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93-383:
--- Quote from: Marssim on Oct 26, 2007, 12:31 ---Okay, as a former LELT, RCSS, etc.,.....Man! Things have changed,... :-\
To wit,...We became aware of an MM-ELT gundecking his SG level logs underway in AMR2LL (remember the stupid, almost never accurate Yarways they use to stick in front of the throttleman),...
proved it, charged him, masted him, denuked, defrocked, desubed, degone, dedone,...
we went port and stbd in AMR2LL for the rest of the spec op, it was a long spec op, and we knew we'd be P & S before we busted the big dummy, that was even mentioned to us by the bull nuke when the gundecking was still just a suspicion and not a fact and maybe we should just "mentor" the situation,...
we just told the bull nuke "if he's gundecking the simple stuff, where else is he screwing us?, nah, he's gotta face the music and we need to be able to trust the last watchstander",... mistakes are mitigable, malicious malfeasance knows no end,...
in years since I've wondered if the bull nuke was just gauging the integrity of the RL division rank and file,...
like I said,...Things have changed,...I don't remember entire nuke divisions going to mast back then, maybe I was just too busy to notice,...
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Sadly that would not happen today. The standards of the program have sliped to a dangerous level. Due to manning the schools are passing everyone. I had an MM that admitidly had failed and ack-boarded every phase of the pipline. He was a danger to himself and others. However the command would not consider kicking him out (and yes he gave good cause more than once, perfect example this was a guy who failed to recognise a flooding casualty, I'm not kidding) the answer was we need the people. There are still good people in the program but the numbers are dwindling.
JustinHEMI05:
--- Quote from: 93-383 on Oct 26, 2007, 01:57 ---Sadly that would not happen today. The standards of the program have sliped to a dangerous level. Due to manning the schools are passing everyone. I had an MM that admitidly had failed and ack-boarded every phase of the pipline. He was a danger to himself and others. However the command would not consider kicking him out (and yes he gave good cause more than once, perfect example this was a guy who failed to recognise a flooding casualty, I'm not kidding) the answer was we need the people. There are still good people in the program but the numbers are dwindling.
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Reminds me of the movie idiocracy. If you haven't seen it you should rent it, you will laugh. The premise is that all the smart people are too busy to have families all the while the not so smart people continue to breed like bunnies, and in a few decades... everyone is an idiot. In the navy nuke program, the smart people are getting out, the dumb people are staying in... and the number of dumb people entering the program way outnumber the smart people entering due to waivers. Eventually... uggg I don't want to even think about it.
Justin
Roll Tide:
I am glad to see that this has impacted more than just RL Division and the CRA.
--- Quote ---Associated Press - October 26, 2007 7:25 AM ET
LOS ANGELES (AP) - The Navy says it has relieved the commanding officer of the nuclear-powered submarine USS Hampton of his duty because of a loss of confidence in his leadership.
Commander Michael Portland was dismissed from his job yesterday after Navy investigators found the ship failed to do daily safety checks on its nuclear reactor for a month and falsified records to cover up the omission.
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http://www.wdbj7.com/global/story.asp?s=7269247&ClientType=Printable
But I also agree that the Navy needs to re-examine what is important, and get rid of the fluff.
BTW, I was not the LELT but I was an RCSS. I wasn't an ELT, but my friends were. Don't worry, I am fully qualified to comment on this (though I have been out for 12 years). And I would love to have access to the real information in order to perform a root cause on this.
Kev3399:
--- Quote from: JustinHEMI05 on Oct 26, 2007, 02:58 ---Reminds me of the movie idiocracy. If you haven't seen it you should rent it, you will laugh. The premise is that all the smart people are too busy to have families all the while the not so smart people continue to breed like bunnies, and in a few decades... everyone is an idiot. In the navy nuke program, the smart people are getting out, the dumb people are staying in... and the number of dumb people entering the program way outnumber the smart people entering due to waivers. Eventually... uggg I don't want to even think about it.
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I disagree Justin. Although I will agree with the standards dropping.....and the downturn in quality from the training pipeline. There are still alot of really smart and motivated people in the program. They keep on reenlisting and doing the patrols for all the right reasons. I good friend of mine just reenlisted the other day. He could have found a better paying job outside the Navy, but he decided to stay for the right reasons. Its unfortunate that the wrong collection of leadership was in place on this submarine. It is still amazing that this could happen and I provide no excuse for the actions of this Engineering Dept. However, to say that the program will just completely fail in the future is narrow minded. I trained some incredibly talented individuals in Charleston, and some who could barely tie their own shoes. I'm not proud of the latter, but I did the best I could with what was given to me. Unfortunately the training pipeline is designed to keep everyone now, we did the best we could in Charleston. I have a high degree of trust in the future Navy leadership to separate the good ones from the bad ones. Its not hard, a piss poor nuke is easy to spot. All you have to do is watch them for about 15 minutes. Thats all it would have taken on this submarine to figure out this RL Div was hosed. One EWS or Supervisor to take 15 minutes of his time to watch the daily sample...........One EDO to cruise by the sample sink and watch whats going on.
JustinHEMI05:
--- Quote from: Kev3399 on Oct 26, 2007, 05:14 ---I disagree Justin. Although I will agree with the standards dropping.....and the downturn in quality from the training pipeline. There are still alot of really smart and motivated people in the program. They keep on reenlisting and doing the patrols for all the right reasons. I good friend of mine just reenlisted the other day. He could have found a better paying job outside the Navy, but he decided to stay for the right reasons. Its unfortunate that the wrong collection of leadership was in place on this submarine. It is still amazing that this could happen and I provide no excuse for the actions of this Engineering Dept. However, to say that the program will just completely fail in the future is narrow minded. I trained some incredibly talented individuals in Charleston, and some who could barely tie their own shoes. I'm not proud of the latter, but I did the best I could with what was given to me. Unfortunately the training pipeline is designed to keep everyone now, we did the best we could in Charleston. I have a high degree of trust in the future Navy leadership to separate the good ones from the bad ones. Its not hard, a piss poor nuke is easy to spot. All you have to do is watch them for about 15 minutes. Thats all it would have taken on this submarine to figure out this RL Div was hosed. One EWS or Supervisor to take 15 minutes of his time to watch the daily sample...........One EDO to cruise by the sample sink and watch whats going on.
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Ya I don't disagree that there are still and probably always will be good people that do the right thing in the program. I however don't have the trust or faith that you do in the future of the program. I guess only time will tell. I truely hope you are right for everone's sake.
Sounds like this whole ship was broke. Besides what just happened, I am sure they are going to get plenty of help on both ends... nukes and cones... and I am really curious to see what else comes out fore and aft.
Justin
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