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Offline angkat09

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regretting my choice
« on: Oct 30, 2010, 12:14 »
I never would have thought I would regret furthering my education in a field as exciting as nuclear energy.  I went to school, studied hard, got good grades, graduated, and hit the market running- ....My student loans are now coming due and I am still unemployed. God knows its not from lack of trying, sending resumes and making daily phone calls, the feedback I relentlessly hear is NO EXPERIENCE....NO JOB! ..... rejection is taking its toll and and I regret is creeping in and making me bitter. I wont stop trying....yet. Maybe the "nuclear opportunity" is a fantasy......

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Re: regretting my choice
« Reply #1 on: Oct 30, 2010, 01:15 »
I have been searching for almost two years and just barely got my first interview. I know it can be discouraging but just stick with it and your time will come.

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« Reply #2 on: Oct 30, 2010, 02:04 »
If you don't mind, could you please forward me your resume for a review? Not that I can do anything with it as far as finding you a job, but my personal resume format has been successful in helping about a half dozen people find employment. I would be happy to give you some pointers. Additionally, would you mind sharing the places you have been looking, specifically, links to the job sites? And what exactly have you been applying for?

Thanks!
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« Reply #4 on: Nov 01, 2010, 09:37 »
http://www.nukeworker.com/forum/index.php?action=printpage;topic=23936.0

I got the resume, it certainly needs work. I am in an outage, so it will take me some time but I can polish it for you.

However, looking at your work experience, I can see why they are saying you have none. Have you thought about what Dave quoted above?

Also, please list what sorts of places you have been applying.

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Re: regretting my choice
« Reply #5 on: Nov 01, 2010, 03:18 »
ya know- I dont recall any of the 30 people in my RCT class ever having ANY "work experience" .....wouldn't that be the reason we were in school?    Offers of a NEW CAREER   a NEW  STABLE LIFE.....FINANCIAL EASE- If we had experience....maybe we would have put more thought into our decision. A Jr. rct is just that..... fresh meat ...green.... No experience------ at the mercy of the industry to take a leap of faith and TRAIN us and polish the skills we have learned. It doesn't mean we are stupid, or "know -it-all's"   we just want a job...like yourself and everyone else. While doing my internship, I was amazed at how many seniors didn't know the decay formula.....or the dac or could even explain how a neutron ball worked..... Wow! The only person to receive a position after the internship didn't even pass the class! the job site was saturated w her family and her dad is apparently a RCT big shot at another site......BITTER? ......OH BOY AM I BITTER.  As for the places I have applied...... There is not a facility, company or sub I have not sent resumes to, spoke with on the phone, and still stay in contact with. I do appreciate your help, please don't get me wrong, like I said, the rejection is taking a toll.

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Re: regretting my choice
« Reply #6 on: Nov 01, 2010, 03:45 »
ya know- I dont recall any of the 30 people in my RCT class ever having ANY "work experience" .....wouldn't that be the reason we were in school?    Offers of a NEW CAREER   a NEW  STABLE LIFE.....FINANCIAL EASE- If we had experience....maybe we would have put more thought into our decision. A Jr. rct is just that..... fresh meat ...green.... No experience------ at the mercy of the industry to take a leap of faith and TRAIN us and polish the skills we have learned. It doesn't mean we are stupid, or "know -it-all's"   we just want a job...like yourself and everyone else. While doing my internship, I was amazed at how many seniors didn't know the decay formula.....or the dac or could even explain how a neutron ball worked..... Wow! The only person to receive a position after the internship didn't even pass the class! the job site was saturated w her family and her dad is apparently a RCT big shot at another site......BITTER? ......OH BOY AM I BITTER.  As for the places I have applied...... There is not a facility, company or sub I have not sent resumes to, spoke with on the phone, and still stay in contact with. I do appreciate your help, please don't get me wrong, like I said, the rejection is taking a toll.

I know exactly what you are talking about, having had a similar experience when I got into the industry back in the '80s.  The student adviser told me, "Oh yeah, Radiation Safety has nearly 100% hiring on graduation."  And when he said it, it was true.  Unfortunately, then (as now) the schools were churning out way more students then the industry could absorb.  By the time my graduation came around, I had to sit on the bench for almost 6 months before I got my first job.  

The school stopped training people a couple of classes after mine, because they admitted the industry was saturated.  

Since then, we had a major contraction of the available jobs in the 90's, as plants tried to meet a budget & be competitive in a deregulated environment.  Many of the old techs left the business for greener pastures.

Suddenly, in recent years, things started to look good again.  Aging Workforce needing to be replaced.  'Nuclear Renaissance'.  Stimulus Money.  We'd better start cranking some students out.  And it was great for the first ones thru the first programs.  Unfortunately, too many schools set up too many programs cranking out too many graduates...and I don't see them slowing down...  :(



Anyway, I feel your pain, but that doesn't help you on an individual basis.  The one bright point is that next spring there are a ton of outages that have to be staffed.  Keep contacting all the firms that you are in touch with, keep looking for more contacts, and be ready & willing to leave on a moment's notice next spring.  I'm pretty sure there will be enough jobs to go around (unless the stimulus money goes away), so be ready to grab yours. 

Good Luck!  Here's hoping the industry ends up being as good to you as it has been to me.  :)
« Last Edit: Nov 01, 2010, 09:39 by UncaBuffalo »
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Re: regretting my choice
« Reply #7 on: Nov 01, 2010, 04:47 »
There will be radcon experience a-plenty in a couple years on Bldg. 65 ;)

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Re: regretting my choice
« Reply #8 on: Nov 01, 2010, 11:15 »
sweet! i SHOULD BE SETTLED IN TO A COZY CARDBOARD BOX AT THAT TIME ....PUT ME ON THE LIST ::)

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« Reply #9 on: Nov 01, 2010, 11:17 »
ya know- I dont recall any of the 30 people in my RCT class ever having ANY "work experience" .....wouldn't that be the reason we were in school?    Offers of a NEW CAREER   a NEW  STABLE LIFE.....FINANCIAL EASE- If we had experience....maybe we would have put more thought into our decision. A Jr. rct is just that..... fresh meat ...green.... No experience------ at the mercy of the industry to take a leap of faith and TRAIN us and polish the skills we have learned. It doesn't mean we are stupid, or "know -it-all's"   we just want a job...like yourself and everyone else. While doing my internship, I was amazed at how many seniors didn't know the decay formula.....or the dac or could even explain how a neutron ball worked..... Wow! The only person to receive a position after the internship didn't even pass the class! the job site was saturated w her family and her dad is apparently a RCT big shot at another site......BITTER? ......OH BOY AM I BITTER.  As for the places I have applied...... There is not a facility, company or sub I have not sent resumes to, spoke with on the phone, and still stay in contact with. I do appreciate your help, please don't get me wrong, like I said, the rejection is taking a toll.

Step 1: STOP WHINING

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Re: regretting my choice
« Reply #10 on: Nov 01, 2010, 11:28 »
AAAAHHH, you must be related to the above mentioned school mate.....she had a way w words also.

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Re: regretting my choice
« Reply #11 on: Nov 02, 2010, 05:48 »
sweet! i SHOULD BE SETTLED IN TO A COZY CARDBOARD BOX AT THAT TIME ....PUT ME ON THE LIST ::)

ACORN will be hiring soon as well...

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Re: regretting my choice
« Reply #12 on: Nov 02, 2010, 07:14 »
Don't forget that schools and training programs are trying to cash in on the "nuclear opportunity" as well.  You take a gamble as you invest your time and money on something that gives no guarantee of employment.

The opportunity that I see is that the nuclear industry is reaching retirement age.  This means that people actually have to RETIRE in significant enough numbers to accomodate all the new candidates.  In this economy, perhaps many are putting off that retirement.  Who can blame them?

Competition is going to be rough going.  When you have a pool of candidates, why wouldn't you take the best?  What if you are applying next to people with more education or have experience?

The education program I am currently involved with was sponsored in part by two local Nuclear plants.  The first class graduated last May and several were hired at both plants.  It makes sense that they took those candidates that performed the best and perhaps those who already had connections at the plant (afterall, inhouse references do pull weight).

Personally I dislike that Colleges and Universities offer unmarketable degrees, or in quantities that oversaturate the market.  What can you do?  As for me, I'm working a job unrelated to my education and live within my means.  I'd recommend the same until you find your "nuclear opportunity".
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It's the transition that's troublesome."  -Asimov

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Re: regretting my choice
« Reply #13 on: Nov 05, 2010, 01:35 »
lookin again......sumthins gotta give!

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« Reply #14 on: Nov 05, 2010, 02:05 »
Check your PM's
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« Reply #15 on: Nov 05, 2010, 04:06 »
looking again......sumthins gotta give!
Are you calling all the Contract company's? Willing to take a janitor position? Travel? Just get your foot in the door, show what you are made of,and maybe something better will happen tommorrow. Hang in there. Do what ever you have to do to pay the bills and fight for everything you get.You'll appreciate it more than that girl who slid right in. I've been doing this for thirty some years and nobody gave me anything except a chance. It will come and I hope you're ready. I've seen many people who knew someone and got that better job.So what,good for them,I wish it was me. Now get busy and call everyone everyday until your fingers blister than you can slack off to every other day.
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« Reply #16 on: Nov 06, 2010, 11:07 »
I got the resume, it certainly needs work. I am in an outage, so it will take me some time but I can polish it for you.

However, looking at your work experience, I can see why they are saying you have none. Have you thought about what Dave quoted above?

Also, please list what sorts of places you have been applying.
I've polished a few recently too.   Perhaps another subforum (Navy: Getting Out: Resumes) is needed.   This process is hard enough without people getting the door slammed at Gate 1 (resume).

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« Reply #17 on: Nov 08, 2010, 01:14 »
I recall that when SNOB's were about to get out we had a book that listed contacts and one of them was a professional resume person who was willing to do a little pro bono work....... Just a thought, but maybe Nukeworker could do the same.....Now will a moderator please reprimand me for being [OT] and move this to where it belongs :stupidme:...... Thanks

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Re: regretting my choice
« Reply #18 on: Nov 08, 2010, 02:56 »
THANKS MIKE!  LOL!

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« Reply #19 on: Nov 08, 2010, 03:15 »
Priceless,...

Not that I would be one to take things out of context, but that's frik'in funny!     ROFL

I'm sitting here on the edge of my seat........ :D

After the resume tweek, has the industry aquired another Nuclear God...... :o

RG


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Re: regretting my choice
« Reply #20 on: Nov 09, 2010, 12:01 »
I won't sugar coat this for you. Wait until the community organizer's money runs out and a thousand and one hp's are out looking for work. Hanford alone has hired 300 hp's with stimulus money and it's coming to an end. They've hired techs who have been out of the business 10, 15 years.

There simply is not enough work in this business anymore for someone to walk in off the street with no previous experience and get hired. And as you've found out, it gets even tougher when you have no one on the inside to help get you in.

That being said, you never know if you keep trying.

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Re: regretting my choice
« Reply #21 on: Nov 10, 2010, 01:26 »
woo hoo!   7 more resumes sent out!    CROSSIN MY FINGERS....TOES....EYES....

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« Reply #22 on: Nov 10, 2010, 01:27 »
woo hoo!   7 more resumes sent out!    CROSSIN MY FINGERS....TOES....EYES....

Good luck i am sure something will come your way.

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Re: regretting my choice
« Reply #23 on: Nov 10, 2010, 01:36 »
Thank you!    gotta keep tryin! [thanks]

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« Reply #24 on: Nov 10, 2010, 01:43 »
thats the only way to be, persistance and patience pays off in the nuclear industry!!

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« Reply #25 on: Nov 14, 2010, 04:47 »
After reading this I am quite suprised. From the class of 30 you speak of I seem to recall more than just that one girl getting jobs. I feel bad that everyone that was willing to travel hasn't found work because I know it sucks. But complaining about 9 months of school and what $3000. Really? Try a $40,000 Bachelors degree and finding out the same thing. Or people that have Master's Degrees and are working as janitors. That class needs to get realistic. You recieved a certificate (not a degree) for 9 months of school and everyone is suprised they don't have multiple job offers? Previous posters are correct that hopefully something will come along but why hire a person with no experience IF they have people with more/better education and/or work experience? Regret giving up a whole nine months and a few thousand bucks for a chance at a great career. Just so you know though if I would have been hiring, you would have been the 2nd person out of that class that I would have hired.

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Re: regretting my choice
« Reply #26 on: Nov 15, 2010, 02:28 »
my post reads she was the only one to receive an offer after the INTERNSHIP, not out of the 30 students. I believe several have found jobs and are very happy at this time. THANK YOU for your closing comment, Id really like to know who u are, considering we were apparently in the same class. im curious to know your age and financial situation- deciding to go back to school at my age was a big step....being a single mommy it was difficult and yes, even a measly 10,000 dollar burden and a mear 11 months of school can cause  a lot of stress....for me....maybe not you. fearing those loans comming due and not having the satisfaction of knowing a career was the good that came from the debt is a hard reality.

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Re: regretting my choice
« Reply #27 on: Nov 15, 2010, 07:59 »
If your resume looks anything like some of your posts (e.g. spelling and grammar mistakes, punctuation errors, etc.), I wouldn't take a second look at it. I realize this is a public forum, and I know it's been mentioned before, but attention to detail counts for a lot. Everybody here understands that you're under a lot of stress, but this job also involves stress. If you're blowing up at us here, how will you react when dealing with a nuclear reactor or its associated jobs?

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« Reply #28 on: Nov 15, 2010, 09:30 »
wow! your right! along with that, i think using smiley faces, character photos and silly user names is equally as harmful. MY HELL! WHAT WAS I THINKING? You should immediately notify the forum manager and have them removed, and maybe suggest rules for proper use of the English language......maybe induce penalties for bad grammar, spelling errors and slang....  ITS A FORUM....GET OVER IT! I don't believe I or anyone else planned to post an interview via nukeworker forum.

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Re: regretting my choice
« Reply #29 on: Nov 15, 2010, 09:48 »
Personally, I don't know MMM, Im concerned that this person feels I was blowing up at him/her. A rant about my personal frustrations is no indication that I BLAME or hold anyone responsible but myself. I appreciate all the feedback, good or bad- it lets me know im not alone and there are others as frustrated as myself. You need to relax, don't take things so personal. Oh ya..... I bet text shorthand totally  disgusts you!....... [dowave]

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« Reply #30 on: Nov 15, 2010, 10:01 »
You seriously don't want to go down this road over something you obviously consider a joke. Simply take the criticism and move on. The people here are nuclear professionals and some of them may happen to be the ones that are going to read your revamped resume when I am done critiquing it. It may be a joke to you, but to most here, it is not.

About that, sorry it is taking me longer than usual, but since my return here, my PM inbox has been over flowing and I am also busy at work. But I promise something to you by tomorrow evening.

Justin

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Re: regretting my choice
« Reply #31 on: Nov 15, 2010, 11:13 »
Dear MMM,
                       
                           I am truly sorry!

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« Reply #32 on: Nov 16, 2010, 06:31 »
ang,
I should have left out the first part, but I missed it in the editting process (sorry about that). Something to think about, there are hiring managers that read these, and possibly post here. The emoticons and what not are sometimes helpful for getting your point across, but spelling/grammar is important, and yes, texting shorthand makes me twitch a bit  ;) but it's usually between two people not in public. I hope your job search improves.

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« Reply #33 on: Nov 16, 2010, 04:22 »
If your resume looks anything like some of your posts (e.g. spelling and grammar mistakes, punctuation errors, etc.), I wouldn't take a second look at it. I realize this is a public forum, and I know it's been mentioned before, but attention to detail counts for a lot. Everybody here understands that you're under a lot of stress, but this job also involves stress. If you're blowing up at us here, how will you react when dealing with a nuclear reactor or its associated jobs?
Content in resumes counts more than grammar/spelling.   I can show you a 4.0 grammatically correct resume that will have no hope of getting its author a job.

Attention to detail in a Forum Post counts for nothing.   We don't know her, she doesn't know us, and many people get jobs, join the Navy, have kids, without visiting "Nukeworker" for permission.

I've seen people come completely unglued "on the job".   The worst posting in here is tame compared to real life.

Otherwise, the OP needs to hear from a "mom" who has been able to manage two full time jobs:   Nuclear (toughest technical job) and Mom (toughtest job in Life).  <Insert sound of chiping crickets for now>

My $0.25 opinion:  you have to chose (at least initially) one "toughest job" and do well at it.   The people I've seen try both are marginal at both.   This isn't a sexist perspective though...same holds true for the Dads out there.   Going to to sea and leaving your family behind is a HUGE sacrifice...you pick the job (Dad's don't normally get an option of going to shore duty if they're expecting a baby....now THAT is sexist!)

Separately, the OP is also the "head of household" on the income chart.   (Make that 3 tough jobs then).

Sorry, we can't help you with this decision.   The rest is just banter here on Nukeworker where in the absence of adding value to a thread, we spell check it.

:)
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« Reply #34 on: Nov 16, 2010, 04:27 »
ang,
I should have left out the first part, but I missed it in the editting process (sorry about that). Something to think about, there are hiring managers that read these, and possibly post here.
Oh...and people should worry more about what Hiring Managers (et al) read on Facebook, not on here.   I haven't heard of anyone getting fired for posting here, but I have heard of negative consequences (e.g., termination) from Facebook content.

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Re: regretting my choice
« Reply #35 on: Nov 16, 2010, 05:34 »
Oh...and people should worry more about what Hiring Managers (et al) read on Facebook, not on here.   I haven't heard of anyone getting fired for posting here, but I have heard of negative consequences (e.g., termination) from Facebook content.

Co58

Possibly because most everybody here maintains some professionalism and typically doesn't bad mouth their employer without facts to back it up?

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Re: regretting my choice
« Reply #36 on: Nov 16, 2010, 06:05 »
Seems like the thread has gone adrift here a tad.Started off stating that perhaps the net gain in employment marketability in our "business" (whatever strain) at the completion of one of the various renaissance fueled  2 yr. Associate courses, may not be all that it was purported to be, most likely by a joint advertising venture between the institution and their associated (usually local) sponsors. Now we are contemplating whether you are more likely to be fired if you post in a less than stellar fashion on f-book or here. Always remember general order #1 in the 3.1 manual - It really does matter...how radiation interacts with matter.

 


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