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« on: Jun 11, 2009, 07:57 »
Hi,

I'm in need of some advice.  I've looked through the forums and saw similar questions but none close enough.  I do apologize if this has been asked already though.

I myself am not a nuke but my husband is and I'm helping him with his job search because his command pretty much sucks and gives him no time for anything.  He is on a carrier and will be done with his 6 years in just over a year.  When is a good time to start applying for jobs?  Will he be able to get a good job without a degree?  I'm getting a little scared now that we're getting to the end of his enlistment because we don't know where we'll be.  He did not star and doesn't plan on it, so that is not an option.  Honestly, we are both fed up with the navy and cannot wait to get out of this lifestyle.  I've been through it all....his school in SC and sea duty.  What is the best advice you can give us and how is the job outlook for an ex navy nuke with no degree?


Thanks in advance!

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« Reply #1 on: Jun 11, 2009, 08:12 »
Hmmm, it doesn't hurt to look now, but a lot of places won't look at you until you are 90 days from EAOS. >1 year out is defenitely too early to apply. I would start contacting people and floating resumes around 9 months out but at 90 days, start hitting it hard. Also, a 6 and out nuke with no degree is a perfect candidate for an NLO position in ops or as a maintenance tech. That is where I would start if he is interested in commercial nuclear power. Considering he has no degree and this economy, I would focus on finding an NLO job at a commercial plant if I were him.

Good luck.

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« Reply #2 on: Jun 11, 2009, 08:21 »
Hmmm, it doesn't hurt to look now, but a lot of places won't look at you until you are 90 days from EAOS. >1 year out is defenitely too early to apply. I would start contacting people and floating resumes around 9 months out but at 90 days, start hitting it hard. Also, a 6 and out nuke with no degree is a perfect candidate for an NLO position in ops or as a maintenance tech. That is where I would start if he is interested in commercial nuclear power. Considering he has no degree and this economy, I would focus on finding an NLO job at a commercial plant if I were him.

Good luck.

Justin

Thank you Justin!   Another thing I forgot to mention is that they may deploy his ship about 3 months before his terminal leave would start.  Therefore they would fly him off before the deployment is up, but how will this affect him getting a job?  My worry is that his command is not going to let him job search while deployed.

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« Reply #3 on: Jun 11, 2009, 08:38 »
Well that can be a difficulty, for sure. He obviously needs to be able to go interview. There are people here that have had to deal with EAOS during a deployment so hopefully they will chime in. Hopefully, the command would support his needs, but he is the only one that can judge that likelyhood.

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« Reply #4 on: Jun 11, 2009, 09:00 »
Well that can be a difficulty, for sure. He obviously needs to be able to go interview. There are people here that have had to deal with EAOS during a deployment so hopefully they will chime in. Hopefully, the command would support his needs, but he is the only one that can judge that likelyhood.

Justin

See...that's what I was worried about.  Plus I know this command won't support it...they only care about trying to get him to stay in.    So basically we're screwed?   ::)    >:(

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« Reply #5 on: Jun 11, 2009, 09:04 »
See...that's what I was worried about.  Plus I know this command won't support it...they only care about trying to get him to stay in.    So basically we're screwed?   ::)    >:(
Naw, there are work arounds. Just gotta wait for the people that have had similar experiences to reply.

Good you are asking now!

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« Reply #6 on: Jun 11, 2009, 09:12 »
See...that's what I was worried about.  Plus I know this command won't support it...they only care about trying to get him to stay in.    So basically we're screwed?   ::)    >:(

No, just facing more adversity than the average bear.

Do as Justin posted. Additionally, I'd recommend that hubby (if he isn't an ELT) , try to learn as much about radiological controls practices as he can. Big Blue  has been a blessing in finding work for recent Navy graduates!
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« Reply #7 on: Jun 12, 2009, 12:40 »
There is the JOBS section of this website, which is worth submitting a resume to and keeping an eye on.  You can even subscribe to be notified of job openings as they come up.

Also, it's never too "early" to put resumes out on Monster.com, HotJobs, etc.  They are free exposure, and you never know what may just pop up there.

Has your husband been to the TAP classes yet?  TAP is tremendously useful, and the earlier he goes, the better.  (BTW, you can attend some of the classes given during TAP alongside your husband.)

The Fleet & Family Services Center on base is a phenomenal wealth of information regarding getting-out-of-the-Navy stuff, and job-hunting in particular.

I don't know what your husband's specific interests are, but Justin is spot-on with his advice about looking for an NLO position.  There's a chance that he'll take a momentary pay cut initially as an NLO, but I guarantee that his earnings will far outstrip what he's pulling in right now within 12 months.

Contractor work is an option worth considering to bide some time if you can't find an NLO opening which coincides with your husband's EAOS.  Send a resume to Bartlett Nuclear next spring; once again, it's free so you've got nothing to lose.

And even if you husband is on the opposite side of the planet, phone interviews are still viable (as long as he's willing to work through the time zone differences).  He won't be able to 100% nail down an NLO job over the phone, but he'll still be able to communicate with interviewers and HR personnel while he's out on the carrier.

Keep your chin up, and keep us posted.

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« Reply #8 on: Jun 12, 2009, 09:02 »
Oh ya thanks for the reminder G-Reg. I can't reemphasize enough, he needs to get to TAPS asap.

Justin

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« Reply #9 on: Jul 10, 2009, 04:14 »
Try South Carolina job bank www.scjoblink.org and look under Aiken county for the job search.

Good luck

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« Reply #10 on: Jul 13, 2009, 07:58 »
Your husband has several options.
He can start out in the commercial nuclear field as a contractor deconner and with time become an HP tech. Upside money is okay when working, but outages are short, travel is involved and medical insurance is expensive when he is not working.
He can go to work in a shipyard, civilian or military. They like people that are familiar with ships.

He can work as a non nuke in any utility in the US. Even at entry level he would be able to progress nicley. The utility I work at in New York City even gives tours to sailors during fleet week to get them interested in working.

Nuke jobs are not the only jobs out there, don't limit your options
 

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« Reply #11 on: Jul 13, 2009, 08:49 »
 got to
http://www.careerbuilder.com/ and put in the keyword search "shipyard" cherck out those options and then you can serach again with "plant operator" again in the keyword search.

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« Reply #12 on: Jul 13, 2009, 10:08 »
We are always looking for Nuke MMs.  IT is doing Boiler Inspections.  Drop me a PM with your info if you want to know more
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« Reply #13 on: Jul 14, 2009, 08:17 »
I'm a 6YO (six year out guy). Listen, don't let them scare you. Nukes are in high demand, regardless of degree, time in, whatever. The main point is to start early, within the realm of 5 months. Hit up the major nuclear recruiting firms like Lucas Group, Orion international, Bradley-Morris. They can really help. I can't speak for the surface fleet, but in the sub force its very common for leave/ job hunting/ house hunting/ even terminal leave to be denied, ESPECIALLY for guys who don't reenlist. The main reason is because there's really no one to replace them, which I'm sure is not a problem in the surface fleet. Companies do phone interviews, and have other ways than face to face. Remember that as a 6YO you will most likely take a pay cut the first year, its just going to happen. You will be fine. Unless you are extremely tight on your budget and in debt, you can adjust. Once you prove yourself or qualify you will make more money. Remember that his command will try scare tactics and attempt to tell him that no one survives in the civilian world and everyone lives in a cardboard box. Its just not true, the economy is not that bad. The main point is that your are starting from the bottom again and have to prove yourself. If your husband works hard, he can make the same if not more money within the first year and a half or so. And don't forget about federal jobs! The shipyard(s) pay great and offer nearly the same benefits, and I want to say have about a 90% hire rate for ex military. Plus he'd be getting paid by the hour, imagine that! With overtime!  :) Good luck and remember there are people who aren't in the military who survive! It can be done, and with your husbands experience, it will be easy! Don't give up!

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« Reply #14 on: Jul 14, 2009, 09:07 »
Trust me, no utility does phone interviews for a T Baller.

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« Reply #15 on: Jul 15, 2009, 02:51 »
I'm a 6YO (six year out guy). Listen, don't let them scare you. Nukes are in high demand, regardless of degree, time in, whatever. The main point is to start early, within the realm of 5 months. Hit up the major nuclear recruiting firms like Lucas Group, Orion international, Bradley-Morris. They can really help. I can't speak for the surface fleet, but in the sub force its very common for leave/ job hunting/ house hunting/ even terminal leave to be denied, ESPECIALLY for guys who don't reenlist. The main reason is because there's really no one to replace them, which I'm sure is not a problem in the surface fleet. Companies do phone interviews, and have other ways than face to face. Remember that as a 6YO you will most likely take a pay cut the first year, its just going to happen. You will be fine. Unless you are extremely tight on your budget and in debt, you can adjust. Once you prove yourself or qualify you will make more money. Remember that his command will try scare tactics and attempt to tell him that no one survives in the civilian world and everyone lives in a cardboard box. Its just not true, the economy is not that bad. The main point is that your are starting from the bottom again and have to prove yourself. If your husband works hard, he can make the same if not more money within the first year and a half or so. And don't forget about federal jobs! The shipyard(s) pay great and offer nearly the same benefits, and I want to say have about a 90% hire rate for ex military. Plus he'd be getting paid by the hour, imagine that! With overtime!  :) Good luck and remember there are people who aren't in the military who survive! It can be done, and with your husbands experience, it will be easy! Don't give up!

I read back through the thread and I failed to see where anyone was trying to scare him? There is a lot of good advice in this thread. Well, that was until your post came along.

Justin

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« Reply #16 on: Jul 15, 2009, 07:12 »
Justin,

I think he was inferring that the E-7+'s at his command try to scare you into staying in. I experienced this when I was doing my "checkout" card when I got out in December from prototype duty..... I told them I didn't want to watch my kid grow up 6 months at a time. They didn't argue with that.
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« Reply #17 on: Jul 15, 2009, 12:12 »
Ah, if that is the case, then I apologize.

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« Reply #18 on: Jul 17, 2009, 04:03 »
I’m honestly not trying to scare anyone into staying in the Navy but be prepared for stiff competition for jobs. The “Great Recession” as some are calling it is affecting everything even if companies are still hiring the number of applicants has increased and competition is stiff in some areas. Also take a real look at your current income and figure out what you will have to make, to have the same standard of living.

If your husband is only doing 6 and out then he probably will not be as hurt by the pay cut leaving the navy. Remember none of your pay is tax free out here and almost no company provides free health insurance anymore (say what you want about Tricare but it is free)

Also make sure you can get by on unemployment there are no garentees that he or you will find a job quickly in this market.

Like I said I’m not trying to scare you, just realize the starry eyed dreams most people have, that everything will be better out of the Navy might not be true.

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« Reply #19 on: Jul 20, 2009, 11:20 »
in spite of the "great recession" people are still using electricity and it has to be made somewhere. That is why in economic downturns people turn to utility stocks. The jobs are still there

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« Reply #20 on: Jul 22, 2009, 02:09 »
in spite of the "great recession" people are still using electricity and it has to be made somewhere. That is why in economic downturns people turn to utility stocks. The jobs are still there

Whether or not people are using electricity is beside the point. Sure that means the utilities are not laying people off left and right like manufacturing is. But the point is with unemployment numbers where they are there are more applicants for every job out there. I have ex-nuke friends who have lost their jobs in the realestate, mortgage, and automotive industry that are now looking for commercial power work.

A year ago all the guys I knew that wanted nuke jobs got them, now I know others who are struggling to even get an interview with a plant.

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« Reply #21 on: Jul 22, 2009, 01:43 »
table 2.2.  Existing Capacity by Energy Source, 2007
(Megawatts)
Energy Source    Number of Generators    Generator Nameplate Capacity    Net Summer Capacity    Net Winter Capacity
Coal[1]            1,470                    336,040                                    312,738                    314,944
Petroleum[2]    3,743                    62,394                                    56,068                    60,528
Natural Gas[3]    5,439                    449,389                                    392,876                    422,184
Other Gases[4]    105                            2,663                                    2,313                    2,292
Nuclear            104                            105,764                                    100,266                    101,765
Hydroelectric
Conventional[5]    3,992                    77,644                                    77,885                    77,369
Wind                    389                            16,596                                    16,515                    16,541
Solar Thermal
and Photovoltaic    38                            503                                            502                            422
Wood and Wood
Derived Fuels[6]    346                            7,510                                    6,704                    6,745
Geothermal        224                            3,233                                    2,214                    2,362
Other Biomass[7] 1,299                    4,834                                    4,134                    4,214
Pumped Storage    151                            20,355                                    21,886                    21,799
Other[8]            42                            866                                            788                            814
Total            17,342                    1,087,791                                     994,888                     1,031,978
Another 314 planned new generators less 211 planned retirements nets 103 additional.  Along with revisions and updates this increases the total nameplate capacity by an additional 12,000MW

EPACT2005 Tax Credits Are Expected To Stimulate Some Nuclear Builds

In the AEO2009 reference case, nuclear power capacity increases from 100.5 gigawatts in 2007 to 112.6 gigawatts in 2030, including 3.4 gigawatts of expansion at existing plants, 13.1 gigawatts of new capacity, and 4.4 gigawatts of retirements. The reference case includes a second unit in 2014 at the Watts Bar site, where construction was halted in 1988 after being partially completed. Rising costs for construction materials have greatly increased the estimated cost of new nuclear plants, which when combined with the current instability of financial markets makes new investments in nuclear power uncertain. In the reference case, some 10 new nuclear power plants are completed through 2030. The first few are eligible for the EPACT2005 PTC. Most existing nuclear units continue to operate through 2030, based on the assumption that they will apply for and receive operating license renewals. Seven units, totaling 4.4 gigawatts, are retired after 2028, when they reach the end date of their original licenses plus a 20-year renewal.

In the AEO2009 projections, nuclear capacity additions vary with assumptions about overall demand for electricity and the prices of other fuels (Figure 59). The amount of nuclear capacity added also is sensitive to assumptions about future plans and policies for limiting or reducing GHG emissions. Across the oil price and economic growth cases, nuclear capacity additions from 2007 to 2030 range from 1 to 28 gigawatts. In the low economic growth case, with falling electricity demand and rising interest rates, new nuclear plants are not economical. More new nuclear capacity is built in the high growth and high oil price cases, because overall capacity requirements are higher and/or alternatives are more expensive. 

Lots of places to work.  Widen the scope of your job search a little and you find that the energy sector is just getting bigger all the time.
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« Reply #22 on: Jul 22, 2009, 11:56 »
ex-nuke friends who have lost their jobs in the realestate, mortgage, ....  that are now looking for commercial power work.

The easiest place to find a job is in the same type of position in the same industry.  Changing type of position or changing industries makes the job search more difficult.  Finally, changing type of position and industry at the same time is the most difficult.

It is important to find your calling and go after it.  Do you enjoy maintenance? operations? travel? shiftwork?  Don't chase the job everyone else is chasing.  Choose a career that makes you and your family happy.  Do this, and a company will be glad to have you.

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« Reply #23 on: Jan 22, 2010, 03:58 »
Hey everyone,

I'm back.  I know that some of you wanted me to keep you all updated.  Hubby is now less than year from terminal leave.  We are getting excited and counting the days!   I just have this deep seated fear that they won't let him off the carrier or they will extend the contract.  He will be deployed for about 4 months til they have to fly him off the ship for terminal.  I'm so afraid this won't happen.   Anyway, we are very interested in River Bend near Baton Rouge and also TVA in Tennessee.  We also would not mind living in Montana or Colorado....but I haven't heard of any Nuke jobs there.

Thank you to all the replies I received!  We really appreciate it.  He is taking TAPS asap and will also be QA qualified this year.  Also.....he made E-5 in December without ever having to sign any papers....HA!.....imagine that!    ;D  He is also now work center soop (sorry about the spelling).

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« Reply #24 on: Jan 22, 2010, 05:39 »
Thanks for the update! +K for "soop."  :P

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« Reply #25 on: Jan 22, 2010, 09:18 »
When it gets closer to his time contact me. If I'm still in the industry I'll be glad to help!

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« Reply #26 on: Jan 22, 2010, 09:39 »
If I'm still in the industry I'll be glad to help!

Where else would you be? The Higgs boson hasn't been discovered yet, you have more work to do here!  :P


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« Reply #27 on: Jan 22, 2010, 09:51 »
When it gets closer to his time contact me. If I'm still in the industry I'll be glad to help!

We will.   ;D   Thank you!    By the way, where are you?

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« Reply #28 on: Jan 22, 2010, 10:21 »
LOL Dave, I'm working on getting out of the operations end of the industry. I'd much prefer instructing. It's the 40 hour week thing and not having to supervise people.

NukeWife. I'm with TVA.

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« Reply #29 on: Jan 23, 2010, 12:17 »
LOL Dave, I'm working on getting out of the operations end of the industry. I'd much prefer instructing. It's the 40 hour week thing and not having to supervise people.

NukeWife. I'm with TVA.

TVA?  Awesome!  We would really either like to stay in the Seattle area or live in the Knoxville or Oak Ridge, TN area....so TVA would be good.  We are both originally from Georgia...so TN is nice for us.  We really just want a stable pay (hopefully more than Navy pay), medical insurance for both of us and any future kids we may have, and a safe place that we can put down roots and not move around anymore.   So tired of moving and feeling not permanent.

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« Reply #30 on: Jan 23, 2010, 01:00 »
Well there aren't any nukes close to Seattle. If you want a nuclear career with TVA you won't be in Knoxville or Oak Ridge. Closest you'll get is Spring City (Watts Bar) . Is he qualified anything usefull? QA doesn't mean crap.

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« Reply #31 on: Jan 23, 2010, 08:19 »
Well there aren't any nukes close to Seattle.

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« Reply #32 on: Jan 24, 2010, 07:19 »
Well there aren't any nukes close to Seattle. If you want a nuclear career with TVA you won't be in Knoxville or Oak Ridge. Closest you'll get is Spring City (Watts Bar) . Is he qualified anything usefull? QA doesn't mean crap.

Mike

His qualifications are:    watch standing qualifications, PBO,  SIR, 3M301, QA301.  He is working on getting:  3M302 and 303, QA 302 303 304 and 305, and Advanced PBO.   He is set to become work center soop once he gets the other QA quals.   He has also done over 10 bravo overhauls, over 600 maintenance items in 1 year, and participated in dual media discharge evolution.   

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« Reply #33 on: Jan 25, 2010, 05:21 »
His qualifications are:    watch standing qualifications, PBO,  SIR, 3M301, QA301.  He is working on getting:  3M302 and 303, QA 302 303 304 and 305, and Advanced PBO.   He is set to become work center soop once he gets the other QA quals.   He has also done over 10 bravo overhauls, over 600 maintenance items in 1 year, and participated in dual media discharge evolution.   



Lesson 1: Speak English. No one in the real world knows what any of that means and more importantly they won't bother to ask. They'll just say Ho Hum and chunk the resume.

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« Reply #34 on: Jan 25, 2010, 11:39 »
Mike,
   She might not even know what all that means (especially so if she wasn't in the Navy with him).  I would tell the hubby to get that stuff into real world english on the resume though.

NukeWife:  Your hubby is going to learn some stuff at TAP that may not be specifically aimed towards him, but he should use it.  Alot of nukes I went to TAP with basically said "I don't need all that crap, the nuclear industry is going to be begging me for a job!".  Get on his butt and make sure YOU can understand his resume if you aren't familiar with all those acronyms.  If you already are, find someone who has no clue about them to proofread the resume.

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« Reply #35 on: Jan 25, 2010, 01:12 »
His qualifications are:    watch standing qualifications, PBO,  SIR, 3M301, QA301.  He is working on getting:  3M302 and 303, QA 302 303 304 and 305, and Advanced PBO.   He is set to become work center soop once he gets the other QA quals.   He has also done over 10 bravo overhauls, over 600 maintenance items in 1 year, and participated in dual media discharge evolution.   



Yea I am willing to bet a few quatloos that he sent her an email saying "I have done this" and she just copied and pasted a good portion of it on to here. 
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« Reply #36 on: Jan 25, 2010, 02:48 »

Perhaps his e-mail combined on-duty accomplishments with post-liberty recuperation drills,... :P

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« Reply #37 on: Jan 25, 2010, 05:19 »
I know, so I figure she'll give him some remedial training!

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« Reply #38 on: Jan 25, 2010, 06:21 »
Okay....how the heck was I supposed to know what any of these acronyms mean?!   I apologize but I've never been in the navy.  I'm just giving you what he told me his quals were and he probably figured you would know since you've been in the navy!   I really don't appreciate being made fun of either.  Do you have any idea how hard it is?  I've dealt with 5 years of the navy's BS and I'm tired!   I think I at least deserve some respect for dealing with being a nuke spouse and being supportive of him.  I'm sorry I put acronyms down....this is what he gave me.    We are under enough stress as it is...I don't need people belittling me.


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« Reply #39 on: Jan 25, 2010, 06:22 »

Perhaps his e-mail combined on-duty accomplishments with post-liberty recuperation drills,... :P

And what the hell is that supposed to mean?! >:(

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Re: Nuke MM getting out
« Reply #40 on: Jan 25, 2010, 06:33 »
A "Dual Media Discharge" refers to a maintenance item that is performed usually once every ~10 years.  It involves a lot of training, preparation, setup, and planning (the actual maintenance doesn't take very long, assuming everything goes according to plan).  They replace some very highly radioactive portions of the ship's propulsion system, making it a noteworthy accomplishment.

These guys here are joking about your husband and what he might do after spending a little too much time out drinking on liberty.  (The "dual media discharge" probably refers to the combination of vomiting and urinating that usually follows excessive drinking)

As far as the acronyms are concerned, here's a quick list:

PBO:  Not sure what this is.  He probably meant to say "PVO" which stands for "Primary Valve Operator", which is a qualification necessary to operate any valves on the primary reactor coolant system.

3M301:  The "3M" stands for "Maintenance Material Management", which is the program that the Navy uses for handling all of its scheduled maintenance.  The "301" refers to a particular qualification, in this case "Maintenance Worker", which is necessary to perform maintenance using the 3M system.

QA301: The "QA" stands for "Quality Assurance" and it's another program that the navy uses to ensure that work done on certain vital areas are done correctly, using lots of paperwork, oversight, and careful controls.  The "301" also refers to being a maintenance worker, but within the QA program.

SIR: This stands for "Senior-in-Rate" which refers to the highest qualification he can receive without being a supervisor.  For MM's it is (at least on a submarine) Engineroom Supervisor.  Don't be confused by the title.  It's Senior-in-Rate, not a supervisory position.

The various other quals (302, 303, etc) refer to progressively higher and higher levels of qualification.  I believe 302 is RPPO (Repair Parts Petty Officer) and 303 is Work Center Supervisor.
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« Reply #41 on: Jan 25, 2010, 06:34 »
Hanford loves navy nukes for HPT work. its in richland about 4 hours from seattle.

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« Reply #42 on: Jan 25, 2010, 06:40 »
Hanford loves navy nukes for HPT work. its in richland about 4 hours from seattle.

Thank you.  But we both really hate Richland.  :-\  That part of WA is like a different state.  LOL

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« Reply #43 on: Jan 25, 2010, 06:42 »
A "Dual Media Discharge" refers to a maintenance item that is performed usually once every ~5 years.  It involves a lot of training, preparation, setup, and planning (the actual maintenance doesn't take very long, assuming everything goes according to plan).  They replace some very highly radioactive portions of the ship's propulsion system, making it a noteworthy accomplishment.

These guys here are joking about your husband and what he might do after spending a little too much time out drinking on liberty.  (The "dual media discharge" probably refers to the combination of vomiting and urinating that usually follows excessive drinking)

As far as the acronyms are concerned, here's a quick list:

PBO:  Not sure what this is.  He probably meant to say "PVO" which stands for "Primary Valve Operator", which is a qualification necessary to operate any valves on the primary reactor coolant system.

3M301:  The "3M" stands for "Maintenance Material Management", which is the program that the Navy uses for handling all of its scheduled maintenance.  The "301" refers to a particular qualification, in this case "Maintenance Worker", which is necessary to perform maintenance using the 3M system.

QA301: The "QA" stands for "Quality Assurance" and it's another program that the navy uses to ensure that work done on certain vital areas are done correctly, using lots of paperwork, oversight, and careful controls.  The "301" also refers to being a maintenance worker, but within the QA program.

Thank you for helping to clarify the acronyms.   I do know that SIR  means 'senior in rate.'       

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« Reply #44 on: Jan 25, 2010, 06:50 »
Okay....how the heck was I supposed to know what any of these acronyms mean?!   I apologize but I've never been in the navy.  I'm just giving you what he told me his quals were and he probably figured you would know since you've been in the navy!   I really don't appreciate being made fun of either.  Do you have any idea how hard it is?  I've dealt with 5 years of the navy's BS and I'm tired!   I think I at least deserve some respect for dealing with being a nuke spouse and being supportive of him.  I'm sorry I put acronyms down....this is what he gave me.    We are under enough stress as it is...I don't need people belittling me.



No one belittled you, you were offered a lesson in job hunting 101. You can either accept the help or not. I don't care, the last time I checked I've already successfully negotiated the process.

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« Reply #45 on: Jan 25, 2010, 07:48 »
He may have meant BPO--certified waste management and facilities operator???

Nukewife, the quals that he now possesses are the minimum required for anyone who's been a nuke onboard a vessel for 2 years.  What I'm saying is, he doesn't stand out.  Being at his 5 year point and NOT being qualified 3M 302 (RPPO) and 303 (WCS) is not impressive.  All those other quals may help, but as posted on other threads, the extra QA quals won't mean much on the outside world (didn't even make it to my resume).  They will, however, give him a solid base of knowledge.  Being a work center supervisor will be the best training he gets while in the navy.  It takes a lot to perform that job well; the description of that job (on his resume) will cover all of the quals you've mentioned.  Fixing a few valves and being a part of a team doing a media discharge is all standard stuff (teamwork-big projects).

I'm not so sure being married correlates to deserving respect... :P

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« Reply #46 on: Jan 25, 2010, 09:32 »
Thank you.  But we both really hate Richland.  :-\  That part of WA is like a different state.  LOL

So much for the hundreds of possible openings there  ::)

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« Reply #47 on: Jan 26, 2010, 12:13 »
Nukewife....In todays economy you better be a little more thick skinned and humble...especially if you want your husband to get a job on the outside......or you may be a sailors wife for a lot longer than 5 years.

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« Reply #48 on: Jan 26, 2010, 01:23 »
Nukewife....In todays economy you better be a little more thick skinned and humble...especially if you want your husband to get a job on the outside......or you may be a sailors wife for a lot longer than 5 years.

I was just defending myself.  I think that does, indeed, make me thick skinned.  Anybody who is a nuke spouse is very thick skinned...we HAVE to be.    And I've been his wife longer than 5 years....he was not in the navy when I married him.  Even if he doesn't get a job before he get's out...he is still getting out.  This is how strong our hatred is for this lifestyle.   May sound crazy and not practical, but it's our choice.  I kinda felt like I was being attacked because I'm a woman or I'm "just a spouse."    I'm not just some spouse....I've been through it all with him and we are ready to be free.    I have an education and a career of my own...I'm not just some dumb broad he met while in the service that just loved his uniform.  ::) (I actually dislike the uniform but that is beside the point)  We've known eachother since high school.   

On another note, yes, we don't like Richland....but we wouldn't not consider it altogether.     But you have to understand....our family is in the southeast....we'd kinda like to go back.  We do love the Seattle area too, though.

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« Reply #49 on: Jan 26, 2010, 01:36 »
You say you're not thin skinned but then you assumed because someone gave you advice you did not like that they did so because you're a woman? Kindly show me where in my post I mentioned or even cared that you're a woman.
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« Reply #50 on: Jan 26, 2010, 08:02 »
Look, we all know you're on this site to try to help your husband find a good gig, and that's fine.  Please realize, though, that anybody who posts to this thread doesn't owe you or your husband a darn thing but thanks for doing six years in the service.  They post with advice and maybe crack a few jokes and it's on you to take away whatever useful info you can.  Please don't think they're not living up to some obligation.  Rather, they're going the extra mile if they even offer you anything.

That said, I've got some leads on a few things if you want to PM me.  No guarantees I'll have what you want, but I've been keeping my ear to the ground and there's still jobs to be had.

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« Reply #51 on: Jan 26, 2010, 08:45 »
Even if he doesn't get a job before he get's out...he is still getting out.  This is how strong our hatred is for this lifestyle.  
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 (I actually dislike the uniform but that is beside the point)  


Wow O_o

With all that hate for the "lifestyle" (anyone mention that nuclear jobs involve rotating shift work, long work hours or possibly both simultaneously?) and dislike for the uniform.....the following come to my mind:

1. A greater sympathy for the MM getting out, for trying to serve our country without a lot of encouragement and support for the lifestyle (don't think that hearing "I hate your job" at home doesn't wear on someone trying to do that hard job at sea)

2. You ask for nuclear opportunities, yet prop Seattle twice and slag Richland twice. The only openings in the land of emogoths and rain are PSNS and Starbucks. Both would be a waste of the sacrifices the MM made. There are 93 nuclear power plants and a few DOE sites across America you haven't yet considered.



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« Reply #52 on: Jan 26, 2010, 12:49 »
Wow O_o

With all that hate for the "lifestyle" (anyone mention that nuclear jobs involve rotating shift work, long work hours or possibly both simultaneously?) and dislike for the uniform.....the following come to my mind:

1. A greater sympathy for the MM getting out, for trying to serve our country without a lot of encouragement and support for the lifestyle (don't think that hearing "I hate your job" at home doesn't wear on someone trying to do that hard job at sea)

2. You ask for nuclear opportunities, yet prop Seattle twice and slag Richland twice. The only openings in the land of emogoths and rain are PSNS and Starbucks. Both would be a waste of the sacrifices the MM made. There are 93 nuclear power plants and a few DOE sites across America you haven't yet considered.



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1.  The reason I hate it is because HE hates it.  I can't like something that makes my husband so obviously miserable.  That would make me a bad wife.  I have been nothing but encouraging and supportive towards him.    We hate the lifestyle cause of the deployments, low pay, the living conditions, and the way he has been treated.  The hours and shift work....yeah they aren't wonderful but we're used to those by now.   I would think you guys would get it.....you got out for a reason, right?   You know why we don't like it.

2.  I said we like Seattle....not that we HAVE to stay here.   Didn't you see where I mentioned other places....like the southeast, etc.?

Please don't put words in my mouth.   Thank you.
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« Reply #53 on: Jan 26, 2010, 03:24 »
It seems to me that you have picked a fight with very experienced and helpful people who are willing to provide guidance for you and your man as you transition into the world of post-USN civilian life. 

You can continue to battle with the very people you have asked to help, or realize that you are in a hole and stop digging.







It seems to me like the opposite.  Like she got some of the usual flack that we normally reserve for the actual sailors/new people to the business.  She is just a concerned wife looking for a resource.  While I think that she started off great, after Mike's comment, she obviously went defensive. 


NukeWIFE, not everyone got out of the Navy before 20 years in this forum.  In fact, there are plenty of retirees who loved that lifestyle.  All of the reasons that you listed for why you both hate the Navy are valid reasons, and they all get better when you get out (if he can get himself a job).  If you guys are really looking for a job in the nuclear industry, check out this link.  It lists states with nuclear activities that your husband should be able to find a company based off of and apply.



http://www.eia.doe.gov/cneaf/nuclear/page/at_a_glance/reactors/states.html 

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« Reply #54 on: Jan 26, 2010, 03:56 »
It seems to me like the opposite.  Like she got some of the usual flack that we normally reserve for the actual sailors/new people to the business.  She is just a concerned wife looking for a resource.  While I think that she started off great, after Mike's comment, she obviously went defensive. 


NukeWIFE, not everyone got out of the Navy before 20 years in this forum.  In fact, there are plenty of retirees who loved that lifestyle.  All of the reasons that you listed for why you both hate the Navy are valid reasons, and they all get better when you get out (if he can get himself a job).  If you guys are really looking for a job in the nuclear industry, check out this link.  It lists states with nuclear activities that your husband should be able to find a company based off of and apply.



http://www.eia.doe.gov/cneaf/nuclear/page/at_a_glance/reactors/states.html 

Jason

Thank you, Jason.   :)    And I apologize to everyone for getting so defensive.  I've pretty much had to be that way for awhile now due to the Navy.  I know that is no excuse though.  I'm just trying to help my husband out since his command isn't really giving him the time to do anything except maintenance. (While deployed, when he tried to do his quals, he was threatened with mast if he didn't do maintenance instead....these are the kind of people we've had to deal with!)  It's been a rough road and we're looking forward to better times.

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« Reply #55 on: Jan 26, 2010, 04:12 »
Jason normally I agree with you but in this case I can't. She came here seeking advice and when I very politely offered to help she was great with that, until I posted something she did not want to see. Then all of a sudden because she was a woman no one wanted to really help her. I never recall saying, implying, or caring what her sex, color or orientation is. To be honest, based on her attitude and her latest post I'm not certain what the real story with her is. Look, have you ever heard of a command that threatened Mast to a guy trying to qualify? We all know the truth is probably something else and we're hearing the OJ Simpson version of the story. In the Navy, if you're told to do maintenance then you do maintenance. Yes they might come back and say hey NUB you're dink, but the fact is in the military one does as one is ordered to do, not what one wants to do. I'm not giving her flak. I made what I consider a very kind offer because I would hope if my wife came here someone would help her. On the other hand I know Mrs BZ would take to heart when someone first offers to help her, then offers her advice. You'd never see her post, well I don't like the manner of your advice therefore you undermined me because I'm a woman. You'd also see her sticking to the facts, ie we want to get out and she'd do it without all the "stories" and drama. NukeWife is in fact her husband's representative here and she should understand no one is trying to undercut her. She asked about TVA, I'm with TVA and PRIOR to her taking on an attitude was more than willing to lead her through the various traps and minefields that are there when applying to a large government agency. You guys know me very well here, usually I want some proof of competence or willingness to learn before I'll help. In this case because it was a a sailor's wife I was willing to lay that aside. What I got in return was a defensiveness, a resume as to how she wasn't just a "normal" woman, and a half baked sea story. Based on the above no, I'm not willing to help one bit and to tell you the truth, if her husband was out doing quals when he was supposed to be doing maintenance I don't want him on my shift. My preference is for those who can do what they are told to do by their boss and not follow their own agenda.

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« Reply #56 on: Jan 26, 2010, 06:27 »
Sorry guys, but I'm a little late to the conversation.  Anywho.......

To start with, quit with all of the "I hate the Navy" stuff.  Just like my wife and I, you were married when you joined.  I assume that means it was a mutual decision.  Yes, going to sea sucks.  Yes, not having control of your own life sucks.  Get over it!  What you don't yet realize is that joining the Navy was probably one of the best decisions of your lives.  Not because of what you went through in the Navy, but because of what it potentially bought you afterwards(if you allow it to).  I was 6 and out.  It took me a year of selling cars and other random jobs before I was hired as an NLO by TVA.  By the way, remember all that school he went through?  If you want to get a job in the civilian nuke world, he'll have to go through it all again.  He will have to work rotating shift work (holidays, weekends, etc.).  You will probably have to move to somewhere where you don't know anyone.  You know what the difference is?  He gets to come home everyday!  After he finishes training, he will have the oppurtunity to make double what he makes now or maybe more!  When he is ready, there will probably be an oppurtunity to move up.

So chill out a little bit.  Realize that the people on here are used to talking to each other and other former Navy people.  We are all used to the smack talking and are able to see through it to the very useful info that is available here.  In short, don't bite the hand that feeds (even if its not the exact flavor you were looking for).

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« Reply #57 on: Jan 26, 2010, 10:34 »
Mike,
    I just reread the thread, and I missed the sex basis thing.  It definitely changes things when sex is brought in as a factor IMHO.  I understand now why you decided not to offer advice.


NukeWIFE,
   I don't understand why YOU have to be so defensive based on how the Navy treated your husband.  Did the Navy do something directly to you?  Or was it the bureaucracy that a spouse has to deal with when hubby's gone that has gotten to you (trust me I know about this, my wife and I were married almost the whole time I was in the Navy)?
   The whole doing quals when hes supposed to do maintenance thing is the way the Navy runs.  If you want to or are required to qualify, and you are somewhat useful to the division, you will be put to work and expected to qualify after the work day is over.  I had to go through this same process when I was on my boat.  Its just the way the Navy is, and until there is a reactor accident because of operator fatigue, it will not change.
   Just keep in mind that this will not necessarily be the case when he gets out.  There are restrictions that the federal government imposes on how much he will be able to work (if he meets certain conditions, the biggest being working at a nuclear power plant).
  Bottom line I've gotten off of this thread:  the guy is getting out in less than a year, doesn't have much for quals that would have him stand out, and is looking for ways to help him get a job.  If he does nothing more than serve, he will have a tough time finding work.  Have him get some education behind him if he cannot qualify any more at work.  After my Navy training, through Thomas Edison State College, I was able to get my BS in a year.  I wish your husband would have had the Chief that made me take a programming course with him that got me started on my education.

Well, I've said enough for now, good luck in your endeavor, and if he has to be a road tech tell him to go to the frozen tundra for an outage.

Jason

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« Reply #58 on: Feb 04, 2010, 06:52 »
I am in mechanical maintenance at a PWR, I was a 6yr MM no elt no ews no nothing, got busted down once went to mast a half dozen times, and if you want to doubt me go for it doesnt bother me but... With OT an outage and relocation my last paycheck had my YTD at just under $110,000. I got relocated, they paid the commission to sell my house, moved all my crap, stored my crap, gave me $10,000 relocation bonus etc, etc, etc. Plants in the higher cost of living areas are hurting for people. Don't worry about it IMHO as long as you dont try to work at the shipyard or stay in the hampton roads area getting out is the best thing you could ever do. I could have stayed in but my career was already ruined. The fact that I cleaned up my act later on in my enlistment didnt seem to matter enough to make staying in worth it. You'll miss the comradery you'll miss working with people under 45yo, you'll miss being on top of your sh!t, you'll be the nub again but time and 1/2 feels mighty nice. Especially when you are waiting on someone else to get something done. Or spending 8 hours doing one lube oil sample for a PM. Can't beat it with a stick!

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Re: Nuke MM getting out
« Reply #59 on: Feb 05, 2010, 03:29 »
Wow O_o

The only openings in the land of emogoths and rain are PSNS and Starbucks. Both would be a waste of the sacrifices the MM made. There are 93 nuclear power plants and a few DOE sites across America you haven't yet considered.



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« Reply #60 on: Feb 05, 2010, 08:30 »
She asked about TVA, I'm with TVA and PRIOR to her taking on an attitude was more than willing to lead her through the various traps and minefields that are there when applying to a large government agency. You guys know me very well here, usually I want some proof of competence or willingness to learn before I'll help.
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Hey Mike, if you're not going to be busy helping her, how about giving me a hand with those traps and minefields.  I can probably scrape up someone who thinks I'm competent. ;)
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« Reply #61 on: Apr 13, 2010, 11:33 »
First, let me say thank you to everyone on here who is willing to share their information and experiences. I have read a lot of the postings and threads on here and it has been great. This is the first time I have ever posted anything though. I guess I'm just wanting to get some advice and some of your opinions. I am a nuke Machinist's Mate first class. I transferred from the Enterprise in July of 2007 and am currently on recruiting duty in east Tennessee. When I left the ship i was still a second class and was only qualified up to CMO. I am now having to face the decision of getting out or staying in. Things are a bit different now. I am married and have two daughters 5 years old and 8 months old. I would really like to get out of the Navy for obvious reasons, being at home with my wife and kids mostly. Last year I made about $55,000 after taxes so I guess my main concern about getting out is pay. I know that for the first 6 months to 1 year i would be in a training phase and the pay would be a bit lower. (that's what it sounds like anyway) I really cant afford to take too much of a pay cut. Would I make comparable to that as a NLO? Or should i stay in and go back to sea to try and qualify watch supervisor? Would that benifit any more than just getting out now? This is really proving to be a tough decision for me. Any thoughts or advice would be greatly appreciated.

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« Reply #62 on: Apr 13, 2010, 12:42 »
It sounds like money is your motivating factor. You say you made 55K but how many hours do you put in as a typical navy nuke to get that annual pay? Your annual pay as as NLO may be lower initially but if you worked the same amount of hours as the typical Navy nuke, in a second job your annual pay would probably be much higher. Working a second job probably won't be necessary. I just used that for comparison.  It doesn't take that long to top out especially for navy nukes. Seeing your family every day is pretty nice too. Good luck.

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« Reply #63 on: Apr 13, 2010, 02:27 »
You're definitely right about that. You do have to work quite a bit of hours to get that pay. Thanks for you're reply. Also does anyone know any information about Progress Energy in North Carolina? Like when they may be hiring and what a salary might look like with them?

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« Reply #64 on: Apr 13, 2010, 11:43 »
I've been searching for a job for the last 6 months in the nuclear industry as a 6-and-out with a degree, and it's not easy. Due to the economy the industry is getting tons of applicants. This changes a couple of things. Firstly, it'll probably take longer to get your first interview/screening as they have more people to screen. Secondly, there are hundreds and hundreds of people applying for these jobs, some with 10-20 years experience, from similar fields that got laid off for whatever reason, ex-Navy Nukes, or local college graduates.

From what I've heard companies are hiring locally to keep recruiting costs down, as they will probably have many qualified applicants in the area near the plant. If you can swing your terminal leave to coincide with this, you might have some more pull with the company to get your foot in the door. If you have a bachelors degree, supervisor watch position (EWS held for >2 years), or other things like completed apprenticeships it might help your resume to stand out or open up different opportunities to beat the crowd.

Operations will class up every year if they need people (most do apparently), and will post 4-6 months in advance to class-up date. Maintenance posts openings when they need people, but every company does it differently.

And if you apply for a position, it could be anywhere from a month to a year until you hear anything back from them, so be prepared for a long wait. Try and set something up before you get out. That's what I've experienced, but there's a lot of ex-Navy with extensive experience on the commercial side that could provide better answers on what to expect. Search the company websites every day for opportunities.

Good luck.

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Re: Wanting to get out of the Navy
« Reply #65 on: Apr 14, 2010, 11:17 »
So I'm a nuke EM qualified SRO with 2 years left of my initial six years and haven't reenlisted. I'm Planning to get a BS in Nuclear Tech from Excelsior and parallel EWS with that. Now when I get out in 2 years and have that stuff done. Should I be hesitant about more experienced workers taking jobs in the economy right now? or should I be more than qualified to get a job somewhere? (I've actually already been looking and I think St. Lucie in FL looks fairly nice)

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Re: Wanting to get out of the Navy
« Reply #66 on: Apr 14, 2010, 12:32 »
Look here for more info also http://www.nukeworker.com/forum/index.php/topic,10317.90.html.

These topics has already been covered many many times.  Search the site first, then if you have specific questions, post or start a new thread.  Or, as an alternative send a PM to someone who went through he same thing that took part in one of the other discussions.

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Re: Wanting to get out of the Navy
« Reply #67 on: Apr 14, 2010, 01:32 »
So I'm a nuke EM qualified SRO with 2 years left of my initial six years and haven't reenlisted. I'm Planning to get a BS in Nuclear Tech from Excelsior and parallel EWS with that. Now when I get out in 2 years and have that stuff done. Should I be hesitant about more experienced workers taking jobs in the economy right now? or should I be more than qualified to get a job somewhere? (I've actually already been looking and I think St. Lucie in FL looks fairly nice)
1.  The latest interpretation (Direct SRO) is 2 years standing EWS....not just getting your CO's signature the day you separate.   
2.  Having a Technical Degree will help break out your resume.
3.  Both you and the poster above should consider expanding your geographic job search.   Many people would like to be in the Southeastern US, which plays into "supply and demand".   Just like Navy Detailing...go where you're needed and give 110%.
4.  I think the "nuclear economy" will continue to grow.   Keep on eye on who's building, who's hiring and throw your hat in the ring in a few years.

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