has to play mechanic and participate in all the M-Div training, PMS, tag outs, etc and stay on top of mechanics who can't seem to figure out how to do a turbidity.
I am thankful I became an ELT, because it gave 3 distinct skill sets that are employed SEPARATELY in the commericial world.
Looking back, I would not want to go through all that crap again unless some serious overhauls were made to the administration of RL div.
kwicslvr:
I can't agree more with the above post...
rlbinc:
I understand why it happens, too.
It's due to lack of integrity.
It's not unique to the Navy or high workload environments.
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