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« on: Mar 05, 2005, 01:17 »
DeNuke  is bidding  outages.  I  do  not  work for  them,  but  have  worked  with  their  people  and  they are  great!!! Hope  they  give  SEC  and Bartlett a run  for  their  money.
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Re: DeNuke, The new company on the block
« Reply #1 on: Mar 05, 2005, 02:10 »
Shonka RULES!!!!!!!

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« Reply #2 on: Mar 05, 2005, 02:42 »
I agree LD5030. Also  I  just  had me  some Sushi  an  hour  ago!!! I  thought  this  was  the  DeNuke  thread though. I  am  too  modest to  start a  Shonka  thread, But if someone  else  does I  guess I  can  make comment.  As  I  said  before,  DeNuke  is  great!!!!!!

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Re: DeNuke, The new company on the block
« Reply #3 on: Mar 06, 2005, 07:26 »
I have to give them their props for coming out in public with that name.  DeNuke is what happened to those guys who failed NPS or got busted for drugs in the Navy.  Either that or they are French-Canadian.  Then again, they could be using the "De"refix as a Mediterranian kind of thing.  Y'know, like: El Plaza De Nuke, or maybe a Southwestern flair: Los Comancheros De Los Nukas.
I find it hard to think that anyone will take them seriously since they put so little thought into the name of their company.  After all, the Brand Name is a the most valuable asset any business owns.  DeNuke sounds like something George Costanza (Seinfeld) would have come up with.  Do you suppose their CEO is Art Van der Lay?
On the other hand... if they can staff outages with qualified people, keep those people working, pay them with checks that don't bounce... they may overcome the stigma of having a silly name.
I wish them the best of luck in this rough business.  If they are willing to treat their employees as people, they'll have my support.
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Re: DeNuke, The new company on the block
« Reply #4 on: Mar 07, 2005, 01:15 »
OR there name could be that they are good at DE-contamination.

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« Reply #5 on: Mar 07, 2005, 02:45 »
Who cares what they're called?  As long as they cut the checks and they don't bounce.

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Re: DeNuke, The new company on the block
« Reply #6 on: Mar 07, 2005, 08:18 »
I know the VP with DeNuke, worked with him at Chem-Nuclear. Nice person and very smart, been in this buisness for years, I think they will make it just fine. Have no idea where the name came from.
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Re: DeNuke, The new company on the block
« Reply #7 on: Mar 12, 2005, 09:26 »
I  heard  DeNuke is  offering  33hr and 105 diem for outages. Thats Good  for a Senior HP!!!

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Re: DeNuke, The new company on the block
« Reply #8 on: Mar 13, 2005, 01:26 »
I  heard  DeNuke is  offering  33hr and 105 diem for outages. Thats Good  for a Senior HP!!!
That's not really fair.  They are offering that rate for ONE project only!!!  It is not for an outage - it is for a "project".  It wouldn't be fair to say that they are offering 33/105 for outages when they are offering 33/105 for one non-outage job.  There is no mention of the hours, or if the overtime rate is time and a half or straight time or if they are even paying for overtime at all.  It is highly probable that this is for a 40hr/week job.  As far as the 105 per-diem goes, look at the location.  The gov't per-diem rate for that area is around $300.  So, $105 isn't that great.

I hope that they will be able to come up with the goods, but you are putting a big burden on them when you say that they are offering something that they are not.  Personally, I think it is a good rate, but it is the standard rate for an ALARA job anyway.  So, don't get yer panties in a twist.
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Re: DeNuke, The new company on the block
« Reply #9 on: Mar 13, 2005, 01:51 »
I'm getting a mental block.  When the posting says "outage tech support" I don't read that the same as being an outage RP tech.  To me, that sounds like ALARA or something indirectly related.  Since Bartlett has the contract for RP techs at that particular plant, I'm led to suspect that there are only a couple of openings providing ALARA (or a similar function) for some contractor.  Usually, those jobs start at 40's for like a month before the outage, switch to OT during the outage, and end at some point before the outage itself is over.
What I'm saying is that this particular job offer is nothing new or spectacular.  It has been going on for a long time, but somebody got the idea that this pay rate is for swinging a meter in the can for three weeks of 84's.  A little caution has to be used here, else someone is likely to get disappointed.
On the PLUS SIDE, it's good to see that they're paying for OT.
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« Reply #10 on: Mar 13, 2005, 01:56 »
Has anyone actually contacted DeNuke and asked them what the job is? Otherwise we are all just engaging in supposition, and rumour mill.
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« Reply #11 on: Mar 13, 2005, 04:15 »
Has anyone actually contacted DeNuke and asked them what the job is? Otherwise we are all just engaging in supposition, and rumour mill.

Thank you PW... I think it rather interesting that someone can hope for something to happen and then when it looks like it might all they can do is say "it ain't so" without even finding out for sure. Maybe this is the beginning of a change and maybe it isn't, but let's give this a chance and see, at least.

This site has probably spent more electrons debating the pay (or lack thereof) in this industry than any other subject. Included in that are unions, the lack of ability of HPs to agree on holding out for more money, and conspiracy theories galore about this company or that utility 'keeping our pay down'. The utilities are doing their job by keeping their costs as low as they can any way they can. The contract companies are doing their jobs by trying to find the amount of money they can bid and still get the job versus the amount of money they have to pay techs to get them to show up and stay there. We are doing our jobs by either agreeing to accept the money or letting the utilities and contract companies know that it is not enough and that they got it wrong. Unfortunately we also have the job of feeding our families and putting roofs over our heads. Therein lies the conflict.

I personally think all the parties are doing their jobs as well as can be expected. I have accepted only jobs that meet my expectations, which by nature change with circumstances. Bartlett has been good to me and I have been good to them. If DeNuke can offer more money, however they are doing it and for however long they can make it work, I say good for them. If they can push the pay higher by whatever method they use, good for us. I hope they stick around and make a go of it. After all, that is how our economic system is supposed to work.
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Re: DeNuke, The new company on the block
« Reply #12 on: Mar 13, 2005, 09:25 »
Well, one  of  DeNuke's Rad engineer told me  the  rate.  I  believe  him because  as  I  said  DeNuke  is  a  great  company.  However if  you  do not  believe the  OT, Rate, Diem, etc.  GET  IT IN  WRITING!
I  think  that  anyone  that  talks to DeNuke  will  get the  same  story I got  and  they  won't  be  offended  if  you  want  it  in  writing.  But  if  you  doubt the  new  kid on  the  block,  well its  your  loss.  I  think  if  you  get  on  the  ground  floor with  a  great  company  you  will  go  far. I  work  for  Shonka as  you can  tell  by  my  name,  I  took  a chance  and  I  do not  regret  it.  It  was  the  best  choice  I  made  in  the  Nuke  industry. Take  a  chance with Denuke,  I  doubt  you  would  regret  it.  or you  can  just  stay  a  cog  in  a  big  nuclear  body  shop,   Your Choice 8)

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Re: DeNuke, The new company on the block
« Reply #13 on: Mar 14, 2005, 08:50 »
I don't doubt the rate, or the quality of the company.  All I am objecting to is the statement that "DeNuke is paying $33/105 for outages"  This statement is misleading.  They are paying SOME techs that money for ONE outage, and the work is not at the technician level.
Yes, this is good money, and I'm glad to hear that this opportunity is there.  It's just not fair to make a blanket statement about what they are paying without including the details.
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Re: DeNuke, The new company on the block
« Reply #14 on: Mar 14, 2005, 09:41 »
…work is not at the technician level.

Yes, it IS at the Technician level. They are 3.1 slots.  The job posting says so. "DeNuke has a limited number of outage support positions for Sr. HP Techs."

...they are offering 33/105 for one non-outage job.

Yes, it IS an outage job.  The job posting says so. "Outage Tech Support with Project Bonus".

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There is no mention of the hours, or if the overtime rate is time and a half or straight time or if they are even paying for overtime at all.  It is highly probable that this is for a 40hr/week job.

How many Bartlett outage jobs posted on this site have you made that assumption on?  None? Oh.  How many Sr HP Techs working an outage at IP have not received Time and a half for overtime? None. Usually only management types are exempt.  Rarely are technicians exempt. So why would you raise an unfounded accusation?

-- Understand that I'm working for Bartlett, have been for a while now, and they treat me very, very well.  However, I'm not going to try to twist a good job offer info some pile of crap by making false statements and assumptions.

I do understand your points, and they are good ones to note. 

The use of pluralization for “outages” by the over enthusiastic poster is simply false at this point.

This doesn’t sound like a primary or backup HP contract to the utility.  It sounds like a subcontract to Washington group, or the like. (But I’m just guessing like you are)

But calling this job an “ALARA Engineer” slot?? Jeez, who can’t read a meter, calculate stay times, read/write an RWP, brief the workers and perform the required job coverage?  I guess that’s why it is advertised for a 3.1.

Lastly… It is an outage job for a Sr. HP Tech, and it does include over time at time and a half.  If some a 3.1 was going to work that outage, this would be a fine slot, with some good experience for the resume.

We have all heard an adage that tells a reliable way to settle controversy. "If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, you can be reasonably sure it is a duck."
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« Reply #15 on: Mar 14, 2005, 03:37 »
Mike, I don't think this offer is a pile of crap.  In fact, I think it is a good deal for anyone who gets in.
I don't have a problem with the job, the pay, the wording of the offer, or the company.

Here's my problem:  A company posts a job with a limited scope.  It happens to be at a nuke plant during an outage.  It is NOT the staffing contract for the outage.  Then, somebody says something like, "I hear DeNuke is paying $33/105 for outages"

This is how big overblown rumors get started.  DeNuke would be left to look pretty bad if a bunch of RP techs start calling and find out that this job is filled.  Next, they'll start blaming DeNuke for the old bait and switch.  Never mind that DeNuke never made a single false claim or backed off of a single offer.

I hear what you're saying.  I just think it could damage the company's reputation to go about starting rumors that they are promising things that they are not promising.  This crowd can be pretty harsh and demanding.  Once the word gets out that you are offering the moon and stars, it's hard to deny that even if you never said it.  Plenty of people and companies in this business have been trashed mercilessly for breaking promises that they never made.  I just don't want to see that happen here.

So, I'm just advocating that people should get all the details before they start a rumor.  Even I had a little trouble getting it all down, as you have pointed out.  In the end, nothing on this or any discussion board can take the place of actually reading the posting and getting the facts from the source.  Unfortunately, the posting is gone, which indicates that it has probably been filled already.
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« Reply #16 on: Mar 14, 2005, 04:06 »
 Beercourt those jobs  may be  gone,  But  they  are  now  offering 35-40  and  hour for  another job  they  just  posted with Per Diem.  DeNuke you  the  bomb!!   Hey why don't  everyone  hold  out   next  year  and  not  commit  to  any  outage  and  see  what  other companys  can  give  you.  DO not  commit  and  you  may   get  more  money,  There  are  tech  jobs  everywhere.  Don't  be  a  chump  and  jump  at  the  first  22 dollars  someone  throws  at  you.  That is  chump  change,  Hold  out everyone.  I  wonder if   enough techs  could  hold  out  to  influence  the  market.  Maybe  we  can  start   a  hold  out  promise  forum  in  Nuke  worker!!!.  8)

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Re: DeNuke, The new company on the block
« Reply #17 on: Mar 14, 2005, 04:25 »
Hey why don't everyone hold out next year and not commit to any outage and see what other companys can give you. DO not commit and you may get more money, There are tech jobs everywhere. Don't be a chump and jump at the first 22 dollars someone throws at you. That is chump change, Hold out everyone. I wonder if enough techs could hold out to influence the market. Maybe we can start a hold out promise forum in Nuke worker!!!. 8)

ShonkaToys, listen close.

As an individual, you can say those words.  BUT when you represent a company, you should not.  -- You may think that you do not represent a company, but by singing the praises of Shonka and DeNuke, people will associate you with those companies. -- Here is the problem with saying what you said:

Back at the turn of the century (2000), a guy named 'Rock' was posting on here and the other site for techs to hold out.  He was emailing everyone, and asking them to hold out, stating that he would get them work at a higher pay rate.  The theory being that the utilities would have to pay more if everyone held out, and the utilities would have to use his company if that is the only company that they would work for.  – Good theory.  If enough people would hold out, it would be true.

Here is what happened:  The RPM’s got wind of what Rock was preaching, and they got VERY upset with him.  Most refused to talk to him, let alone give him contracts.

If you don’t want to upset the very companies that Shonka and DeNuke are trying to court, I suggest that you keep a low tone on the “Hold out!” mantra.

Now, as I said, as an individual you can say it. But if there is any chance that an RPM might get confused and think that one of the companies whose praises you are singing posted it…

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Re: DeNuke, The new company on the block
« Reply #18 on: Mar 14, 2005, 04:36 »
Very well said Mike.

In addition the job as is posted by DeNuke is NOT a routine technician job. It is for a shipper, which is above and beyond a normal RCT function and requires specific training and qualifications, please READ the postings...
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« Reply #19 on: Mar 14, 2005, 04:40 »
It's a different job PW, the one we were talking about has been removed.

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Re: DeNuke, The new company on the block
« Reply #20 on: Mar 14, 2005, 04:45 »
Sorry for jumping the gun...mea culpa :-X

please accept my apologies.

Still a good reply to you Mike.
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« Reply #21 on: Mar 14, 2005, 05:56 »
Beercourt those jobs  may be  gone,  But  they  are  now  offering 35-40  and  hour for  another job  they  just  posted with Per Diem.  DeNuke you  the  bomb!!   Hey why don't  everyone  hold  out   next  year  and  not  commit  to  any  outage  and  see  what  other companys  can  give  you.  DO not  commit  and  you  may   get  more  money,  There  are  tech  jobs  everywhere.  Don't  be  a  chump  and  jump  at  the  first  22 dollars  someone  throws  at  you.  That is  chump  change,  Hold  out everyone.  I  wonder if   enough techs  could  hold  out  to  influence  the  market.  Maybe  we  can  start   a  hold  out  promise  forum  in  Nuke  worker!!!.  8)

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« Reply #22 on: Mar 14, 2005, 06:06 »
It's a different job PW, the one we were talking about has been removed.

http://www.nukeworker.com/job/view.php?job_id=1771

Mike,
This is a dead link.  It doesn't work now that the job posting is removed.

Another clarification, if I may.  Although I DID understand the work to be a "technician level" as far as qualifications, I meant that it wasn't "technician level" with regard to the type of work.  The stuff like outage job coverage, control point, smear-n-clear, etc. at that plant is contracted to Bartlett, and this is not a backup to that.  This work is of a particular nature, and they did advertise for both 3.1 and Rad Engineers in the same post without differentiation regarding pay.  I'm thinking that they want the First String players only.

This is why I jumped on that statement about them paying "$33/105 for outages".  The picture is a lot different.  The people on this job will not be warming a chair at a control point, or knitting scarves in the break room for 9 hours a night.  For that kind of money, you have to come ready to do the job, the whole job, and nuthin' but the job.
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« Reply #23 on: Mar 14, 2005, 07:01 »
Yeah!  Finally someone has the idea.

We 'finally' had that idea about 15 years ago. Actually the old phrase "What if they gave an outage and no HPs came?" is about twice that age or more.

As you pointed out Beer Court, some people do not have the confidence that they will have a job if they don't take the one offered to them. I have 'held out' for the job I wanted and have done ok, but that was not because the utilities suddeny were stricken with fear that the contract techs wouldn't show up. The simple fact of the matter is that once the contract is signed, the contract company is obligated to provide techs at a certain price. On rare occasions the utilities have allowed a change based on availability, but that is indeed rare, and by the time it happens, things are generally a mess. At the end very few people would consider it a success.

What would happen? My guess is not much good, in the long run. If the utilities think we are trying to hold them up and threatening their schedules, you can bet that a lot of huge cuts and strong steps will be taken. Three in, three out? Forget that one. Breaks longer than the union minimums? All gone. If you want to act like a union be prepared to be treated like one. If you think things are bad with early layoffs and thin staffing, you ain't seen nothing yet. You may get a few extra dollars in the short run, but the cost will be higher than it is worth. Just my humble opinion, of course. The old adage about biting the hand that feeds you applies even if you don't think you are being fed enough.
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« Reply #24 on: Mar 14, 2005, 10:10 »
Troy, we are saying the same thing.

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Re: DeNuke, The new company on the block
« Reply #25 on: Mar 14, 2005, 11:59 »
BC
you say that
"The gov't per-diem rate for that area is around $300.  So, $105 isn't that great"
I remember when the rate was like..$14 & $50 for a SR HP tech & like $6 & $40 for a JR HP tech with Bartlett...
So the money is pretty descent.
Competition is a good thing..even if is just ONE outage...Even the Bartlett office people agree...
I believe that you do a safety gig...maybe you were once a road tech...but i don't think it is fair to slam a new company for what they pay.
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« Reply #26 on: Mar 15, 2005, 08:04 »
Since the posting is gone I don't know what area it was, but only Vail, CO in winter has a government per diem rate around $300. After that you have levels around $250 for Manhattan, beach areas(MA, MD and NJ) in summer and some other ski areas, then the next batch is around $200.

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Re: DeNuke, The new company on the block
« Reply #27 on: Mar 15, 2005, 09:04 »
BC
you say that
"The gov't per-diem rate for that area is around $300.  So, $105 isn't that great"
I remember when the rate was like..$14 & $50 for a SR HP tech & like $6 & $40 for a JR HP tech with Bartlett...
So the money is pretty descent.
Competition is a good thing..even if is just ONE outage...Even the Bartlett office people agree...
I believe that you do a safety gig...maybe you were once a road tech...but i don't think it is fair to slam a new company for what they pay.
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Yeah, and gasoline was $0.35 a gallon when I got my license.  What does that have to do with today?
Just to please you nitpickers, I looked up the the actual per diem rate for Westchester County NY.  It is $168.  So, they are paying you 62.5% of the GSA rate for the area.  Compare that to the $85 - $95 that most outages pay, where the GSA rate is $91.  The per-diem for this job is not bad.  It is also not great.  What did I say that was incorrect?  I didn't think so.  The point is that they may or may not pay that rate at another site.  The per diem rate is usually set by the customer utility, so DeNuke should get neither credit nor blame for this dollar amount anyway.  So, it is flat WRONG to say that they are paying those rates "for outages". 
I've been an RP for a lot of years, and a lot of those were on the road.  I haven't been out of the loop for a whole year yet.  It's a little premature to bury me.
But back to the topic, this job posting is NOT in competition with Bartlett.  The job is totally outside the scope of the regular outage contract (which is held by Bartlett).
And I AM NOT SLAMMING THE COMPANY!!!!!
When are you people going to learn to comprehend what your read?
I am slamming someone for suggesting that they pay that kind of money for regular outage RP work on a regular basis.  That is setting the bar higher than the company in question can jump.  If anything I am defending the damned company by reigning in the heightened expectations that the rumor mill can put on them.
If somebody called a talk show and said,"Johnny Smith Chevrolet is selling cars for a dollar" there could be a riot of people trying to get to the lot to get their $1 car.  But, if the real story was that they were selling ONE car for a dollar to the person with the winning number, that kinda changes the story.  Still, they are giving someone a chance to get a practically free car.  That is what they want you to know.  They DO NOT want a million people to get pissed off because they didn't sell everyone a new Malibu for a buck.
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Re: DeNuke, The new company on the block
« Reply #28 on: Mar 15, 2005, 09:15 »
Yesterday they had 2 Tech jobs posted.  The rate for one was $30/hr.  I think the other was $22 or $25/hr.  In both cases, they offered an additional $3.50/hour IF you stayed until the job ended.  I am assuming you had to be there on the start date which was short notice.  I have had to fill jobs on short notice and paid more than I normally would to keep my client happy.  I make sure I tell the candidate that this is not the normal pay for the work being done.

I also give the estimated completion date so the contract employee can look for the next job.  This has caused problems since most of the jobs I staff run long.  One has run more than a year over and one is several months past the original completion date.  I imagine that is one of the reasons for the $3.50/hr bonus.  It is hard and expensive to replace someone "near the end" of the job.  A lot of knowledge is lost.

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« Reply #29 on: Mar 15, 2005, 11:06 »
Just to please you nitpickers, I looked up the the actual per diem rate for Westchester County NY.  It is $168.  What did I say that was incorrect?

Ummm... my guess is where you said it was "around $300". Granted, $168 is closer to $300 than to $1, but not by much. This topic started out with a statement that you took exception to due to what you perceived as an inaccurate assesment of dollar numbers and what they meant. You didn't make it any better by throwing out an inaccurate number of your own, so don't take offense too quickly. If you are going to 'slam someone' for inaccurate statements and in the process make one of your own, your credibility is what takes the hit.

This topic sort of fell into a 'what I earned when I started' vein, which has absolutely nothing to do with today (or the original post) and it was not supposed to... just another example of a straying topic. On the way we went through our favorite 'hold out for more' topic as well... another wounded horse due a good flailing.

What we seem to have learned (besides insight into several personalities, good or bad) is that 1) the original numbers were accurate and for a 3.1 qualified tech -- but only one. 2) there is indeed a 'new kid on the block' who just might be doing some good for our profession. 3) they apparently will have more jobs to offer in the future, but we have no idea yet what kind or at what price.

And one more thing... that job posting most certainly IS in competition with Bartlett. They do far more than put quantities of techs in outage slots. I am working for Bartlett at a non-outage job and in a non-3.1 slot as are many others including, I believe, a certain Webmaster we all know. I am sure Bartlett would not be in a hurry to hand over those positions to another company and would have been happy to fill the position that started this whole conversation in the first place.

Most of us comprehend what we read quite well, thank you. Perhaps some of us need to think faster than we type.
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« Reply #30 on: Mar 15, 2005, 11:21 »
I deleted all the posts (including my own) that strayed into "how little I made on my first job." If someone wants to start that topic, it could be interesting to hear what some of us old farts made back in the days of wooden reactors, but it does not belong here.

Thank you, Mr. Webmaster, for the golden opportunity of deleting one of YOUR posts (the first to stray totally off topic, BTW!)  ;D
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« Reply #31 on: Mar 15, 2005, 12:39 »
This topic started out with a statement that you took exception to due to what you perceived as an inaccurate assesment of dollar numbers and what they meant.

You see, Roger, this is exactly what I mean.  I did not take exception to any such thing.  I could give a rat's ass if DeNuke is paying a quarter and a cheeseburger for this job.  What I took exception to ( I am repeating this an awful lot) was the broad assertion that they were establishing the rate in question as a "going rate".
My one and only objection in this entire thread is that somebody went off and started a rumor that could be potentially damaging to someone's business interest.  The statement that DeNuke was paying "$33/105 for outages" was patently false, and I said so.
As far as the per diem goes, I think I made my point that DeNuke (or any company for that matter) does not establish a single per diem rate for all jobs, that the rate in question, while low for Westchester County NY, is still higher than anyone should expect as a lot of other sites.
When (hopefully soon) DeNuke is actually in direct competition with Bartlett at all staffing levels, nobody has a right to be pissed at them for only paying $22/90 or whatever.

And you are (once again) correct about the holding out issue.  Techs need to decide as individuals what is best for them.  Sometimes that turns out to be individual action, sometimes it is collective action.  Either way, the fate of the techs is in the hands of the techs.  Sitting by the phone, hoping that some new company will come in and (defying all business logic ) rescue us from low wages and scanty benefits ain't going to solve our problem.  E2, Atlantic, DeNuke, Shonka... et. al. will not be some kind of new Messiah for the oppressed RP techs.  THe most that anyone has a right to expect from them is that they will have integrity, treat us fairly, and keep us working.  If they can do that, their part is over.  The rest is up to us.

If someone is not as confident as you are about getting work, maybe they ought to ask themselves why.  If they can't get what you're getting, could it not be because they don't give what you're giving?  Holding out is one thing, but it doesn't mean anything unless they miss you when you're gone. 
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« Reply #32 on: Mar 15, 2005, 01:14 »
You see, Roger, this is exactly what I mean.  I did not take exception to any such thing.  I could give a rat's ass if DeNuke is paying a quarter and a cheeseburger for this job.  What I took exception to ( I am repeating this an awful lot) was the broad assertion that they were establishing the rate in question as a "going rate".

That is the 'assessment' I was referring to... not the numbers, not the job -- the 'inaccurate assessment of dollar numbers' by someone else -- specifically that they represented a sea change in the going rates. And that is what you took exception to. I happen to agree. If people get the impression that it is a going rate for outages, there will be a lot of hate and discontent to follow.
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« Reply #33 on: Mar 15, 2005, 01:48 »
Mike,  I  am  speaking  for  myself  not Shonka or  DeNUke,  but,  I  can  see  how that  can be  misinterpretted.  I  really think  that  standards  need  to be  brought  up. Like  giving  more  money  for  a  NRRPT, 22 dollars  is  ok  for a  knitter  at  the  control point. Holding  out  for  money  can  be  a  choice,  Improving  yourself to get  you  out  of  a  tech position is  a  choice.  I  make  a lot  more  than  a 22  dollar  an  hour  tech, But  I  have  improved myself,  got  my  NRRPT  and a Degree. Denuke  has  worked  well  with  me  and  I  can  only  compliment  them and  hope  they  make  a  difference by  rewarding  hard  work  and  competence, not  knitters at  control  points who  make  the same  as  job  coverage  techs at  some  plants.

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« Reply #34 on: Mar 15, 2005, 02:07 »
Just my two cents.... No one should believe that a stated pay rate will always be the same for a contract company who staffs different sites!!  You never assume its a given price until you talk to the recruiter yourself about the job specifics and get a quote in writing.  I would not take what a guy posts on this site and assume that's the companys minimum pay, EVER!  I've seen techs with the same company at the same outage with the same experience  make different money.  They each got what they agreed to. The techs were once told "If you discuss your pay rate with each other you will be fired."  I don't believe it was ever exercised but it was stated.  His comment on their pay rate might make me interested enough in that company though to check it out.  It aint true till its on paper!
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« Reply #35 on: Mar 16, 2005, 06:36 »
I have to give them their props for coming out in public with that name.  DeNuke is what happened to those guys who failed NPS or got busted for drugs in the Navy.  Either that or they are French-Canadian.  Then again, they could be using the "De"refix as a Mediterranian kind of thing.  Y'know, like: El Plaza De Nuke, or maybe a Southwestern flair: Los Comancheros De Los Nukas.
I find it hard to think that anyone will take them seriously since they put so little thought into the name of their company.  After all, the Brand Name is a the most valuable asset any business owns.  DeNuke sounds like something George Costanza (Seinfeld) would have come up with.  Do you suppose their CEO is Art Van der Lay?
On the other hand... if they can staff outages with qualified people, keep those people working, pay them with checks that don't bounce... they may overcome the stigma of having a silly name.
I wish them the best of luck in this rough business.  If they are willing to treat their employees as people, they'll have my support.

Or... 'McNuke'    :o
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I  have  worked  with  Denuke  Rad Engineers and  they  seem  to  be  a  great  company!!!!

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« Reply #37 on: Oct 27, 2005, 11:37 »
Have a friend asking about DeNuke does anyone know anything about them.  They appear to be new and pretty small so nobody here where I'm at know's anything about them.
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« Reply #38 on: Oct 28, 2005, 09:57 »
I work for Shonka but , have worked closely with DeNuke people. They seem competent in what they do and treat their people good as far as I can see.  I have not heard one bad comment about them.  They just got a 3 million dollar contract for Y12 to provide HPs.

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« Reply #39 on: Oct 28, 2005, 10:05 »
I worked with some of their techs at the Memphis/Duratek facility. They paid their techs better than what I was getting but they seemed to have a hard time getting checks to their techs on time. Maybe those are just growing pains.

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« Reply #40 on: Oct 30, 2005, 06:32 »
Had a field technician do a disposal job with them that was contracted via denuke since we manufactured the original equipment it came back here for disposal.  Our technician, who is admittedly cocky, said the guy was a f***in idiot to the RSO and myself when asked.  Further questions revealed that our tech's attitude came from the fact the Denuke fella was an ex navy nuke and had enough supplies to decon a power plant.  So being that the RSO, myself, and handful of others are ex navy nuke or F***in idiots as my esteemed colleague referred to, you can imagine the audience was less than pleased.  Previous posts seem to get the impression right.  They have their growing pains and are out there in the end to turn a profit.  I can only imagine they catch up to the curve and will say they did fine job in the little time I have worked with them.

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« Reply #41 on: Oct 31, 2005, 05:45 »
Congrats to Denuke for winning the bid on the Y-12 project in Oak Ridge. I am sure they are up to the task.

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« Reply #42 on: Oct 31, 2005, 04:01 »
does anybody know if they'll be hiring any new techs, or just rolling over the ones that are there?

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« Reply #43 on: Oct 31, 2005, 04:22 »
I heard they will be rolling over Kelly techs. They had a meeting with them last week.  I heard there was some unhappiness with the roll over, but since I was not there and certain things bother people more than others I think I will not comment on third hand information.But I would still put my resume in and talk to them if possible,If some people think they were given a bad deal they may leave. leaving the door open to others. I would think they would need techs now and then to replace ones leaving or going BWXT direct, or ones that meet their 6240 hours, 3 year rule is still in effect to my knowledge at BWXT.

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« Reply #44 on: Oct 31, 2005, 05:48 »
I'm not in the know, but from what I understand, the contract is to roll over the people there and add "Q Cleared" technecians as they come available.  The contract is for Q cleared only. (Again, I'm NOT in the know so I could be totally worong, but that is my understanding -- you could always CALL denuke.)

There are not looking to put non- cleared people in there.

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« Reply #45 on: Nov 03, 2005, 08:06 »
Worked with the Denuke folks at BNFL-ETTP at Oak Ridge for about ten months just recently and found that MOST of the their people were very very competent, excluding some that were very competent but obviously in the wrong venue.  Talked with Neil K recently and sounded like they didn't have much except that job and were only rolling people already there.  They have some folks in their camp who have been around for a long time, not just OR but all sides, so they should be able to survive.  Hope they can bounce into the commercial side to give the prodominate companies some competition but so far no one else has succeeded.  They have my resume and am looking forward to an opportunity, just not at a tech level.

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« Reply #46 on: Feb 04, 2006, 10:06 »
The old adage about biting the hand that feeds you applies even if you don't think you are being fed enough.

on the other hand, if you're starving, that hand is simply to be an extra bite of meat.  there's always another hand.
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« Reply #47 on: Feb 05, 2006, 07:39 »
so, Glo, I'm guessing that you'll be eating finger sammiches during the superbowl

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« Reply #48 on: Apr 18, 2006, 04:32 »
the DeNuke Rad Engineers at K-31/33 were great. I know a few of their shippers and they are also good, competent people. Johnna Marvin is handling most of the recruiting. She was  a road tech for several years and is an honest, friendly person. I haven't worked for them, but would be glad to if the location/job were good.

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« Reply #49 on: Apr 19, 2006, 02:34 »
Jonaha Marvin Now that is a name from the past I have not seen her since 1988 at the beaver trap.

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« Reply #50 on: Jul 26, 2006, 11:08 »
Does anyone have contact info on DeNuke?
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« Reply #51 on: Jul 26, 2006, 11:33 »
i really am not a trouble maker.  i was trying to check my options out.  i wanted to see if i could go home and work there.  havent been able to work at home for along time and thought this might be an option.   i was looking for a telephone number or a fax number.  i would appreciate any help that you could give me to obtain this information.  have a nice day and thank you advice... :)

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« Reply #52 on: Jul 26, 2006, 11:37 »
Denuke: http://www.nukeworker.com/job/view.php?company_id=203

Please go to the jobs tab, contact info for all the major companies is located there.

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« Reply #53 on: Jul 26, 2006, 02:02 »
A troublemaker was asking me

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« Reply #54 on: Jul 26, 2006, 02:29 »
sorry for the misunderstanding..i guess i woke up on the wrong side of bed.  thanks for your help...thanks again roll tide appreciate your help,,,

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« Reply #55 on: Sep 12, 2006, 12:18 »
Just finished an assignment with them, a very good company to work for.
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« Reply #56 on: Sep 12, 2006, 09:18 »
DeNuke does pay every two weeks and they hold back two weeks so it does take 4 weeks to get your first paycheck.  They do pay your PD after three weeks.  So when your money finally starts coming you get a two week paycheck one week and the next you get two weeks PD. I despise companies that cant just pay you when you should be paid.

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« Reply #57 on: Dec 14, 2010, 10:16 »
These people are some of the most incompetent folks out there.  Get everything they tell you in writing.  Bonuses and mobilization expenses not paid as promised, problems with pay accuracy and timing, and outright lies characterize their business dealings with employees.  Resumes are fluffed before being presented to clients.  A substantial portion of their contractors have recent criminal histories or substance abuse problems... If you want to be grouped in with "the bottom of the barrel," go work for this company.

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« Reply #58 on: Dec 14, 2010, 11:00 »
I work with a fine group of Denuke techs at Hanford that are first class people and professional. Be careful not to generalize.
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« Reply #59 on: Dec 14, 2010, 11:14 »
I've worked a couple of jobs with DeNuke with no problems.

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These people are some of the most incompetent folks out there.  Get everything they tell you in writing.  Bonuses and mobilization expenses not paid as promised, problems with pay accuracy and timing, and outright lies characterize their business dealings with employees.  Resumes are fluffed before being presented to clients.  A substantial portion of their contractors have recent criminal histories or substance abuse problems... If you want to be grouped in with "the bottom of the barrel," go work for this company.

Ouch! Isn't the internet great? Send a slam and run and hide. Sounds like this guy has issues. I work with and have met a number of DeNuke people here at Argonne. No problems with any of them.

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« Reply #61 on: Dec 14, 2010, 11:50 »
Interesting how these reputations are made.

I've worked with quite a few companies over the years and am very happy with Denuke. Upon my acceptance at the site Denuke sent me an agreement package and they have so far lived up to any promise they made. There have been a couple of questions come up that has taken the office a while to figure out but with a little patience everything has worked out. I've found both the local and main office to be very responsive and nice to work with. The techs here are the same you will meet anywhere - some are better than others, most complain about everything, but everyone gets the work done and stays pretty friendly.  

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« Reply #62 on: Dec 14, 2010, 12:54 »
These people are some of the most incompetent folks out there.  Get everything they tell you in writing.  Bonuses and mobilization expenses not paid as promised, problems with pay accuracy and timing, and outright lies characterize their business dealings with employees.  Resumes are fluffed before being presented to clients.  A substantial portion of their contractors have recent criminal histories or substance abuse problems... If you want to be grouped in with "the bottom of the barrel," go work for this company.

I see from your post history (there isn't one), and from the fact that you signed your name (oh, you didn't?), that you are a source I should take very seriously.

I've never worked for DeNuke, but I have worked with DeNuke many times.  I have never had any troubles with any of their employees, or the owners/managers.  Additionally, I've never had any trouble receiving payment from them for the job postings. 

I just reread the 65 posts on this thread, and the other 64 posts dating back to 2005 when they came on the scene have all been positive.  And 67% of the voters in the poll give them an average, or superior grade (More superior ~40%).  They also rank 16 out of 64 in the overall listing of favorite companies.  Not too bad for a young company.


QualityControl:

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« Reply #63 on: Dec 14, 2010, 01:31 »
Sounds like another one of those "seagull" posters....find a nice quiet thread, squawk loudly while shaking the tail and dropping a huge sticky load of guano, and then fly off....

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Re: DeNuke
« Reply #64 on: Dec 14, 2010, 06:12 »
I just got a PM from our buddy Quality Control:

sir,
I tried to reply to your response to my post about DeNuke, but evidently my privileges to respond have been revoked.  I thought the company forum was the place to post about unsatisfactory company performance.  While I admit that I only became a member to post, I do frequent your site as I am in the business.  The experiences I described are true, based on my first hand knowledge.  While I omitted details to avoid a defamatory situation, I did not generalize either.  I mentioned that a "substantial portion" of DeNuke employees had issues - again, first hand knowledge, and the information about how they do business with their clients is first hand knowledge as well.  The post is one opinion, just as valid as any of the others.  It seems that you have unfairly censored me, and it also seems that you and the majority of those who immediately posted in response have a vested interest and their opinions reflect that.  I've spoken to many techs, at Hanford and at Argonne, who feel otherwise, as I do.  Word on the street - You want the bottom of the barrel, call DeNuke.
Have a good day sir.

Your privileges have not been altered.  You have not been censored.

Clicking on the quote, or reply buttons should work for you, just as it does for any user that is LOGGED IN.

It pisses me off SO MUSH when people cry that they have been censored.  Was your post deleted? NO.  And your privileges have not been altered in any way.  Perhaps you are not capable of logging in before you click on quote, or reply.  No wonder they let you go.

Let me get this straight, the OTHER 64 of us are wrong, and have a “Vested interest”, because we have had a positive interaction with the company for over five years?  How long have you evaluated them?  Five weeks?  Five months?

You are allowed to say anything you want.  I can’t and won’t protect you from being sued for libelous or slanderous words.  But you are totally free to do so.  Just don’t get your panties in a wad if we don’t agree with you. And don’t you EVER claim that I am censoring you.  It just shows your poor character to come on a forum and anonymously defame a company.  Then to make false accusations against me?  Wow.  That adds a ton of credibility to your previous statement.

My name is Michael Rennhack, and if I had a problem with a company, and wanted the world to know it, I’d use my name. 

I’m sure you have these types of experiences with every company you deal with, they are always out to get you, huh?  Surely it couldn’t be you.

Before you told lies about me, I was willing to entertain your comments as valid, even though they were different than my experiences.  But now that you are telling lies about me too, I have no respect for you at all.  I didn’t even smite you earlier, because I respect people that have differing opinions. I surely will smite you now, as I have no respect for liars.

You claim its firsthand knowledge that a “substantial portion” of their employees had problems.  They probably have a thousand employees, how many do you know?  And it’s only “First hand” if it’s YOU.  Are you a substantial portion of their employees?  If others are telling you, then it’s second knowledge.  And if they tell you that they have herd others say it, its third hand at best.

You claim its firsthand knowledge about how they do business with their clients.  Unless YOU are a client, it’s not FIRST HAND.  Guess what?  I AM a client.  They do business with ME.  I DO know FIRST HAND.

How about you say: “I heard from a guy that heard from a guy.”, because that sounds more accurate.



(You think I should have counted to ten before I posted this?)


You want to know my hot button?  Tell me you are being censored.
« Last Edit: Dec 14, 2010, 06:42 by Rennhack »

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Re: DeNuke
« Reply #65 on: Dec 14, 2010, 11:35 »
As current employee of Denuke for the last year and a half, I can say I've had no problems.

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Re: DeNuke
« Reply #66 on: Dec 15, 2010, 11:57 »
I think that Quality control needs to watch what they say. I would hope that with all the experience this person claims to have, they would know that everyone reads these posts and that might not be the best way to get their point across. Maybe it stops them from being employed anywhere, not just with Denuke. I have worked for denuke for a couple of years and i think they have been great and everyone i have met within the company as been very helpful. I think this guy just had a bad experience. Also to mr. beer court ( whats wrong with the name DENUKE ). its doing something right they keep getting contracts all over the country. Thats my  [2cents]

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Re: DeNuke
« Reply #67 on: Dec 15, 2010, 12:25 »
Hmmmm...,. I was De-nuked, now I'm working for Denuke.....

Denuke is mostly geared toward clean up, Final Status Surveys, and shipment of radwaste. So, removal of rad or De-nuking a facility.  A couple of years ago they started a sister company called Renuke to get into the industry of the upcoming proposed new plants and facilities.
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Re: DeNuke
« Reply #68 on: Apr 27, 2019, 10:15 »
Is DeNuke now ATL?
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