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Few questions about acceptance into nuke program
« on: Mar 01, 2011, 09:05 »
Alright, first of all, I made a 98 on the ASVAB.  My line scores have not come in yet, but they should be in within the next day or two.  My recruiter has already told me I need to take the NAPT, based on failing math in high school. It was the result of trying to do too much at one time.  No excuses, I earned the F, but I feel as if I could have passed the class in different circumstances.  I was told I would need to smoke the NAPT to even have a chance of getting in, even if my line scores that are required for the nuke program are above 252.  How true is this? Trying to figure out what I need to do, i'm pretty heartset on being a nuke.  Also, if this is the case, where can I find specifics on the Physics, Math, and Chemistry on the NAPT? I have been searching for awhile, on this forum and elsewhere, and can not find any specifics, which is understandable due to the classified nature of the test.  If it turns out that I can not smoke the NAPT, are there any other advanced programs in the military? I don't want to 'waste' my 98, so to speak, and i'm not set on the Navy, if I can't get into Nuke.  I've searched for awhile, but Nuke and the Advanced Electrician for the Navy were the only programs I could find.  Thanks in advance!
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Re: Few questions about acceptance into nuke program
« Reply #1 on: Mar 01, 2011, 09:35 »
Quote from: stefanc2011 on Mar 01, 2011, 09:05
 Also, if this is the case, where can I find specifics on the Physics, Math, and Chemistry on the NAPT? I have been searching for awhile, on this forum and elsewhere, and can not find any specifics, which is understandable due to the classified nature of the test.  

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So, you recognize that the information is sensitive, yet you are still asking for where you can find the information.
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NOTE: I will delete any posting that contains "specific" information.

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« Reply #2 on: Mar 01, 2011, 09:39 »
Well, I certainly do not want the subject material spelled out for me, I was just wondering if it was able to be a bit more specific than 'Calculus'.  There is quite a bit to calculus.
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Re: Few questions about acceptance into nuke program
« Reply #3 on: Mar 01, 2011, 09:59 »
Here's the thing, the NFQT (or whatever they call it now) is designed to measure your existing knowledge.  Unless you haven't had math or science for several years, you probably will not benefit from a crash course.  My son, who just started Boot Camp, passed the NFQT by a hair.  He'd been out of college for 2 years and had little Math/Science in college.  If you want to work some problems to get the juices flowing, I'd recommend getting an officer aptitude test study guide and work the math and physics-type practice problems.
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Re: Few questions about acceptance into nuke program
« Reply #4 on: Mar 01, 2011, 10:05 »
That sounds like great advice, and I will do that for sure.  If I end up not passing the NFQT, or NAPT, whichever, is that the end of the road as a nuke?
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Re: Few questions about acceptance into nuke program
« Reply #5 on: Mar 01, 2011, 10:34 »
No you can always go commercial.
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Re: Few questions about acceptance into nuke program
« Reply #6 on: Mar 01, 2011, 12:19 »
Quote from: stefanc2011 on Mar 01, 2011, 10:05
That sounds like great advice, and I will do that for sure.  If I end up not passing the NFQT, or NAPT, whichever, is that the end of the road as a nuke?

If you take the NAPT, and don't pass (the minimum passing score is 50, but it may be higher depending on your line scores) then you can re-take the NAPT.  However, if you re-take it, you must score at least 55 (possibly higher, depending on your line scores)

The test is no longer referred to as the NFQT (Nuclear Field Qualification Test), it's now called the NAPT (Navy Advanced Programs Test). 
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Re: Few questions about acceptance into nuke program
« Reply #7 on: Mar 01, 2011, 12:48 »
I went to the used book store and bought some old textbooks on Algebra I, Physics, and Chemistry. I used those as a refresher, since it's been a while since high school. Even better, I passed the test and got my money back for the books. In my mind, old textbooks have a very underestimated value. Don't get me started on textbook publishers. :P
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Re: Few questions about acceptance into nuke program
« Reply #8 on: Mar 02, 2011, 11:51 »
Also, just got my line scores. GT = 139 and the VE+AR+MK+MC = 256, so I could've qualified if I hadn't had those F's.  Kicking myself for that now.  How high am I going to have to make on the NAPT to get that waiver passed for acceptance?  I know 50 is passing, but will I have to make higher than that?
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Re: Few questions about acceptance into nuke program
« Reply #9 on: Mar 02, 2011, 12:27 »
I don't know if this is too much info, but the minimum score can change at any time without notice. It changed the week before I took my test. Before you take the test, they'll tell you what you need to make. Also, wear a watch. There wasn't a clock in the closet they put me in. ;)
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Re: Few questions about acceptance into nuke program
« Reply #10 on: Mar 02, 2011, 03:05 »
Quote from: stefanc2011 on Mar 02, 2011, 11:51
Also, just got my line scores. GT = 139 and the VE+AR+MK+MC = 256, so I could've qualified if I hadn't had those F's.  Kicking myself for that now.  How high am I going to have to make on the NAPT to get that waiver passed for acceptance?  I know 50 is passing, but will I have to make higher than that?

According to COMNAVCRUITCOMINST 1130.8H Vol IV (Enlisted Recruiting Manual, Programs and Classification) Chapter 1, Section 1, Page 12, you need:

VE+AR+MK+MC+NAPT=290
or
AR+MK+EI+GS+NAPT=290

with a NAPT score of at least 50 (55 for retest).

Waivers are approved (or disapproved) on a case-by-case basis.  I can't point to a specific acceptance criteria for that.  It largely depends on their overall perception of you, and how badly they need nukes at the moment.
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Re: Few questions about acceptance into nuke program
« Reply #11 on: Mar 02, 2011, 06:32 »
Quote from: Styrofoam on Mar 02, 2011, 12:27
There wasn't a clock in the closet they put me in. ;)

That's to give sailors practice for working closely in fan rooms and other close spaces ;)
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Re: Few questions about acceptance into nuke program
« Reply #12 on: Mar 07, 2011, 05:08 »
Quote from: sovbob on Mar 02, 2011, 03:05
Waivers are approved (or disapproved) on a case-by-case basis.  I can't point to a specific acceptance criteria for that.  It largely depends on their overall perception of you, and how badly they need nukes at the moment.

That is a very good point because so many are trying to get into the program that they can be more selective.
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Re: Few questions about acceptance into nuke program
« Reply #13 on: Mar 07, 2011, 07:03 »
Quote from: Fadge on Mar 07, 2011, 05:08
That is a very good point because so many are trying to get into the program that they can be more selective.

is this statement a fact or subjective opinion?
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Re: Few questions about acceptance into nuke program
« Reply #14 on: Mar 07, 2011, 08:46 »
Quote from: Charlie Murphy on Mar 07, 2011, 07:03
is this statement a fact or subjective opinion?

Judging by the lower enlistment bonuses being offered and seemingly smaller number of people showing up to the command each week right now, I would (subjectively) say that the above is true. I could be wrong though.
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Re: Few questions about acceptance into nuke program
« Reply #15 on: Mar 07, 2011, 08:52 »
Quote from: yota on Mar 07, 2011, 08:46
Judging by the lower enlistment bonuses being offered and seemingly smaller number of people showing up to the command each week right now, I would (subjectively) say that the above is true. I could be wrong though.

Anyone know how to get such data or ever seen it? I'm sure its heavily gaurded in a bunker somewhere, but I am really curious to see some nuke stats. I've always wondered how many actually finish the first enlistment, percentage of females gone prego, and Sad :'( stats.... I'll bet gamecock has access to that war chest.
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Re: Few questions about acceptance into nuke program
« Reply #16 on: Mar 08, 2011, 07:11 »
I ended up passing, barely..made a 56. Now it's all up to whoever passes the waivers, to see whether or not I can get the F in calculus waived or not.
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Re: Few questions about acceptance into nuke program
« Reply #17 on: Mar 08, 2011, 07:43 »
Quote from: drayer54 on Mar 07, 2011, 08:52
I'll bet gamecock has access to that war chest.

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Re: Few questions about acceptance into nuke program
« Reply #18 on: Mar 08, 2011, 01:10 »
Quote from: stefanc2011 on Mar 08, 2011, 07:11
I ended up passing, barely..made a 56. Now it's all up to whoever passes the waivers, to see whether or not I can get the F in calculus waived or not.

A couple of weeks ago, I got 2 grade waivers approved and I made a 57 on my NAPT (needed a 55). I thought my scores were really low, but I guess the nuke waiver guys didn't. The thing to remember is they look at the whole package.
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Re: Few questions about acceptance into nuke program
« Reply #19 on: Mar 08, 2011, 01:16 »
Quote from: Styrofoam on Mar 08, 2011, 01:10
A couple of weeks ago, I got 2 grade waivers approved and I made a 57 on my NAPT (needed a 55). I thought my scores were really low, but I guess the nuke waiver guys didn't. The thing to remember is they look at the whole package.

Actually it probably was your "battle cry" that turned the tide   ;) :P

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Re: Few questions about acceptance into nuke program
« Reply #20 on: Mar 08, 2011, 01:33 »
Quote from: MacGyver on Mar 08, 2011, 01:16
Actually it probably was your "battle cry" that turned the tide   ;) :P

Nah, at this point in time, my battle cry is pretty pathetic when there are people around who aren't deaf. Also, it was probably the fact that aside from my strong vision prescription (that I needed a waiver for), I haven't really lived yet, so my slate is clean. :P

To the OP, I took my waiver sheets home and worked on them for over a week before submitting them. I went all MLA on their butts. The point is, take writing the waiver stuff seriously and make it show in your work. And take full responsibility for failing and say that you learned something, even if you have to think about it for a while, I'm sure you'll find something you learned. :)

You know your specifics better than we do. What makes you stand out to the Navy? Why should they take a chance on you?
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Ok, I'm done now. :)


Oh, and MacGyver, tat video was pretty funny; I'd ask what show that is, but then I'd just look like I never get out of the house.
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Re: Few questions about acceptance into nuke program
« Reply #21 on: Mar 08, 2011, 07:52 »
Quote from: Styrofoam on Mar 08, 2011, 01:33
Oh, and MacGyver, tat video was pretty funny; I'd ask what show that is, but then I'd just look like I never get out of the house.

For those who never pushed a Level 34 Half-Elf Mage over a hexagon map....that was the first episode of "Space: Above and Beyond". A convoluted sci-fi series where most of those nub Space Marines ( who are not killed in the epic first mass dogfight in Jupiter's Outer Rings ) engage in high-risk landings and dogfights throughout Earth's stellar neighborhood against Chiggy VonRichthofen.
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« Reply #22 on: Mar 08, 2011, 11:12 »
I go to MEPS tomorrow. I got a 52 on the Nuke Qualifier and I needed a 50 like a month ago. (yeah, i know by the skin of my teeth)  My problem is that they changed the required score to 55 and you can not take the test but once every six month period. Is there a waiver to say i don't need take it again since i already passed?
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Re: Few questions about acceptance into nuke program
« Reply #23 on: Mar 08, 2011, 11:16 »
Quote from: FutureSailorTaylor on Mar 08, 2011, 11:12
I go to MEPS tomorrow. I got a 52 on the Nuke Qualifier and I needed a 50 like a month ago. (yeah, i know by the skin of my teeth)  My problem is that they changed the required score to 55 and you can not take the test but once every six month period. Is there a waiver to say i don't need take it again since i already passed?

The minimum score changes practically every day. I don't think you'll need a waiver, but you should ask your recruiter to be sure.
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« Reply #24 on: Mar 08, 2011, 11:20 »
Thanks, I also had a another question...My recruiter told me after the two years of school you go through in the nuke field you would have a college degree in Nuclear Operations or Engineering? Are there any other jobs that your training can award you a college degree?
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Re: Few questions about acceptance into nuke program
« Reply #25 on: Mar 08, 2011, 11:25 »
your recruiter lied
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Re: Few questions about acceptance into nuke program
« Reply #26 on: Mar 08, 2011, 11:28 »
Quote from: FutureSailorTaylor on Mar 08, 2011, 11:20
Thanks, I also had a another question...My recruiter told me after the two years of school you go through in the nuke field you would have a college degree in Nuclear Operations or Engineering? Are there any other jobs that your training can award you a college degree?

Guys, feel free to contradict me if my info is wrong. :)

You'd be close (9 credits to an associates and 40 credits to a bachelors) degree in "Nuclear Engineering Technology, which is not the same as a Nuclear Engineering degree. Nuclear Engineering means you can design a nuclear reactor; nuclear engineering technology means you can operate one.

Here's the part where I tell you to go look it up. :) There's lots of info on this on these forums as well as the internet as a whole. But know that about.com is really outdated, so don't take it's info as "for entertainment use only".

Also, I know I'm still a noobish and naive, but I prefer to think the recruiters are just ignorant of what's actually going on with nukes. However, I have heard one of the other recruiters give a potential recruit the whole "NO means Navy Opportunities" speech.
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« Reply #27 on: Mar 08, 2011, 11:31 »
nuclear engineering technology means so such thing

completing nuke school and qualifying on a reactor means you can operate one. your recruiter was lying.
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Re: Few questions about acceptance into nuke program
« Reply #28 on: Mar 08, 2011, 11:33 »
Quote from: Broadzilla on Mar 08, 2011, 11:31
nuclear engineering technology means so such thing

completing nuke school and qualifying on a reactor means you can operate one. your recruiter was lying.

Huh. So what's the degree for?
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« Reply #29 on: Mar 08, 2011, 11:37 »
you don't get one. you get a certain number of credits that you can apply for a eventual degree but you get no degree at all for nps. it simply gets some of the course work out of the way. an net degree is useless.
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« Reply #30 on: Mar 09, 2011, 06:12 »
Quote from: HydroDave63 on Mar 08, 2011, 07:52
For those who never pushed a Level 34 Half-Elf Mage over a hexagon map....that was the first episode of "Space: Above and Beyond". A convoluted sci-fi series where most of those nub Space Marines ( who are not killed in the epic first mass dogfight in Jupiter's Outer Rings ) engage in high-risk landings and dogfights throughout Earth's stellar neighborhood against Chiggy VonRichthofen.

Um, well, actually.....
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Re: Few questions about acceptance into nuke program
« Reply #31 on: Mar 10, 2011, 01:28 »
Got a call about an hour ago...waivers passed.  I'm in.  Meps next week to pass the physical etc, which shouldn't be a problem considering how many of them I've passed in my lifetime ha.  Can't wait to get my shipdate and see whats next!
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« Reply #32 on: Mar 10, 2011, 01:41 »
Congratulations! Keep us posted!
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« Reply #33 on: Mar 10, 2011, 02:10 »
Grats on the waivers! Woohoo!  [dowave] [dowave]

You took the NAPT and got nuke waivers approved, but you haven't taken your physical yet?

Guys, do different recruiters/MEPS do things in a different order?
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« Reply #34 on: Mar 10, 2011, 02:34 »
Quote from: Styrofoam on Mar 10, 2011, 02:10
Grats on the waivers! Woohoo!  [dowave] [dowave]

You took the NAPT and got nuke waivers approved, but you haven't taken your physical yet?

Guys, do different recruiters/MEPS do things in a different order?

Thats how it worked for me....
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« Reply #35 on: Mar 10, 2011, 02:47 »
Quote from: Charlie Murphy on Mar 10, 2011, 02:34
Thats how it worked for me....

Crap, maybe it's not the real Navy. Maybe they're scammers, but I don't have any money! What do they want from me!?!?!??!
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« Reply #36 on: Mar 10, 2011, 03:07 »
Quote from: stefanc2011 on Mar 10, 2011, 01:28
Got a call about an hour ago...waivers passed.  I'm in.  Meps next week to pass the physical etc, which shouldn't be a problem considering how many of them I've passed in my lifetime ha.  Can't wait to get my shipdate and see whats next!

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Quote from: Marssim on Mar 10, 2011, 03:13
Do not!!!!!!, for the love of all that is technogeek,....

high five an LCD monitor,.... :P ;) :) 8)

Shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh, this is a secret intellegence test.  Don't tell anyone.  Okay?   :P :P :P
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« Reply #38 on: Mar 10, 2011, 03:27 »
Quote from: MacGyver on Mar 10, 2011, 03:15
Shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh, this is a secret intellegence test.  Don't tell anyone.  Okay?   :P :P :P

Ha! My hand is bigger than yours! :P
Wait, what!?! How'd I do?

Oh, and good going OP.
It's funny, my recruiter drilled it into me that the people at MEPS would do anything they could to DQ (disqualify) me. They even said that the doctor would ask me if I'd ever been in a car accident and if I said yes, they'd make me get a "head scan". Chief said that.  ??? I had "asthma symptoms" and ADHD when I was a kid and the doctor just asked me a few questions about it and signed me off. Good guy. :)

It could also be that it was more than 10 years ago, so there are no records of it anymore and I had records showing there are no records. heh I love that. Thorough! What what! haha  ;D
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« Reply #39 on: Mar 14, 2011, 06:06 »
I got a waiver for knocking myself unconcious as a kid at boot camp... Forgot all about it until the guy at Great Lakes said something about falling out of a tree.  The records were 13 years old and we were able to find them in 20 minutes - you'd be surprised haha.  It might have helped that I managed to remember the correct 2 week time period of the incident though.
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« Reply #40 on: Mar 16, 2011, 12:19 »
Done with meps, etc. shipdate 20111114.  Hopefully can get moved up way sooner than that though, I don't want to wait 8 months but may have to.  oh, and the 12k sign on bonus is not bad either :) woulda done it for free though.
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« Reply #41 on: Mar 16, 2011, 12:25 »
Quote from: stefanc2011 on Mar 16, 2011, 12:19
20111114. 

Is that a star date?

Justin
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« Reply #42 on: Mar 16, 2011, 12:36 »
Quote from: JustinHEMI on Mar 16, 2011, 12:25
Is that a star date?

Justin

hahaha these kids are just excited to get in the navy :) I noticed most of them are putting their dates and times in that format ;)

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Re: Few questions about acceptance into nuke program
« Reply #43 on: Mar 16, 2011, 02:47 »
Quote from: Charlie Murphy on Mar 16, 2011, 12:36
hahaha these kids are just excited to get in the navy :) I noticed most of them are putting their dates and times in that format ;)



Just doin' what we're told. ;)
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« Reply #44 on: Mar 16, 2011, 03:38 »
Quote from: Styrofoam on Mar 16, 2011, 02:47
Just doin' what we're told. ;)
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