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TVA Demonstrates Site Boundary EPZ Possible for SMRs

The NRC accepted TVA's early site permit application for the Clinch River Site for review in January 2017. As part of the review process, TVA recently provided the NRC with additional information it requested on the unique safety and performance attributes of SMRs that allow for scalable emergency planning requirements. Nuclear Energy Overview asked TVA Senior Manager for Small Modular Reactors Dan Stout to explain some of these exciting developments and what it could mean for the future of SMR and other advanced reactor projects, as TVA seeks to make a regulatory breakthrough with the NRC that could accelerate deployment and increase speed to market.

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« Reply #1 on: Nov 12, 2017, 07:28 »
Uh no they didnt.

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Re: TVA Demonstrates Site Boundary EPZ Possible for SMRs
« Reply #2 on: Nov 12, 2017, 08:34 »
woo they n watt didn't they?
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« Reply #3 on: Nov 12, 2017, 08:48 »
the NEWS TEAM threads are bot initiated and are often (annoyingly so) OBE and obsolete as "news",...

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« Reply #4 on: Nov 12, 2017, 08:56 »
the NEWS TEAM threads are bot initiated and are often (annoyingly so) OBE and obsolete as "news",...

to wit:

Clinch River's future as an SMR vanguard site effectively ended up on the dustbin of not happening on or about May of 2017,...

the NEI article from Sept. 2017 paints a rosy future using filings and docket dates from 2016 activity through to January 2017,....

yet the NEI article pays no heed to TVA's May 2017 announcements of less than little hope for SMRs at CRS,....

aka "fake news",....


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Re: TVA Demonstrates Site Boundary EPZ Possible for SMRs
« Reply #5 on: Nov 12, 2017, 10:19 »
Clinch River's future as an SMR vanguard site effectively ended up on the dustbin of not happening on or about May of 2017,...

Dimmed not dead still moving forward if you ask around here it is still simmering waiting to boil, and It is still on the books for the NRC. The last milestone 08/04/17 Preliminary Safety Evaluation Report (PSER) and Requests for Additional Information (RAIs) Issued.

https://www.nrc.gov/reactors/new-reactors/esp/clinch-river.html

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« Reply #6 on: Nov 12, 2017, 10:40 »
Dimmed not dead still moving forward if you ask around here it is still simmering waiting to boil, and It is still on the books for the NRC. The last milestone 08/04/17 Preliminary Safety Evaluation Report (PSER) and Requests for Additional Information (RAIs) Issued.

https://www.nrc.gov/reactors/new-reactors/esp/clinch-river.html


"dimmed",....okay, hold on to that, best of luck too,...

here's another "dimmed" not dead,...

https://greenvillejournal.com/2017/10/17/finish-vc-summer-reactors-repeal-base-load-act/

We should finish the VC Summer reactors and repeal the Base Load Act









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Re: TVA Demonstrates Site Boundary EPZ Possible for SMRs
« Reply #7 on: Nov 12, 2017, 10:49 »

"dimmed",....okay, hold on to that, best of luck too,...

here's another "dimmed" not dead,...

https://greenvillejournal.com/2017/10/17/finish-vc-summer-reactors-repeal-base-load-act/

We should finish the VC Summer reactors and repeal the Base Load Act










The futures so bright we gotta take the shades off.  8) Too much dust in the air to make a definitive statement. The SMR is still in the pipeline and is a DOE collaborative project, Summer is a purely commercial project that needs resuscitation, not sure that it is a good analogy.

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« Reply #8 on: Nov 12, 2017, 10:52 »
Dimmed not dead still moving forward if you ask around here it is still simmering waiting to boil, and It is still on the books for the NRC. The last milestone 08/04/17 Preliminary Safety Evaluation Report (PSER) and Requests for Additional Information (RAIs) Issued.

https://www.nrc.gov/reactors/new-reactors/esp/clinch-river.html

OBTW

I think you are not interpreting 8-4-2017 properly,...

e.g. this: Page Last Reviewed/Updated Thursday, June 08, 2017 is found at the bottom of the UNC page at NRC and has nothing to do with the casino which sits on top of the former UNC,....

been there, dun that,... the doormat to hell does not read "welcome", the doormat to hell reads "it's just business"

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« Reply #9 on: Nov 12, 2017, 10:56 »
The futures so bright we gotta take the shades off.  8) Too much dust in the air to make a definitive statement. The SMR is still in the pipeline and is a DOE collaborative project, Summer is a purely commercial project that needs resuscitation, not sure that it is a good analogy.

last I heard TVA was not a taxpayer funded entity,...

it is true that without DOE grants any SMR would be a non starter in the US of A and SMR would have been DOA ten plus years ago,...

been there, dun that,... the doormat to hell does not read "welcome", the doormat to hell reads "it's just business"

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Re: TVA Demonstrates Site Boundary EPZ Possible for SMRs
« Reply #10 on: Nov 12, 2017, 11:11 »
OBTW

I think you are not interpreting 8-4-2017 properly,...

e.g. this: Page Last Reviewed/Updated Thursday, June 08, 2017 is found at the bottom of the UNC page at NRC and has nothing to do with the casino which sits on top of the former UNC,....

From NRC page at bottom "Page Last Reviewed/Updated Friday, August 04, 2017"  ::)

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Re: TVA Demonstrates Site Boundary EPZ Possible for SMRs
« Reply #11 on: Nov 12, 2017, 11:14 »
last I heard TVA was not a taxpayer funded entity,...

it is true that without DOE grants any SMR would be a non starter in the US of A and SMR would have been DOA ten plus years ago,...

People above our pay grade disagree with you, still remains to be seen.

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Re: TVA Demonstrates Site Boundary EPZ Possible for SMRs
« Reply #12 on: Nov 12, 2017, 12:24 »
Dead. They won't spend the money. Watts Bar is the last nuclear unit TVA  will ever build.
Vogtle may finish one but not two. Last unit completed in this country.
Since nuke power began its been Clinch River this and that. TVA is 23 or 24 billion in debt over nuclear power and their load is decreasing. Its already decreased but the capacity of 2.3 large nuke units. They dont have the money or the will to complete small who cares units.

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Re: TVA Demonstrates Site Boundary EPZ Possible for SMRs
« Reply #13 on: Nov 12, 2017, 12:56 »
Dead. They won't spend the money. Watts Bar is the last nuclear unit TVA  will ever build.
Vogtle may finish one but not two. Last unit completed in this country.
Since nuke power began its been Clinch River this and that. TVA is 23 or 24 billion in debt over nuclear power and their load is decreasing. Its already decreased but the capacity of 2.3 large nuke units. They dont have the money or the will to complete small who cares units.

Well I guess that makes it official.


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Re: TVA Demonstrates Site Boundary EPZ Possible for SMRs
« Reply #14 on: Nov 12, 2017, 01:45 »
I have predicted every nuke plant that has closed or is in trouble. I predicted SCANA a year before it happened. I dont cheerlead for the industry. Pure realist

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« Reply #15 on: Nov 12, 2017, 03:23 »
People above our pay grade disagree with you, still remains to be seen.

from 21 months ago,....



this public money,...


NuScale wins second round of DOE SMR funding under FOA


http://atomicinsights.com/nuscale-wins-second-round-doe-smr-funding-foa/


with a less nuanced description here:


http://portlandtribune.com/ttt/89-news/252644-121028-nuscale-power-tigards-nuclear-energy-company-prepares-for-2020

...The company has made some major strides in the past few years. In 2013, it received a $217 million grant from the U.S. Department of Energy to design and license a nuclear power plant.


The company is spending about $12 million a month to finish up its application to the NRC and has filed more than 180 patents related to the technology, McGough said....



let me play this out,....


my company gets a 217 million dollar grant which I (er, my company) spends at 12 million per month,...


I get to live good on the corporate credit card and pad my 401K for 18 months,...


I also get to approach Rolls Royce in Britain to build it and then sell the finished product to the Chinese,...


oh yeah, I also get to build a pilot pant on government property and forego the nightmare of a private landed OCA,...


after all, the Chinese would like to know the thing actually works before they buy it,....


you call it pessimism,....


I call it "Living in realsville",... [coffee]




and now a word from realsville concerning,...



Well I guess that makes it official.




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a word from 4+ years ago,...


"Renaissance in Reverse: Competition Pushes Aging U.S. Nuclear Reactors to the Brink of Economic Abandonment,"

....a review of the remaining U.S. fleet reveals that 38 reactors in 23 states are at risk of early retirement, with 12 facing the greatest risk of being shutdown, according to a major new analysis by Mark Cooper, senior fellow for economic analysis, Institute for Energy and the Environment, Vermont Law School.....


....The 12 reactors (in alphabetical order) were found to be at greatest risk of early retirement and their risk
factors are Clinton (selling into a tough market), Davis-Besse (large number of risk factors), Fitzpatrick (high cost but offset by high market clearing price), Fort Calhoun (outage, poor performance), Ginna (single unit with negative margin, existing contract), Indian Point (license extension, state opposition), Millstone (tax issues), Nine Mile Point (site size saves it, existing contract), Oyster Creek (already set to retire early), Palisades (repair impending, local opposition) Pilgrim (large number of risk factors, local opposition), and Vermont Yankee (tax issue and state opposition).


http://216.30.191.148/atriskreactors.html

to be objective the author does have an agenda and it is not favorable to making electricity via nuclear fission,...

the author would like to claim 38% of the current on-line reactors are at risk and settles on 12% being essentially "imminent",...

I might go with 6% in the next six years,...

but really, they should have gone anyhow, there is some concern, even on my part, about extending some of these old dogs out twenty or more years,...

it would be nice to actually see a new construction plant come on line in the next six years,...

but historically, we are way too far behind on the sustainability curve,...

woo hoo some more,.... :-\



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Re: TVA Demonstrates Site Boundary EPZ Possible for SMRs
« Reply #16 on: Nov 12, 2017, 03:44 »
Plus TVA has done no such thing

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Re: TVA Demonstrates Site Boundary EPZ Possible for SMRs
« Reply #17 on: Nov 12, 2017, 03:44 »
from 21 months ago,....

and now a word from realsville concerning,...

a word from 4  years ago,...




 ??? Speak English this isn't a school paper where disconnected long dissertations make the teacher want to just grade the paper and move on. There is a debate on the future of nuclear by professionals in the business of building and designing them. The grid and power production are in transition and there may or may not be a future for nuclear. I would be inclined believe those who invest their money and careers in a potential future of nuclear.

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« Reply #18 on: Nov 12, 2017, 04:02 »
??? Speak English.....

okay, plain english,....

you've been believing the public trough sucking "those who invest money and careers crowd" for over twenty years,...

with nothing to show but failed holes in the ground, dreams on paper, and abandoned shells of partially constructed money pits,...

in the same time span after CP-1 there were 11 commercial nukes pushing electrons through the grid with twenty more under construction,...

if you don't like my contentions, show me where I'm wrong,...

dreams don't push trons, facts do,...

been there, dun that,... the doormat to hell does not read "welcome", the doormat to hell reads "it's just business"

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Re: TVA Demonstrates Site Boundary EPZ Possible for SMRs
« Reply #19 on: Nov 12, 2017, 04:03 »
Plus TVA has done no such thing

Has not done what ???

Small Modular Reactors
In its focus on developing small modular reactors (SMRs), TVA is demonstrating its leadership in the national movement toward cleaner, low-cost energy.

https://www.tva.gov/Energy/Technology-Innovation/Small-Modular-Reactors

https://eteconline.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/15D_Stout-TVA-170907-SMR-Powered-Microgrid-9-7-17.pdf

Dan Stout is the Senior Manager, Small Modular Reactors at TVA

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« Reply #20 on: Nov 12, 2017, 04:07 »
okay, plain english,....

you've been believing the public trough sucking "those who invest money and careers crowd" for over twenty years,...

with nothing to show but failed holes in the ground, dreams on paper, and abandoned shells of partially constructed money pits,...

in the same time span after CP-1 there were 11 commercial nukes pushing electrons through the grid with twenty more under construction,...

if you don't like my contentions, show me where I'm wrong,...

dreams don't push trons, facts do,...

Watts Barr is on line, Vogtle will probably go on line, SMRs are in design and in the approval process. How is that for facts.

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« Reply #21 on: Nov 12, 2017, 04:09 »
Watts Barr is on line, Vogtle will probably go on line, SMRs are in design and in the approval process. How is that for facts.


watts barr constructed for 40+ years,...

vogtle is not pushing trons,...

smrs are not pushing trons,...

facts,...

been there, dun that,... the doormat to hell does not read "welcome", the doormat to hell reads "it's just business"

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« Reply #22 on: Nov 12, 2017, 04:13 »
watts barr constructed for 40+ years,...

nightmare



vogtle is not pushing trons,..



dream



smrs are not pushing trons,...



dream,...




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Re: TVA Demonstrates Site Boundary EPZ Possible for SMRs
« Reply #23 on: Nov 12, 2017, 04:15 »
watts barr constructed for 40+ years,...

vogtle is not pushing trons,...

smrs are not pushing trons,...

facts,...

Watts Barr and Vogtle are not holes in the ground and no future power production is pushing 'trons  ::)

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Re: TVA Demonstrates Site Boundary EPZ Possible for SMRs
« Reply #24 on: Nov 12, 2017, 04:28 »
Stout has a minor position. More importantly you dont see SMRs mentioned in any TVA future plan.

WBN 2 will be the last reactor TVA ever builds. They have no need and they have no money. Clinch River is a non starter.

Only one Vogtle Unit will be completed.

Those are facts.

 


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