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Offline Tylor

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NEC Admin Issue, any advice?
« on: Mar 10, 2016, 11:52 »
So I have a pretty unique situation, from what I've come accross, and it's giving me headaches trying to get my instructor NEC from the s8g prototype.

So I was one of the top in my class, but wasn't initially selected to be an instructor from my graduating class. Instead I stayed at NPTU after graduation, because I was on hold awaiting the results of my STA-21 package. My hold period was going to be about 8 months, so I chose to help support the watchbill, and I qualified as an S8G instructor. I went to Basic Instructor Training school, qualified as an instructor, went in to maintenance quals and more senior quals after graduating, and was eventually told by both my plant master chief and plant executive officer that since I had already been an instructor for months, that if I was not selected for STA-21, that I would be staying at S8g prototype as an instructor.

A few more months down the road, I am not selected for STA-21, but I wasn't upset, I loved my job and was excited to finish off a SPU tour at S8G. What happened instead is that I was told there were no billets for electrician instructors available, and that I had a week to check out of the command and report to my boat. I had already reenlisted because I was told I had to reenlist for my SPU tour, but I assumed since I had gone through all that extra work to support my division I assumed that at the very least I would have qualified for an instructor NEC, which is very useful for people like me, who want to continue being an instructor on my next shore duty.

That leads me to my issue after getting to my boat I realized I was not given my 9502 (instructor NEC) and when I called admin and the CCC for s8g prototype, I was basically accused of trying to work the system and told that since I wasn't given orders to S8G that I was not eligible for an instructor NEC.

Is my CCC right and I just wasted 8 months of my life working my ass off to support a watchbill, or is there something I can do? Also if I was never qualified to be an instructor, what about the hundreds of students who's qualifications I signed? If anyone can actually get my in contact with anyone from the S8g chain of command, I would appreciate it, I have limited resources from my boat and a high OPTEMPO hasn't made it easier. I've only been able to contact the admin office and CCC so far.

Thanks for your time, and I appreciate any responses.
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Re: NEC Admin Issue, any advice?
« Reply #1 on: Mar 11, 2016, 09:06 »
Needs of the Navy. Get everything in writing. Consider it a lessons learned.

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« Reply #2 on: Mar 11, 2016, 10:50 »
Needs of the Navy. Get everything in writing. Consider it a lessons learned.

Exactly.

I'm assuming that you still get a transfer eval when you change commands. Does it say on your eval that you successfully completed BIT and the various quals? If not, then it didn't happen. I stayed on at NNPS as Staff Admin for 5 months back in '86 and my transfer eval accurately reflected what I accomplished during that time. (Not that I ever considered the possibility of failing out of prototype and cross-rating to a Personnelman)

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« Reply #3 on: Mar 11, 2016, 12:47 »
Sure this is not what you want to hear but you still delayed 8 months in leaving prototype and "working your butt off" to support a watchbill is never a waste of time.  When I was a student at NPTU I was told that I had been selected for SPU after being told to put in a package.  I was issued staff qual cards and started standing U/I watches at shutdown watchstations.  I was at NY renting a place with my pregnant wife.  My landlord wintered in Florida and he flew back to draft us a new lease for our rental.  On the day I was scheduled for my Plant Manager interview I was informed that my package for staff pick-up had been denied by NR due to the percentage of SPU's that were taking up staff billets.  I was pretty upset, but in the end it worked out for me.  I went to my first boat and ended up going to staff duty at NPS a year early because, as you say, I worked my butt off on my first boat.

As alluded to in the other posts, the facts are in your evals.  If it's not in your eval or Page 4 of your service record you will have a hard time proving it, especially since you've already left.  Best of Luck.

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Re: NEC Admin Issue, any advice?
« Reply #4 on: Mar 11, 2016, 01:23 »
sometimes you get the good deal, sometimes the bad deal,...

sometimes both in one, it just depends on your perspective,...

check your PMs,... 8)

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Re: NEC Admin Issue, any advice?
« Reply #5 on: Mar 11, 2016, 07:22 »
I appreciate the help, I do have all my quals in my transfer eval, so I'm glad to hear those will count for something.

GLW, I did read your PM and found it very helpful, thank you.

My main concern is that I want to be a NPS/NFAS instructor for my shore duty. Since its such a competitive billet to get I assumed that having an instructor NEC would put me above others going for the billet. (obviously alongside all the requirements to be an NNPTC insructor, EWS, LPO, etc)
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Re: NEC Admin Issue, any advice?
« Reply #6 on: Mar 12, 2016, 09:48 »
My main concern is that I want to be a NPS/NFAS instructor for my shore duty. Since its such a competitive billet to get I assumed that having an instructor NEC would put me above others going for the billet. (obviously alongside all the requirements to be an NNPTC insructor, EWS, LPO, etc)
If you are a 'due course' Sailor you will almost assuredly go to prototype for your first shore tour, regardless of what NEC you earn. You are expected to make chief by your second tour, and need to qualify and STAND EWS in order to do that.

http://www.public.navy.mil/bupers-npc/enlisted/community/nuclear/Documents/SSF%20Graphic.pdf

I'm sorry you got a bit of a 'raw deal' by re-enlisting on a verbal promise of a SPU tour... your leadership at prototype should have provided better guidance to you to manage your expectations that the SPU tour was not guaranteed. However, your effort isn't 'wasted' since your experience will help you get qualified more quickly on the boat.

Whatever you do, do NOT show up to the boat and tell everyone how the Navy screwed you. Put your head down, continue to work hard, and get qualified. When you are standing SRO on a midwatch one night 20 months from your report date, maybe then you can share your story.
« Last Edit: Mar 12, 2016, 10:05 by spekkio »

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« Reply #7 on: Mar 12, 2016, 01:03 »

....I'm sorry you got a bit of a 'raw deal' by re-enlisting on a verbal promise of a SPU tour...


not especially a raw deal, just one of those things where folks assumed the OP was adept at looking out for themselves based on past demonstrated performance, and then the Chiefs, XOs,  et al, dropped the ball on discerning the OPs perceptions,...

happens everywhere; USN, CIVLANT,...everywhere,....

as to the OP, Tylor could revisit this series of posts from 14 months ago:

https://www.nukeworker.com/forum/index.php/topic,38593.msg185897.html#msg185897

they are as relevant to his current scenario as they were then,...perhaps even more so now,...

good luck, if you like it: keep on reupping, the USN NNPP was the easiest job I have ever had,...

if you do not like it; EAOS will come,...EAOS will come,...   8)

been there, dun that,... the doormat to hell does not read "welcome", the doormat to hell reads "it's just business"

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« Reply #8 on: Mar 12, 2016, 03:27 »
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not especially a raw deal, just one of those things where folks assumed the OP was adept at looking out for themselves based on past demonstrated performance, and then the Chiefs, XOs,  et al, dropped the ball on discerning the OPs perceptions,...

happens everywhere; USN, CIVLANT,...everywhere,....
It's poor leadership, wherever/whenever it does happen.

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« Reply #9 on: Mar 12, 2016, 03:53 »
It's poor leadership, wherever/whenever it does happen.

okay, since we're paring it down to absolutes: then it's USN poor leadership for this situation,...

your Navy, your Chiefs, your XOs,...

.... and was eventually told by both my plant master chief and plant executive officer that since I had already been an instructor for months, that if I was not selected for STA-21, that I would be staying at S8g prototype as an instructor....

« Last Edit: Mar 12, 2016, 04:27 by GLW »

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« Reply #10 on: Mar 12, 2016, 04:31 »
okay, since we're paring it down to absolutes: then it's USN poor leadership for this situation,...

your Navy, your Chiefs, your XOs,...
Glad we agree

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« Reply #11 on: Mar 12, 2016, 04:38 »
Never trust anyone wearing khaki. Remember that.

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« Reply #12 on: Mar 12, 2016, 07:17 »
Glad we agree

we do not,...

from the absolute point of view that the blueshirt has no personal accountability to "trust but verify" the falsehoods his CPOs and Commissioned Officers will use to achieve their short term goal regardless of the blueshirt's perceptions is a Navy ethics issue,...

in CIVLANT & CIVPAC those precepts of institutional good motherhood or poor parenting do not apply,...

which is why the answering posts to the OP from those who have been there and dun that focus on lesson learned, get it in writing, stick to the written facts, trust but verify,...

because, out here, if you get rooked; you were ill prepared,...

if you do not like the deal before or after or sans the rook,....you walk,...

leadership?!?!?

it's innate, cannot be taught, if it could be taught then an MCPO and an XO would not have set up this blueshirt for distress,...

I am certain that MCPO and that XO have been to and through LOTS of fine Navy leadership training,...

and yet they failed,...

because leadership is innate,...

an absolute point of view,...

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« Reply #13 on: Mar 12, 2016, 08:44 »
Wait long ago I said essentially the same thing here and set off an epic string of rants.

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« Reply #14 on: Mar 12, 2016, 09:08 »
Wait long ago I said essentially the same thing here and set off an epic string of rants.

yup you did,...

https://www.nukeworker.com/forum/index.php/topic,26372.0.html

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« Reply #15 on: Mar 13, 2016, 08:19 »
Never trust anyone wearing khaki. Remember that.



Everyone wears khakie these days....

Cheers,

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« Reply #16 on: Mar 13, 2016, 08:29 »

Everyone wears khakie these days....

Cheers,

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It'll do,...

I've never liked the C Cap,...
« Last Edit: Mar 13, 2016, 10:48 by GLW »

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« Reply #17 on: Mar 13, 2016, 09:33 »


Everyone wears khakie these days....

Cheers,

GC


Lol dangit man!

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« Reply #18 on: Mar 13, 2016, 06:00 »
we do not,... in CIVLANT & CIVPAC those precepts of institutional good motherhood or poor parenting do not apply,...
It's not about motherhood or parenting. Do you think it's reasonable for junior personnel to know that their leadership has absolutely no power to keep him as a staff instructor? I don't. He hasn't been around long enough to know 'who's who in the zoo,' and one has to make a reasonable assumption at some point that if a person in his chain of command (or civilian management structure) makes a promise, then he has the authority to keep it.

Verbal agreements also have legal consequences outside of the military. If your boss misleads you in COMCIVLANT, you can at a minimum quit for greener pastures. If you can prove that he promised you compensation you did not receive, you can file for legal action. If you can prove a manager made a promise he can't possibly keep, which is the case here with the master chief and XO, that manager would be fired.

What happened to OP is the military equivalent of being told he is hired at a job... then after he moves all of his stuff to re-locate and start work on Monday, the hiring manager calls and says 'nevermind, we hired someone else... and by the way the person who interviewed you doesn't actually have the authority to even extend a job offer to you, but we're going to keep him around and promote him next year anyway. We're not sure how you even got his info, but you shouldn't try to work around our normal hiring processes.' That company would be in a heck of a lot of hot water.

There are aspects of leadership that are innate, there are aspects that can be taught. The acts of ensuring that your people walk away with realistic expectations and a full understanding of all possible outcomes fall in the latter category, and so does knowing the bounds of your authority.
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« Reply #19 on: Mar 13, 2016, 06:13 »
Wow so all the procedures I had to follow were "leadership". Who'd of thunk

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« Reply #20 on: Mar 13, 2016, 08:04 »

....Verbal agreements also have legal consequences outside of the military. If your boss misleads you in COMCIVLANT, you can at a minimum quit for greener pastures. If you can prove that he promised you compensation you did not receive, you can file for legal action....


if it is not in writing,......no,....been there,...dun that,...

you can file for cheese from the moon, if it is not in writing, you will not get it,...


..........If you can prove a manager made a promise he can't possibly keep, which is the case here with the master chief and XO, that manager would be fired.......


not when he's the bosses kin,....been there,...dun that,...

and I am sure the MCPO and the XO (aka khaki kin) still have their jobs at NPTU,...


What happened to OP is the military equivalent of being told he is hired at a job... then after he moves all of his stuff to re-locate and start work on Monday, the hiring manager calls and says 'nevermind, we hired someone else... and by the way the person who interviewed you doesn't actually have the authority to even extend a job offer to you, but we're going to keep him around and promote him next year anyway. We're not sure how you even got his info, but you shouldn't try to work around our normal hiring processes.' That company would be in a heck of a lot of hot water....


if it is not in writing,...no,...been there,...dun that,....


....There are aspects of leadership that are innate, there are aspects that can be taught. The acts of ensuring that your people walk away with realistic expectations and a full understanding of all possible outcomes fall in the latter category, and so does knowing the bounds of your authority.....


leadership is innate, management is taught,...

the only singular message I take away from the oft quoted previous post is:

do not trust CPOs, SCPOs, MCPOs or Commissioned Officers,....get it in writing,... 'cause they lie,...

I did not begin with that perception, but I have been well schooled over the last few rebuttals and teachable moments,... :stupidme:

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« Reply #21 on: Mar 14, 2016, 06:36 »
if it is not in writing,......no,....been there,...dun that,...
You are 100% wrong.
http://law.justia.com/cases/oklahoma/supreme-court/1962/36196.html

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« Reply #22 on: Mar 14, 2016, 10:41 »
You are 100% wrong.
http://law.justia.com/cases/oklahoma/supreme-court/1962/36196.html

OMG, now you're a sea lawyer!!!! :P :P ;) :) 8)

first, I am not wrong, because I do not abide in Oklahoma, and never have, although I have visited Tulsa a time or two,...

the case presented from your google search is in the jurisdiction of Oklahoma; jurisdiction is important, witnesses are important, evidence such as receipts for goods on the same day as the handshake agreement are important,...

so,....

lemme help:

the OPs jurisdiction is the USN,...

the OP acquired and completed qual cards as a result of the "promise", of the "verbal contract",...

by your legal deduction and assessment of the leadership fail at NPTU, the OP should be able to go to JAG and sue for his billet, and as a result of the behaviour unbecoming an officer and a gentleman, the XO should be canned and/or dealt a career ending FITREP, and the MCPO at least one lousy Chief EVAL,...

if the OP cannot acquire the billet because the billet did not or does not exist, then the OP should have legal and enforceable redress under the UCMJ or civil law or whichever jurisdiction applies (perhaps the State of New York?),...

that would all be the proper, legal recourse to the OP?!?!?!,...

(I don't think so, and I suspect the JAG would back up my deduction),....
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« Reply #23 on: Mar 14, 2016, 11:05 »
Exactly what GLW said.

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« Reply #24 on: Mar 14, 2016, 01:46 »
Never trust anyone wearing khaki. Remember that.
Never trust anyone who tells you not trust anyone wearing khaki.
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« Reply #25 on: Mar 14, 2016, 01:47 »
Never trust anyone wearing khaki. Remember that.

 :o

Never trust anyone who tells you not trust anyone wearing khaki.

 ROFL ROFL ROFL

we are quickly running out of people to trust,... [Flamer]

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« Reply #26 on: Mar 14, 2016, 01:50 »
Lol

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« Reply #27 on: Mar 15, 2016, 02:48 »
OMG, now you're a sea lawyer!!!! :P :P ;) :) 8)
No, I just understand that an agreement is an agreement, regardless of whether or not it exists on paper. The absence of a written agreement simply makes the case harder to prove in court, but not insurmountable.

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the case presented from your google search is in the jurisdiction of Oklahoma; jurisdiction is important, witnesses are important, evidence such as receipts for goods on the same day as the handshake agreement are important,...
You will find similar laws in virtually every jurisdiction. I'm not going to do your HW for you here; you originally stated that people cannot be held accountable for agreements unless they are in writing, and you are 100% wrong.

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the OPs jurisdiction is the USN,...

I said quite clearly that IF the OP were not in the Navy, the people who misled him would be liable for making an agreement they can't uphold. I acknowledge that this is the Navy, which is why I said that his leadership failed him.

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by your legal deduction and assessment of the leadership fail at NPTU, the OP should be able to go to JAG and sue for his billet, and as a result of the behaviour unbecoming an officer and a gentleman, the XO should be canned and/or dealt a career ending FITREP, and the MCPO at least one lousy Chief EVAL,...

if the OP cannot acquire the billet because the billet did not or does not exist, then the OP should have legal and enforceable redress under the UCMJ or civil law or whichever jurisdiction applies (perhaps the State of New York?),...

that would all be the proper, legal recourse to the OP?!?!?!,...

(I don't think so, and I suspect the JAG would back up my deduction),....
OP could attempt to file an IG report against the command at NPTU for this, particularly since he was coaxed into reenlisting under the pretext that he would stay at prototype as a staff instructor. I'm not sure whether that would go anywhere, that would be very dependent on what (if any) records were kept about OP's discussions with the XO/MCPO, and failing that what they said in subsequent interviews. If the IG found anything of substance, then the write-up would make it into the XO's record and he would not screen for subsequent statutory or administrative promotions.

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leadership is innate, management is taught,...
They mean virtually the same thing, particularly in the context which I used the word. That's your lookup. Now you're trying to be the sea-lawyer.
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« Reply #28 on: Mar 15, 2016, 08:31 »
......Now you're trying to be the sea-lawyer.

sure, but that's my nature,... ;)

So,…
Let me state that I stand by my first assessment, to wit (in many more words than originally posted):

The OP perceived from the MCPO and the XO that IF he qualified as an instructor he would be an instructor, he would be a SPU, he would stay on at NPTU and he would achieve his secondary goal (IF STA-21 did not pan out) of being an instructor and gaining the NEC he coveted,…

I would be willing to bet several dollars to several donuts that the MCPO and the XO never made or implied such a deal, I would posit that at the most liberal interpretation of the scenario; that the MCPO and the XO made notice to or implied to the OP that IF the OP achieved the aforementioned quals THEN MAYBE the OP could qualify for and attain a SPU billet (NoN et al),…

Now as to the OP; the more invested the OP makes himself into the process, the higher the expectation of complete delivery of all goals as envisioned by the OP,…

As to the MCPO and XO; while contemporaneously dealing with dozens upon dozens of trainees, SPU wannabes, ELT wannabes, AcBoard candidates, STA-21 candidates et al, a hard charging and demonstrated self-reliant sailor sea warrior such as the OP, does not require (nor desire) obligatory follow ups (aka babysitting) vis a vis the OP’s perception of input versus delivery of reward,…
So IF some persons consider a failure to babysit as a failure of leadership I find that paradigm unfoundable and dam disrespectful,…

Blueshirts in the NNPP, who are candidates for STA-21, who are demonstrated performers in the NNPP, who are expected to be able to support themselves on the economy and comport their legal, financial, professional, military, personal and ethical venues maturely and in a manner not to bring discredit to themselves or the Naval Service DO NOT NEED TO BE BABYSAT, they are men and women, not girls and boys,…

Directly to the point:

The OP signed a written contract (reenlistment), IF the OP wanted to be assured he would be a SPU, THEN “SPU” should have been in that contract (get it in writing, check your documents, lessons learned et al),…

So, the OP took too much for granted, and then the OP was distressed, the folks at nukeworker.com who have been there and dun that advised the OP to take this as a teachable moment, that even the smartest and most motivated can lapse into complacency, and complacency breeds buzzkill, ergo: get it in writing, check your documents, lessons learned et al, but they did not offer solace to the OP to BLAME the Chiefs and the Officers for not holding the OPs hand,…

THAT perception came from an Officer,…

So, who demonstrates sincere respect for the OP and what he has achieved to date:

The been there and dun thats coaching him on how to better be accountable to himself in the future?!?!?!?

OR

the O-ganger who deigns scant respect for the blueshirt’s ability or accountability to properly exercise self-determination?!?!?!?

Complacency is a state of mind that exists only in retrospective: it has to be shattered before being ascertained.

V. Nabokov


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You can enjoy the ride.

geez, I'm not even enamored of khakis and here I am supporting them against one of their own,...

almost forgot (sic) for beercourt,...
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Re: NEC Admin Issue, any advice?
« Reply #29 on: Mar 15, 2016, 08:52 »

 
...I said quite clearly that IF the OP were not in the Navy, the people who misled him would be liable for making an agreement they can't uphold. I acknowledge that this is the Navy, which is why I said that his leadership failed him....


you'll have to identify where you stated that quite clearly,...

I do not see it,... [sherlock]

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« Reply #30 on: Mar 15, 2016, 09:17 »
I appreciate all the inputs, as far as the word of my 8XO and Plant Master Chief, I went to a career development board shortly after I qualified as an instructor, I voiced my concerns about not knowing how long I would be in NY, and they both assured me that I would absolutely be staying in New York as a staff pickup if I wasn't chosen for STA-21.

Since this was done in a career development board, I assumed with such a definitive statement that there was something in writing, and I was excited. I was also told that I would have to re-enlist to be an instructor. I also would have to re-enlist if I was picked up STA-21, so I re-enlisted, as both options required it.

I learned a valuable lesson, get it in writing.

Most of this doesn't address my question though. Now that I have been sent to a submarine, I want to make sure I have recognition for the work I put in. I made an effort to get all my quals in writing while I was there, including a transfer eval.

The actual question I have is how do I now get my instructor NEC if the CCC tells me it's not going to happen. If I am legitimately unqualified for the NEC then something tells me I was unqualified to be an instructor, and that the hundreds of students I helped qualify should be recalled from the fleet, and I should be court marshalled. Something tells me that isn't the case..
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« Reply #31 on: Mar 15, 2016, 09:29 »
I appreciate all the inputs,....


well dam, spekkio is correct, Officers and Chiefs are not to be trusted and they do collude to lie for short term personal gain,...

I am wrong,...

so much for assuming there is such a thing as conduct becoming an officer and a gentleman,...

so the OP can refer back to the earlier PM, perhaps you can get that re-enlisment voided and just cut your way loose form the Navy two years or so earlier than they currently expect you to EAOS,...

something tells me there will not be court martials or unqualified watchstanders anytime soon,... [coffee]

just same ole, same ole,... :P ;) :) 8)

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« Reply #32 on: Mar 15, 2016, 10:06 »
Haha, well I haven't lost faith in the Navy yet. I still love my job and I don't regret re-enlisting. I got orders to a great boat out of San diego, but explaining my situation is always a fun story. I really just want my NEC.

Luckily I just got ahold of the plant master chief, who's since retired and he put me in contact with the current pant master chief, so hopefully I'm in good hands. Thank you for all your help, this forum has helped me out with a lot of my questions over the years.
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« Reply #33 on: Mar 16, 2016, 05:07 »
Haha, well I haven't lost faith in the Navy yet. I still love my job and I don't regret re-enlisting. I got orders to a great boat out of San diego, but explaining my situation is always a fun story. I really just want my NEC.

Luckily I just got ahold of the plant master chief, who's since retired and he put me in contact with the current pant master chief, so hopefully I'm in good hands. Thank you for all your help, this forum has helped me out with a lot of my questions over the years.

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« Reply #34 on: Mar 16, 2016, 08:00 »
I appreciate all the inputs, as far as the word of my 8XO and Plant Master Chief, I went to a career development board shortly after I qualified as an instructor, I voiced my concerns about not knowing how long I would be in NY, and they both assured me that I would absolutely be staying in New York as a staff pickup if I wasn't chosen for STA-21.

Since this was done in a career development board, I assumed with such a definitive statement that there was something in writing, and I was excited. I was also told that I would have to re-enlist to be an instructor. I also would have to re-enlist if I was picked up STA-21, so I re-enlisted, as both options required it.

I learned a valuable lesson, get it in writing.

Most of this doesn't address my question though. Now that I have been sent to a submarine, I want to make sure I have recognition for the work I put in. I made an effort to get all my quals in writing while I was there, including a transfer eval.

The actual question I have is how do I now get my instructor NEC if the CCC tells me it's not going to happen. If I am legitimately unqualified for the NEC then something tells me I was unqualified to be an instructor, and that the hundreds of students I helped qualify should be recalled from the fleet, and I should be court marshalled. Something tells me that isn't the case..


Receiving the instructor NEC at NPTU is based on the billet as well as the qual. You never had the billet, so you don't get the NEC, hopefully it showed up on your transfer eval.

The T-10 does have allowances for allowing qualified students to sign qual cards (it's been a couple years, so I don't remember them exactly).

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« Reply #35 on: Mar 16, 2016, 08:35 »
There is a form to get an NEC.  Fill it out and route it up your chain of command.  Surely somebody at NPTU (khaki or not) remembers the career review board, so if you need a statement for your NEC package, that may be useful.  BTW, unless you radio'd the checkouts you signed off, there should not be an issue with any qual cards you signed.  Not having the NEC should not prevent you from going to NNPTC for shore duty as long as you meet all the requirements.  Qualifying EWS is probably the most important thing you can do to earn an instructor billet at NNPTC.
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« Reply #36 on: Mar 16, 2016, 09:02 »
Derek,

Don't they document career review boards?

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« Reply #37 on: Mar 16, 2016, 10:56 »
sure, but that's my nature,... ;)

So,…
Let me state that I stand by my first assessment, to wit (in many more words than originally posted):

The OP perceived from the MCPO and the XO that IF he qualified as an instructor he would be an instructor, he would be a SPU, he would stay on at NPTU and he would achieve his secondary goal (IF STA-21 did not pan out) of being an instructor and gaining the NEC he coveted,…

I would be willing to bet several dollars to several donuts that the MCPO and the XO never made or implied such a deal, I would posit that at the most liberal interpretation of the scenario; that the MCPO and the XO made notice to or implied to the OP that IF the OP achieved the aforementioned quals THEN MAYBE the OP could qualify for and attain a SPU billet (NoN et al),…

Neither you nor I were there during the conversations. OP is claiming that the promise was much more concrete. Kind of like how PERS-42 keeps doling out homeport guarantees, but then doesn't honor them.

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As to the MCPO and XO; while contemporaneously dealing with dozens upon dozens of trainees, SPU wannabes, ELT wannabes, AcBoard candidates, STA-21 candidates et al, a hard charging and demonstrated self-reliant sailor sea warrior such as the OP, does not require (nor desire) obligatory follow ups (aka babysitting) vis a vis the OP’s perception of input versus delivery of reward,…
So IF some persons consider a failure to babysit as a failure of leadership I find that paradigm unfoundable and dam disrespectful,…

Blueshirts in the NNPP, who are candidates for STA-21, who are demonstrated performers in the NNPP, who are expected to be able to support themselves on the economy and comport their legal, financial, professional, military, personal and ethical venues maturely and in a manner not to bring discredit to themselves or the Naval Service DO NOT NEED TO BE BABYSAT, they are men and women, not girls and boys,…

Directly to the point:

The OP signed a written contract (reenlistment), IF the OP wanted to be assured he would be a SPU, THEN “SPU” should have been in that contract (get it in writing, check your documents, lessons learned et al),…


Again, this has nothing to do with babysitting and everything to do with individuals being mindful of the responsibility that comes with their authority. Namely, when someone who is an E-9 or O-4 says "I can make this happen," whatever this is, someone who has been in the Navy for about a year is inclined to believe them. It's a shame that OP probably can't seek accountability for this, partly because there's no record of it and partly because the senior ranking members will be given the benefit of the doubt.

What OP should have asked is how the SPU process normally works before signing a continued service agreement... but this goes back to OP not being around long enough in the Navy to know better, and his leadership not correctly guiding him through the process. This is not any knock against 'blueshirt' thing; junior sailors and officers need to be properly mentored.

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well dam, spekkio is correct, Officers and Chiefs are not to be trusted and they do collude to lie for short term personal gain,...
You have me confused for Redux. I don't suspect malice, just shortcomings.

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you'll have to identify where you stated that quite clearly,...
My post at 1800 the other day.
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« Reply #38 on: Mar 16, 2016, 11:38 »
Receiving the instructor NEC at NPTU is based on the billet as well as the qual. You never had the billet, so you don't get the NEC, hopefully it showed up on your transfer eval.

That's what NAVPERS 18068F says. Completion of BIT and transfer to a billet. Note 2. "...may be awarded this NEC code upon transfer to instructor billets in these UICs."

Interesting word choice of "may" and not "shall". It's not like "shall" isn't used liberally through out the manual. Then again, I'd make a piss poor sea lawyer. ;D

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« Reply #39 on: Mar 16, 2016, 12:04 »
.....My post at 1800 the other day.

I looked at it, clear to you 'cause you wrote it, not clear otherwise,...


...Again, this has nothing to do with babysitting and everything to do with individuals being mindful of the responsibility that comes with their authority. Namely, when someone who is an E-9 or O-4 says "I can make this happen," whatever this is, someone who has been in the Navy for about a year is inclined to believe them. It's a shame that OP probably can't seek accountability for this, partly because there's no record of it and partly because the senior ranking members will be given the benefit of the doubt.

What OP should have asked is how the SPU process normally works before signing a continued service agreement... but this goes back to OP not being around long enough in the Navy to know better, and his leadership not correctly guiding him through the process. This is not any knock against 'blueshirt' thing; junior sailors and officers need to be properly mentored....

Well, as more details are pulled into the discussion (conceding the details are from only one perspective) the positions shift in spite of the absolutes:

An E-9 and an O-4 promising to deliver what they cannot guarantee during a formal review board is not a shortcoming, it’s a lie,…

There are far too many years of khaki and total Naval Service represented in those two personas to dismiss what transpired as a “shortcoming”, if that is a shortcoming, the USN harbors some seriously flawed ethics,…

I know something of good mentoring by Masterchiefs and O-gangers, I was privileged to be well mentored by no fewer than four Masterchiefs during my eight year, three month and six day stint of active obligated service,…

I was also singled out for “special attention” by one E-7,…

Fortuitously, Providence put an E-9 into the retribution path of the one E-7, and I was spared the “special attention” of said E-7,…

I was well mentored by two O-5s, two O-4s, and singled out for retribution by one O-4,…

Fortuitously, Providence put an O-5 into the retribution path of the one O-4, and I was spared the unwarranted wrath of said O-4,…

It’s not drama, quite the opposite, it’s just the USN, and I tended to be a high profile type of ELT, even though I did not try to be, it just worked out that way, never profiled for lack of competence or military bearing, always the oddball “where did that come from?” stuff,…

But I digress (because I like to tell stories),…

I still fall to the default that CPOs and O-gangers are the good guys, that blueshirts, particularly NNPP blueshirts (‘cause I was conventional before I was nuke, and I know the “other Navy”), that NNPP blueshirts need to take ownership of things like signing contracts to re-enlist (particularly as re-enlistment contracts are NOT the blueshirt’s first go around with the Needs of the Navy),…

If the OP was a nub teenage sailor who had been in the USN for about a year maybe intense mentoring (known to me as spoonfeeding) would be warranted,…

The OP has been in the Navy for more like three years, has lived on the economy in Upstate New York for over a year, the OP is more than 21YO so the OP can live on the economy AND drink in the bars on Caroline Street, and somehow the OP has comported himself well and dignified like, with no disqualifying slip ups or behaviours,…

The OP got complacent and did not get it in writing,…

Anybody who lives in New York knows if it ain’t in writing it ain’t, this place ain’t no backwoods Carolina spit and a handshake place to dwell, it’s f’in New York,…

On the plus side, the OP displays a commendable attitude and the ability to own his past and his future and persevere without lapsing into bitter self-pity,…

The OP iza helluva guy,…

You are too spekkio, you just like to argue too much,…. :P ;) :) 8)

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« Reply #40 on: Mar 16, 2016, 12:27 »
Hey I have no issue with spekkios opinions or arguing or whatever. At least he thinks which to me is the overall objective. My take is this, spekkio says Mike I have a deal but I can't sign it at this time but believe I can later. I can probably accept that because of individual trust. I never trust anyone simply due to position and never have. It's worked out pretty good.

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« Reply #41 on: Mar 16, 2016, 07:46 »
Well, as more details are pulled into the discussion (conceding the details are from only one perspective) the positions shift in spite of the absolutes:

An E-9 and an O-4 promising to deliver what they cannot guarantee during a formal review board is not a shortcoming, it’s a lie,…

There are far too many years of khaki and total Naval Service represented in those two personas to dismiss what transpired as a “shortcoming”, if that is a shortcoming, the USN harbors some seriously flawed ethics,…
I wrote 'shortcoming' because I don't think that the XO and Master Chief woke up saying "today I am going to dupe someone into re-enlisting by making them a false promise to be a prototype instructor." On the other hand, I think that they had every intention of trying to keep OP as an instructor, but failed to communicate the amount of uncertainty that existed in the process.

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The OP has been in the Navy for more like three years, has lived on the economy in Upstate New York for over a year, the OP is more than 21YO so the OP can live on the economy AND drink in the bars on Caroline Street, and somehow the OP has comported himself well and dignified like, with no disqualifying slip ups or behaviours,…
All of that is irrelevant. OP is inexperienced with the Navy detailing/personnel process, regardless of age or previous life experience. That is the part that requires mentorship, and that is where his XO and MCPO failed him.


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« Reply #42 on: Mar 17, 2016, 08:19 »
The rest of his chain of command failed him as well. Someone should have realized the 8XO and PMC only make the recommendations, nobody on site has the authority to make someone a JSI. I'm kind of surprised his LCC let him go to BIT School without preliminary orders.

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« Reply #43 on: Mar 17, 2016, 08:51 »
This tells me a lot about the future for this young man:]

" Haha, well I haven't lost faith in the Navy yet. I still love my job and I don't regret re-enlisting. I got orders to a great boat out of San diego, but explaining my situation is always a fun story. I really just want my NEC."

Good luck, son.

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« Reply #44 on: Mar 17, 2016, 12:29 »
The rest of his chain of command failed him as well. Someone should have realized the 8XO and PMC only make the recommendations, nobody on site has the authority to make someone a JSI. I'm kind of surprised his LCC let him go to BIT School without preliminary orders.
Someone should have realized that the staff was trying to get an extra body on the instructor watchbill to make their lives easier without going through the proper channels to also ensure OP was selected as a SPU.

It sounds like the staff got OP to go as far as they could while he was on hold, and no one took the time to make sure that PERS was on board with the plan. PMC and XO probably figured that the staff was doing the right thing and moved onto handling closer alligators.

This should also serve a lesson to OP: When you don't have orders to a billet and someone says "Let's try to get you on the watchbill...," your spidey-sense should tingle.

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The T-10 does have allowances for allowing qualified students to sign qual cards (it's been a couple years, so I don't remember them exactly).

So the PTM at S8G (Plant training manual) says that qualified students can sign for preliminary watches, under certain specific conditions. Qualified students are not allowed by the PTM to sign anything else. Not really sure what the T-10 is, or what it says, but the guidance for training at S8G was the PTM.

Seems that the recurring theme here is that I should have gotten it in writing. I'm a little relieved that I did go so far out of my way to get it into my transfer eval, as that should help. Thank you for all the advice, and for now I'm gonna focus on being the best submarine electrician I can, and take this as a learning experience.

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« Reply #46 on: Mar 17, 2016, 09:53 »
So the PTM at S8G (Plant training manual) says that qualified students can sign for preliminary watches, under certain specific conditions. Qualified students are not allowed by the PTM to sign anything else. Not really sure what the T-10 is, or what it says, but the guidance for training at S8G was the PTM.

Seems that the recurring theme here is that I should have gotten it in writing. I'm a little relieved that I did go so far out of my way to get it into my transfer eval, as that should help. Thank you for all the advice, and for now I'm gonna focus on being the best submarine electrician I can, and take this as a learning experience.

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« Reply #47 on: Mar 17, 2016, 10:04 »
I've been on the USS Alexandria SSN 757 out of San Diego for about 2 months.
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« Reply #48 on: Mar 18, 2016, 09:33 »
Well at least you got the best duty station in the fleet - San Diego. Enjoy it.

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« Reply #49 on: Mar 19, 2016, 05:48 »
Sorry, I meant PTM. The T-10 is the equivalent of the EDM. Like I said, it's been a couple years.

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« Reply #50 on: Mar 20, 2016, 07:10 »
Im not sure if it is still the case, I got out in 2013 as an instructor at MARF, but having the NEC will not affect anything.  The only way to get an NPS billet is to have been LPO at sea as well as a prototype or other instructor (like IDE) tour.  Now of course there are a few exceptions, like making chief (but even chiefs first shore tour at NPS is rare), but that, more than likely isnt going to happen in a 3.5 - 4 year first tour.  Good luck with everything, my advice would be get EWS for > 2 years and go instant SRO at a civilian plant while the plants are still operating.

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« Reply #51 on: Mar 21, 2016, 07:25 »
Have they changed the requirements to go to NPS/NFAS?  For NPS it used to be 1st half at NPS, 1st half at NPTU qualified EWS.  For NFAS, EWS wasn't required.  If you weren't 1st half/1st half but had completed an NPTU tour, then you could get a waiver so long as you were qualified EWS.  I know multiple people who've left the Navy from NNPTC staff duty and were never NPTU instructors, including a guy that just started here at EB.
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« Reply #52 on: Mar 21, 2016, 08:44 »
In the Mid to late 80s being an EWS was not required. NPTU picked people to be EWS after they arrived though on some occasions guys would arrive with EWS orders. I think maybe 1 out of 8 arrived already as as EWS.

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Have they changed the requirements to go to NPS/NFAS?  For NPS it used to be 1st half at NPS, 1st half at NPTU qualified EWS.  For NFAS, EWS wasn't required.  If you weren't 1st half/1st half but had completed an NPTU tour, then you could get a waiver so long as you were qualified EWS.  I know multiple people who've left the Navy from NNPTC staff duty and were never NPTU instructors, including a guy that just started here at EB.

EWS required for orders to NNPTC.

They don't want E6s going there without being eligible to make chief, EWS is required for E7. Or so I have heard.

Speaking of messed up NECs, I'm still waiting on my Supervisor pay to show up on my LES.... been over 2 months since we sent the message out. ;(
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« Reply #54 on: Mar 21, 2016, 05:49 »
Speaking of messed up NECs, I'm still waiting on my Supervisor pay to show up on my LES.... been over 2 months since we sent the message out. ;(
That should show up on your next pay-stub after you file the paperwork. You should follow up with this and get your Chief/Divo involved.

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« Reply #55 on: Mar 21, 2016, 05:53 »
Update on the NEC issue: thanks to my old PMC and the current PMC it looks like I will be receiving my instructor NEC after all.

As for the last few comments about NPS/NFAS instructor positions, that's my goal for shore duty, and I absolutely already knew the requirements. I figured that if I'm up for shore duty being top half NPS/NPTU, EWS qualified, ELPO at sea, then maybe that instructor NEC would make me a bit more competitive for the position.
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Additionally, to clarify any confusion about whether EWS/PPWS is required for advancement to Chief, below is quoted from NAVADMIN 014-16:

(6) Nuclear Trained Personnel.
            (a) Submarine Sailors in nuclear ratings must hold a supervisor NEC (3363, 3364, 3365, 3366).  Additionally, these personnel must have qualified as Engineering Watch Supervisor (EWS). Acceptable documentation of EWS qualification includes an evaluation with EWS documented or a letter from the Sailors command forwarded to the board via the Sailors LTB.
            (b) Surface Sailors in nuclear ratings must hold a supervisor NEC (3393, 3394, 3395, 3396).  Additionally these personnel must have qualified as EWS or Propulsion Plant Watch Supervisor (PPWS).  Acceptable documentation of EWS or PPWS qualification includes an evaluation with EWS or PPWS documented or a letter from the Sailor's command forwarded to the board via the Sailor's LTB.

http://www.public.navy.mil/bupers-npc/reference/messages/Documents/NAVADMINS/NAV2016/NAV16014.txt

This blurb has been included in the last 3 CPO advancement cycle NAVADMINs.  IT first appeared in 2012, if I recall correctly.  Essentially, this puts in writing what had been an unwritten requirement as far back as 2000, when I was selected.

Hopefully this info helps someone in setting goals for their sea tour as well as providing sailors an idea of where to find important information for themselves and their fellow sailors.

Thanks, once again, for those who continue to serve!

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« Reply #58 on: Mar 22, 2016, 05:44 »
I think that blurb first showed up in 2010 for the FY11 selection (possibly FY12). Before that is was an unspoken requirement.

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« Reply #60 on: Mar 24, 2016, 04:02 »
That should show up on your next pay-stub after you file the paperwork. You should follow up with this and get your Chief/Divo involved.
Got an email back confirming the NEC change. That's all I needed to know :).Don't care about the money just wanted to open up more doors for orders.
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« Reply #61 on: Mar 25, 2016, 07:00 »
Got an email back confirming the NEC change. That's all I needed to know :). Don't care about the money just wanted to open up more doors for orders.
I'll never understand this mentality. You earned a bit of extra money by qualifying your supervisory NEC, and someone's incompetence prevented you from getting it. Somehow that doesn't make you really, really pissed off...

Then again, I also can't understand why people are okay with large tax returns instead of getting more money in their paychecks that they can invest into personal savings/securities accounts.

Regardless, I'm glad everything worked out for you.

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« Reply #62 on: Mar 26, 2016, 08:30 »
I'll never understand this mentality. You earned a bit of extra money by qualifying your supervisory NEC, and someone's incompetence prevented you from getting it. Somehow that doesn't make you really, really pissed off...

Then again, I also can't understand why people are okay with large tax returns instead of getting more money in their paychecks that they can invest into personal savings/securities accounts.

Regardless, I'm glad everything worked out for you.

The Instructor NEC is different than the Supervisor NEC. OP in no way shape or form meets the requirements for the 339X NEC, that requires, among other things, 6 years in (1 year can be waived, usually if you qualify PPWS/EWS), qualifying SIR, and some random qual card that came out a few years ago. None of that (other than SIR) is going to be accomplished by a JSI.

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« Reply #63 on: Mar 26, 2016, 08:43 »
The Instructor NEC is different than the Supervisor NEC. OP in no way shape or form meets the requirements for the 339X NEC, that requires, among other things, 6 years in (1 year can be waived, usually if you qualify PPWS/EWS), qualifying SIR, and some random qual card that came out a few years ago. None of that (other than SIR) is going to be accomplished by a JSI.
Jechtm isn't the OP. What are you on about?

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« Reply #64 on: Mar 26, 2016, 03:07 »
Fun fact, this year they changed the requirement for the supervisory NEC to 4 years, not 6 years. I was just looking at the instruction the other day, and I believe it's 4 years if you qualified EWS and it's 6 years if you haven't qualified EWS. Not certain, but there is a new instruction.

That being said, yeah that had nothing to do with my original question, it was someone else's question. These forums do tend to drift off topic pretty regularly. :p
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« Reply #65 on: Mar 26, 2016, 05:53 »
....That being said, yeah that had nothing to do with my original question, it was someone else's question. These forums do tend to drift off topic pretty regularly. :p

BZ's general observation on Internet forums/threads etal, By the 5th post in any thread it starts drifting off topic. By 12 to 15 it has nothing to do with the original topic and if it surives to 30 or so it magically gets back on topic. This applies almost everywhere.

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« Reply #66 on: Mar 27, 2016, 09:01 »
Outage, nights, and just got over the flu. I think I deserve a little slack for not knowing who the OP was. Although I didn't know they changed the NEC manual.

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« Reply #67 on: Mar 27, 2016, 09:34 »
Outage, nights, and just got over the flu. I think I deserve a little slack for not knowing who the OP was. Although I didn't know they changed the NEC manual.

no, no, no,...

the proper response is:

"Thank you for the peercheck.",... :P ;) :) 8)

it should be right there on the obverse of your ""2 Minute Drill" card,...

http://multi.tva.gov/contractor/instructors/ATIS00076300/HU_Tools_Student_Handout.pdf

http://nuclearsafety.info/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/Traits-of-a-Healthy-Nuclear-Safety-Culture-INPO-12-012-rev.1-Apr2013.pdf

https://www.energy-northwest.com/Documents/Employee%20Portal/INPO%20Safety%20Culture%20Traits.pdf

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« Reply #68 on: Mar 28, 2016, 08:40 »
Thank you for the coaching. An AR has been written and it will be implemented in future revisions. ;)

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« Reply #69 on: Mar 28, 2016, 09:11 »
You are welcome.  8)

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« Reply #70 on: Mar 28, 2016, 04:43 »
I'll never understand this mentality. You earned a bit of extra money by qualifying your supervisory NEC, and someone's incompetence prevented you from getting it. Somehow that doesn't make you really, really pissed off...

Then again, I also can't understand why people are okay with large tax returns instead of getting more money in their paychecks that they can invest into personal savings/securities accounts.

Regardless, I'm glad everything worked out for you.

Its back dated from when the captain signs it. So I do get the back pay ;)
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« Reply #71 on: Mar 28, 2016, 09:19 »
Its back dated from when the captain signs it. So I do get the back pay ;)
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