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Is it good to stand out and speak up?
PapaBear765:
Same thing with this fiasco... A week or two of "integrity training" with a training stand down that had the rx s/d for a couple days... That very same week the crews are identifying discrepancies and "issues" with PMS, all of which would in their own way require the rx to be s/d, and the COC side-steps, avoids, re-interprets, gets permission, etc in order to keep the rx running. Doing exactly what they just got done training us not to do. Sickening.
I never thought that any where would compete with my previous command as worst in the navy, but they're giving it the old college effort.
Preciousblue1965:
--- Quote from: PapaBear765 (3363) on Apr 23, 2008, 08:30 ---Same thing with this fiasco... A week or two of "integrity training" with a training stand down that had the rx s/d for a couple days... That very same week the crews are identifying discrepancies and "issues" with PMS, all of which would in their own way require the rx to be s/d, and the COC side-steps, avoids, re-interprets, gets permission, etc in order to keep the rx running. Doing exactly what they just got done training us not to do. Sickening.
I never thought that any where would compete with my previous command as worst in the navy, but they're giving it the old college effort.
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Typical protosuck operating procedure. I busted my knee up pretty good and got sent to 7 week....TWICE in a row. Both times I was up there, the LCPO told us to ensure the students went down to the boat and if they didn't, kick them out of checkout. So I did exactly that. So many students refused to go to the boat that I kicked everyone of them out. After the first 7 weeks, I got called into the MasterChief's office and hammered for not giving enough checkouts during the last class. He then preceded to read me two negative comments students had about me from the class critique sheet. After about an hour of him telling me how to give a checkout, he sends me on my way. I read over the REST of the critique sheet and there are at least 5 positive comments about me from students saying that even though I was tough that because I gave them the checkout they really felt they knew more about the system than if it was someone else. Of course this MCPO didn't bother to read those to me when he was chewing my Arse off. Only reason any of this came up is because the previous class failed over 50%off the Offcrew exam and many of them were dink when they went to crew. He basically told me to get sleazy, get students a lot of points, and then make sure they studied what was geared toward the test.
Sorry this was a little off topic
withroaj:
Let's stay off topic for a minute. Anyone who has been a proto-pal OR on a boat in the last couple of years knows about the negative direction of the NNPP. Makes you wonder why someone who has their act together won't take $90k (that's right, Zone A is 90,000 dollars now) just to take a shore duty. How does it go, One 'oh S***' kills a hundred 'atta boys.'
"And then we would laaaaugh and celebrate our differences."
Preciousblue1965:
--- Quote from: withroaj on Apr 23, 2008, 01:03 ---Let's stay off topic for a minute. Anyone who has been a proto-pal OR on a boat in the last couple of years knows about the negative direction of the NNPP. Makes you wonder why someone who has their act together won't take $90k (that's right, Zone A is 90,000 dollars now) just to take a shore duty. How does it go, One 'oh S***' kills a hundred 'atta boys.'
"And then we would laaaaugh and celebrate our differences."
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Well a lot of that is because it is almost impossible to go anywhere other than Protosuck. Furthermore, why would you want to go to a shore duty where your job really doesn't matter anymore. What I mean by that is, even if a student does not deserve or has the ability to be a nuke, they still get pushed through. The only thing that matters is quantity, not quality. I can honestly say that if a student deserved to fail a watch, he did. If he was broke on his board, I failed him. Even gave a 2.3 on a board, and got a stern talking to by the Civilian because "anything less than a 2.4 could discourage them, so the lowest you can give is a 2.4" I basically told the guy that 2.4 is almost up to snuff, and this kid was nowhere even close and he actually deserved much lower than that(MM thought oil flow through bearings was in series vs parrallel). Why put yourself through 3 years of hell just to watch your product get sent out regardless of its condition. It would be like working in a car shop that gave you a week to rebuild the engine, not enough people to do it with, gave you 1940s technology for tools, and sold it to your family even if it wasn't ready at the end of the week.
That is why there are so many people passing up the big money and getting out at 6
PapaBear765:
--- Quote from: Preciousblue1965 on Apr 23, 2008, 04:14 ---Well a lot of that is because it is almost impossible to go anywhere other than Protosuck. Furthermore, why would you want to go to a shore duty where your job really doesn't matter anymore. What I mean by that is, even if a student does not deserve or has the ability to be a nuke, they still get pushed through. The only thing that matters is quantity, not quality. I can honestly say that if a student deserved to fail a watch, he did. If he was broke on his board, I failed him. Even gave a 2.3 on a board, and got a stern talking to by the Civilian because "anything less than a 2.4 could discourage them, so the lowest you can give is a 2.4" I basically told the guy that 2.4 is almost up to snuff, and this kid was nowhere even close and he actually deserved much lower than that(MM thought oil flow through bearings was in series vs parrallel). Why put yourself through 3 years of hell just to watch your product get sent out regardless of its condition. It would be like working in a car shop that gave you a week to rebuild the engine, not enough people to do it with, gave you 1940s technology for tools, and sold it to your family even if it wasn't ready at the end of the week.
That is why there are so many people passing up the big money and getting out at 6
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I'm frequently amazed at how my opinion of the past changes: little changes with time, it's pretty much the same now as it always has been. Protosuck is no different now. There was this sierra hotel india tango for brains student who got her officer package accepted. My crew was told to get her qualified by a certain date so that she could ship off for her O-training; we told she was not to fail any watch. I sat her check board...it was bad. She kept from out right crying three times. Her ITR said she had broke down and cried in the cubes during checkouts on multiple occasions....she had no right qualifying, and no right being selected to be an officer.
When I was in BIT class we were told to not grade below a 2.4 because the grading criteria stops at 2.4. It actually reads "<2.4". So a lot of us interpret that as having free range to determine how much below 2.4 is deserving. We never abuse it. We almost always grade a 2.4 when the student is fail-worthy, and only reserve the 2.0's for the embarrassingly bad ones, or the ones who have a crappy attitude.
I don't think it's that hard to give a large quantity of quality checkouts. I had given about 2200 checkouts by my 6-month point...more than some guys who had been there a couple years. And none of them were sleazy. Even when a mechanic comes to me for a 1 point casualty discuss, I don't let him/her leave the cube until s/he's learned something useful and s/he understands it. It may take 45 minutes for that student to get the 1 point, but they've learned something and they got the signature, and their time wasn't wasted on me trying to show off how much I know. (Not accusing you of anything, just continuing with the topic)
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