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Contract Negotiations
stownsend:
I understand they want local #369 to pay 100% cost for insurance. That's F'd up.
Toukonfan:
4 year contract voted for, and ratified yesterday afternoon.
Contract terms are retroactive back to May 16th.
GLW:
--- Quote from: DuckAndCover on Jul 14, 2012, 01:40 ---...When I hear about people making $122,000 per year demanding more, it just reminds me of why I stopped following baseball in the mid 1990s when there were multiple strikes by players who were making $4,000,000 per year to play a game they enjoy playing, because suddenly $4,000,000 was not enough.
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--- Quote from: DuckAndCover on Jul 14, 2012, 12:31 ---...I've met some great guys in the unions who are easily worth 3-4 or even 5-6 of the other union guys. The most hard-working guys, those with great work ethics and strong personal integrity, are basically carrying 5-6 lazy bums on their backs.....
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I'm trying to reconcile your position(s) here,....
Are the "3-4 or even 5-6 guys" worth $366,000 to $732,000, or are the other union guys only worth $40,000 to $20,000 per year?
Now ask yourself would you work at a defined task where the lowest paid earn $20,000 or $122K/yr and the highest 6X that amount based on what they bring to the job and to the company every day?
Because if you're good with that, and your position statement indicates you are, I'm not sure why you are not good with baseball. The disparity in pay is a comparable example, and the players get what they can convince the league and the owners they can bring to the game,....
If I could throw a quality game with a consistent 98 mph fastball and could get the NYY and that behemoth of a fan base they have to subsidize my compensation to the tune of millions I would darn sure do it,...
It's good to know your principles would never let you accept being paid more than $122,000 per year no matter how good you are or how hard you work,...
I'll be sure to emphasize your example to everyone I know,...
Me?!?!?!, I'll take every dollar over $122,000 per year that your principles compel you to decline,...
Tell your wife and kids that my wife and kids said, "Thank You from Disney World!!!!"
:P ;) :) 8)
almost forgot,...(sic)
HydroDave63:
--- Quote from: DuckAndCover on Jul 16, 2012, 03:29 ---Unions destroy any incentive to work harder and EARN a promotion, because promotions are automatic, they are buit into contracts, and they cannot be given early, nor can they be withheld for reasons such as lack of qualification or lack of merit.
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Apparently you haven't read a contract, lack of qualification is a bona fide justification
GLW:
--- Quote from: DuckAndCover on Jul 16, 2012, 03:29 ---
What exactly did I mean? A man who makes $125,000 per year but works as hard as 6 men who are slackers/bumps on logs (each making $125,000 per year to be bumps on logs) still only makes $125,000 per year... Management is powerless to reward his efficiency, his effort, his adherence to procedures, his results, etc... That would be "fractional bargaining" and result in at least a grievance if not a labor charge being filed with the NLRB
Unions destroy any incentive to work harder and EARN a promotion, because promotions are automatic, they are buit into contracts, and they cannot be given early, nor can they be withheld for reasons such as lack of qualification or lack of merit.
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Okay, fair enough sentiment,...that's not what you typed earlier,...
What you typed earlier was people making $122,000 per year and demanding more were no more deserving of more than $122,000 than over paid baseball players,...
you don't get what you deserve, you get what you negotiate,...
that's a look up,... ;)
--- Quote from: HydroDave63 on Jul 16, 2012, 03:39 ---Apparently you haven't read a contract, lack of qualification is a bona fide justification
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that and many others would be true,...
and there is a place in most unions for the worker who is happy at X rate of pay for Y number of hours and no ambition to be more than an X - Y kinda guy,...
and I really don't see a problem with that, the guy puts in a fair days work for a fair days pay,...
as long as there's work to be had it's a fair deal,...
I will grant you one thing is more difficult with a union,...
When you supervise them you have to do your job to get rid of a slacker,...
I could not just walk in and say, "You know what? Joe just ain't measuring up in my estimation, good bye Joe."
Nope, I had to do my job and objectively track, monitor, assign, evaluate, coach and counsel Joe,...
Sometimes when you actually take the time to do all that you realize Joe isn't really a problem, you just don't like him and that colors everything you sense about him,...
In those cases, it's good Joe has the union to keep it all fair,...
Besides, dealing with your union brothers ain't always rainbows and unicorns either,...
And better yet, you do not have to work where there's a union, there are other choices, you just need to prioritize yours,...
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