Author Topic: Can't take the nuke test? (Read 22583 times)

inuke · « **on:** May 12, 2009, 01:50 »

Okay, this is what's up. I've taken the ASVAB, didn't study, and scored a 90, not amazing but not that bad. I was talking to my navy recruiter and he said he thinks I should try to be a nuke and I agree. I was in his office when he called down to see if I automatically qualify for the nuke program, which I didn't, but the lady said I only have to score a 50 on the nuke test to be accepted. I'm confident that I'll be able to score a 50 on the test, but this is where my problem comes in... My navy recruiter said that I can't take the test until I have signed my papers. Is this true? And if so how do I know I will be guaranteed to take it?

JustinHEMI05 · « **Reply #1 on:** May 12, 2009, 02:44 »

Lie.

Justin

HydroDave63 · « **Reply #2 on:** May 12, 2009, 03:24 »

for clarification: The recruiter is lying.

JustinHEMI05 · « **Reply #3 on:** May 12, 2009, 11:09 »

Quote from: HydroDave63 on May 12, 2009, 03:24

for clarification: The recruiter is lying.

Thanks Dave, upon re-reading, I can see where one might need clarification of my response. You nailed it.

I was following Marssim's approach to making my answer easy and to the point.

Justin

inuke · « **Reply #4 on:** May 12, 2009, 11:29 »

Thanks for the help everbody. It didn't make sense to me so I was just making sure.

JustinHEMI05 · « **Reply #5 on:** May 12, 2009, 11:39 »

Good luck and please keep us posted!

Justin

HydroDave63 · « **Reply #6 on:** May 12, 2009, 12:24 »

I wonder what the bullnuke program champion would have to say?

deltarho · « **Reply #7 on:** May 12, 2009, 05:07 »

If I were you, I would invest in a miniature hand-held fire extinguisher and walk in with it to the recruiter's office. When asked why you're carrying it around, just tell him or her, "This is to put out the fire when your pants erupt in flames, like the time when you told me I'm not eligible to take the NFQT prior to signing papers."

inuke · « **Reply #8 on:** May 15, 2009, 01:38 »

Update: I went and talked to another nearby recruiter, who happened to be a nuke, to see if I could get a little more straight forward answer. He told me that taking the test before I sign papers was a yes, and a no. He said there were only two ways to take the test:

1. I take it at meps, after my physical, and it would be graded on sight and I would find out then if I would get accepted or not.

2. The person in charge of giving the test could drive out to my recruiting station and give the test to me.

Here are the problems with both:

1. I was told that I wouldn't have to sign any papers saying that I am joining the navy up until this point, but when I asked if I could just walk out then if I didn't pass the test, he said that that wasn't an option and I would have to pick a job because he wouldn't take me there unless he knew for sure I would join the navy whether I made it into the nuke program or not and I also couldn't just walk out because I would have "wasted two days of his time." I asked my recruiter if he could find out what jobs would be available to me if I didn't make nuke so that I could have a back up plan ready. He told me that he could but it wouldn't matter because I haven't passed my physical yet so he didn't want to get my hopes up with saying I could get a certain job but then not be able to because of my physical.

2. I was told the person in charge of giving the test wouldn't drive to my recruiting station to only give one person the test because it would be a waste of his time, I would need like 5 or 6 others who wanted to take it too. I found out that the person in charge of taking the test was located only about an hour away, so I told my recruiter that I would drive out to him to take the test if he felt that it would be a waste of time to drive to me to give me the test even though it is his job. I was then told that even if I drove to him he would not administer the test to me because I haven't passed my physical yet, so it would still be a waste of his time to give it to me because there is a chance I could not pass my physical.

Side note: I'm still very confident that I would pass the nuke test without a problem. I also do not believe that my physical would be a problem either. I'm not color blind and have 20 20 vision. I'm 6'5 and 195 pounds. I work out, run, and play basketball all the time. I doubt my blood pressure would be too high. I do not know everything else that goes into the physical but I'm not too worried. Even though I'm confident that I would pass these both, I am still trying to watch out for myself, so any advice would be welcomed with open arms.

Thanks,
iNuke

Fermi2 · « **Reply #9 on:** May 15, 2009, 01:41 »

Simple, walk away.
And if I may say so, your entire story sounds suspect.

inuke · « **Reply #10 on:** May 15, 2009, 01:44 »

Sounds suspect why?

Fermi2 · « **Reply #11 on:** May 15, 2009, 01:44 »

It simply does. Too many Ifs ands and buts.

inuke · « **Reply #12 on:** May 15, 2009, 01:47 »

Oh? well it's spot on to what is happening and I was just looking for some help. Didn't think I would be called a liar about it.

Fermi2 · « **Reply #13 on:** May 15, 2009, 01:48 »

I said the story sounds suspect and full of self convincing material. I never called you a liar!

inuke · « **Reply #14 on:** May 15, 2009, 01:49 »

My bad, just took it the wrong way then.

HydroDave63 · « **Reply #15 on:** May 15, 2009, 01:51 »

Quote from: inuke on May 15, 2009, 01:47

Oh? well it's spot on to what is happening and I was just looking for some help. Didn't think I would be called a liar about it.

I think the theme here is that the recruiters are the ones lying. However, since you have been warned in this thread by people who were all successful nukes who did NOT fall for this chicanery , yet you continue to deal with these recruiters that keep giving you the KitKat "two for me, none for you" story.

Question for inuke: Are you going to tell these lying recruiters that they are out of luck, or will you put yourself in the position of the girl that went on the date at the drive-in, expecting to just see a movie? Dealing with these recruiters will have the same ending

Fermi2 · « **Reply #16 on:** May 15, 2009, 01:53 »

Thank you Dave.

inuke · « **Reply #17 on:** May 15, 2009, 01:55 »

I know what you're saying, but if being a nuke is something I really want to do, how am I supposed to go about it without dealing with recruiters?

Fermi2 · « **Reply #18 on:** May 15, 2009, 01:56 »

No law against visiting another recruiter is there?
Simple problem solving and thinking for oneself is a trait we nuke types greatly admire.

There's a 10 PM/Hr limit here!

HydroDave63 · « **Reply #19 on:** May 15, 2009, 02:12 »

or this could happen....

Fermi2 · « **Reply #20 on:** May 15, 2009, 02:15 »

LOL. Mine says I've exceeded my 10 PM per hour limit. I've been trying to answer all the job finding PMs I get. Plus exchange pleasantries with an old friend.

retired nuke · « **Reply #21 on:** May 15, 2009, 03:52 »

Quote from: HydroDave63 on May 15, 2009, 01:51

Question for inuke: Are you going to tell these lying recruiters that they are out of luck, or will you put yourself in the position of the girl that went on the date at the drive-in, expecting to just see a movie? Dealing with these recruiters will have the same ending

Now that's funny....
hmmmm, I got a drive in nearby...wonder if the wife wants to see a movie...

Motown homey · « **Reply #22 on:** May 15, 2009, 06:47 »

Quote from: HouseDad on May 15, 2009, 03:52

Now that's funny....
hmmmm, I got a drive in nearby...wonder if the wife wants to see a movie...

If she goes with you, that's probably what she wants to do - see the movie.

aydansmom · « **Reply #23 on:** May 15, 2009, 07:09 »

Quote from: inuke on May 15, 2009, 01:38

1. I was told that I wouldn't have to sign any papers saying that I am joining the navy up until this point, but when I asked if I could just walk out then if I didn't pass the test, he said that that wasn't an option and I would have to pick a job because he wouldn't take me there unless he knew for sure I would join the navy whether I made it into the nuke program or not and I also couldn't just walk out because I would have "wasted two days of his time." I asked my recruiter if he could find out what jobs would be available to me if I didn't make nuke so that I could have a back up plan ready. He told me that he could but it wouldn't matter because I haven't passed my physical yet so he didn't want to get my hopes up with saying I could get a certain job but then not be able to because of my physical.

2. I was told the person in charge of giving the test wouldn't drive to my recruiting station to only give one person the test because it would be a waste of his time, I would need like 5 or 6 others who wanted to take it too. I found out that the person in charge of taking the test was located only about an hour away, so I told my recruiter that I would drive out to him to take the test if he felt that it would be a waste of time to drive to me to give me the test even though it is his job. I was then told that even if I drove to him he would not administer the test to me because I haven't passed my physical yet, so it would still be a waste of his time to give it to me because there is a chance I could not pass my physical.

I'm new, but have insightful information. I went to meps and signed for aecf. I was given the chance to take the nuke test. The nuclear guy drove over an hour last week to just give me the test so it can be done. I passed and they switched my job without me ever having to go back to meps.

When you go to meps, you don't have to take a job. You still will have taken your physical by the time they get to job hunting. If you can't get what you want, the recruiter can take you back when the spot becomes available. I was assured that nf is always open so long as you have the scores to get in. Just make sure you take your transcripts to meps.

withroaj · « **Reply #24 on:** May 15, 2009, 07:18 »

I signed up in summer '02 so it may have changed, but I was signed up as a nuke without ever visiting MEPS or signing any sort of paperwork. Seems like some sort of tomfoolery to me.

aydansmom · « **Reply #25 on:** May 15, 2009, 07:29 »

I had to go to meps first because I hadn't taken the asvab since high school.

retired nuke · « **Reply #26 on:** May 15, 2009, 07:36 »

Quote from: Motown homey on May 15, 2009, 06:47

If she goes with you, that's probably what she wants to do - see the movie.

Ohhhh, that hurt....really hurt....

pass the popcorn....

voidwhereprohibited · « **Reply #27 on:** May 15, 2009, 07:48 »

Quote from: inuke on May 12, 2009, 01:50

OMy navy recruiter said that I can't take the test until I have signed my papers. Is this true? And if so how do I know I will be guaranteed to take it?

If you do that, they'll probably try to throw you into AECF. You can definitely take the NAPT before you sign a contract; I did earlier this year. However, I signed a contract and was assured that I could get nuke if I passed a college math course with a C or better; passed precalculus with an A and my waiver for high school grades was declined. Your recruiter is just telling you this because he/she wants to get you to sign up regardless of what rating they can get you. They will also tell you that you can be arrested for not going after you sign a contract; this is also a lie.

Signing a contract will not help you become a nuke unless it guarantees you NUC in writing. I am currently dealing with this; fortunately I have been researching other options since I decided I wanted to join the Navy.

Longhornfan · « **Reply #28 on:** May 16, 2009, 12:14 »

They just want a contract to fill the quota. Walk away....if they want you they will come looking for you with hat in hand...and I can guarantee they want you. Be in charge of your future...dont just follow blindly someone who has no stake in it besides a quota he is trying to meet.

inuke · « **Reply #29 on:** May 16, 2009, 02:08 »

thanks for the help, ill keep you posted on any changes.

HydroDave63 · « **Reply #30 on:** May 16, 2009, 02:12 »

Lookin forward to it...good luck!

inuke · « **Reply #31 on:** Jun 12, 2009, 08:15 »

i took the advice and told my recruiter that i wasnt joining unless i could take the test first. it took him about a week and half before i heard back from him saying that the guy was coming to give me the test tuesday. thanks for all the help.

HydroDave63 · « **Reply #32 on:** Jun 12, 2009, 08:25 »

Quote from: inuke on Jun 12, 2009, 08:15

i took the advice and told my recruiter that i wasnt joining unless i could take the test first. it took him about a week and half before i heard back from him saying that the guy was coming to give me the test tuesday. thanks for all the help.

! You rock!!

Tylus · « **Reply #33 on:** Jun 12, 2009, 08:58 »

Got a 90 ASVAB in the Manditory High School session

Recruiter pestered me until I agreed to take the test...and then passed the Nuc test

did this in 1 day back in 2000. Never once did I go anywhere. I had the Nuc Recruiter drive up from 4-5 hours away just to administer the test to me...nobody else.

I knew I was going to be a Nuke before I had even told my Parents I was joining up...or had signed a single document.

Your recruiter is quite simply lying.

trollarc · « **Reply #34 on:** Jul 01, 2009, 10:15 »

I remember when I joined. I took the ASVAB with the Army and that guy was blown away both by the time it took me and my score... Went to the navy who told me that i would have to take a test to be a nuke so i told them i want something else.
Suddenly my lowest score was "barely" enough that i didnt have to take a test. So I signed up and here I am, a nuclear-trained ET1(SS), waiting to get out. I hope the world is ready for me and that I am ready for the world.

inuke · « **Reply #35 on:** Jul 02, 2009, 01:43 »

took the test passed. took my physical passed. i go the ninth for a medical consult because i had surgery on my ankle if i get the okay i sign papers on the 13th. thanks everybody.

Nukegeek · « **Reply #36 on:** Jul 07, 2009, 12:38 »

That recruiter is throwing you a bunch of BS. When I went in, I was brought up to MEPS where the ASVAB and Nuke Test was given to me that afternoon then the next day I was given the physical and signed papers. I was also pre-screened as an ET. You can always back out prior to signing the papers though they will tell you that you cannot. I would think it would be a good idea if a prior service member also went with you when you see the recruiter. This way if he lies to you, you have proof. You can also call the MEPS station directly to talk with the Bull Nuke recruiter.

In addition, they also do not tell you that they (recruiters) get a bonus for every nuke they put in. This is why it seem that he is acting this way (this may not be the case, but money is a strong motivator).

tingler25 · « **Reply #37 on:** Jul 13, 2009, 01:46 »

Can you specify what this "bonus" is?

STLNuke · « **Reply #38 on:** Aug 21, 2009, 02:47 »

I don't even know where to start on this. I first want to clarify that there is absolutely no bonus or cash of any sort for a recruiter for you to join, regardless of what job you pick. I am also curious as to where are located. If you have any specific questions about what they can and can't do for you to be a nuke please feel free to ask me. I am the Nuclear Power Coordinator here in the St. Louis area and I am the one who gives the NAPT (nuke test) along with all of the other waivers and admin to get into this program. I also saw someone say they prescreened for a specific rate. That is no longer an option. Getting into the Nuclear Power Program when you join is just that. In bootcamp is where your rate is determined. There is no way to get a contract for nuke ET, EM or MM at meps.

JustinHEMI05 · « **Reply #39 on:** Aug 25, 2009, 04:44 »

Welcome aboard! Nice to have someone else with current recruiting/MEPS type info.

Justin

STLNuke · « **Reply #40 on:** Aug 26, 2009, 08:06 »

Well thank you.

greenbean · « **Reply #41 on:** Sep 11, 2009, 08:50 »

Quote from: Marssim on May 12, 2009, 07:07

there's gotta be a marketable and profitable niche here,.....

Actually I've thought of this too. What if you set up a kiosk right next to the military recruiters (they always seem to clump together) and charged a fee to give someone the actual skinny on getting into the services. You could even rank the local recruiters, in an attempt to get them to be more honest, via feedback from new enlisted/officer candidates.

Something start to finish like...
So you want to join?... then commend them on their desire to serve and go on to describe the general benefits and commitments of 8 years etc... and then go into the different services/jobs. When the person picks a pipeline give them a "flow chart" of what tests/applications/interviews to expect as well as current signing bonuses to request for.

When I was at MEPS I overheard two guys talking. Both joining the Marines, both going ground, one had a $15k signing bonus, the other got nothing! Not that its all about the money, but in an effort to help these young men and women make a more informed decision this kind of business/service could be very helpful.

Once they are lined up, forward them to the recruiters.

I'd imagine a lot of parents would actually be clients because they'd want to know what their kids are really getting into. (Especially some of these super-over-protective parents today.)

Hopefully the end result would be more honest recruiters and a successful business helping people make good decisions (ie sort of like this forum).

EasyLivin · « **Reply #42 on:** Sep 11, 2009, 08:58 »

I nominate you to stand outside of a recruiting station (of your choice) and provide prospective service members with answers to the questions that they may have. Make sure that you charge 10% of any signing bonus that they may receive, due to the fact that you helped them get a different job with a better sign on bonus.

greenbean · « **Reply #43 on:** Sep 12, 2009, 08:48 »

Thanks for the nomination, but I must decline at this time. I've got my hands quite full to tell you the truth. However, I do think it would be a valuable service.

Perhaps it is something that some of the vets can look into. Again, the main idea is to help young recruits pick the jobs that really suit their skills the best and not just have some recruiter's quota slammed down their throat.

Many young women and men want to serve, but with this day and age of information, a lot of them want to do their own research because they don't trust the recruiter to tell the whole story.

Does anyone know of online links that would be good portals for research?

I used some from about.com and military.com along with this forum and airwarriors.com ironically enough.

Better recruits, more honest recruiters, stronger military... all sound like good ideas to me.

LT Dan · « **Reply #44 on:** Sep 13, 2009, 03:22 »

Quote from: greenbean on Sep 12, 2009, 08:48

Thanks for the nomination, but I must decline at this time. I've got my hands quite full to tell you the truth. However, I do think it would be a valuable service.

Perhaps it is something that some of the vets can look into. Again, the main idea is to help young recruits pick the jobs that really suit their skills the best and not just have some recruiter's quota slammed down their throat.

Many young women and men want to serve, but with this day and age of information, a lot of them want to do their own research because they don't trust the recruiter to tell the whole story.

Does anyone know of online links that would be good portals for research?

I used some from about.com and military.com along with this forum and airwarriors.com ironically enough.

Better recruits, more honest recruiters, stronger military... all sound like good ideas to me.

Most recruiters do a good job...the few that don't give them all a bad name. Those guys have a tough job to do. You slamming on them collectively is just wrong. Someday, after you have served and actually know what it is you are talking about, you might have the right to judge those guys. As for now, you are just a guy who is clueless perpetuating a stereotype.

HydroDave63 · « **Reply #45 on:** Sep 13, 2009, 03:45 »

Quote from: greenbean on Sep 11, 2009, 08:50

When I was at MEPS I overheard two guys talking. Both joining the Marines, both going ground, one had a $15k signing bonus, the other got nothing! Not that its all about the money, but in an effort to help these young men and women make a more informed decision this kind of business/service could be very helpful.

Speaking of informed decisions....
1. Did you ask/overhear if the $0 guy scored over 50 on ASVAB?
2. Were both guys going for exact same MOS, or just "ground" ?
3. Did the $15K guy have a bunch of college credits and thus eligible for some little-known incentive program?

See how jumping to your own conclusions without all of the information needed can be detrimental?

greenbean · « **Reply #46 on:** Sep 13, 2009, 06:11 »

Wowie that didn't come across correctly.

A simple honest suggestion got me -2 karma and a lot of harrassing?

I am sure that many recruiters are doing their jobs the best they can. I have met several. At the same time, recruiting is a lot like selling. If recruiting ties itself with money bonuses for the amount of recruits you bring in, or if there is a certain quota you have to hit, then people will start to feel the pressure of "getting the recruit to sign the dotted line." Its just natural, anyone in sales has had that temptation to bend the truth to get the product/service sold.

To combat that temptation, I am simply suggesting a 3rd party source of good information that can be used to verify what the recruiter is saying. I even mentioned getting seperated vets to help bring new recruits in because they would be the most helpfull. Someone with no bonus on the line could serve as a very objective resource.

If you are a recruiter and you are doing a good job, then great. You will be able to explain the challenges and the benefits in a good way and you'll still bring in many recruits. This service would only back up your words and help you retain more of the guys going through your station.

If someone isn't an honest recruiter, then yeah, they may have trouble with this kind of service. At the end of the day though, the needs of the military will be best served by seperated vets helping get new recruits in the doors and those new recruits getting the right information.

Do you like nukeworker.com and the service it provides in giving honest answers? Then why would you have a prolem with a service built on the same concept? Nukeworker makes money serving as a connection between good companies and good workers. I'm glad nukeworker makes money because it is a helpfull service. That's the same idea behind this military recruiting service.

I appreciate Nukeworker.com and the members on here who take time to give good advice.

Btw, I did find a very good source as I looked around again last night.

http://www.military.com/Recruiting/Content/0,13898,rec_splash,,00.html

Looks like someone else liked this idea also.

greenbean · « **Reply #47 on:** Sep 13, 2009, 08:38 »

whose werd?

Author Topic: Can't take the nuke test? (Read 22583 times)

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