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« on: Aug 13, 2018, 01:15 »
Number of Roadtechs in the business?

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« Reply #1 on: Aug 13, 2018, 05:53 »
42

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Re: Number of Roadtechs in the business?
« Reply #2 on: Aug 13, 2018, 08:16 »
Of course 42 is just a rule of 'thumb'
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Re: Number of Roadtechs in the business?
« Reply #3 on: Aug 13, 2018, 10:33 »
Of course 42 is just a rule of 'thumb'
standard oar metric?
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Re: Number of Roadtechs in the business?
« Reply #4 on: Aug 13, 2018, 10:42 »
30 outages about 50 SRs each give or take.....1500 for outages.  then you have semi long termers all over the place like DOE sites and DOD plus other small jobs and semi long term nuke plants....maybe another 1500?   3000 3.1 roadtechs and a bunch of house people.  im sure that is very far off but there's my quick guess.

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« Reply #5 on: Aug 13, 2018, 10:56 »

Number of Roadtechs in the business?

30 outages about 50 SRs each give or take.....1500 for outages.  then you have semi long termers all over the place like DOE sites and DOD plus other small jobs and semi long term nuke plants....maybe another 1500?   3000 3.1 roadtechs and a bunch of house people.  im sure that is very far off but there's my quick guess.





422 = 1764,...


1764 +20% -> 2116 - 1411


ergo your SWAG of 1500 is within an acceptable level of variability of the true number, derived from the ultimate source number...


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« Reply #6 on: Aug 13, 2018, 01:01 »
30 outages simultaneously?

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Re: Number of Roadtechs in the business?
« Reply #7 on: Aug 13, 2018, 01:18 »
My guess is that 30 outages at a time and 50 seniors per outage are both very high. I haven't seen a 50 Sr outage in a while.
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Re: Number of Roadtechs in the business?
« Reply #8 on: Aug 13, 2018, 04:58 »
My guess is that 30 outages at a time and 50 seniors per outage are both very high. I haven't seen a 50 Sr outage in a while.
aye can't remember scene 30 simultaneous domestic outages. butt, eye kin here the google way back machines getting started even aze this is posting.
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« Reply #9 on: Aug 13, 2018, 07:55 »
My guess is that 30 outages at a time and 50 seniors per outage are both very high. I haven't seen a 50 Sr outage in a while.

That's only 25 per shift.

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Re: Number of Roadtechs in the business?
« Reply #10 on: Aug 13, 2018, 08:21 »
Ur right about the 30 simul maybe 2500 or 2250 then total..but bwrs are usually over 50...cooper was asking for 80 in 2009....special proj3cts like peach did in 2014 i think the had 150 or more...so i think 50 is a good average wen you factor in that stuff.

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« Reply #11 on: Aug 13, 2018, 09:15 »
42 is the answer to the ultimate question of life, the universe, and everything

If you have to explain it...

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« Reply #12 on: Aug 14, 2018, 07:52 »
Several outages are partially staffed with shared resources. Some plants augment their staff with road techs for special projects (DFS, SFP Cleanup, Major Mods, etc.). Several techs have retired, passed on, or taken permanent positions. Maybe BHI, DZA, et.al. have that info in their database. How big is your ballpark?

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Re: Number of Roadtechs in the business?
« Reply #13 on: Aug 14, 2018, 08:19 »
That's only 25 per shift.

Yep. I get that. I am currently at a BWR getting ready for an outage. Traditionally BWRs staff more techs than PWRs and we have fewer than 50 seniors coming here plus less than 10 juniors. I have recently worked at two PWRs that I am pretty sure (could be wrong) bring in less than that. So, 50 may not be very high compared to the highest, but probably higher than average. Go back even 8 or 10 years and the numbers go up. Go back 20 and they are probably higher still. But, go way back and I can tell you we did Kewaunee's first outage with about 8 seniors per shift in 1976... the outage also took about 3 months. Now it seems to be fewer techs (not fewer than 1976) shorter outages and more time in containment/drywell. The 3-in-3-out, lots of techs days are pretty much gone.
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Re: Number of Roadtechs in the business?
« Reply #14 on: Aug 14, 2018, 08:21 »
42 is the answer to the ultimate question of life, the universe, and everything
If you have to explain it...

Given that, should I explain my 'thumb' reference?
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Re: Number of Roadtechs in the business?
« Reply #15 on: Aug 14, 2018, 08:34 »
Given that, should I explain my 'thumb' reference?

nah, if into the security recordings you go, only pain will you find,....

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Re: Number of Roadtechs in the business?
« Reply #16 on: Aug 14, 2018, 09:37 »
...I can tell you we did Kewaunee's first outage with about 8 seniors per shift in 1976...
The next outage, there was the same number of techs and one owl...
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Re: Number of Roadtechs in the business?
« Reply #17 on: Aug 14, 2018, 09:52 »
The next outage, there was the same number of techs and one owl...
Was there for that one, too... my memory tells me that the owl was in the first outage, but I am trusting that less and less these days.
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Re: Number of Roadtechs in the business?
« Reply #18 on: Aug 14, 2018, 11:59 »
Was there for that one, too... my memory tells me that the owl was in the first outage, but I am trusting that less and less these days.
You probably don't remember telling me to not put the beer in the Rent A Car at night, neither.
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Re: Number of Roadtechs in the business?
« Reply #19 on: Aug 14, 2018, 12:38 »
I was not sure that was you, but I do remember that.
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Re: Number of Roadtechs in the business?
« Reply #20 on: Aug 14, 2018, 01:01 »
-38°F gets a brew chilled mighty quickly. Driving with bottle caps 3" above the bottle necks is not a task trusted to amateurs.
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Re: Number of Roadtechs in the business?
« Reply #21 on: Aug 14, 2018, 06:23 »
You guys are really old if you can remember rental cars.... maybe even getting reimbursed for gas and then throw in flying to the job and leaving your car at home. Maybe even free health insurance. My favorite was stock options and profit sharing.   But that was long ago.

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Re: Number of Roadtechs in the business?
« Reply #22 on: Aug 14, 2018, 06:27 »
Rental cars and no FFD. Had to have  someone go out to cash checks, cause no off days either. $6.50 an hour and 20/day and all was great

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« Reply #23 on: Aug 14, 2018, 07:59 »
You guys are really old if you can remember rental cars.... maybe even getting reimbursed for gas and then throw in flying to the job and leaving your car at home. Maybe even free health insurance. My favorite was stock options and profit sharing.   But that was long ago.

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Re: Number of Roadtechs in the business?
« Reply #24 on: Aug 14, 2018, 08:02 »
Rental cars and no FFD. Had to have  someone go out to cash checks, cause no off days either. $6.50 an hour and 20/day and all was great
Mr Big Bucks!
I remember $4.50 and  $210/wk, for a Jr. and then $5.50 as a Senior.
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Re: Number of Roadtechs in the business?
« Reply #25 on: Aug 15, 2018, 08:25 »
You guys are really old if you can remember rental cars.... maybe even getting reimbursed for gas and then throw in flying to the job and leaving your car at home. Maybe even free health insurance. My favorite was stock options and profit sharing.   But that was long ago.

All of that plus the site coordinator meets you at the airport and leads all of you (most everyone arrived on the same flight) straight to the bar, buys the first round or two and hands out perdiem checks. Or the company owner throws a big party at the local hotel under the guise of a 'welcome to the outage' meeting. Things like that are very rare these days.
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« Reply #26 on: Aug 15, 2018, 09:52 »
Yes, that was back when nuclear power was "too cheap to meter" and electric utilities were regulated. Outages were "scheduled" for 60-90 days and staying on schedule was not the norm. Most costs were rolled into the rate base and utilities were allowed to make a 10%+- profit. But perdiem was $50 or less ( $34/day when I started), payrate single digit and no bonuses. It wasn't a job, it was an adventure.

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Re: Number of Roadtechs in the business?
« Reply #27 on: Aug 15, 2018, 01:06 »
... perdiem was $50 or less ( $34/day when I started), payrate single digit and no bonuses. It wasn't a job, it was an adventure.
n gas was a buck a gallon, sew yer diem ratios well, pay rate ratios to the plus side, n theirs still know bonuses.
knot much has changed.
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Re: Number of Roadtechs in the business?
« Reply #28 on: Aug 17, 2018, 03:02 »
Rental cars and no FFD...
whale hale! their was know f.f.d. in the u.s.a. back in those days... mebbe airline pilots n train engineers.
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« Reply #29 on: Aug 17, 2018, 04:26 »
Rental cars

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Re: Number of Roadtechs in the business?
« Reply #30 on: Aug 17, 2018, 07:32 »
Wow Al Eidson came out of retirement to post on Nukeworker !!!!!  The man is a legend.  The other legend with rental cars is Captain Nemo . Maybe there WAS a reason we no longer get rental cars........
Back on topic now ... in regard to the number of Traveling Techs, sometimes there are too many and every now and then (like this fall season) there are not enough.

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Re: Number of Roadtechs in the business?
« Reply #31 on: Aug 23, 2018, 03:57 »
My guess is that 30 outages at a time and 50 seniors per outage are both very high. I haven't seen a 50 Sr outage in a while.

Figured I'd weigh in, since this is what I do.  Average outage crew is approximately 45 Sr. Techs, some take in as little as 25, some still as many as 100.  My biggest request this season was around 100, the smallest around 20, remove those from the equation and the rest of the sites average out to about 45 Sr. techs per outage.

As far as how many outages there are per season, the spring normally has anywhere from 30 to 40 (going back to Spring 2014 there were 2 season>40, the rest were 30-34 give or take.  The Fall season normally has a lot fewer, averaging around 20, give or take - this season is definitely an anomaly that happens every 5-6 years.

Hope I was able to shed some light on the conversation,

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Re: Number of Roadtechs in the business?
« Reply #32 on: Aug 24, 2018, 11:39 »
Every 6th outage season is a heavy season, and the Spring of 2017 is looking like a whopper, it's the second largest since I started keeping track in 2004. Spring of 2011 has the record with 45.  An average season has 30. The variance is 7, so anything below 23 is 'light' and anything more than 37 is 'heavy'.

I expect the Fall of 2017 to set the record for lightest outage season on record, with only 18 outages. The previous record is Fall of 2013, with only 21.  Some of the recent plant closings are to blame for the new lowest record.  The 'average light season' following the 6th cycle heavy season is usually 23... so 18 really is light.

 
2017
Fall
19
2017
Spring
43
2016
Fall
23
2016
Spring
28
2015
Fall
30
2015
Spring
33
2014
Fall
23
2014
Spring
39
2013
Fall
21
2013
Spring
32
2012
Fall
31
2012
Spring
32
2011
Fall
23
2011
Spring
45
2010
Fall
23
2010
Spring
32
2009
Fall
34
2009
Spring
33
2008
Fall
25
2008
Spring
40
2007
Fall
24
2007
Spring
34
2006
Fall
35
2006
Spring
32
2005
Fall
23
2005
Spring
43
2004
Fall
25
2004
Spring
30
Avg
30
Stdev
7

 


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