Any experiences with the Navy finding out about un-disclosed criminal records?

[gman82]

Has any one had experience with not disclosing any type of criminal record that the navy found out about later? Either in basic training, A school, nuke school, the fleet? Please be honest, PM me if you have to.

[taterhead]

I don't think there is anyone here who will recommend that you not disclose something, particularly if it can be located on a police record somewhere.

Your security clearance is serious business.  Regardless of how good you are, how good your schoolhouse scores are, or how many medals you have earned, a lost security clearance will mean a forced conversion to a non-clearance rate.  This is my experience, and I have seen it happen.  Even if the Feds don't find out about it right away, you have to reapply for your security clearance after 10 years in the Navy, and they will find it.

[McBride]

No, because I didn't do anything criminal, and if I did I wouldn't have been stupid enough to try and hide it...

If you lie, you deserve what comes to you...which in some cases can actually be more criminal charges.

They aren't looking for saints as much as people they can trust.  Be someone they can trust.

[rumrunner]

A primary reason for a security clearance is to see if someone is trustworthy.  Submitting a knowingly false security application is serious business and is grounds for immediate termination and banning from the further work in the commercial industry.  In the Navy it would find you standing tall at Captain's Mast as a minimum. 

And yes, I have seen examples where follow-up security checks done years later have uncovered something and that person was suddenly escorted away by security.

[JustinHEMI05]

Has any one had experience with not disclosing any type of criminal record that the navy found out about later? Either in basic training, A school, nuke school, the fleet? Please be honest, PM me if you have to.

Yes I have experience. I have experienced seeing a guy being removed from my submarine by escorts once because of something he "forgot" about. Don't do it... it will come back and F you. If not on the first go around (which it probably will) then definitely the second time around. Then, you will never get a job on the outside. It will follow you forever.

Justin

[taterhead]

Then, you will never get a job on the outside. It will follow you forever.

Justin

I think you mean to say you will never get a job requiring a clearance.

[ddklbl]

Security clearance aside, wouldn't it fall under fraudulent enlistment rules?

[JustinHEMI05]

I think you mean to say you will never get a job requiring a clearance.

Yes, thanks for the back up. Probably should have mentioned too that the folks at the commercial plants will find it on the first try, even if the Navy doesn't.

Justin

[taterhead]

Security clearance aside, wouldn't it fall under fraudulent enlistment rules?

Yes, as a matter of fact, that is the mechanism they *could* use to involuntarily discharge.  I would imagine that depending on the severity of the omission, they could keep you in and just not give you a clearance depending on how bad they wanted to make an example of you.

[rumrunner]

they could keep you in and just not give you a clearance depending on how bad they wanted to make an example of you.

Do they still do that?  I know it used to be that way, with threats of orders to the infamous oiler in the Indian Ocean for denuked pot-heads.  I never knew anyone who got those orders, but they did go to FF's and gator freighters for no doubt fun times at the hands of conventional snipes.

[taterhead]

No, now they will just send you for an IA tour in Iraq, Afghanistan, or Guantanamo.

Nukes are protected, but conventional MMs, EMs, and ETs are a dime a dozen.

eek.

[gman82]

Yes I have experience. I have experienced seeing a guy being removed from my submarine by escorts once because of something he "forgot" about. Don't do it... it will come back and F you. If not on the first go around (which it probably will) then definitely the second time around. Then, you will never get a job on the outside. It will follow you forever.

Justin

what kind of record did that guy have that was escorted off ur sub?

[JustinHEMI05]

what kind of record did that guy have that was escorted off ur sub?

I don't know. we weren't told but the rumor mill says it was assault with a deadly weapon related.

Justin

[McBride]

Let's stop pussy-footing around.  What did YOU do?  That is the subject that should be discussed.  What did YOU do, and have YOU already lied about it?

No double-speak.
No "let's suppose"
No "might have"
No "I have a friend"

If you expect the people on this board to spend their time helping you, then put it out there.  be honest...it's not like were JAG and will knock on your door tomorrow.  We don't even know who you really are.

If you want help, tell us.  What did you do?  When did you do it?  Have you already lied about it?

[Cycoticpenguin]

Has any one had experience with not disclosing any type of criminal record that the navy found out about later? Either in basic training, A school, nuke school, the fleet? Please be honest, PM me if you have to.

yes. several people in boot camp got kicked out of the navy due to that. I also know a guy who was de nuked in prototype due to some bologne he never told the navy about. unless you have a felony, you are 99% ok. Just be honest up front...

also... theres a thing in bootcamp called the moment of truth Pm me about it before you go -.-

[taterhead]

Let's stop pussy-footing around.  What did YOU do?  That is the subject that should be discussed.  What did YOU do, and have YOU already lied about it?

I would handle this by PM if I were you, gman.

[McBride]

Just to let everyone know, Gman DID answer me via PM.  He stood up like a man, and I respect that!!!

What happened occurred when he was a juvenile, and it was non-felony.

I recommended he seek legal counsel and address this ASAP.
I said that if he were already in, he needs to address it IMMEIATELY, and if not correct it before he swears in.

[justatech]

What happened occurred when he was a juvenile, and it was non-felony.
I recommended he seek legal counsel and address this ASAP.
I said that if he were already in, he needs to address it IMMEIATELY, and if not correct it before he swears in.

Kudos to you McBride. Better to take care of this prior to swearing in - however it depends on the non-felony..............

my buddies kid signed for the Marines right out of high school in the mid 90's - he had a non felony - pulled over on night - they found a roach in his ash tray and he was written up - non felony.......not much right?  So he thought - he wanted special guns/ammo and all that high dollar surveillance stuff.......because of this he could not get a security clearance - Jason is still in the Marines but this tarnished his record from the git go.  That is not to say that after 10 years he can not advance - he was 17 then and not a Marine...................now he's 27 and a mean, lean fighting machine that they have poured their training and trust into - so who knows maybe he know can get that special clearance.............

What the bottom line is - be 110% honest and work from there to build your character in the military - with a clean slate - no one to hide from.

[JustinHEMI05]

Just to let everyone know, Gman DID answer me via PM.  He stood up like a man, and I respect that!!!

What happened occurred when he was a juvenile, and it was non-felony.

I recommended he seek legal counsel and address this ASAP.
I said that if he were already in, he needs to address it IMMEIATELY, and if not correct it before he swears in.

Nicely done.

Justin

[gman82]

What the bottom line is - be 110% honest and work from there to build your character in the military - with a clean slate - no one to hide from.

Amen! I'm too much of a worry wort for this S#&T, I definitly plan to work this out somehow

[nukemdukem]

Lets just say for hypothetical reasons that if I with held 1 speeding ticket... What would happen?

[McBride]

Lets just say for hypothetical reasons that if I with held 1 speeding ticket... What would happen?

We would let BEERCOURT have his way with you.

[Marlin]

We would let BEERCOURT have his way with you.

That's capital punishment on nukeworker isn't it? 

[Fermi2]

Lets just say for hypothetical reasons that if I with held 1 speeding ticket... What would happen?

Back in 1984 when I got in I hadn't been exactly an altar boy as a civilian and they let me in. For the first couple years every time I changed commands someone would decide to interview me about taking my NEC away but nothing came of it as I had a very good service record.

The great thing was when I applied to be in Projects (ie Ivy Bells) I was getting my interview from the NIS and FBI. I figured ok here it comes. Finally I just said look guys, I did such and such when I was young, dumb and 18 do we need to discuss it? They both said Nah, you seem to have done quite well then proceeded to ask me if I had ever had sex with animals. After that point it was never mentioned. Since then I have passed a multitude of background checks in the Navy and in the Civilian world and came away good. I also make sure I disclose everything on any background check no matter how long ago.

Honesty works.

Mike

[nukemdukem]

So lets say when that moment of truth comes about in boot, what shall one do in such a hypothetical situation?