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Rad Sponge:
Yeah, I think this discussion has reached the point of diminishing returns. I don't think calculating Tri and Di adds had anything to do with the Hartford.
rumrunner:
--- Quote from: Jason-YP on Mar 18, 2008, 02:50 ---I don't think calculating Tri and Di adds had anything to do with the Hartford.
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Thanks for the reality check and getting things back in perspective. The Hartford appears to be a case where the chilling effect of one officer's command style destroyed the morale of a ship that was in Battle E glory less than two years earlier. And in the wake of this, many careers lie in ruins - both enlisted and officer. Unfortunately, as is often the case, those most accountable and responsible for the calamity will be allowed to quietly retire, while the junior people face the prospect of finishing their active duty obligations as de-nuked pariahs.
But allow me one more story to show how crazy some orders can be! On the Texas in 1981 (CGN-39), we had a significant loss-of-feedwater casualty one night in the middle of the Atlantic. Lost all feedpumps in #1 plant while running a flank bell. The throttleman froze and didn't do what he needed to do fast enough. Two of the three generators were so far out of sight low that we figured they were close to being dry. We had bad hideout anyway, and now I come down to relieve the watch and find a scrammed plant and secondary chemistry is unknown. Now comes our brilliant Chief Engineer, who orders me to add chemicals to make the generators - and I quote - "10.75 and 280". Not 10.8, or 10.9, or even 11.0, but 10.75. Of course I had no samples to base an add on, and my experience told me that adding anything was going in the wrong direction. Thankfully he stormed off to micro-manage someone else, and I headed to EOS where my shift's EOOW had just taken over. Thankfully he was a full Lt. who had an abundance of common sense - we all loved standing watch with him because he treated us like human beings. I told him what the Engineer told me and he laughed, called the Engineer an idiot, and told me he'd kick my butt if I even reached for the blue and brown cans. We then returned generator level to normal and I was able to get samples - which were bad high. We had to do several blowdowns to get things back in shape, and we went a good while before having to do another add. The good thing about this episode was that the hideout problem in those generators went away. I guess the shock to the system had a beneficial effect.
Marlin:
--- Quote from: Jason-YP on Mar 18, 2008, 02:50 ---Yeah, I think this discussion has reached the point of diminishing returns. I don't think calculating Tri and Di adds had anything to do with the Hartford.
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The Hampton, try and keep up.
Some horses aren't declared dead until the flesh has been flogged from the bones. :) It is hard to be off topic when the thread essentially starts with "check this out".
Ranger88:
Beercourt,
--- Quote ---Integrity didn't even come into play. We did what we knew to keep the plant in shape and the numbers in spec - sometimes despite the guidance we got from the khaki-klad-klub.
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Integrity didn't come into play because you didn't have any.
I'm sure you talked/talk a good game to yourself but never have/had the guts/integrity/trust/reputation required for your chain of command to have listened to your recommendations or reasoning. Instead of doing the hard thing like making recommended changes and seeing them through you played the lone ranger.
I am sure your overall effect on the nuclear navy and those you have worked with has been much more negative than positive.
As far as disrespect to the JO's, that's an easy game, especially when you aren't man enough to speak your mind. Showing them respect, training them, working with them is much harder and takes a man not a boy. I am amazed since you were so smart they didn't just promote you to a NAVSEA 08 position. Oh, that's right you were enlisted like the rest of us because your weren't smart/motivated enough to get/finish a degree or get a commission as an LDO based on merit.
You sure spend allot of time on this forum, either: a) you have a computer at the RCA were you are running the frisker or b) you are so smart and have done so well since the Navy that you retired as a millionaire and like to spend time on the computer lending your expert opinion.
Your nickname wasn't "Spaz" was it? You remind me of the ELT that added to the wrong SG.
I guess I would trust you running a frisker, as long as I could see the readout too.
LOL
Fermi2:
--- Quote from: Ranger88 on Mar 19, 2008, 02:45 ---Beercourt,
Integrity didn't come into play because you didn't have any.
I'm sure you talked/talk a good game to yourself but never have/had the guts/integrity/trust/reputation required for your chain of command to have listened to your recommendations or reasoning. Instead of doing the hard thing like making recommended changes and seeing them through you played the lone ranger.
I am sure your overall effect on the nuclear navy and those you have worked with has been much more negative than positive.
As far as disrespect to the JO's, that's an easy game, especially when you aren't man enough to speak your mind. Showing them respect, training them, working with them is much harder and takes a man not a boy. I am amazed since you were so smart they didn't just promote you to a NAVSEA 08 position. Oh, that's right you were enlisted like the rest of us because your weren't smart/motivated enough to get/finish a degree or get a commission as an LDO based on merit.
You sure spend allot of time on this forum, either: a) you have a computer at the RCA were you are running the frisker or b) you are so smart and have done so well since the Navy that you retired as a millionaire and like to spend time on the computer lending your expert opinion.
Your nickname wasn't "Spaz" was it? You remind me of the ELT that added to the wrong SG.
I guess I would trust you running a frisker, as long as I could see the readout too.
LOL
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Grow up child.
Mike
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