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Operations 8 hour shift and NFR
« on: Nov 22, 2013, 06:34 »
I'm starting this thread to poll the industry and find out if there are any sites where the Ops department is working an 8 hour shift rotation.  Based on discussion with a fellow operator at my plant, we are not sure that *anyone* out there is doing it.  Even if your plant is working a 12 hour rotation, please feel free to post here or send me an instant message. 

The new NFR rules are confusing at best, and I'm curious about the impacts of the new rules as it relates to rotating 8 hour shifts.

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Re: Operations 8 hour shift and NFR
« Reply #1 on: Nov 22, 2013, 06:48 »
Are you asking about the alternate ruling AKA Avg 54?

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« Reply #2 on: Nov 22, 2013, 07:14 »
New rules?

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Re: Operations 8 hour shift and NFR
« Reply #3 on: Nov 22, 2013, 07:25 »
In 2011 another option for fatigue rule became available.   Same base rules (b34/9, 72/168, etc...), but instead of minimum days off it's a weekly avg of 54 hours a week.  Some differences in how the avg periods are calculated.

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Re: Operations 8 hour shift and NFR
« Reply #4 on: Nov 22, 2013, 07:27 »
Ah TVA did not implement it.

Offline Frank Cable

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« Reply #5 on: Nov 23, 2013, 12:11 »
Quad uses a 8/12 hybrid schedule. 8 hour shifts during weekdays and 12s on the weekend.

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Re: Operations 8 hour shift and NFR
« Reply #6 on: Nov 23, 2013, 12:49 »
Well, I wasn't putting this up to ask about any new alternate rule sets (Avg 54), really I was just trying to do some internet benchmarking, if you will.  I guess now I gotta start looking into that.

"New" is a relative term: relatively speaking, I'm still 'new' to this industry.

AS40, can you send me an example of that rotation?

Offline JRC27

Re: Operations 8 hour shift and NFR
« Reply #7 on: Nov 26, 2013, 02:44 »
We work 12's

Offline hiddencamper

Re: Operations 8 hour shift and NFR
« Reply #8 on: Nov 26, 2013, 04:02 »
Clinton is working 6 crew 8s and transitioning to 5 crew 8s next year.

They need union votes before they can go to 12s. The younger ops want it, the older guys dont. We'll see how it goes.

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Re: Operations 8 hour shift and NFR
« Reply #9 on: Dec 03, 2013, 03:32 »
We work a 12 hour 5 week schedule at my plant, or will be come the first of the year.  Corporate is forcing us to change to it from a 10 week schedule.  We did change to the total hours worked vs days.  Doesn't seem to make too much difference.

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Re: Operations 8 hour shift and NFR
« Reply #10 on: Dec 04, 2013, 02:31 »
Clinton is working 6 crew 8s and transitioning to 5 crew 8s next year.

They need union votes before they can go to 12s. The younger ops want it, the older guys dont. We'll see how it goes.

This is how it is at BV. The old guys remember the days of working 7 12s because there were no work hour rules, and instead of being rational adults and using reason, they say "I'll put in my papers if we go to 12s." In effect, they are holding the rest of the people hostage.

Personally, I'd call their bluff.

12s is the way to go.

Justin

PS We are likely going to be on 5 crews 8s soon as well, since the union has failed to provide adequate candidates to qualify as RO, and we're running low on them. That's going to be awesome. /sarcasm.
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Offline ddickey

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« Reply #11 on: Dec 04, 2013, 06:50 »
Weekly rotating 8's here. Although not a nuke plant so probably not pertinent.

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Re: Operations 8 hour shift and NFR
« Reply #12 on: Dec 04, 2013, 08:42 »

PS We are likely going to be on 5 crews 8s soon as well, since the union has failed to provide adequate candidates to qualify as RO, and we're running low on them. That's going to be awesome. /sarcasm.
LMAO, we are running 5 section 12's with only 14 RO's and one retiring in the spring.

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Re: Operations 8 hour shift and NFR
« Reply #13 on: Dec 04, 2013, 10:45 »
When I interviewed at Robinson they had 7 ROs for 5 shifts.

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Re: Operations 8 hour shift and NFR
« Reply #14 on: Dec 05, 2013, 03:58 »
Clinton is working 6 crew 8s and transitioning to 5 crew 8s next year.

They need union votes before they can go to 12s. The younger ops want it, the older guys dont. We'll see how it goes.

Clinton is a single unit site, correct?  What does your 6 crew rotation look like?  Why are you considering going to five crews?

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Re: Operations 8 hour shift and NFR
« Reply #15 on: Dec 07, 2013, 07:41 »
LMAO, we are running 5 section 12's with only 14 RO's and one retiring in the spring.

We're down to 13 at one unit, on 6 crew 8s. Several leaving soon. To hold off from going 5 crew 8s, the remaining ros have agreed to pick up as much ot as possible within the work hour rules. When that's no longer possible, both units will go to 5 crews since training won't be able to support one unit on a five week rotation and the other on six.

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« Last Edit: Dec 07, 2013, 07:45 by Higgs »
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Re: Operations 8 hour shift and NFR
« Reply #16 on: Dec 07, 2013, 11:43 »
Does anyone have an example of a 5-crew 8s schedule VS a 6-crew 8s schedule?  I know the number of weeks per evolution is different, but I was wondering how they broke them both down.
« Last Edit: Dec 07, 2013, 05:21 by kmatney »

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Re: Operations 8 hour shift and NFR
« Reply #17 on: Dec 08, 2013, 05:11 »
At Columbia we have (6) crews working a (6) week rotating schedule of 12 hours shifts except for our training week (which is (4) 10 hour days)

Per crew  
3 HP
1 RP Laborer
5-6 EO's
3-4 RO's
1 Control Room Supervisor
1 Shift Technical Advisor
1 Shift Manager

And lots of fun  :D

Edit: How could I have forgot the lovely Chem Techs......one per crew
« Last Edit: Dec 08, 2013, 05:17 by Bonds 25 »
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