Scared to post

[S T I G]

I just joined (recent Rad Pro graduate), looked at some of the READ THIS FIRSTs, and read some of the hotter discussion topics and now I am scared to post something in fear of retribution .

[dea]

What are you afraid of, the sarcastic replies to questions? Or is it you are fearful that a prospective employer may see something you wrote and hold it against you?

[retired nuke]

I'd be scared of going out in public with that hair...

 

[Marlin]

I just joined (recent Rad Pro graduate), looked at some of the READ THIS FIRSTs, and read some of the hotter discussion topics and now I am scared to post something in fear of retribution .

Well I guess that shows you did a search first, one of our curmudgeons favorite peeves. 

Are you testing the water and easing in? You may be chumming the water. 

Well ,good luck and wear body armor. 

 

[Wlrun3]

This forum will be the most valuable asset of your 30 plus year career.

I have regretted the few ill conceived, inconsiderate and thoughtless posts i have made and deserved the rough treatment I got in return.

I have learned more here than any amount of field experience or academic effort could have provided.

Every post ever made is available at "show the last post of this person" when you click on the posters screen name. This alone constitutes the largest and most relevant collection of usable information in our unique discipline.

You'll be fine.

[S T I G]

I'd be scared of going out in public with that hair...

 

It is called a "Fohawk" and I assure you it was very fashionable when I had it. 

[S T I G]

This forum will be the most valuable asset of your 30 plus year career.

I have regretted the few ill conceived, inconsiderate and thoughtless posts i have made and deserved the rough treatment I got in return.

I have learned more here than any amount of field experience or academic effort could have provided.

Every post ever made is available at "show the last post of this person" when you click on the posters screen name. This alone constitutes the largest and most relevant collection of usable information in our unique discipline.

You'll be fine.

Are you saying I just wasted 40 thousand dollars?

[S T I G]

Well I guess that shows you did a search first, one of our curmudgeons favorite peeves. 

Are you testing the water and easing in? You may be chumming the water. 

Well ,good luck and wear body armor. 

 

Reassuring...hah

[retired nuke]

It is called a "Fohawk" and I assure you it was very fashionable when I had it. 

all the way back to the Beatles... any hairstyle that has a pop name for it... generally makes you look...

 

[Contract SRO]

Reassuring...hah

One of the things I have come to learn (even though not perfect in application) is you learn more reading and listening to the seasoned guys than asking questions that show you are new or clueless. Ask questions your not sure how they will be received in a private email to one of the seasoned experts.  As you read and observe the posts and responses you will learn what are the things that set people off and also that will help you become more seasoned.

Just my two cents worth.

[S T I G]

One of the things I have come to learn (even though not perfect in application) is you learn more reading and listening to the seasoned guys than asking questions that show you are new or clueless. Ask questions your not sure how they will be received in a private email to one of the seasoned experts.  As you read and observe the posts and responses you will learn what are the things that set people off and also that will help you become more seasoned.

Just my two cents worth.

some good points, however i'm not necessarily afraid of posting something that shows that I'm new because I AM new. I just don't want to post stupid questions that have been covered a hundred times over.

[Wlrun3]

Oh my...I should keep my philosophical blatherings to myself.

[S T I G]

Oh my...I should keep my philosophical blatherings to myself.

Uh oh..... I hope you didn't take that in wrong way .....nooooooooooooooooo

[Wlrun3]

Name the nozzles in the drywell from top to bottom, describe the differences of the three types of pwr steam generators, recite the nuclides, their energies, emissions, and origins confronted in our discipline, state the fundamental regulations and texts fundamental to our endeavor, give examples of application of the radioactive decay formula and the inverse square law and, most importantly, tell me, in response to the concerns of my wife, my mother,  my sister and my children, why and how am I safe... and you,  one of only 1000 contract Radiation Protection Technicians in the country that created this, the inheritor of one hundred years of our pursuit, tell me, in all sincerity, that this is only a job.

[S T I G]

Name the nozzles in the drywell from top to bottom, describe the differences of the three types of pwr steam generators, recite the nuclides, their energies, emissions, and origins confronted in our discipline, state the fundamental regulations and texts fundamental to our endeavor, give examples of application of the radioactive decay formula and the inverse square law and, most importantly, tell me, in response to the concerns of my wife, my mother,  my sister and my children, why and how am I safe... and you,  one of only 1000 contract Radiation Protection Technicians in the country that created this, the inheritor of one hundred years of our pursuit, tell me, in all sincerity, that this is only a job.

depends on who made it and what gen it is

Westinghouse U-Tube
B&W Once Through
Horizontal

Americum241/a,SF/432yrs/smoke detectors
californium252/a,g/2.6yrs/moisture content measurements
carbon14/everything
cesium137/biomedical/b,g/30yr
cobalt60/everything/b,g/5.26yr
curium244/mining/a,g,n/18yr
Iodine131/biomedical/b,g/8.1d
iridium192/Engineering & biomedical/b,g/74d
Phosphorus32/biomedical/b/14.3d
Phosphorus33/biomedical
Polonium210/film
Plutonium238/NASA
plutonium239/Energy/a/24,100yrs
Promethium147/industry
Polonium210/assassinations /a/138.4
radium226/lighting rods!!!!/a,b,g/1,602yrs
selenium75/biomedical
sodium24/industry
strontium85/biomedical
strontium90/dosimetry & biomedical/b/28yrs
sulphur35/biomedical
Techetium99/biomedical
Thallium/biomedical
Thallium204/dosimetry & industry
Thorium229/industry
Thorium230/industry
thorium232/a/14,000,000,000yrs
Tritium H3/biomedical & industry/b/12.5yr
xenon133/biomedical
Uranium234/dental
Uranium235/Energy & industry/a/710,000,000yrs

10CFR835
10CFR20
lco,nuregs, site specific manuals,ansi’s etc


not going to bother with showing calculations every RCT knows

gonna pass

[Wlrun3]

This is the link to my book, American Nuclear Power Plants, written in 2010.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/qh187z2bld1gxiz/American%20Nuclear%20Power%20Plants.pdf

Reactor, Oklo to Fukushima is finished and I will provide it here soon.

Trench 94, Graveyard of the Cold War and Rocky Flats Building 771, The World's Most Dangerous Building are to follow.

The book list in American Nuclear Power Plants provides a foundation for understanding the significance of what happened in the mid twentieth century, given climate change and population growth, its implications for the future, and to the point, your position in it.

[Fermi2]

Don't be afraid to post. The worst that can happen is someone saying SEARCH.

[Chimera]

Name the nozzles in the drywell from top to bottom, describe the differences of the three types of pwr steam generators, recite the nuclides, their energies, emissions, and origins confronted in our discipline, state the fundamental regulations and texts fundamental to our endeavor, give examples of application of the radioactive decay formula and the inverse square law and, most importantly, tell me, in response to the concerns of my wife, my mother,  my sister and my children, why and how am I safe... and you,  one of only 1000 contract Radiation Protection Technicians in the country that created this, the inheritor of one hundred years of our pursuit, tell me, in all sincerity, that this is only a job.

We've talked about this in the past.  While I agree with most of the things on your list, some things don't need to be kept inside your head, e.g., the nozzles. 

If I have to cover work on one or more of the nozzles, I'll be told who to go with and/or where to go in excrutiating detail before I ever suit up.  Too many times in the past I've been told how to get to the nozzle being worked on only to find - once I get there - that the drawing was made from the inside of the vessel looking out instead of the outside of the vessel looking in and the resident "expert" didn't know that.  Then again, maybe I take too many things for granted because of the years I've been doing this.

Insofar as the the radionuclides are concerned, why memorize what already exists in many reference materials that are easy to check into.  In the bad old days, when we had to hand-identify the radionuclides, I knew most of them by heart.  Nowadays, the computer does that for me.

Explaining to your family (and mine, for that matter) that we are safe has been an on-going discussion for many decades, now.  Seeing the culture of ignorance that was cultivated in the early days of what is now DOE work has made me even more sensitive to that topic and has broadened my frame of reference considerably.

As to your book . . . keep up the good work.  You have successfully codefied what used to be only word-of-mouth knowledge for all to use.  I am impressed with the level of detail you have managed to include without making it boring.  When I first started doing this for a living some forty years ago, I was amazed at the apparent level of knowledge my road-tech mentors seemed to have.  I would have killed for your reference material back then.  All we had was Moe and Cember - and the occasional set of notes from some house-tech training class when we could get copies of them.  Despite all the reference materials I have gathered over the years, your book gets referenced more often than not when I'm trying to help newer Techs learn things.  With all the lay-offs going on in the DOE world right now, it is an excellent source for helping those RCTs who are interested in the power plant world get on the step as they prepare to change environments.

And, just between you and me, I pay more attention to the titles and authors of the books I read nowadays.  That rebuke still stings.

Have a happy New Year, Bill.  I hope I run into you again on the road.

Michael

[Fermi2]

WTH is a Drywell Nozzle?

[Wlrun3]

Thank you Michael,

It's quite a privilege to know one of the few classic road techs.

You step into the drywell through the personnel hatch.

You are on the first of four floors with the basement beneath you.

On the second floor are 12 recirculation system nozzels. Two N1 suction nozzels on opposite sides of the reactor vessel, N1A serving as the zero degree point for the entire drywell, proceding clockwise from above and ten N2 discharge nozzels, N2A-K, there is no N2I.

On the third floor N4 nozzels, feedwater, typically four.

On the fouth floor, N3 nozzels, steam, typically four.


H3-tritium
   The basis of the bomb whose yield has no limit.
C14
   Carbon dating revolutionized our view of time.
N16
   Astonishingly powerful gamma.
Co60
   The famous gamma power plant nuclide.
Sr90
   Pure beta bomb product.
I131
   Gas like fission product famous at power plants.
C137
   Gamma bomb product.
Rn222
   The famous radon gas of basements and power plant exits.
U238
   The mother of all nuclides.
Pu239
   The scariest of all nuclides.
  

[Marlin]

Pu239
   The scariest of all nuclides.

Alexander Litvinenko would say that was Polonium-210

[Wlrun3]

Would they have offered him lung lavage.

[Marlin]

Would they have offered him lung lavage.

I don't think that would have helped it was slipped into his tea.

[S T I G]

depends on who made it and what gen it is

Westinghouse U-Tube
B&W Once Through
Horizontal

Americum241/a,SF/432yrs/smoke detectors
californium252/a,g/2.6yrs/moisture content measurements
carbon14/everything
cesium137/biomedical/b,g/30yr
cobalt60/everything/b,g/5.26yr
curium244/mining/a,g,n/18yr
Iodine131/biomedical/b,g/8.1d
iridium192/Engineering & biomedical/b,g/74d
Phosphorus32/biomedical/b/14.3d
Phosphorus33/biomedical
Polonium210/film
Plutonium238/NASA
plutonium239/Energy/a/24,100yrs
Promethium147/industry

Polonium210/assassinations /a/138.4

radium226/lighting rods!!!!/a,b,g/1,602yrs
selenium75/biomedical
sodium24/industry
strontium85/biomedical
strontium90/dosimetry & biomedical/b/28yrs
sulphur35/biomedical
Techetium99/biomedical
Thallium/biomedical
Thallium204/dosimetry & industry
Thorium229/industry
Thorium230/industry
thorium232/a/14,000,000,000yrs
Tritium H3/biomedical & industry/b/12.5yr
xenon133/biomedical
Uranium234/dental
Uranium235/Energy & industry/a/710,000,000yrs

10CFR835
10CFR20
lco,nuregs, site specific manuals,ansi’s etc


not going to bother with showing calculations every RCT knows

gonna pass

[Fermi2]

Alexander Litvinenko would say that was Polonium-210

Polonium 210 is BY far the scariest... Pu 239 doesn't even rank.

[Fermi2]

Thank you Michael,

It's quite a privilege to know one of the few classic road techs.

You step into the drywell through the personnel hatch.

You are on the first of four floors with the basement beneath you.

On the second floor are 12 recirculation system nozzels. Two N1 suction nozzels on opposite sides of the reactor vessel, N1A serving as the zero degree point for the entire drywell, proceding clockwise from above and ten N2 discharge nozzels, N2A-K, there is no N2I.

On the third floor N4 nozzels, feedwater, typically four.

On the fouth floor, N3 nozzels, steam, typically four.


H3-tritium
   The basis of the bomb whose yield has no limit.
C14
   Carbon dating revolutionized our view of time.
N16
   Astonishingly powerful gamma.
Co60
   The famous gamma power plant nuclide.
Sr90
   Pure beta bomb product.
I131
   Gas like fission product famous at power plants.
C137
   Gamma bomb product.
Rn222
   The famous radon gas of basements and power plant exits.
U238
   The mother of all nuclides.
Pu239
   The scariest of all nuclides.
  

You mean RPV NOZZLES? No such thing as a Drywell nozzle.

[Wlrun3]

In the book The Uranium People, Leona Marshall Libby Woods, Fermi's assistant at Chicago and famously the only woman, describes a moment when, having found a mistake in Fermi's calculations, they presented him with the correct calculation. He said, as he was prone to, affectionately, "You see, just as I said".

She describes a moment when a group of them stood, dumbfounded, as he casually listed a series of the most obscure and infrequented neutron interaction cross sections.

 "In science, particularly in physics or engineering education, a Fermi problem, Fermi question, or Fermi estimate is an estimation problem designed to teach dimensional analysis, approximation, and the importance of clearly identifying one's assumptions."

As I stared at his chair at the B reactor at Hanford, knowing that he knew exactly what they were doing, I wondered...clearly identify one's assumptions.

[Marlin]

I just joined (recent Rad Pro graduate), looked at some of the READ THIS FIRSTs, and read some of the hotter discussion topics and now I am scared to post something in fear of retribution .

Hmmm two days later and 25 posts to date. 

[S T I G]

Hmmm two days later and 25 posts to date. 

I've got a lot of spare time on my hands

[Content1]

I just joined (recent Rad Pro graduate), looked at some of the READ THIS FIRSTs, and read some of the hotter discussion topics and now I am scared to post something in fear of retribution .

This forum can get to be like the TV show "Shark tank" except with real sharks with an attitude.  You had good reason to be concerned; or you may be fine.

[Wlrun3]

A ship in harbor is safe, but what are ships for.

[BuddyThePug]

A ship in harbor is safe, but what are ships for.

Men are meant to be on ships, and ships are meant to be at sea,

Haze Grey and Underway (on nuclear power) makes for a Fine Navy Day! 

[S T I G]

I'm not scared to post anymore.

[RDTroja]

I'm not scared to post anymore.

We noticed.