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Expungement/ Previous Drug Use
« on: Jul 05, 2019, 12:05 »
Hello All,

I have been working in a position for over a year which now requires UA. Here is my issue: I had several charges over ten years ago. When I went to have my record expunged, my lawyer only found two charges which he was able to remove. I paid to have a local and FBI background run, and my record is clean.

I had two brief slips (a weekend) over four years ago, but have been clean ever since.

Will this prevent me from obtaining UA?

Any help is greatly appreciated!

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Re: Expungement/ Previous Drug Use
« Reply #1 on: Jul 05, 2019, 07:36 »
Plants are closing. You are a druggie. If you did it inside the industry you would be banned for life.
Expungement is meaningless. Access can still see it. You are obligated to disclose it..


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Re: Expungement/ Previous Drug Use
« Reply #3 on: Jul 06, 2019, 12:53 »
TVA, If you read my post, you would realize none of this happened in the industry.

Expungement isn’t meaningless because it is the reason I have my job.

I disclosed the information to my boss  after posting, and he said it wouldn’t be a problem.

I see you have no idea what you are talking about, and you’re trolling me. Why?
« Last Edit: Jul 06, 2019, 12:55 by Eng1588 »

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Re: Expungement/ Previous Drug Use
« Reply #4 on: Jul 06, 2019, 11:46 »
You asked and I am not trolling.
Drug use does not matter if you were in the industry or not. Fact is you have to come clean.
If they find out afterward and they will you are gone.
Your boss doesnt work in access. If so why ask here as you already have the answer.
I lost 2 guys to marijuana use and good riddance.
I know others might disagree but in my mind you are a worthless junkie who I prefer not be at a nuclear plant.
They can hire a guy with a perfectly clean record and should do so.

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Re: Expungement/ Previous Drug Use
« Reply #5 on: Jul 06, 2019, 12:23 »
TVA, there has been no issues with me for years.

Once I posted, I went ahead and talked to my boss. He sent me the procedure for nuclear security that is used when granting access. I do not violate any of the clauses.

Everything was disclosed, and there is no issue there.

The reason they want to keep me is because of the value I have brought to the company.

I have spoken with co-workers with similar issues that were granted access, and they have been working there for years.

Thanks for your opinion.

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Re: Expungement/ Previous Drug Use
« Reply #6 on: Jul 06, 2019, 12:33 »
You have no idea how they interpret it.

Again if it is a done deal why ask here?

Are you saying your entire department is a bunch of junkies?

I can find dozens who are just as valuable and they are clean

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Re: Expungement/ Previous Drug Use
« Reply #7 on: Jul 06, 2019, 12:38 »
Plants are closing. You are a druggie. If you did it inside the industry you would be banned for life.
Expungement is meaningless. Access can still see it. You are obligated to disclose it..

You asked and I am not trolling.
Drug use does not matter if you were in the industry or not. Fact is you have to come clean.
If they find out afterward and they will you are gone.
Your boss doesnt work in access. If so why ask here as you already have the answer.
I lost 2 guys to marijuana use and good riddance.
I know others might disagree but in my mind you are a worthless junkie who I prefer not be at a nuclear plant.
They can hire a guy with a perfectly clean record and should do so.

But once again you are in violation of site rules.


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Re: Expungement/ Previous Drug Use
« Reply #8 on: Jul 06, 2019, 12:47 »
Hmmmm...if I HAD to choose which one I would be.....Internet Troll or "Druggie".......I think I would pick Druggie.

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Re: Expungement/ Previous Drug Use
« Reply #9 on: Jul 06, 2019, 01:12 »
Not deliberately pissing off anyone. Saying what I believe. I wouldnt trust the guy.

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Re: Expungement/ Previous Drug Use
« Reply #10 on: Jul 06, 2019, 01:30 »
Not deliberately pissing off anyone. Saying what I believe. I wouldnt trust the guy.

He stated he has been clean for four years but you called him a druggie. Maybe the Pope would satisfy your moral standards but last I checked people are fallible. Many simply have not been caught and I worry about them more than the people I am aware of.

Maybe you need to reevaluate your social and communication skills for venues such as this site, if you are not intentionally trying to piss people off. I realize that customer service skills are not in high demand for a lot of operational positions but this is not a control room or construction site it is a public forum.

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Re: Expungement/ Previous Drug Use
« Reply #11 on: Jul 06, 2019, 01:36 »
Look, I get it. You don’t trust junkies. I don’t trust them either. Good thing I’m not one.

When I say I “slipped” for a weekend, it means I drank a beer. I drank twice in the past 12 years. I highly doubt they are worried about that.

I’m glad I don’t work for you, TVA😂
Where do you work so I know never to apply there?

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Re: Expungement/ Previous Drug Use
« Reply #12 on: Jul 06, 2019, 01:41 »
Maybe TVA doesn't know Beer has alcohol in it, which is a drug.

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Re: Expungement/ Previous Drug Use
« Reply #13 on: Jul 06, 2019, 01:58 »
Hamsamich, Hahahaha...

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Re: Expungement/ Previous Drug Use
« Reply #14 on: Jul 08, 2019, 06:17 »
Pay no attention to the idiot behind the curtain. He is a Troll that is not even smart enough to recognize it, yet claims he is the smartest person on the site. Correction... the smartest in the industry.

I think someone pees in his oatmeal every morning.
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Re: Expungement/ Previous Drug Use
« Reply #15 on: Jul 08, 2019, 07:14 »
well - with as many threads and posts as there have been on these forums for many, many incredibly similar sets of circumstances why would anyone come to these boards with the OP's scenario (where he knows his history, he knows his worth, his employer has told him it's in the bag, etc, etc.) and ask a forum populated by OPS and RP types, "What are my chances?",...


almost no one who actually works in access control has ever answered these questions (save one poster who has not posted in years),....


the scenario similarities are eerie at best and conspiratorial at worst,...


and the answers and ripostes always follow the same trajectory,...


a nuclear engineer aka Eng1588?!?!?!


a nuclear engineer who does not do their homework on the forums before posting?!?!?


who posts a loaded question concerning UA to a bunch of non-rates who are not qualified to answer?!?!?!?


when the OP already has much more solid answers than anyone here can ever dream of giving the OP?!?!?!



who is trolling who?!?!?!?


I think it's the russians,...


they're trying to undermine our collegiality,...


I mean really?!?!?!

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Re: Expungement/ Previous Drug Use
« Reply #16 on: Jul 08, 2019, 07:18 »
Hello All,

I have been working in a position for over a year which now requires UA. Here is my issue: I had several charges over ten years ago. When I went to have my record expunged, my lawyer only found two charges which he was able to remove. I paid to have a local and FBI background run, and my record is clean.

I had two brief slips (a weekend) over four years ago, but have been clean ever since.

Will this prevent me from obtaining UA?

Any help is greatly appreciated!




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« Last Edit: Jul 08, 2019, 07:18 by GLW »

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Re: Expungement/ Previous Drug Use
« Reply #17 on: Jul 08, 2019, 11:55 »
when the OP already has much more solid answers than anyone here can ever dream of giving the OP?!?!?!

Second opinion? There are recruiters and and people who have experience with the issue on this forum though it's true not most.

Participating on a forum with peers?

Because Nukeworker encourages helpful posters?

Maybe there was wine involved.

4. Please learn to be respectful, tolerate and support each other.  NukeWorker.com's goal is to help others, not see how many people we can annoy. Do not initiate arguments or tension. This will only cause the triggering of other members and make this site less professional.

I guess not attacking a poster would be a good way to "tolerate and support" for whatever reason.

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Re: Expungement/ Previous Drug Use
« Reply #18 on: Jul 08, 2019, 01:19 »
Second opinion? There are recruiters and and people who have experience with the issue on this forum though it's true not most.

Participating on a forum with peers?

Because Nukeworker encourages helpful posters?

Maybe there was wine involved.

4. Please learn to be respectful, tolerate and support each other.  NukeWorker.com's goal is to help others, not see how many people we can annoy. Do not initiate arguments or tension. This will only cause the triggering of other members and make this site less professional.

I guess not attacking a poster would be a good way to "tolerate and support" for whatever reason.






okay, it just seems this topic keeps coming up from unnamed posters, working at unnamed facilities, with nebulous previous issues which include a momentary backslide and employers saying it's all good, and time on on-site doing non UA activities and no poster ever seems to just ask the on-site UA access people anything along the lines of inquiry they are all too willing to discuss with complete strangers and then when pushed for details it's always "one more thing",.....


I mean it's not like any of these OPs can go back to access control and counter with "Well!!, the posters on nukeworker said you guys are full of crap and I have the right to UA!!!".


I'm just saying - way too many similar scenarios,..... :-\
« Last Edit: Jul 08, 2019, 01:19 by GLW »

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Re: Expungement/ Previous Drug Use
« Reply #19 on: Jul 08, 2019, 01:40 »
Honestly the UA stuff is a bit of a black box.....the courts tell you if you expunge something it is over and done....but then the nukes say no.....they are both supposedly groups in positions of authority.  Nothing is ever fully explained.  It is a bit of a murky swamp.  I've heard story after story of people locked out for what don't seem to be the greatest of reasons with little explanation and little recourse.  Asking some people who have been there done that makes sense to me.

TVA acts like he is a king sitting on his throne.  He get's up on his soapbox and smugly delivers these holier than thou messages.  It makes me sick.  Perfectly good people come here looking for answers so they can decide if they want to 1. get a job 2. keep a job 3. not even bother.   Not everyone who smoked a stick of mj is a serial killer.  Really it is hypocritical.  Plenty of people abuse alcohol in this business and none of them have to face up for that.  But somebody that smoked a tiny amount of mj and admitted to it or was caught doing it and it was recorded somehow are public enemy number one.

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Re: Expungement/ Previous Drug Use
« Reply #20 on: Jul 08, 2019, 02:25 »
itsa political thing. problem two day is that pot is legal under state statutes in quite a few states. new clear plants have federal licenses and claim this puts usage solely under federal statutes, of witch marijuana wasn't made illegal until the 1960s. sew, four 50 years, nuke workers are under 2 sets of laws, wile most u s. workers are under 1 set. plenty of lawyers, perhaps a judge oar too, doesn't realize this when talking to potential clients.
n then their are trolls...
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Re: Expungement/ Previous Drug Use
« Reply #21 on: Jul 08, 2019, 02:45 »
okay, it just seems this topic keeps coming up from unnamed posters, working at unnamed facilities, with nebulous previous issues which include a momentary backslide and employers saying it's all good, and time on on-site doing non UA activities and no poster ever seems to just ask the on-site UA access people anything along the lines of inquiry they are all too willing to discuss with complete strangers and then when pushed for details it's always "one more thing",.....


I mean it's not like any of these OPs can go back to access control and counter with "Well!!, the posters on nukeworker said you guys are full of crap and I have the right to UA!!!".


I'm just saying - way too many similar scenarios,..... :-\

   Are you arguing that bad conduct (allegedly) on one side justifies bad conduct on the other?

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Re: Expungement/ Previous Drug Use
« Reply #22 on: Jul 08, 2019, 02:58 »
   Are you arguing that bad conduct (allegedly) on one side justifies bad conduct on the other?

I'm not arguing,....

I'm postulating,...

I'm postulating the community may be getting trolled to draw out a particular crosspatch and elicit a desired outcome on the thread,...

I'm just saying,....



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Re: Expungement/ Previous Drug Use
« Reply #23 on: Jul 08, 2019, 03:04 »
.......... Plenty of people abuse alcohol in this business and none of them have to face up for that.......

only because when you had knowledge of on the job alcohol abuse you stayed silent,...

or, when you knew that they were not reporting what they should have reported you again stayed silent,...

tacit silence on the part of yourself is the only way you could know someone was abusing alcohol and not facing up for that,...

which does not help our community one bit,...

especially when we advertise the same on a public forum,...

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Re: Expungement/ Previous Drug Use
« Reply #24 on: Jul 08, 2019, 03:09 »
itsa political thing. problem two day is that pot is legal under state statutes in quite a few states. new clear plants have federal licenses and claim this puts usage solely under federal statutes, of witch marijuana wasn't made illegal until the 1960s. sew, four 50 years, nuke workers are under 2 sets of laws, wile most u s. workers are under 1 set. plenty of lawyers, perhaps a judge oar too, doesn't realize this when talking to potential clients.
n then their are trolls...

no,...

it's a medical thing,...

the thresholds for alcohol impairment are easily defined and easily measured,...

thresholds for THC impairment are neither easily defined or easily measured,...

in the absence of demonstrable and reproducible impairment thresholds,...

zero tolerance is the best legal answer,...

it's the law that gets you fired,...

as it should be,...

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Re: Expungement/ Previous Drug Use
« Reply #25 on: Jul 08, 2019, 03:11 »
I'm not arguing,....

I'm postulating,...

postulate:

to ask, demand, or claim.
to claim or assume the existence or truth of, especially as a basis for reasoning or arguing.
to assume without proof, or as self-evident;take for granted.

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Re: Expungement/ Previous Drug Use
« Reply #26 on: Jul 08, 2019, 03:18 »
postulate:

to ask, demand, or claim.
to claim or assume the existence or truth of, especially as a basis for reasoning or arguing.
to assume without proof, or as self-evident;take for granted.

put your angry white guy dictionary back into the drawer labelled "I'm angry and I gotta win" pal,.....

google "postulate definition"

the following should be at the top of the screen:

Dictionary
Search for a word
pos·tu·late
verb
/ˈpäsCHəˌlāt/
1.
suggest or assume the existence, fact, or truth of (something) as a basis for reasoning, discussion, or belief.
"his theory postulated a rotatory movement for hurricanes"
synonyms:   put forward, suggest, advance, posit, hypothesize, take as a hypothesis, propose, assume, presuppose, suppose, presume, predicate, take for granted, theorize
"such hypotheses have been postulated by highly reputable geologists"
2.
(in ecclesiastical law) nominate or elect (someone) to an ecclesiastical office subject to the sanction of a higher authority.
nounFORMAL
/ˈpäsCHələt/
1.
a thing suggested or assumed as true as the basis for reasoning, discussion, or belief.
"perhaps the postulate of Babylonian influence on Greek astronomy is incorrect"

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Re: Expungement/ Previous Drug Use
« Reply #27 on: Jul 08, 2019, 04:01 »
put your angry white guy dictionary back into the drawer labelled "I'm angry and I gotta win" pal,.....

google "postulate definition"

the following should be at the top of the screen:

Dictionary
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pos·tu·late
verb
/ˈpäsCHəˌlāt/
1.
suggest or assume the existence, fact, or truth of (something) as a basis for reasoning, discussion, or belief.
"his theory postulated a rotatory movement for hurricanes"
synonyms:   put forward, suggest, advance, posit, hypothesize, take as a hypothesis, propose, assume, presuppose, suppose, presume, predicate, take for granted, theorize
"such hypotheses have been postulated by highly reputable geologists"
2.
(in ecclesiastical law) nominate or elect (someone) to an ecclesiastical office subject to the sanction of a higher authority.
nounFORMAL
/ˈpäsCHələt/
1.
a thing suggested or assumed as true as the basis for reasoning, discussion, or belief.
"perhaps the postulate of Babylonian influence on Greek astronomy is incorrect"

Seriously! Why postulate at all if not for argument, since we were already in a discussion. Your argument on an argument is not self supporting assuming facts not in evidence and in contradiction of the obvious (Captain Obvious if you like).


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Re: Expungement/ Previous Drug Use
« Reply #28 on: Jul 08, 2019, 04:22 »
So GLW you are saying you've never seen anybody drink too much?  ever?  really?

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Re: Expungement/ Previous Drug Use
« Reply #29 on: Jul 09, 2019, 09:30 »
Seriously! Why postulate at all if not for argument, since we were already in a discussion.....

Let me enlighten you:

I'm not arguing,....

I'm postulating,...

I told you up front I am not arguing,....

you chose to cherry pick and emphasize the definition of "postulate" to argue with me,....

https://www.dictionary.com/browse/postulate

postulate[ verb pos-chuh-leyt; noun pos-chuh-lit, -leyt ]SHOW IPA
SYNONYMS|EXAMPLES|WORD ORIGINSEE MORE SYNONYMS FOR postulate ON THESAURUS.COM

verb (used with object), pos·tu·lat·ed, pos·tu·lat·ing.


to ask, demand, or claim.


to claim or assume the existence or truth of, especially as a basis for reasoning or arguing.


to assume without proof, or as self-evident; take for granted.
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noun


something taken as self-evident or assumed without proof as a basis for reasoning.


Mathematics, Logic. a proposition that requires no proof, being self-evident, or that is for a specific purpose assumed true, and that is used in the proof of other propositions; axiom.


a fundamental principle.


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I tell you upfront what my reasoning is and where I am going with the discussion,...


and then you tell me what I am thinking,...


save that crap for your wife not me, you can tell her what she's thinking when she's talking but I told you straight up front and I ain't your bitch,...


you can disagree with my premise that someone or someones may be trolling the trolls through our forums and threads at nukeworker.com,...


and I will still surmise it is plausible that a specific type of cyber chum is being used by OPs who come here for one thread memes which illicit the desired responses and ripostes and then never come to these boards again,.....


ever,....


even when the moderators bury their original threads in restricted forums, the OPs never come back to engage on other threads within the community forums,...


they're not "community" users, they (or maybe just one) are one time OP(s) who is/are firing for effect and then disappearing off the range,...


I postulate that is plausible, definitely possible, still unfathomed as to probability,...

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Re: Expungement/ Previous Drug Use
« Reply #30 on: Jul 09, 2019, 09:36 »
So GLW you are saying you've never seen anybody drink too much?  ever?  really?

I have seen many people drink too much,....

I was not aware that drinking too much warranted "facing up" with repercussions in your place of work,...

unless you are drinking (alcohol) at work or before work,...

I have seen people drink too much before reporting to work,...

I reported them and they were removed off-site,...

under FFD and CBOT it's my obligation to the safe conduct of the licensed facility to do so,...

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Re: Expungement/ Previous Drug Use
« Reply #31 on: Jul 09, 2019, 11:25 »
no,...

it's a medical thing,...

the thresholds for alcohol impairment are easily defined and easily measured,...

thresholds for THC impairment are neither easily defined or easily measured,...
itsa legal thing n they're are measurable limits.

https://www.codot.gov/safety/alcohol-and-impaired-driving/druggeddriving/marijuana-and-driving
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Re: Expungement/ Previous Drug Use
« Reply #32 on: Jul 09, 2019, 11:39 »
Well it was interesting for a little while.
Just out of curiosity, who did you pay to get your FBI records? (asking for a friend)

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Re: Expungement/ Previous Drug Use
« Reply #33 on: Jul 09, 2019, 01:45 »
itsa legal thing n they're are measurable limits.

https://www.codot.gov/safety/alcohol-and-impaired-driving/druggeddriving/marijuana-and-driving

Wow!!!

So, part of the "trade-off" to have legalized marijuana in your state is that you must provide a blood sample (aka DNA database sample) upon demand,...

so, this was the very first item of the info link:

Q: How does marijuana affect my ability to drive?

A: You cannot judge your own level of impairment. Any amount of marijuana consumption puts you at risk of driving impaired.



and this was the second, just to set the tempo:


Q: Is there a legal limit for marijuana impairment while operating a vehicle?

A: Colorado law specifies that drivers with five nanograms of active tetrahydrocannabinol (THC) in their whole blood can be prosecuted for driving under the influence (DUI). However, no matter the level of THC, law enforcement officers base arrests on observed impairment.

and as you read on you realize you cannot refuse without losing your driving privilege which is an administrative action and not subject to due process,...


I'm not liking Colorado,...


and I'm not liking the notion of having to provide blood samples to my employer on a for cause or random basis just to keep my job,....

breathalyzers and urinalysis are a nuisance, BUT they do not hurt and they do not puncture my skin with needles,...

I'm just saying,... :-\
« Last Edit: Jul 09, 2019, 01:46 by GLW »

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Re: Expungement/ Previous Drug Use
« Reply #34 on: Jul 09, 2019, 02:03 »
itsa legal thing n they're are measurable limits.

https://www.codot.gov/safety/alcohol-and-impaired-driving/druggeddriving/marijuana-and-driving

so you know I poked around a little bit and found this:

https://www.boulderweekly.com/features/weed-between-the-lines/how-will-i-know-if-irsquom-one-toke-over-the-line/

it's all a really interesting read except for the one obvious retort,...

"if it saves the life of one child, then of course a 5 nanogram limit is justified",...

after all, that's been the mantra of MADD for decades now,...

https://www.thecommunityguide.org/stories/lowering-legal-blood-alcohol-limits-saves-lives

Lowering Legal Blood Alcohol Limits Saves Lives

Alcohol-impaired driving accounts for one in every three motor vehicle crash deaths in the United States.1 The first blood alcohol concentration (BAC) law for drivers (0.15 percent) was introduced in Indiana in 1939. Twenty plus years later, in the 1960s, some states began lowering it to 0.10 percent. It was another 20 years, before the first state, Utah, lowered it to 0.08 percent. By the late 1990s, many other states began to combat preventable injuries and deaths caused by alcohol-impaired driving by lowering their legal limit for BAC from 0.10 to 0.08 g/dL. To address this public health priority, a team of experts conducted an assessment of existing evidence using the systematic review process presented in The Guide to Community Preventive Services (The Community Guide). The results of this assessment formed the basis for the independent Community Preventive Services Task Force (Task Force) recommendation that 0.08 percent BAC laws are effective in reducing alcohol-related motor vehicle fatalities. In the 2001 appropriations, Congress mandated that states adopt the stricter BAC limit of 0.08 percent by October 2003 or risk losing a portion of their highway funding. With this bill in place, the U.S. embarked on a road to save hundreds of lives each year.....



https://www.scramsystems.com/blog/2018/12/utah-first-state-lower-legal-bac-limit/


Will Stricter Standards Reduce Drunk Driving?



A few of the driving forces behind the legislative decision include support from the National Transportation Safety Board and National Academies of Sciences, Engineering, and Medicine, as well as academic research on the benefits of decreasing legal BAC limits.

One study, conducted by the University of Chicago and Pacific Institute for Research and Evaluation, found that alcohol-related driving fatalities were reduced by 10% between 1982 and 2014 after the U.S. had dropped the legal BAC from .10 to .08.

Additionally, the researchers found that lowering the legal BAC limit from .08 to .05 could reduce fatal alcohol-related crashes by 11%. Researchers estimate that if every state were to adopt the .05 limit, it could potentially save 1,790 lives a year.

Several other states have also considered the .05 legislation over the last few years, including New York, Delaware, Hawaii, and Washington. In Texas, which consistently sees the nation’s largest number of drunk driving deaths each year, a recent poll showed that 60% of people support lowering the legal BAC for operating a vehicle.....

soooooooooooooo,....


I reckon 5 nanograms (or less) is gonna be the rule, plus lots of blood tests,....


I hate you dope fiends, not because I hate dope but I sure do hate needles and before you guys came along with your legalize dope movement I didn't have to ponder giving blood on demand,....

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Re: Expungement/ Previous Drug Use
« Reply #35 on: Jul 09, 2019, 04:06 »
Honestly....alot of people fill out these things and it specifically states do you ever abuse alcohol.  The question it is asking concerning the alky portion could be taken a thousand different ways.  Hence my point...this whole UA thing is murky at best. If you look up what alky abuse is, one time drinking too much fulfills many of the definitions.  I'm sure most of us didn't march straight down to the security office and tell the people there how you had a little too much last night.

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« Reply #36 on: Jul 09, 2019, 06:52 »
Point is were you ever arrested for it

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« Reply #37 on: Jul 09, 2019, 06:55 »
That is NOT all the questionnaire says.

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Re: Expungement/ Previous Drug Use
« Reply #38 on: Jul 09, 2019, 08:44 »
Point is were you ever arrested for it
oar failed a f.f.d. testing. unlike states witch publish there criteria fore pass/fail, I ain't never scene a criteria put fourth by a nuke licensee four pass/fail.
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Re: Expungement/ Previous Drug Use
« Reply #39 on: Jul 10, 2019, 10:12 »

may bee sum info hear. butt, this is ware non-nuclear business is going.

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