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Enlisted vs. Officer
sfrederick:
Would being a nuclear officer be better or worse experience for working in the civilian sector? Would an enlisted person with a bachelor's degree be more or less valuable?
I'd think that an officer would know less about the job than the enlisted person who is actually doing the work.
Any input?
JustinHEMI05:
--- Quote from: sfrederick on Feb 27, 2008, 05:00 ---Would being a nuclear officer be better or worse experience for working in the civilian sector? Would an enlisted person with a bachelor's degree be more or less valuable?
I'd think that an officer would know less about the job than the enlisted person who is actually doing the work.
Any input?
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Either way, you are just entry level. To put it another way, I am a degreed enlisted EOOW/EWS and I have officers starting at the same level as me. Sometimes less depending on the job. Now, I will say that is true if the officer is a JO getting out as an LT qualified engineer. If you go on with your officer career and say, do a department head tour, things might change some. But, there are folks here that just simply say NAVY = ENTRY LEVEL, and to some degree, I think they are right. But, I will submit that ADM Bowman wasn't entry level when he got out. In fact, I think he went straight to CEO of NEI. But that is not you or most people getting out. The regular full career ogangers will probably be better off too, but in the time you spent in the navy, you could have risen even furthur on the outside. To boil it all down, really, there is no difference between degreed enlisted EWS/JO getting out.
Justin
PS Right now, you can even drop the degree off of enlisted if you are talking about operations at some places.
ddklbl:
--- Quote from: JustinHEMI on Feb 27, 2008, 08:39 ---Either way, you are just entry level.
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You know, that thought process really pisses me off. I'm not picking on you Justin, and I don't think you meant any malice by it, but there are a lot of people that say that on this board with a sense of negative connotation. From an OPS perspective, everyone is entry level when they start a new job. Case in point:
Licensed PWR SRO gets hired on at another PWR.
Licensed PWR SRO gets hired on at a BWR.
Navy vet gets hired on at a PWR.
Licensed BWR guy decides to join the Navy.
Where do each of these guys start off at their new job? They all start off in "Entry Level" training. To say that someone is only entry level isn't a statement of any real significance on your part. And, regardless of what anyone says, past performance does not guarantee future results. I've seen several multiple license operators who I don't trust in their current capacity.
I'm not throwing any stones at you, Justin. Just an observation on my part that you fell victim to.
So, my contribution to the original post, which doesn't really depart from what's already been said both here and above: Unless you stay in for 20 and gain experience at executive level management it won't matter one bit.
ddklbl:
Regardless of the likelihood or the number of jokes you make, none of it makes the statement less valid.
JustinHEMI05:
--- Quote from: dd on Feb 27, 2008, 10:36 ---You know, that thought process really pisses me off. I'm not picking on you Justin, and I don't think you meant any malice by it, but there are a lot of people that say that on this board with a sense of negative connotation. From an OPS perspective, everyone is entry level when they start a new job. Case in point:
Licensed PWR SRO gets hired on at another PWR.
Licensed PWR SRO gets hired on at a BWR.
Navy vet gets hired on at a PWR.
Licensed BWR guy decides to join the Navy.
Where do each of these guys start off at their new job? They all start off in "Entry Level" training. To say that someone is only entry level isn't a statement of any real significance on your part. And, regardless of what anyone says, past performance does not guarantee future results. I've seen several multiple license operators who I don't trust in their current capacity.
I'm not throwing any stones at you, Justin. Just an observation on my part that you fell victim to.
So, my contribution to the original post, which doesn't really depart from what's already been said both here and above: Unless you stay in for 20 and gain experience at executive level management it won't matter one bit.
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I disagree in that as an entry level SRO, I have little say in my pay and benefits. When I get my license, and want to go somewhere else, I will be deciding my pay and benefits. Thats whats really meant by it. That is entry level. And I also disagree that even previously licensed individuals attending ILT are entry level. Sure, they have to go through the training again, but they will be trusted and relied upon way... WAY sooner than you or I. They will likely be looked at for more "important" jobs first, too. And, they are getting paid a lot more than me. But you're right in that its negative connotation, I will choose different words when this comes up for the 1 millionth time. :) Also, thanks for agree with me in the end.
Justin
PS I have no problems being entry level at this point in my career. I think, perhaps, more people should embrace their reality and enjoy it while they can. Because when you are no long entry level, life only seems to get more difficult/stressful.
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