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3.1 ANSI Qual
« on: Nov 28, 2016, 07:59 »
I received my associates of applied science with a concentration of radiation protection (2 year associates degree), worked 1 month as a containment coordinator, and have worked 1 year 3 months as an ALARA Specialist.  I was wondering, am I 3.1 ANSI qualified (to be a technician at another plant)?  Technically, I have the 3 years experience that ANSI requires, however I am not sure how that is delegated among school "training" experience vs. in plant on the job experience.  Is anyone here an expert in this?


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« Reply #1 on: Nov 29, 2016, 12:01 »
https://www.nukeworker.com/forum/index.php/topic,4395.msg28914.html#msg28914

if you want more info try using the search bar like I did.

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Re: 3.1 ANSI Qual
« Reply #2 on: Nov 29, 2016, 07:52 »
Thank you for responding with that link.  Reading that criteria, it appears that I MAY be 3.1 qualified.  It requires 3 years experience, and my experience is listed below:
1 year (of my 4 years getting my bachelor of science) should count
1 year of my associates in RP should count
1+ year of plant working experience should count

Please someone correct me if I am wrong.  Thank you!

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Re: 3.1 ANSI Qual
« Reply #3 on: Nov 29, 2016, 09:14 »
You don't say what you want to do with this qualification. The standard is for technicians. Submit your resume, and the employer will make the decision.
Usually, classroom/technical training is limited to 1 year credit. That means that you have to have 2 years practical experience. The most challenging part of being a technician is working with the maintenance and operations disciplines (including managers & engineers). It involves understanding what they are going to do (the things that they can think of are incredible) and getting them to understanding your role as well.

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« Reply #4 on: Nov 29, 2016, 09:19 »
This certainly has been addressed by the best, Mr. Jerry Hiatt formerly of Bartlett Nuclear and now with NEI.

https://www.nukeworker.com/forum/index.php/topic,4395.msg28914.html#msg28914

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Re: 3.1 ANSI Qual
« Reply #5 on: Nov 29, 2016, 05:22 »
Thank you for responding with that link.  Reading that criteria, it appears that I MAY be 3.1 qualified.  It requires 3 years experience, and my experience is listed below:
1 year (of my 4 years getting my bachelor of science) should count
1 year of my associates in RP should count
1+ year of plant working experience should count

Please someone correct me if I am wrong.  Thank you!

ANSI 3.1 says three years, no more than one year of which can be educational time.

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Re: 3.1 ANSI Qual
« Reply #6 on: Nov 29, 2016, 06:20 »
Alot of companies won't give you the year of education until the end of your 3 year requirement (at 2 years exp, you are a 3 year tech, but you gotta have 2 full years).  But only one year counts usually, the other 2 have to be exp.  So you MIGHT qualify as an 18.1 depending on the company, but probably not 3.1 until you have 2 full years exp.

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« Reply #7 on: Nov 29, 2016, 06:32 »
"a minimum of 6 to 12 months of actual job coverage experience (depending upon the capabilities of the individual and the hazards associated with the jobs to be covered) should be obtained before an individual is considered qualified for senior technician duties"

You get a maximum of 1 year experience for all of your college.  You can have 6 Masters degrees, and you still only get 1 year.

They will credit you with 1 year for your education.
They will credit you with 1 year (perhaps 1.25 years) for your experience.
You have NO job coverage experience, so you will not be a Sr. RP (ANSI 3.1) until you acquire 1 year of job coverage experience.

I do cover this information in detail in the NUF Cram Notes (pages 132-134):

http://amzn.to/1lFJyDz

It also gives you tips on what they will look for on your resume. -- And of course, what you will need to know to pass the NUF.

You may have luck at the 18.1 Plants with your experience. -- However, I'd suggest you stick with ALARA.

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« Reply #8 on: Nov 29, 2016, 07:40 »
........You may have luck at the 18.1 Plants with your experience. -- However, I'd suggest you stick with ALARA.

supply and demand,...

it may be a tight year for having enough techs this spring,...

the 18.1s may be in a giving mood,...

if you don't get your resume out to the staffing companies and ask for those plants which are historically harder to staff, you will likely miss your window of opportunity,...

your move,...

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Re: 3.1 ANSI Qual
« Reply #9 on: Nov 30, 2016, 03:36 »
Thank you for responding with that link.  Reading that criteria, it appears that I MAY be 3.1 qualified.  It requires 3 years experience, and my experience is listed below:
1 year (of my 4 years getting my bachelor of science) should count
1 year of my associates in RP should count
1+ year of plant working experience should count
Please someone correct me if I am wrong.  Thank you!

Basically it depends on the individual site/utility that you are trying to get into.  The basic rule of thumb as to how the majority of the industry looks at 3.1 is a minimum of 3 yrs practical hands on experience in Radiation Protection OR 2 yrs experience + an AS Degree (or higher) in the Applied Sciences, specifically Radiation Protection.   Each utility has their own interpretation of the ANSI Standards, both 3.1 and 18.1.  Some are more stringent than others.  Shoot me your resume (eric.bartlett@bhienergy.com) and I can tell you exactly what level HP BHI's clients would consider you. 
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Re: 3.1 ANSI Qual
« Reply #10 on: Nov 30, 2016, 04:40 »
Basically it depends on the individual site/utility that you are trying to get into.  The basic rule of thumb as to how the majority of the industry looks at 3.1 is a minimum of 3 yrs practical hands on experience in Radiation Protection OR 2 yrs experience + an AS Degree (or higher) in the Applied Sciences, specifically Radiation Protection.   Each utility has their own interpretation of the ANSI Standards, both 3.1 and 18.1.  Some are more stringent than others.  Shoot me your resume (eric.bartlett@bhienergy.com) and I can tell you exactly what level HP BHI's clients would consider you. 

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« Reply #11 on: Nov 30, 2016, 05:03 »
You can always come down to hang out, brother. Tell your wife you're taking her on a vacation to an island. Just don't tell her it's Three Mile.
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« Reply #12 on: Nov 30, 2016, 09:00 »
You can always come down to hang out, brother. Tell your wife you're taking her on a vacation to an island. Just don't tell her it's Three Mile.

I've been to TMI twice, liked it both times,...

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Re: 3.1 ANSI Qual
« Reply #13 on: Nov 30, 2016, 11:01 »
as bin stated hear, yew ain't 3.1. if tech work is inn you're future, yule knead to git yore gloves dirty. period. as the beloved benefactor of this sight sayed, alara wood bee a good place two stay.
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Re: 3.1 ANSI Qual
« Reply #14 on: Dec 01, 2016, 04:41 »
d & z is ringing yore bell on the jobs bored two day.
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Re: 3.1 ANSI Qual
« Reply #15 on: Dec 01, 2016, 06:09 »
So what does an Alara Specialist do since they cannot provide coverage for high risk jobs without being a 3.1
I would also question the value of a 4 week stint as a containment coordinator in regards to qualifications for a Jr. HP Tech.
The bottom line as SloGo stated you need to get your hands dirty to get the experience needed to be a Sr. HP.
Every day is another career ending opportunity in Health Physics and without good training and lots of experience it becomes even easier to end on the wrong end of a termination interview.  So slow down and get some more experience.

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« Reply #16 on: Dec 01, 2016, 06:42 »
So what does an Alara Specialist do since they cannot provide coverage for high risk jobs without being a 3.1....

I'm not sure, then again the OP already knew I was not crazy on ALARA from an earlier discussion a couple of years ago (IIRC the OP started THAT one too),....


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Re: 3.1 ANSI Qual
« Reply #17 on: Dec 01, 2016, 07:15 »
ALARA Specialists can help with RWP creation, pre/post job ALARA reviews, they can hump & hang lead.... and they can estimate the dose for jobs.

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Re: 3.1 ANSI Qual
« Reply #18 on: Dec 02, 2016, 06:11 »
If I can shed some light on the OP, he's a house ALARA Specialist at a plant in the midwest. The unions don't allow members of management/company employees to swing a meter (they'll grieve you!). We happen to work for the same company, different locations. I think he was trying to see what his options are due to some instability in the region. Following the news, there was good information about those sites that came out yesterday which wasn't a foregone conclusion beforehand.
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Re: 3.1 ANSI Qual
« Reply #19 on: Dec 02, 2016, 07:12 »
Basically it depends on the individual site/utility that you are trying to get into.  The basic rule of thumb as to how the majority of the industry looks at 3.1 is a minimum of 3 yrs practical hands on experience in Radiation Protection OR 2 yrs experience + an AS Degree (or higher) in the Applied Sciences, specifically Radiation Protection.   Each utility has their own interpretation of the ANSI Standards, both 3.1 and 18.1.  Some are more stringent than others.  Shoot me your resume (eric.bartlett@bhienergy.com) and I can tell you exactly what level HP BHI's clients would consider you. 
Hah, I forgot about what you said regarding ALARA.  It's been fantastic to me thus far; ANSI qual's are important to understand when looking at supervisor positions.  I wasn't planning on becoming a tech at this time, but I wanted to understand all of my options available. 

 


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