Non Judicial Punishment

[ddklbl]

I just through up in my mouth. Thanks. 

Justin

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[JustinHEMI05]

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Oops! Fixed! Thanks for the backup.

Justin

[vikingfan]

you can still have a successful nuclear career even with NJP or a court martial on your record ! heck there lots of us in that situation ! " take me to the brig " !! I want to go see the real marines. " Chesty Puller "

[theldron]

3.0 on the new 5.0 scale is not exactly stellar. Even in the 4.0 days of old, evals at 3.6 or below multiplied by near-aceing the rating exam didn't get advanced.

As far as the tough love here, it isn't nearly as harsh as the judgements, right or wrong, that the senior enlisted will form seeing the bad apple with a recent bust.

The best advice IMHO was Loffy Muffin's. Hard work and humility will be the only remedy. Never admitting fault, and telling people how swell you are, will only confirm their notion that you are not destined for success.

Can only get above a 3.0 if you have some kind of extra duty. And its pretty good for having been masted only 2 months before that. As for humility and the like, I'm not telling you how swell I am or were merely defending the fact that I'm not a sh*tbag.

[Loffy Muffin]

By humility, that doesn't mean you to be walter mitty, it just means that you will have to practice low risk behavior until you get your quals.  You will not survive another mast.  The best part of the Navy is having people similar to you to go out with and have a little fun.  The problem with going out and raging is things can happen out of your control that might get you put in harm way. 

So, unfortunately, you might have to pass on hitting the bars and road trips or at least make sure you drive yourself so if things start to get out of control you can eject.  A big part of the Navy experience is the friendships you will develop during the training phase and you might miss out on some of this if you want to reduce the risk of another incident.  Sorry. 

[matthew7899]

Have you taken G-regs advice?  From what I've read, he is the only one that really answered your question.

Go to the CCC and look at the instructions yourself.

It seems as though you've figured most of this out, but here are a few examples to go by.....

Not sure what you're rate is, but there is a certain Master Chief that is at A school that went to Mast when he was in A school (he was a CL and tried to cover for a shipmate), long story short....learned from his mistakes and was successful.

I got to my sub out of prototype and we got a SPU about 6 months after that, he was coming to us as an E-4 (should have been an E-5), turns out he was Masted for blazing off signatures....came to the boat and HIT the books, qualified like a mad man and the CO suspended the bust....got back E-5 and his TIR!!  He took the E-6 exam and made it.  Only person that I have heard of to be an E-4, E-5 and E-6 all in one year.

There is life after Mast, some of the BEST nukes are those that have went to Mast (they have a better understanding for the pride in their work a little more).

Good luck, sounds like you will be fine.

Matt

[Mnemorath]

What about if they de-nuke you and pull clearance at a NJP? Thats the threat I am currently under for being UA to a BCA for a mock PRT. My Senior Chief has been ridding my ass about being to fat and having 2 BCA failures under my belt with a third threatening.

[JustinHEMI05]

What about if they de-nuke you and pull clearance at a NJP? Thats the threat I am currently under for being UA to a BCA for a mock PRT. My Senior Chief has been ridding my ass about being to fat and having 2 BCA failures under my belt with a third threatening.

The commercial world doesn't care if you are fat, unless you can't pass your physical. What does your clearance have anything to with being fat, except that it will be pulled as soon as you don't need it? Thats normal, and won't have any affect on anything on the outside. Just don't lie about it.

Justin

[taterhead]

I am not sure that the command can pull a clearance...they don't grant them in the first place.  That part doesn't make sense.

In fact, they can't actually denuke you; they have to recommend that you be denuked to the ECM in Washington, who then decides whether or not to pull the NEC.  That said, they can take your TLD and place you anywhere on the ship they want doing whatever non-nuke work they want.  The NEC part comes through DC, though, and comes with a rate conversion.

[JustinHEMI05]

I am not sure that the command can pull a clearance...they don't grant them in the first place.  That part doesn't make sense.

In fact, they can't actually denuke you; they have to recommend that you be denuked to the ECM in Washington, who then decides whether or not to pull the NEC.  That said, they can take your TLD and place you anywhere on the ship they want doing whatever non-nuke work they want.  The NEC part comes through DC, though, and comes with a rate conversion.

He is right. Sounds like your CMC is talking out his ass. You can't be de nuked for being fat, but you can be de-navied for being fat. Point is, it won't have any affect on the outside (at least it shouldn't).

Justin

[culturekrazy]

My son was an EM2 aboard a submarine.  He received a non-judicial punishment in November.  He was reduced in rank, his pay was taken, and then his commander set him off the ship in San Diego.  He was dead only 2 days after the incident.  My question: Is it common practice to set a sailor off the sub when their entire group was to be back in their regular harbor in less than a week?  He did not do anything violent; his Master Cheif was his advocate on board ship and totally disagreed with the punishment.  I don't even care if he deserved the pay rate and rank deduction (his life).  I am mostly concerned with his commander setting him off the ship to make his way back up the coast to his duty station. 
What do you guys think?
Thank you in advance for reading my momma nosey message.

[thenukeman]

I disagreed with A punishment My Colonel gave a E-4, 45 days Restriction  45 days extra duty, 2/3 his pay for 2 months and reduction to E-2.  But basically a field grade officer is God, and unless you can disprove what you are being accused of, you basically have to take the punishment or go to court marshall which is usually a lot worse if they can prove you did something.  Throwing someone off the Sub is also the Commanders discretion.  I am now older and can now see that you have to make examples of people who disobey the rules. I think now I would have agreed with my Colonel.   The chief probably should have asked if the Seaman could make it back to base on his own.  I lent my Specialist about 100 bucks, but since he had a family I never saw that money back. 

[Already Gone]

My son was an EM2 aboard a submarine.  He received a non-judicial punishment in November.  He was reduced in rank, his pay was taken, and then his commander set him off the ship in San Diego.  He was dead only 2 days after the incident.  My question: Is it common practice to set a sailor off the sub when their entire group was to be back in their regular harbor in less than a week?  He did not do anything violent; his Master Cheif was his advocate on board ship and totally disagreed with the punishment.  I don't even care if he deserved the pay rate and rank deduction (his life).  I am mostly concerned with his commander setting him off the ship to make his way back up the coast to his duty station. 
What do you guys think?
Thank you in advance for reading my momma nosey message.

For the morale of the crew and sometimes for the good of the sailor himself, they are usually removed immediately.  I have seen them flown home from Europe and even transferred off the ship while it is at sea (not easy on a sub, but it is done).

I am sorry for your loss, and grateful for your son's service.  I wish that the circumstances of his passing were different, but that doesn't change the fact that he was your son and you have every right to be proud of him.