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Re: Bartlett
« Reply #475 on: Dec 14, 2006, 04:23 »
hay!  lotsa times yinz go two da local bar to recruit 'n ya finds yer experienced union labor their.  now whatcha supposed to do, go to the corner 'n ask fer green cards?

Green Card? Sure thing, how many do ya want to see...?  http://cbs4denver.com/business/local_story_347183651.html   

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« Reply #476 on: Dec 14, 2006, 08:14 »
well i didn't mean to start anything i was just seeing what others thought.sorry if i got anyone upset here .

You were playing to a tough crowd. Most of people here are non-union and those who have been around for a while may remember the lack of support from the ComEd unions when the road techs tried to organize (both sides were IBEW). There are good and bad unions, I have worked plants where it was a few weeks or so before I knew they were union, at ComEd it hit you in the face at the door. ComEd unions do not fall into what many here would call a good union except for those in it.

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« Reply #477 on: Dec 14, 2006, 04:49 »
well i didn't mean to start anything i was just seeing what others thought.sorry if i got anyone upset here .

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Re: Bartlett
« Reply #478 on: Dec 14, 2006, 10:20 »
You were playing to a tough crowd. Most of people here are non-union and those who have been around for a while may remember the lack of support from the ComEd unions when the road techs tried to organize (both sides were IBEW). There are good and bad unions, I have worked plants where it was a few weeks or so before I knew they were union, at ComEd it hit you in the face at the door. ComEd unions do not fall into what many here would call a good union except for those in it.

If I could do your Karma thang here...I would (I'll do it elsewhere :).  We seem to forget sometimes...where we came from, who've we've been and where and how we got started not to mention our own issues we are dealing with and have we've dealt with.  Let us never forget.  Change is always scary.

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P.S.  No, I'm not pro-union..."been there, done that".  Consider me "aware" amd respectful of others feelings and opinions.  AND YES...I believe the owner of this post got started off on the wrong foot with his presentation.

again...PEACE to all.

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« Reply #479 on: Dec 16, 2006, 10:46 »
Well said, brother.
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« Reply #480 on: Dec 16, 2006, 10:29 »
....I worked COMED in the 90's with Dave Warren....you have to classify what union shop you are talking about...the HPand labor union hate contrat HP's...but I worked with the welders, fitters, millwrights and electricians..on NIGHT shift, and after the getting to know the crew brief was over...I got along with them very well..Dresden HP's were the worst, until Harry Bush, Mike Overstreet and Rick Conklin became house and we had some friends on the inside...I have worked alot of union plants, worked a strike job at Farley and I have found if you play by the rules, whatever they are,(however you still must enforce procedural compliance).. and dont act like a jerk, treat a man or woman like you would want to be treated, respect their union(because you are at their house and thats the way it is) then you usually dont have problems,,,there are always exceptions,,,and that strike outage I worked at Farley..I respected their union, I was management, and was locked inside..I live in a non-union state, never worked a union plant until I worked with Dave, but he advised me how to get along and make a lotta $$$ at COMED, because they were always in outage..and that we did..when we worked COMED Brooks ran the show,,and the deconners were UNION..most local,,and we got along with them better than we did with the house HP's ..I havent worked in Illinois, or as an HP in many years,,and may be off track here,,,,but its just my opinion....if you dont agree with the union at Excelon, then stay at home,,or go somewhere else...what about it Spanky?...........red

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Re: Bartlett
« Reply #481 on: Dec 18, 2006, 08:22 »
....I worked COMED in the 90's with Dave Warren....

What up, Dog? Happy Holidays to you and yours!!

Red hit it right on the head. You can get along with the "Contractor" Union guys, because they were road whores, like we all were. The "House" Union guys would rather walk by you than say "good morning" to you. This would come from their fear that we were gonna try and steal their job, or stay long-term and infiltrate their ranks and become friends with some of their other union buddies. So, like Red said, we did unto others as we would have them do unto us. In turn, we made alot of money, got to stay later than the other contract HP's, and actually did forge relationships with some of them. We didn't live to work, we worked to live. Did we sell out? No, we acted like human beings to everyone, and people saw that we didn't let all that drama get in the way of us doing our job. Eventually, people will treat you as a person, instead of a carnie. When you let someone else's feelings and emotions dictate the way you act, then you are doing exactly what they want you to do.

I communicated this to Red, and he did the right thing. He was one of the HP's that the crew's requested, because they knew that he was there to do a job, and not start a controversy, because someone had called him a scab or similar. He just smiled and said "Hey, I'm getting paid. Call me what you wanna call me".

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« Reply #482 on: Dec 18, 2006, 08:54 »
Dave, Red ...Illinois was home and I worked all of the ComEd (Exelon) plants (except Dresden) many times so I could be home on weekends. The union there at its core is very protectionist. I experienced the same circumstances that you did, I was one of the few at Quad that covered house maintenance in the 80's as a contractor. This does not change the nature of the union itself, even if there are good and bad people in it. In thier defense they did not excatly get the pick of the litter for contractors due to pay scale and bad reputation, you did have to prove yourself, that being said, contractors were not permitted to use the bathrooms, breakrooms, or cafeteria. Verbal abuse and even damage to contractors cars did happen. That is difficult to defend based on preferential treatment to a few people.

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« Reply #483 on: Dec 18, 2006, 09:06 »
Marlin, by no means was I justifying the actions of the Union intimidation tactics. We did what we had to do to survive.

There is no excuse for verbal bashing and messing with people's property, when everyone is working toward the same goal.

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« Reply #484 on: Dec 18, 2006, 09:16 »
I'm looking, we miss our "Cruise Director".

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« Reply #485 on: Dec 18, 2006, 06:24 »
...Preciate the insider info.."Brother Dave"...you got my vote for Mayor, Governor, and union steward,,,whoa,,uh-oh...nah ...Marlin you are right also.....it all goes back to a saying,,,"When in South Carolina, do as the rednecks do"......no sorry,,,WHEN IN ROME DO AS THE ROMANS DO.....we did make alot of money, for along time...went from tech to supervisor to ALARA  to Circle Bar W in a couple weeks....havent worked that circuit in a long time..well not in Illinois anyway....Hope you all have a Great Christmas..and if I offended any of you over the last year,,,,CAN A BROTHER GET A LITTLE FORGIVENESS, here at NUKEWORKER.COM?...............red

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Re: Bartlett
« Reply #486 on: Dec 21, 2006, 04:45 »
One day, maybe, the rp techs will make as much as the lbs. Then we can post on here to complain about someone else taking our jobs!

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« Reply #487 on: Dec 21, 2006, 05:19 »
Dave, Red ...Illinois was home and I worked all of the ComEd (Exelon) plants (except Dresden) many times so I could be home on weekends. The union there at its core is very protectionist. I experienced the same circumstances that you did, I was one of the few at Quad that covered house maintenance in the 80's as a contractor. This does not change the nature of the union itself, even if there are good and bad people in it. In thier defense they did not excatly get the pick of the litter for contractors due to pay scale and bad reputation, you did have to prove yourself, that being said, contractors were not permitted to use the bathrooms, breakrooms, or cafeteria. Verbal abuse and even damage to contractors cars did happen. That is difficult to defend based on preferential treatment to a few people.

F-that..their attitude makes them all s***heads..& f-"proving" something to a bunch of yellow-hammers!
They get no defense! & they should get treated like S*** if they ever go on the road!

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« Reply #488 on: Dec 21, 2006, 09:12 »
F-that..their attitude makes them all s***heads..& f-"proving" something to a bunch of yellow-hammers!
They get no defense! & they should get treated like S*** if they ever go on the road!
 
                                >:( I'll have to agree with you on that....

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« Reply #489 on: Dec 22, 2006, 04:19 »
21 years in decon and not worth my time + 18 months jr HP time thrown in there, I chose to walk away from the job, I'am sure not many lbs make what I make now,, and hey I'am not not a HP or RP.. oh well there loss..

Amen Red, they lost a good chance at a good one, because they decided to be pr**ks,, hey if they never want to learn they never will...

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Re: Bartlett
« Reply #490 on: Dec 22, 2006, 09:05 »
 
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« Reply #491 on: Dec 27, 2006, 07:25 »
i'm especially fond of the concept of "taking our work" when for the most part "their work" gets done in a slow and half-a**ed manner. the work belongs to the people paying the bills (usually the utility) and they should hand out the jobs based on who gets it done in the most timely and highest quality manner.

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« Reply #492 on: Dec 27, 2006, 08:07 »
karma to you wayne ! obviously if the utility was happy with the quality and quantity of the work they would not have looked to another vendor. In this case it was bartlett to sullpy decon support. And as was previously stated the work does not belong specifically to the workers but belongs to the site utility whom decides who will give them the best product or service at the best quality and price.

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« Reply #493 on: Jan 24, 2007, 06:17 »
I am currently employed at Dresden as a deconner and I was just wondering if anyone knew for sure what was going on with the Bartlett contract. We were told they are supposed to take over at the end of March but then told everything was a hold for some reason. I hope everything works out for Bartlett but just remember there are people who currently have those jobs who will be unemployed.

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« Reply #494 on: Jan 24, 2007, 06:54 »
I am currently employed at Dresden as a deconner and I was just wondering if anyone knew for sure what was going on with the Bartlett contract. We were told they are supposed to take over at the end of March but then told everything was a hold for some reason. I hope everything works out for Bartlett but just remember there are people who currently have those jobs who will be unemployed.

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« Reply #495 on: Jan 26, 2007, 09:50 »
Hey all - this will be a Union gig - as soon as I have all the facts I will post them, hopefully that will be in the next 2 weeks - have fun creating your conspiracy theories until then. 

Eric Bartlett

So has bartlett came up with anything yet i was told it was shot down is that true or what

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« Reply #496 on: Jan 26, 2007, 10:25 »
so did barlett get the contract for the nukes in il. becaue i heared it was shot down in dec you said you would let us know.


Yes we did get the contract - its all being tweaked - i'm not involved with negotiations or proposals, i just staff and truthfully i try not to pay attention to things like this until i'm given a staffing request...I'll put some feelers out and see what i can find out for you.

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« Reply #497 on: Feb 28, 2007, 09:03 »
I am soooo upset right now!!  My husband has worked for Barlett for 10 yrs or more, and his father before him, for who knows how many years, and now he's being treated like some Joe-Blow off the streets.  I totally understand the act of doing business, but this just isn't right.

In December, my husband put in for Comanche Peak.  He was ultimately told that since he hasn't been there for a couple of outages, that he would be put in as a non-returnee.  Jim contacted the site coordinator and left a message with him, wanting to know if he had received his resume yet and to let him know that he was interested in returning.  After not hearing from the S.C., he contacted the office and was told that C.P. was staffed.  Ok, so, what's he to do then? Sit on his thumbs and wait for the phone to ring? No, he went to another company who had positions opened at plants that he had been to when Bartlett had their contracts.  He confirmed for 2 plants.  Not 10 minutes after confirming, Bartlett called him saying that the S.C. wanted him at C.P., but Jim had to decline because he had already confirmed with the other company.

So, now Jim has requested to be put in for Palo Verde.  When he called Barlett, he was told that PV was staffed.  A couple of days later, he found out that there are actually 4-14 positions still available.  So, he called back and spoke to someone else and was told that those positions were being held for people that are working FOR Bartlett...and asked him if he wanted to go to a couple of other sites that Bartlett holds the contract for, then he would be pretty much guarenteed a spot...but unless he breaks his commitment to the current company, he will not be guaranteed a spot.  Give me a break!!

Jim spoke with Eric yesterday and Eric says he'll investigate the situation.  I sure hope he does because, in my opinion, this is rediculous.  Jim has made his fair share of money for Barlett and I just feel he's being treated like trash.  The ONLY thing Jim has is his WORD!!!  One thing that he will NOT break.  When he confirms, he DOES NOT break his word.  You would think that this would be commended in this industry, but no......

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« Reply #498 on: Feb 28, 2007, 12:43 »
I am soooo upset right now!!  My husband has worked for Barlett for 10 yrs or more, and his father before him, for who knows how many years, and now he's being treated like some Joe-Blow off the streets.  I totally understand the act of doing business, but this just isn't right.

In December, my husband put in for Comanche Peak.  He was ultimately told that since he hasn't been there for a couple of outages, that he would be put in as a non-returnee.  Jim contacted the site coordinator and left a message with him, wanting to know if he had received his resume yet and to let him know that he was interested in returning.  After not hearing from the S.C., he contacted the office and was told that C.P. was staffed.  Ok, so, what's he to do then? Sit on his thumbs and wait for the phone to ring? No, he went to another company who had positions opened at plants that he had been to when Bartlett had their contracts.  He confirmed for 2 plants.  Not 10 minutes after confirming, Bartlett called him saying that the S.C. wanted him at C.P., but Jim had to decline because he had already confirmed with the other company.

So, now Jim has requested to be put in for Palo Verde.  When he called Barlett, he was told that PV was staffed.  A couple of days later, he found out that there are actually 4-14 positions still available.  So, he called back and spoke to someone else and was told that those positions were being held for people that are working FOR Bartlett...and asked him if he wanted to go to a couple of other sites that Bartlett holds the contract for, then he would be pretty much guarenteed a spot...but unless he breaks his commitment to the current company, he will not be guaranteed a spot.  Give me a break!!

Jim spoke with Eric yesterday and Eric says he'll investigate the situation.  I sure hope he does because, in my opinion, this is rediculous.  Jim has made his fair share of money for Barlett and I just feel he's being treated like trash.  The ONLY thing Jim has is his WORD!!!  One thing that he will NOT break.  When he confirms, he DOES NOT break his word.  You would think that this would be commended in this industry, but no......

Lorrie A. Henson

Yes, Jim did speak to me about this situation that concerned himself and Bartlett and I tried to explain what I think may have happened to him and told him that I would look into it further.  So imagine my surprise to find this posting less than half a day later.  Now that you've taken this from a matter between Jim and a recruiter and made it part of the public forum to be tried, judged and sentenced by the masses I feel that I should reply solely via the public forum so that not only you and Jim get an answer but that I can also now try to clarify what happened to everyone else that you’ve tried to rally with your insinuations.   

These are the facts as presented to me by Jim on 2/27 (with some minor clarification from a couple of recruiters)

Fact 1 he put in for Comanche
Fact 2 Comanche initially staffed up w/out him (only 64 total slots for SHP and a few hundred applicants)
Fact 3 not getting the first choice he went and took other work – it just happened that    Brand X could get him to work earlier than we could
Fact 4 a slot came open at Comanche and he was offered the slot
Fact 5 slot was turned down due to prior commitment w/Brand X- admirable
Fact 6 asked for Palo Verde
Fact 7 told Palo was staffed

                                       This is where elaboration comes in – this is where I may become long winded so please bear with me. Palo, as many are aware is for all intents and purposes a prime job - happening at the end of the season when most people are getting laid off.  A few months ago we, Bartlett, decided that Palo should be used for helping out those techs that didn’t jump on the first thing Brand X offered and waited for a job w/Bartlett.  I understand he couldn’t wait for a job to come around w/Bartlett and that they had offered him an early start for his current outage and truthfully I think its admirable that he stayed true to his word when so many nowadays don’t (on all sides). For that they, Brand X, should be rewarding him with a late season job, just as Bartlett is using Palo to try and reward as many as we can that stuck by their word and showed up to do a whopping 1 outage this season with us. 

Now as far as originally being told Palo was staffed, I think I know the reason he was told this.  To understand this you would have to be aware of how we operate in the recruiting dept.  Each day a report is circulated listing what has been requested and what has been filled on those requests, standard recruiting protocol.  If we have a site that for all intents and purposes is staffed, due to that we have placed slots on hold for select individuals that have helped us or need additional work other than the one 3 week outage they were signed up for, we list it as being staffed here in the office so that anyone taking calls and requests wont be offering it as a choice – YES we have open slots, BUT they are on hold for select individuals, so for all intents and purposes it is staffed if you are not one of those individuals, especially if it happens to be a prime job and you happen to be coming off a job w/another company and not us.  Its only sound business practice, hat by the way is not a new practice.  We’ve been operating that way since long before I started here back in ’89.  After all how would you like it if you committed to Bartlett to work “Plant A” staffing around 3/25, shutdown around 4/1 for approx 3 weeks with the understanding that if we can get you to Palo we will.  Then out of the blue we decide to hire someone coming off of, oh say Duane Arnold and Monticello w/Brand X for that spot at Palo instead of you, who now only gets 3-4 weeks of work because we decided to forgo any type of loyalty to our workers. 

I more than understand yours, his, frustration with being told it was staffed when in reality it wasn’t – but for all intents and purposes when it comes to someone in your situation, coming off a non-Bartlett job, IT IS STAFFED.  It’s only proper business sense to keep our current workforce working as long as possible so that they can make as much money as possible, we can bill as long as possible for them and to keep them off of the unemployment rolls.  If Brand X sold you on a job at the beginning and middle of the season you should be asking them “what are they going to do for you at the end of the season” just like we get hammered here in this office with that very same question under the very same circumstances.  I am sorry if you feel you’ve been wronged – you aren’t the first and truthfully you won’t be the last.   No matter what we do there will always be someone out there that will think that they got the %$#& end of the stick.

Now let’s get back to the sequence of events…

Fact 8 called back to check on Palo and was told there were slots (heard via word of    mouth from other techs that there were open slots) and was told slots on hold as    per my long winded dissertation above
Fact 9    was told that we could possibly place him at Palo if he was willing to help us out    where we needed him right now, if not then we would need that spot to give to    someone who could and would help us out right now -  unlike your claim that we    would put him there as long as he breaks his commitment to Brand X – it’s not    about getting into Palo by hurting Brand X, they don’t seem to need any help in    that arena, it was about getting into Palo by helping Bartlett.  2 separate items that    happen to go hand in hand.
Fact 10 did the admirable thing and stayed true to his word to Brad X to fulfill his    commitment to them – don’t get me wrong I’m not being sarcastic about him    keeping his word, it is admirable when so many don’t

Q:    Are there times that we place people on “prime” jobs that are coming off a job    w/another company? 
A:   Yes, few and far between, but yes.
Q:   Why then and not now?
A:   It primarily happens when forced by a client or upper level mgt to do so

Now after all of that I would like to say that Jim is a desirable tech to have working for us.  He does a good job, is polite, professional and dependable.  Do I want him back with Bartlett? Damned straight I do.  Do I have other good, polite, professional, dependable workers that need to work Palo? Yes I do.  Who am I going to try and put there first?  The techs coming off of our sites will be placed first.  Would I hire Jim or someone else coming off of a job with another vendor to fill a “prime” slot?  Yes, if I ran out of techs coming off of our jobs.  Will I try and take care of Jim in the future? Yes, as best I can.  I can’t promise jobs, all I can promise is to try and treat everyone fairly and to do my best to take care of those that are currently taking care of Bartlett.  If you are currently taking care of/helping/working for another vendor, that vendor should be doing everything they can to take care of you.  Next season is a whole new season that will have techs, that are not working for us this season, working for us that we will try and take care of and there will be a techs that did help us this season that will go to Brand X next, that I wont be able to take care of because of I’ll be trying to take care of the ones that will be helping us next season.  Well there’s my lengthy reply to a lengthy post.  Believe me or not, take it or leave it.  It happens to be the way it is.  I am sorry we can’t please all of the people all of the time, maybe in the future…. 

You stated that you thought that all of this was ridiculous – in a way your right. It is absolutely ridiculous that I should have to spend a good chunk of my morning answering accusations and questions, that have already been answered privately, on a public forum, but alas you left me no choice.  Whether or not my reply affects your feelings towards or desire to work for Bartlett, I don’t know.  I will tell you this though, if and when you guys give us a call, we will do our best to take care of you down the line, just like I, we, have always tried to do in the past.

Eric Bartlett



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Re: Bartlett
« Reply #499 on: Feb 28, 2007, 01:14 »
I know nothing at all about the described situation except what I have read here, but I have to say that Eric has once again given one of the best and most reasonable replies that anyone could expect... and then some. The simple matter that Bartlett employs people and cannot give everyone exactly what they want all the time means that some people are not going to be happy. It is a shame that it works that way, but there is nothing anyone can do about it. Not many employers would take the time or make the effort that Eric has often taken to try to make people understand how his end of the business works. I for one appreciate it.

Karma to you Eric for taking the time and making it make sense.
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