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Administrative hold on unescorted access
« on: Nov 11, 2011, 01:18 »
My unescorted access is on administrative hold while I complete the requirements of a mandatory EAP referral (which is not related to FFD or criminal activity).  If I quit my job now, will it show up on my record as an unfavorable termination of UA?

If I get my UA reinstated, will the administrative hold show up on my record if I apply for a job at another plant?  Will I have to disclose it if I apply at another plant (when they ask if I've ever been denied UA or had an unfavorable termination of UA)?

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Re: Administrative hold on unescorted access
« Reply #1 on: Nov 11, 2011, 01:51 »
Well the keyword in your whole statement is mandatory.

That's it. If you don't do it you won't regain access until it is completed. If you quit then you won't necessarily be unfavorably terminated  (according to what you were referred for) but the info will be put in PADS and your access will be terminated. The hold doesn't just go away. It's mandatory for a reason. It doesn't matter what plant you go to it will show up and you will have to complete it before being able to gain access again.


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Re: Administrative hold on unescorted access
« Reply #2 on: Nov 11, 2011, 02:29 »
Sorry, meant to answer the second part as well.

If you get your UA reinstated there will be no 'administrative hold' for them to see. I mean you could have an administrative hold for a lot of things... a drug test .. not providing an Original Copy of a DD214 ... so no that won't show up. The only thing that will show up is if you quit and don't complete the program.

As of right now it's not like you've been denied access. You are just on hold until you complete the program. So if you go to another plant you wouldn't have to say you've been denied access simply because you were on a hold for a little while. The game changer is when you quit and don't do it since it is mandatory. It would be like not taking a random drug test.. it's mandatory and you didn't do it. So whether you were full of drugs/alc or not then you are unfavorably terminated. 

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Re: Administrative hold on unescorted access
« Reply #3 on: Nov 11, 2011, 02:56 »
Thanks a lot for your response.  I have been complying with everything I have been told to do for the mandatory referral, but they have continued to extend the hold while they add more requirements for me to complete.  How would it work if I applied for a job at another plant while I am still on administrative hold at my current plant?  Would the EAP report my compliance to the new company or would I have to complete the mandatory referral to the satisfaction of the old company and get them to remove the hold?  Or is all of that irrelevant because any other plant where I apply will be able to see that I am on administrative hold for a mandatory referral and consider that a reason not to hire me?

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Re: Administrative hold on unescorted access
« Reply #4 on: Nov 11, 2011, 03:21 »
How would it work if I applied for a job at another plant while I am still on administrative hold at my current plant?  Would the EAP report my compliance to the new company or would I have to complete the mandatory referral to the satisfaction of the old company and get them to remove the hold?  Or is all of that irrelevant because any other plant where I apply will be able to see that I am on administrative hold for a mandatory referral and consider that a reason not to hire me?

It wouldn't. The simple answer is if you don't complete the requirements you aren't going to be at any plant. Not to be harsh but that's the facts. Why would any other plant hire you if you didn't follow a previous plants requirements? You just have to do what they ask or not work in the nuclear field. There isn't a way around it really. It's considered a security risk. I don't see why they would say you are in compliance if they continue to add things for you to complete and you haven't done them and are contemplating quitting. Again all you can do is what they ask. I know it sucks but that's just how it goes.
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Re: Administrative hold on unescorted access
« Reply #5 on: Nov 11, 2011, 07:54 »
I have done, or am in the process of doing, everything they have asked me to do.  I completed four counseling sessions and a class, and the EAP case manager reported to my company that I had completed the requirements of the mandatory referral.  Then the company made me sign a release for the company MRO to speak with the EAP doctor about my case, and after they talked, the EAP changed the requirements to include 12 additional counseling sessions (which are not covered by the EAP so I have to pay for them myself).  I will complete the 12th of these sessions next week, and then the MRO will again review my case, at which time he may decide to have the EAP add more requirements.  I have been out for 7 weeks and I don't know how much longer they will string this out.  I would like to use my time off to apply for other jobs, but I would hate to ruin my chances by applying now if I am going to be automatically rejected because of the status of my UA.

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Re: Administrative hold on unescorted access
« Reply #6 on: Nov 11, 2011, 11:00 »
Your only option really is to stay put. MRO's typically won't continue to give you stipulations over and over again. I have a feeling after 16 sessions and a class that they should make a decision by now. I hate that they made you do that out of pocket I know how expensive those things can get. You have to remember a lot of these MRO's/Psychs/Etc work together and some all work at one place. It's a business for them too and unfortunately I feel like sometimes they take advantage of it.

However, my opinion is you've gone this far don't give up now. It's like dropping out of high school 2 weeks before you graduate in a sense. Especially since you have paid so much money out of pocket. Like I said it's not going to go away if you go to another plant so you might as well get it done with now.

I don't really know all the details and why they wanted you in the EAP but I do know many reasons as to why they do that. So just assuming a few different scenarios the next time you talk to one of them tell them your situation and be upfront. I would say "hey listen I'm out of work 7 weeks here on top of having to pay for classes is there anyway you can give me some sort of inkling as to what is going on." You don't want to come across to harsh but I mean I agree it has been a little long. I'm not an EAP expert but I do deal with people who have to go through it time to time.

Just give it a little more time. Finish the last class and go from there. I've never really seen an MRO do that necessarily but I have a feeling that after these sessions he/she will give you the O.K.

The reason I say that is because if you were a big enough problem they would have just found a way to get rid of you by now lol trust me.

Good luck man keep us updated and let me know if anymore questions

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Re: Administrative hold on unescorted access
« Reply #7 on: Nov 12, 2011, 02:01 »
Thanks for your advice.  I kind of figured that I would have to get my UA back before I apply for other jobs, but I wasn't really sure how the situation will look to other sites.  It is good to know that it won't show up on my record if I get my UA reinstated.

All of my attempts to find out what's going on have been futile.  Every time I ask the company or the EAP, they tell me that they will decide what to do next after I have completed the current requirements (and they each say the decision is up to the other!).  A few weeks ago, they made me take the MMPI again and talk to the company shrink.  It almost seems like they are making it up as they go along and looking for a reason to deny me.  At my 8th session, the counselor told me that we had covered everything the EAP wanted, but I still had to do 4 more sessions because the EAP specified 12 sessions.

 


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