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Offline Kalel0419

Pending Medical Discharge
« on: Aug 30, 2012, 09:30 »
Today I was informed that I will be placed on a medication (requip) that will disqualify me from being a nuke.  I finished the pipeline (ET3) and graduated on 6/15/2012.  Ive been dealing with these medical issues since A school and they are finally being resolved.  The issue is I recently checked my record and I still have a training NEC and not one showing I completed the pipeline.  I have my graduation certificate and I received my credits for all the schooling on my SMART transcript and am currently enrolled at Excelsior college.  When I went in and asked I was told it was because I haven't transfered to a nuclear billet yet, which is why I haven't received the 2nd portion of my enlistment bonus even though my contract says upon graduation the 2nd portion will be paid.  I'm not concerned with the bonus, what I care about is the NEC.  Is there anyway to get this?  There is a JAG coming this month and I'm thinking of making an appointment and seeing what they have to say.  Also my doctor told me if i get denuked in the Navy I wont be able to get a job in the nuclear field as a civilian. Is there any validity to this?

Thank you all for any help, advice or anything that will make this issue not seem like these past 2.5 years have been for nothing.

Fermi2

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Re: Pending Medical Discharge
« Reply #1 on: Aug 30, 2012, 10:11 »
The doctor is full of it. The civilian world will evaluate you based on their criteria. Either way, you have zero experience, I'd start looking into another field.

Offline Kalel0419

Re: Pending Medical Discharge
« Reply #2 on: Aug 30, 2012, 10:18 »
Yeah the zero experience I know but I only have 14 credits to finish my BS in Nuclear Science and Technology, so Im thinking with that and the Navy training it would give me a leg up on someone who wasnt in the Navy and gone through this pipeline.

Fermi2

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Re: Pending Medical Discharge
« Reply #3 on: Aug 30, 2012, 10:36 »
Incorrect, not by a long shot. Your Navy with no experience means zero. I'd prefer a burger king manager with an associates in Math.

Pretty much Navy Nuclear power doesn't have the pull it used to. The program is weak. Better candidates are available off the street. IIRC in our last class we hired maybe 1 Navy nuke.

Offline HydroDave63

Re: Pending Medical Discharge
« Reply #4 on: Aug 30, 2012, 10:43 »
Also my doctor told me if i get denuked in the Navy I wont be able to get a job in the nuclear field as a civilian. Is there any validity to this?

Anywhere from 0 to 100%. Depends on the ailment(s).

Offline Kalel0419

Re: Pending Medical Discharge
« Reply #5 on: Aug 30, 2012, 10:44 »
Man your offering me so much good advice.  Anything else that might make this situation seem worse than it already is?

Fermi2

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Re: Pending Medical Discharge
« Reply #6 on: Aug 30, 2012, 10:49 »
No, as someone who has been a commercial nuke for 22 years and hires people I am giving you the healthy dose of reality you need. No one is your mama here.

Offline Kalel0419

Re: Pending Medical Discharge
« Reply #7 on: Aug 30, 2012, 10:54 »
I think the healthy dose of reality was being told that after busting my ass for 2.5 years that hey your no longer qualified.  Its not like I want to get out.  I fought this and there is nothing I can do.  Right now I'm looking for some direction as to where to go next.  And you really place someone in the military under a Burger King manager with an Associates in Math. Wow

Fermi2

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Re: Pending Medical Discharge
« Reply #8 on: Aug 30, 2012, 10:58 »
I tell the truth. I have had dozens of operators working for me over the years. I prefer a guy who has decon experience and has worked in a civilian plant over a Navy Nuke any day, especially with the crap coming out of the Navy anymore. Used to be enlisted Navy guys were great. Now if it's not an Officer or a Chief, they are worthless. Also keep in mind the 6 and outers have actual experience.

BTW you'll find what I told you is prevalent here and in the industry. You have the quals to maybe sweep floors. Our academic and operating standards are leagues above the Navy. The plants are far more complex and there is far more to learn, in less time.

I'd check into another industry. You're most likely wasting your time trying to get into the Big Leagues.

Offline HydroDave63

Re: Pending Medical Discharge
« Reply #9 on: Aug 30, 2012, 11:03 »
Requip by itself shouldn't disqualify you from passing FFD at a civilian plant. It's the anti-depressants that Requip is used to compensate for, that can disqualify for hire.

Offline Kalel0419

Re: Pending Medical Discharge
« Reply #10 on: Aug 30, 2012, 11:06 »
Requip is the only medication they are putting me on.  And thank you.

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Re: Pending Medical Discharge
« Reply #11 on: Aug 31, 2012, 11:19 »
  Also my doctor told me if i get denuked in the Navy I wont be able to get a job in the nuclear field as a civilian. Is there any validity to this?

Speaking as a Navy Denuked who has worked in the civilian nuclear field for over 20 years, your doctor is full of BS.
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Fermi2

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Re: Pending Medical Discharge
« Reply #12 on: Aug 31, 2012, 11:29 »
Smart People is correct. Being Denuked pretty much means nothing to the civilian world. One of the best Reactor Operators I have known was denuked while serving an instructor tour at Prototype. His offense was smarting off to the wrong watch officer. On the other hand back then you really had to do something to qualify as a nuke.

Offline gogamecocks

Re: Pending Medical Discharge
« Reply #13 on: Aug 31, 2012, 07:55 »
Incorrect, not by a long shot. Your Navy with no experience means zero. I'd prefer a burger king manager with an associates in Math.

Pretty much Navy Nuclear power doesn't have the pull it used to. The program is weak. Better candidates are available off the street. IIRC in our last class we hired maybe 1 Navy nuke.
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This is actually really sad to hear. I read a lot of anti-navy posts on here and they may be valid. It's hard to know but I was really shocked myself to read so many negative attitudes toward Navy Nukes. I say apply anyway and see what happens.

Do you qualify for GI Bill benefits? I would use that to get more training and you will get some disability pay and a housing allowance. Maybe this would help you get into something else you like...never hurts to have more education. I have heard from Boeing, BAE, and Nocor(companies in my area) that they love hiring ex-Navy Nukes just because they consider them highly trainable, if nothing else. Some of my husband's friends that went to Nucor said the pay was equal to commercial nuke pay starting out. Plenty of them love it there so look at other companies. You have your A-school trade and getting through Nuke school is a plus even if you don't go commercial. Evaluate your options. My husband was always planning to get out at 8 and was offered a job at a commercial nuclear power plant on the spot after a Poss test but decided to take a job offer at Fujii Film b/c he liked the hours better( I remember the pay being exactly the same). Then at the last minute he decided to stay in the Navy but my point is there are other companies that will hire you so look around. Sorry about your predicament. The Navy has gotten really weird lately on these things.It's pretty easy to get med. board these days. Even way back in the day I remember friends that got kicked out over medical issues(some silly-like this one guy broke both his wrists at the same time playing tag football. He had just finished power school). I hope things work out for you. I understand your disappointment. Hopefully people are wrong and you will be able to make some use of your navy training. Good luck.


Offline Kalel0419

Re: Pending Medical Discharge
« Reply #14 on: Aug 31, 2012, 08:19 »
Yeah I do have my GI Bill benefits and Im about to start class on Monday, only 14 credits left to get my degree. Ill more than likely be able to use Navy TA to finish another semester before Im finally processed out.  Thank you for the more positive input gogo.  :)

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Re: Pending Medical Discharge
« Reply #15 on: Sep 01, 2012, 02:53 »
Hey Kalel0419, 

First off thank you for your service!

           Individuals used to get hired based on experience, qualifications, training, and education.  You will find out in the astonishing “Nuke World,” getting a job is completely based on politics.  The primary concern of an employer should be “how can the applicant make my company better?”  Now, the hiring process is based on “how can the applicant shield and protect my job?”  Your military experience and education is far above the standard applicant. 

Broadzilla made the statement:
 “Incorrect, not by a long shot. Your Navy with no experience means zero. I'd prefer a burger king manager with an associates in Math.  Pretty much Navy Nuclear power doesn't have the pull it used to. The program is weak. Better candidates are available off the street. IIRC in our last class we hired maybe 1 Navy nuke.

Clearly Broadzilla is an idiot!  I guarantee a three year-old with a box of crayons could do her job.     

          I was a Chemical-Biological specialist in the Army.  I was also medically discharged.  Speaking from personal experience, I have found that it’s better not to list your military service on your resume, especially if you are given a disability rating.  It never fails employers will automatically think it’s psychological.  Focus on your degree in Nuclear Science.   

Good luck to you brother!                     

Fermi2

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Re: Pending Medical Discharge
« Reply #16 on: Sep 01, 2012, 08:57 »
1: Broadzilla is not a SHE.

2: Broadzilla has been a Shift Manager at both a BWR 4 and a 4 Loop Westinghouse PWR. Hardly an idiot.

3: In an exit meeting after our recent force on force drill the NRC told my plant management I am probably the sharpest SRO in the country. Hardly an idiot.

4: I do hire people. I think I know...

gogamecocks, your husband is an exception :) Quite simply in my 22 years commercial I have found zero difference between Navy Nukes and Non Navy Nukes.What bothers many is the Navy sense of entitlement. They haven't operated real reactors yet, they've played with tinker toys yet believe they are architects. It's getting worse because the Navy standards have slipped considerably whereas the civilian standards have gone up immensely. There are exceptions of course as a good operator is a good operator regardless of the background. There is also a huge difference in your husbands experience and that of the original poster. He in fact has none.

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Re: Pending Medical Discharge
« Reply #17 on: Sep 01, 2012, 10:24 »
You defiantly misinterpreted what your NRC said.  Your NRC said “the Sharpest Idiot he has ever seen”!  What I hate most about the business is people like Broadzilla, who automatically feel a sense of entitlement.  Your 22 years in the “commercial,” has quite simply taught you nothing. 

Broadzilla once again put a foot in his/she mouth,

“ Quite simply in my 22 years commercial I have found zero difference between Navy Nukes and Non Navy Nukes.  What bothers many is the Navy sense of entitlement.

They haven't operated real reactors yet, they've played with tinker toys yet believe they are architects. It's getting worse because the Navy standards have slipped considerably whereas the civilian standards have gone up immensely. There are exceptions of course as a good operator is a good operator regardless of the background. There is also a huge difference in your husband’s experience and that of the original poster. He in fact has none.”

Your stereotypical attitude towards Military Veterans is immensely misguided and extremely illegal.
         
« Last Edit: Sep 01, 2012, 10:26 by ArthurRyan »

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Re: Pending Medical Discharge
« Reply #18 on: Sep 01, 2012, 10:39 »
 [chill] :old:

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Fermi2

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Re: Pending Medical Discharge
« Reply #19 on: Sep 01, 2012, 10:45 »
LOL it's only illegal if I use it as a means to discriminate which I would never do.

Guess this guy has no idea I AM a veteran.

I feel no sense of entitlement as I have more than earned my way. Not seeing a whole lot of BWR/PWR Shift Managers out there....

Offline HydroDave63

Re: Pending Medical Discharge
« Reply #20 on: Sep 01, 2012, 11:05 »
Hey Kalel0419, 

First off thank you for your service! 1.

           Individuals used to get hired based on experience, qualifications, training, and education.  You will find out in the astonishing “Nuke World,” getting a job is completely based on politics.  The primary concern of an employer should be “how can the applicant make my company better?”  Now, the hiring process is based on “how can the applicant shield and protect my job?”  Your military experience and education is far above the standard applicant.  2.

Broadzilla made the statement:
 “Incorrect, not by a long shot. Your Navy with no experience means zero. I'd prefer a burger king manager with an associates in Math.  Pretty much Navy Nuclear power doesn't have the pull it used to. The program is weak. Better candidates are available off the street. IIRC in our last class we hired maybe 1 Navy nuke.

Clearly Broadzilla is an idiot!  I guarantee a three year-old with a box of crayons could do her job. 3.   

          I was a Chemical-Biological specialist in the Army.  I was also medically discharged.  Speaking from personal experience, I have found that it’s better not to list your military service on your resume, 4. especially if you are given a disability rating.  It never fails employers will automatically think it’s psychological.  Focus on your degree in Nuclear Science.   

Good luck to you brother!                     


1. Service is standing the watch, giving the taxpayers return on their investment. Eating for free in 2 years of pipeline isn't service, it is a loss on investment.

2. Most applicants either have 6 and out with 4 years operating something on the ship, or a 4 year degree. So no, this resume does not exceed the "standard applicant"

3. For the length of time you have been on Nukeworker and not know who Broadzilla is....well, maybe someone ELSE is the idiot  :P

4. Not listing your military service in your resume is falsification by omission. The worry that employers might think it was caused by psychological problems might be well-founded. Especially if they read some of these posts....

Fermi2

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Re: Pending Medical Discharge
« Reply #21 on: Sep 01, 2012, 11:09 »
Also, uh if you think they won't find out you were military......

Offline jams723

Re: Pending Medical Discharge
« Reply #22 on: Sep 01, 2012, 11:41 »
LOL it's only illegal if I use it as a means to discriminate which I would never do.

Guess this guy has no idea I AM a veteran.

I feel no sense of entitlement as I have more than earned my way. Not seeing a whole lot of BWR/PWR Shift Managers out there....

The reason for that is PWR SM's are smart enought to realize the better design....  The one BWR SM that I know of got smart and shifted to a PWR....

.... Just saying.....

Offline Nuke Dave

Re: Pending Medical Discharge
« Reply #23 on: Sep 01, 2012, 11:58 »
I have worked in commercial for 21 years and have been a Shift Manager and now Ops Manager and would love to have anybody that has been a Navy Nuke.

We get very few Navy Nuke applicants but th ones we do are by far the best non-licensed operators we have and tend to make the best Reactor Operators.

Apply and use the Navy experience.

Offline Kalel0419

Re: Pending Medical Discharge
« Reply #24 on: Sep 01, 2012, 12:17 »
HydroDave, I understand that these past 2.5 years have been a lost investment to the tax payers and myself. I had planned to stay in make E7 and get out and start a real life. What I know I dont have the experience. What Ive been looking for is advice on how to use what I have and make a better situation out of it. I know full well there are better qualified people for commercial nuke jobs but im looking for someplace to start fresh. I fought to stay in this program after having skin cancer. Then i get the news after finishing having orders to the Lincoln that im getting denuked cause i twitch when i sleep and have sleep apnea. I had my life planned out and then it all came crashing down. Im looking to start over with the skills and soon the degree so that these past years havent been a complete loss.

 


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