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ELgringoGRANDE

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combining nuke rates into one rate, like the SEALs
« on: Oct 06, 2009, 01:45 »
The Navy just combined the SEALs in to one rate. I would presume that it would be easier to manage the career field

I was wondering if the Navy has in mind a similar idea for the Nuclear program
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Re: combining nuke rates into one rate, like the SEALs
« Reply #1 on: Oct 06, 2009, 05:34 »
Well, both ELTs and Mechanics are Machinist Mates (MMs), so they're already consolidated.  The only difference is ELTs go to further schooling and get a different NEC.

It wouldn't be too much of a stretch to imagine consolidating Electricians Mates (EMs) and Electronics Technicians (ETs) into a single rate.  Half of the equipment I worked on as an EM had digital controllers in them anyway.

I have not heard any mention of consolidating nuke ratings.  But if they did, it would probably combine EMs and ETs together.
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Re: combining nuke rates into one rate, like the SEALs
« Reply #2 on: Oct 06, 2009, 05:48 »
There was quite a bit of discussion about 10 years ago of consolidating the EM and ET rate under the ET umbrella, but nothing ever came of it.

I think their final answer was to basically generate nuclear ratings such as ETN, EMN, and MMN.  I'm not sure if they'll go any further with it than that or not.
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Re: combining nuke rates into one rate, like the SEALs
« Reply #3 on: Oct 07, 2009, 08:55 »
The idea was discarded at the highest levels because the top brass simply couldn't justify grouping the god-like rating of EM with that of lesser, lowlier ratings  :)
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Re: combining nuke rates into one rate, like the SEALs
« Reply #4 on: Oct 08, 2009, 07:51 »
Quote from: braveliltoast3r on Oct 07, 2009, 08:55
The idea was discarded at the highest levels because the top brass simply couldn't justify grouping the god-like rating of EM with that of lesser, lowlier ratings  :)
Or...perhaps they wanted to minimize the number of people that occasionally get covered in carbon dust during MG cleaning.

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Re: combining nuke rates into one rate, like the SEALs
« Reply #5 on: Oct 08, 2009, 09:37 »
I had alway heard the elete was the ET, the lesser were the EM (Electrical Mechanisc) and MM (Monkey Mates), so the ET could never consider the lowly EM joining their ranks.   
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Re: combining nuke rates into one rate, like the SEALs
« Reply #6 on: Oct 08, 2009, 09:55 »
Quote from: Content1 on Oct 08, 2009, 09:37
I had alway(s) heard the elete (-1 sp) elite was the ET, the lesser were the EM (Electrical Mechanisc  ) -1 sp Mechanic and MM (Monkey Mates), so the ET could never consider the lowly EM joining their ranks.  

Here we go again,  ::)  I had a much easier time qualifying EWS than any ET I served with and scored higher in electrical and electronics than those in boot camp that became ETs who tanked their mechanical scores, of course the natural progression is to the "real" elite status of ELT.  8)
« Last Edit: Oct 08, 2009, 01:08 by Marlin »
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Re: combining nuke rates into one rate, like the SEALs
« Reply #7 on: Oct 08, 2009, 01:25 »
Your basic ELT is the only Nuke that walks erect and has opposable thumbs. Some say it was the hard work and raw courage of the ELT that ended the Cold War, some say.

Mike
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Re: combining nuke rates into one rate, like the SEALs
« Reply #8 on: Oct 08, 2009, 06:58 »
It is a simple matter of mathmatics to prove which one is superior

Observe......

If you add Education and Technology you will get ET,

So you have ET

Now take away Technology and add some Manliness and you get EM

So now it is
ET-T+M=EM

Now take the EM, realize he is already Educated, and actually has twice the Manhood as anyone else and you get MM

So in review

Education + Technology=ET

ET-T+Manliness(M)=EM

Since E is now assumed, add another element of M to get EM-E+M=MM

Thus all roads lead to MM.
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Re: combining nuke rates into one rate, like the SEALs
« Reply #9 on: Oct 08, 2009, 07:12 »
Quote from: Preciousblue1965 on Oct 08, 2009, 06:58
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Thus all roads lead to MM.

...Which is the stepping stone all ELT's used to begin their journey to greatness.  Well put, precious.  :P ;) :P
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Re: combining nuke rates into one rate, like the SEALs
« Reply #10 on: Oct 09, 2009, 06:05 »
Quote from: withroaj on Oct 08, 2009, 07:12
...Which is the stepping stone all ELT's used to begin their journey to greatness.  Well put, precious.  :P ;) :P

Well with the new auto analyzers, the math for ELT looks a little more like this

Education and Technology=ET

ET+Lazy(L)=ELT   ;)
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Re: combining nuke rates into one rate, like the SEALs
« Reply #11 on: Oct 09, 2009, 07:38 »
Quote from: Broadzilla on Oct 08, 2009, 01:25
Some say it was the hard work and raw courage of the ELT that ended the Cold War

That has always been my view.  I remember the wimp ET's and EM's hiding in EOS while we ELT's boldly ventured from the air-conditioned confines of Nucleonics (God, I love the name and whoever thought it up) and strode into the heat of the steam plant to do our secondary samples and save the ship from certain disaster.    It was a tremendous sacrifice, but one I was proud to make.
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Re: combining nuke rates into one rate, like the SEALs
« Reply #12 on: Oct 09, 2009, 08:01 »
A wise sailor once explained to me, "There are really only two types of nukes, ELTs and nukes who wish that they were ELTs". So, in reality, the nuke ratings have been combined for quite a while now.
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Re: combining nuke rates into one rate, like the SEALs
« Reply #13 on: Oct 10, 2009, 03:53 »
Quote from: rumrunner on Oct 09, 2009, 07:38
That has always been my view.  I remember the wimp ET's and EM's hiding in EOS while we ELT's boldly ventured from the air-conditioned confines of Nucleonics (God, I love the name and whoever thought it up) and strode into the heat of the steam plant to do our secondary samples and save the ship from certain disaster.    It was a tremendous sacrifice, but one I was proud to make.

I nearly wept at my own courage and sacrifice.

Mike
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Re: combining nuke rates into one rate, like the SEALs
« Reply #14 on: Oct 11, 2009, 02:40 »
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I nearly wept at my own courage and sacrifice.

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Your basic ELT is the only Nuke that walks erect and has opposable thumbs.

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There are really only two types of nukes, ELTs and nukes who wish that they were ELTs

I think I just threw up in my mouth...
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Re: combining nuke rates into one rate, like the SEALs
« Reply #15 on: Oct 11, 2009, 08:07 »
Quote from: Broadzilla on Oct 10, 2009, 03:53
I nearly wept at my own courage and sacrifice.

Mike

Isn't that why the movie about ELTs was called "The Crying Game"?
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Re: combining nuke rates into one rate, like the SEALs
« Reply #16 on: Oct 11, 2009, 11:24 »
Quote from: Creeker on Oct 11, 2009, 02:40
I think I just threw up in my mouth...


Statistics show that what they say is true. Take a poll of who is out there running the commercial nukes, you might be surprised to find out which rate (ELT) is in charge. ;)
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Re: combining nuke rates into one rate, like the SEALs
« Reply #17 on: Oct 11, 2009, 09:12 »
OK.. that's fair... I'll poll our current 6 CRSs, SMs,  the OPS Supt and Manager.  Results to be had shortly... (Meaning tomorrow night) 
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Re: combining nuke rates into one rate, like the SEALs
« Reply #18 on: Oct 12, 2009, 01:53 »
Quote from: HydroDave63 on Oct 11, 2009, 08:07
Isn't that why the movie about ELTs was called "The Crying Game"?


Disrespectful Philistine !
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Re: combining nuke rates into one rate, like the SEALs
« Reply #19 on: Oct 12, 2009, 01:55 »
Shift Manager Numero Uno King Eagle Stud Hoss is a former ELT.
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Re: combining nuke rates into one rate, like the SEALs
« Reply #20 on: Oct 12, 2009, 06:26 »
We're a little bit busy with outage, but talking and referring to the USAR....

Looking at OPS leadership and SMs
4 started as engineers
2 as NSOs
5 former navy MMs
2 former navy electricians

One of the MMs was conventional.. The other 4... Not sure.  

Draw your own conclusions.
« Last Edit: Oct 12, 2009, 06:27 by Creeker »
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Re: combining nuke rates into one rate, like the SEALs
« Reply #21 on: Oct 12, 2009, 07:08 »
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you had to bury your ruby slippers in a bucket out behind the prototype,....

ELT's can never go back to Kansas,....


Hahaha...
That might not have been the conclusion I initially drew, but I do like yours better.  Especially this time of the morning.
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Re: combining nuke rates into one rate, like the SEALs
« Reply #22 on: Oct 12, 2009, 07:24 »
My ops director and superintendent were ex elts.
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Re: combining nuke rates into one rate, like the SEALs
« Reply #23 on: Oct 12, 2009, 12:50 »
On the contrary,  I was an ELT and I'm the site ANII at Wolf Creek.  Not Ops, Hp or Chemistry, but the organizational skills and time management I learned as the mightiest of all rates comes in fairly handy. 

ANII= Authorized Nuclear Inservice Inspector.  Translation: Federally and (sometimes) state commissioned inspector employed by an insurance company to perform NRC mandated (10CFR50.55a) independent third party inspections primarily regarding inservice inspection, new construction, and repair/replacement.

Just goes to show that ELTs can do anything.  (Even those of us who weren't super-sat sailors.) Easily three quarters of my company is ex-Navy nuke.
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Re: combining nuke rates into one rate, like the SEALs
« Reply #24 on: Oct 12, 2009, 03:08 »
Quote from: womprat99 on Apr 06, 2009, 08:55
Hello.  I'm a nuclear-trained Navy LT (~6.5 years) who dropped his letter and is getting out in December...

The biggest question I have is where I would fit in with civilian power. 

Quote from: Broadzilla on Apr 15, 2009, 09:13
So I say, a Janitor.

Mike

Wow.

And here I thought that us navy folk were only qualified to be janitors.

Looks like we do better then some people like to give credit for.
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