It is not my intention to insult or deride. I am, or am becoming,an old tech. And yes I now leave a trail. It used to be a trail of fire, but now a mop is required. I have worked with some very,very good older than me techs, some that really did pull the rods on the sun. A passing grade on a test does not a tech make. I have worked with excellent and poor techs in both the commercial and the doe worlds. Some of the Best and worst have come from the navy and worked there way up from deconers( I did). I have no doubt some folks take the core and are unable to read a meter. Some folks work for years at my site and cannot read a meter. When I came through both oak ridge and srs I had to be 3.1 qualled, pass the core ,an oral board,do site specifics,a million jpms, only to be treated like I had never put on pcs before. Called rent a drunk, transient etc. Now I am a house drunk I guess. My point is to stop snipping at each other. Recognise our shared experiences, and help each other out. If anyone needs help with the core ,nrrpt,or just my two cents worth you are welcome to it. Sounds like a good couple of discussions. Doe verses commercial vs navy. What makes a good tech? MH