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ET vs. ELT
Already Gone:
Don't pity me. I had no "workday" hours at sea. If I stood a midwatch, I could sleep in the daytime.
There were no gangs, drug use, homosexual activity (There were gay men; they just behaved themselves and left that on shore), or any of that surface crap on a sub.
Boot camp ended for us at the gate of boot camp. We didn't have to relive it for six years like the skimmers.
My Dolphins actually MEANT something. They were not an imitation of anything that ever went before, and up til now, I've never seen a girl wearing them, and I probably never will. If that sounds sexist, I'm sorry. But women were wearing Surface "Warfare" pins long before they were allowed on combatant ships. Kinda tells you what those things really meant.
mattrev:
--- Quote from: Beer Court on Dec 11, 2004, 01:39 ---Boot camp ended for us at the gate of boot camp. We didn't have to relive it for six years like the skimmers.
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You got that right, some of the stuff I hear about from the target guys where I work had to do....
It says something when you really can just walk up to the Captain (full bird) and say hi . Or even better, he'd walk up to you and say hi and knew who you were.
I was informed of the birth of my daughter while performing the primary analysis at about 0200 when I felt a presence behind me in Nucleonics. Turned around, and there was the CO with his secret clipboard in hand. Thank god I decided to wear gloves that day. ;D
CharlieRock:
Just thought I'd add my two cents...'
One of the above posts talked about things like berthing on a CVN. The fact is that if that's your driver - thing again. First, the berthing assignments varies on every CVN. When I was an RC DivO on CVN-74, the ET berthing was a nice 50 man just forward of the forward mess decks. The ELT berthing was a nice space also, just aft of the RIM room. Both were quiet and comfortable. On the CVN-75, ELTs and ETs were living in huge 150 man berthings. Noisy, bright and busy. Berthings vary by ship and even change over the ship's life.
Second, I've never seen much difference between ELTs and ETs, in terms of work load or post-military employability. These two rates seem to be the most employable. As an ELT, you'll stand a good number of mechanic. ETs get sucked into other watches as well. Just ask the ETs standing Fourth Deck Watch on CVNs.
scruffy:
--- Quote from: Beer Court on Dec 10, 2004, 07:21 ---I don't know if I'd call it lounge-around sluggo lifestyle that I got to slack off ONLY when everybody else was, and had to carry the same M Div. load as all the other MM's before they let me do my primary duty. I didn't consider it a vacation that I spent most weeks in-port getting no sleep at all every third day and working from 0600 to 1900 the other two.
I wonder who was cleaning the ERLL bilges while scruffy was sitting in the sonar shack. On my boats that was the prerequisite to doing any RL Div work. I can't figure out why he had to be ELT and ERS at once when the ERS watch (a total waste of manpower except for startup and shutdown) was secured most of the time.
I didn't choose to be a MM or an ELT. I was simply told that I would be. At the time, it didn't really matter. But, anyone who is given a choice should not be biased by the opinion of this (predominantly HP/RP) forum. We all went one way, but that doesn't mean that it is the best way. After all, ET's "stood" most of their watches in a chair. Their uniforms didn't get too dirty. None of their equipment was under a half a foot of oily water, and didn't contain any dead marine creatures. When they get out, they can fix computers instead of surveying reactor cavities. The only civilian job that ELT "qualifies" you for is a job that any Navy nuke can get because essentially anyone who can operate a Masslinn mop is already on this career track.
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Well Beer court I guess I was just too senior to dive the bilge you see I was the only E-5 in my nuke school class and was the senior E-5 on my boat in enginneering had already taken the E-6 exam when their was no one secondary sample qualed then they had to have somebody aft of frame 52 to do them. You guys must of had one boat in bad condition because both of my boats that I was on never had more than 6 to 8 inches of water in the bilge ( except when the Swordfish was sinking then the water was above the ERUL deck) you guys should have taken better care of your boat! Apples and oranges you were in a Navy that was post cold war a different set of rules.
taterhead:
Boy- that got a rise.
Background: I am a surface (CVN72,76) MMC working at a shipyard with 6 submariners (First classes) working for me.
I have had to go aboard every sub here for one reason or another (QA).
Just based on their comments and my observations, sub life seems a little tougher.
Don't get me wrong, big props to you sub guys. I just wouldn't want to do it. Likewise, there are some aspects of surface life that are hard for subs guys to live with. Just ask my guys...
Again, I wasn't bagging on subs. There is a job that has to be done and you guys do it/did it.
Hey beer court...no drug use? Wow. That's saying something. Might be the first command I have ever heard of with *0* drug use. I never saw any gangs , but I have heard stories. I guess the differences between sub life and surface life are like the differences between living in a small town and a big city. With the size and convenience goes the crime and traffic.
To each his own.
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