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Where to start?
« on: Apr 20, 2006, 11:11 »
I've been actively looking for job opportunities in the nuke power industry since my 1 year point in the Navy.  It seems that most of the jobs posted here are only temporary and I can't find another decent site for jobs.  I'm interested in working in North Carolina but am open to other ideas.  I've been told that to get a job I have to "know somebody."  Is this true?  Could someone give a little help?

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« Reply #1 on: Apr 20, 2006, 11:39 »
Honeycomb,
I get out August 28.  I'm an EM2 and will be qualified EWS probably in the next 2-4 weeks.  I'm servin my 6 and gettin out.  I want to be an operator.  I'm open to other possibilities though.  I just found a whole new list of forums just for this topic. LOL.  ohh well...
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« Reply #2 on: Apr 20, 2006, 11:57 »
Jason,
I'm glad this post hasnt gone unnoticed.  Any help as to where to start from anyone is much appreciated.  I just registered with Bartlett.  Hope that was useful...

Brent

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Re: Where to start?
« Reply #3 on: Apr 21, 2006, 07:14 »
Brent,
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Bartlett would be a good idea if you can work as a Junior RadConTech for the Fall outage season. Many people love to work the outages (Spring and Fall) and then draw unemployment during the off-months. It is good money.
If I remember correctly, Bartlett has more employees at the Duke plants in other things, but I don't think they have electrical maintenance.

You need to check the websites for the companies you would like to work (permanent) very often. Weekly is good for most, but TVA has started posting some on Friday and close on Monday (even on holiday weekends!)

Keep up the work on EWS; it will be valuable when the time comes for moving up to licensed positions.
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« Reply #4 on: Aug 18, 2006, 07:43 »
I am now 10 days out and still not alot of opportunities.  Man, this job searching isn't near as easy as I hoped it would be...  Oh well.  I qualified EWS and EDPO, not sure if that is gonna help much.  We'll see.  If anyone has any other ideas about where an electrician might like to go and do, let me know.

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Re: Where to start?
« Reply #5 on: Aug 18, 2006, 08:18 »
Why would EWS/EDPO be of any significance?

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« Reply #6 on: Aug 19, 2006, 01:11 »
As harsh as Mike makes it sound,he is actually a nice guy, when TN has a good football team (which is why he has been grumpy for so long) anyway if you just qualified and then got out then you did not stand the watch and thus really have no experience standing it.  It is going to show to those who know as you got a kiss goodbye from your boat, kind of like they give everyone a early promote on thier transfer eval evne thought they got a promotable on thier last regular eval!! Not that you did not work hard to get the qual and you most likely know your stuff to get it, but I am not sure how much a "paper" qual will carry.  Do you have a degree? What else have you done?

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« Reply #7 on: Aug 19, 2006, 10:53 »
You have a great resume for an NLO job.  I just checked monster.com and searched for nuclear operator.  There are 4 companies hiring as of today.  Washington State, NJ, PA and SC.  Submit your resumes there and also check hotjobs.com.  Don't look to nukeworker.com for operator job leads.  This site is for nuclear support staff positions and views and opinions are slanted that way.

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Re: Where to start?
« Reply #8 on: Aug 19, 2006, 11:01 »
Don't look to nukeworker.com for operator job leads.  This site is for nuclear support staff positions and views and opinions are slanted that way.

Not to say don't cover all your bases and check everywhere when looking for jobs. However a quick check of the job board here @ NukeWorker popped up 5 operations jobs being posted. ;)

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« Reply #9 on: Aug 20, 2006, 02:35 »
We're looking to hire AOs now and next year.  This years class will start in October so there is still time to test and interview.

I sent you an email with specifics.

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« Reply #10 on: Aug 20, 2006, 07:52 »
Why do you think they are having trouble hiring there?

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« Reply #11 on: Aug 20, 2006, 09:46 »
Why do you think they are having trouble hiring there?

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The entrance tests.  We lose over 50% of the candidates after the POSS. 

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« Reply #12 on: Aug 20, 2006, 10:59 »
Wow!! Are any of the one who do not make past test Navy nukes?

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Re: Where to start?
« Reply #13 on: Aug 21, 2006, 08:49 »
The POSS Test usually nails about 60% of the Navy Nukes that take it.

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« Reply #14 on: Aug 21, 2006, 02:01 »
WOW!!! Why so bad?  What is it about the test that can knock such a high percentage of people who should already have the basic skills forthe job?

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« Reply #15 on: Aug 21, 2006, 03:10 »
I'm still not sure why people think Navy Nukes have any more basic skills that anyone else to be a successful commercial nuke. Fact is it's not true.

I'm NOT a big fan of the POSS. The intent is to put you in a high pressure situation and make you work quickly. You have to answer a lot of questions quickly in order for it to even be graded, if you don't you fail. It's so Anti Ethical to how a nuke thinks its not even funny, then again as a test of adaptibility I guess it does its job. Most Navy nukes aren't all that adaptable. They become victims of their training and not products of it.

I took the POSS 7 times and completed it everytime but I read and think quickly. During 3 of the times I took it guys I graduated nuke school were there, and I mean guys who did 3.6 or better. I was the only one of the group of guys I knew who passed. Since they were escorted out immediately after the test I don't know what tripped them up.

I think a much harder test is the one that So Cal Edison gave for Chemistry Technician. It was tougher than any Chem test I took in the Navy and as an ELT.

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« Reply #16 on: Aug 21, 2006, 03:49 »
I was going under the basic premsis that the Navy nuke have had to take so many tests and given his (and now adays her) basic educational level they should not be rattled...  But I do conceede that they are not used to being really pressed for time on thier tests and I can also imagine that many of them go in blind (assuming they already know it all).  If you do not take the tie to look into it (like those of us wanabes here on this board) I guess you could get burned.

I guess the followup question I would have is how many of them knew it was coming and still bombed it, and do you think they were unprepared or uncapable.

On one level I can relate to the basic concept because when I was on recruiting duty I saw several guys kill the coding speed, and math knowledge section but get killed in the Arithmatic Resaoning (alg math). Then another guy would do the oppsite.

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« Reply #17 on: Aug 21, 2006, 05:45 »
I'm just amazed the nuke industry, which stresses good careful work uses a test where speed is the utmost.

As for the guys who failed it... One was a very sharp guy from my nuke school section named Mark P. He had a 3.7 Nuke School Average and I though was one of the brightest people I met in the Navy. When he failed the POSS at DTE it was the 3rd time he'd failed it within a year. So he knew what was coming.

Another guy named Dave, who was a student of mine at Prototype walked into a POSS test without knowing what was gonna be on it, he hadn't been in the industry since 1990, hasn't taken a test since 1989 and damn near aced the thing.

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« Reply #18 on: Aug 21, 2006, 05:53 »
So I guess that means it is a least a good aptitude test for what it tests for! Now as to weather that aptitdue is what is requierd to be a good operator, I will have to defer to your judgement.

I plan on busting my butt to be prepared! I often have trouble with my brain being faster than my hands and mouth so I hope I can over come it. I have read the threads on preping and think most of the key are things I am good at but we shall see.
Hopefully I am more like Dave than Mark!
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« Reply #19 on: Aug 21, 2006, 06:58 »
I'm still not sure why people think Navy Nukes have any more basic skills that anyone else to be a successful commercial nuke. Fact is it's not true.

that's silly. so you are saying picking anybody off the street and trying to train him to be a Commercial Nuke is going to be just as easy as an Ex-Navy Nuke.? C'mon now, please anybody trying to glean info disregard this post.  Let's get real here.  Re-Phrase that one or explain it.  An Ex-Navy nuke has worked in a nuclear plant whereas some other random guy hasn't even worked with nuclear... i think it is good to have some navy guys and some non-navy guys but you've made a silly statement that you may need to edit, right?

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« Reply #20 on: Aug 21, 2006, 09:10 »
Uh No. Why would I edit what I've found to be true? That by the way is not a shot at Navy nukes, I was a Navy nuke and am very proud of it, however in the commercial world I haven't found much difference between the Navy nukes and the people with no previous naval experience. I never once said it wasn't good to have Navy mixed with Non Navy. I'llk take a former deconner without Naval Experience over an EWS just getting out of the navy just about any day.

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« Reply #21 on: Aug 21, 2006, 09:51 »
How about former Navy guys who were conventional operators, I have met quite a few MM (some not even not former nuc rocks) and BT who were sharp operators.  Ever run into any?

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« Reply #22 on: Aug 21, 2006, 11:14 »
but a former deconner isn't just "anyone else".  anyone else means anyone else.  I could see your point with a former deconner, he already has commercial experience, that makes sense, but to say I'd take anyone else over a navy nuke seems crazy.  maybe that's not what you really meant.

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« Reply #23 on: Aug 21, 2006, 11:36 »
yeah, I've seen some, rocks and non-rocks.  they were all pretty good as far as I can remember.

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« Reply #24 on: Aug 22, 2006, 09:38 »
Let's get back on topic here please. If you want to discuss the merits of new nukes with or without Navy experience based on your personal experience, please start a new thread.

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« Reply #25 on: Aug 23, 2006, 09:46 »
How about former Navy guys who were conventional operators, I have met quite a few MM (some not even not former nuc rocks) and BT who were sharp operators.  Ever run into any?

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One of the sharpest guys I worked with was previously an operator at a trash to energy plant!

But to get back on target, there are many jobs that have some similarity to the Navy experience. That experience will serve you well.
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« Reply #26 on: Aug 24, 2006, 03:30 »
As harsh as Mike makes it sound,he is actually a nice guy, when TN has a good football team (which is why he has been grumpy for so long) anyway if you just qualified and then got out then you did not stand the watch and thus really have no experience standing it.  It is going to show to those who know as you got a kiss goodbye from your boat, kind of like they give everyone a early promote on thier transfer eval evne thought they got a promotable on thier last regular eval!! Not that you did not work hard to get the qual and you most likely know your stuff to get it, but I am not sure how much a "paper" qual will carry.  Do you have a degree? What else have you done?

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No hard feelings taken.  I was fortunate in that I qualified in April and the Chiefs were 3 section, so I did stand both EWS and EDPO.  I learned alot more than I thought there was to everything.  Don't know if this will help in the civilian world or not...  What can I study to get ready for this POSS test everyone is talking about?
And WOW, we got off on a tangent on this post...
Brent

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Re: Where to start?
« Reply #27 on: Aug 24, 2006, 10:28 »
Get an ASVAB Study Guide, the kind that gives you ten practice tests.

Take the first test

Then take 5 minutes off the time it took you to take that test and take the second test.

Keep shaving time until you feel you can work as quickly and accurately as possible. I've coached 4 guys to ASVAB success using this method, two of whom had failed it multiple times.

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« Reply #28 on: Aug 24, 2006, 10:36 »
Ya know, I really made an error in a previous post. Given the choice between just some guy off the street and a Navy Nuke I'd be an idiot not to choose the Navy Nuke.

Given the choice between a Navy Nuke and a person who isn't a Navy nuke but has worked in a commercial facility (deconner, RP, Maintenance, Chem Tec, Fire Protection) I'd say the later has an advantage and ends up paying for him or herself sooner. Mostly this is because what they lack in technical knowledge they more than make up for in their knowledge in how things are done at a commercial plant. Due to the nature of Navy training, much of it is "in rate" the Navy guys usually have a more limited scope and breadth of knowledge, though within their specialities they have a lot of depth. The depth they have in that one area on the bigger scale is small compared with the breadth they have to learn in the commercial world. There is no "in rate" as a commercial operator, it's all in rate.

Keep in mind this only applies in Operations. I can't speak for RP or Maintenance. I was at one time a Maintenance Supervisor at my old station. One thing I did find is dirt burners tended to be better in the maintenance departments than Navy Guys, mostly because in a dirt burner maintenance does a LOT more than the average navy nuke was exposed to. Once the Navy guy gets up and running and becomes a journeyman I doubt there is all that much difference.

I and C. Definitely Ex Navy Nuke. With one notable exception, one of the best I and C guys I ever had work for me was a Non Navy guy who worked as a contractor. At Perry they wanted to make him some sort of I and C Supervisor but he likes playing volleyball full time in the fall so he went the contract route. Most likely the FIRS Team guys at Fermi remember him, his name was Richard an he was African American/Philipino/American Indian and had the wickedest set of tats I've ever seen. Great guy, super I and C tech, Smart as all hell and fun to be around. I can tell you this, whenever he decided to go on the road he'd have a job within a day. As a whole Fermi was blessed with a huge percentage of very good I and C Techs, one thing I've found in the commercial world, there are a LOT of superior instrument people.

I had nothing but Non Navy Wire Biters working for me and I found them to be outstanding and a great bunch of guys. Hard Workers and you didn't have to supervise them a whole lot. ALTHOUGH they were a disrespectful lot.

The thing I think everyone should take away from this, when you get that interview your pedigree DOESN"T matter one bit. You have to sell yourself in that interview. Your resume only opens a door long enough for you to be a guest, if you want to reside in the house you'd best convince the interviewers you'd be a good resident.

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« Reply #30 on: Aug 24, 2006, 01:10 »
Excellent post Mike!  I can clearly see what you mean abuot being rounded vs focused when comparing Navy guys to civ exp workers.  Does bring me a question (even kind of along line of thread) does it make a diff if the Navy guys were career guys or 6/8 and out types.
(My 1st instinct was to think 20 yr guys would be better, but on reflection I can imagine some will suffer form "authority withdrawl" having forgotten what it took them to get senior enough to stay 20.)

Funny about the wire-biters but even in the Navy they are the group (both Nuc and non-nuc) that was the biggest bunch of wise asses on every ship I have been to (n the Engineering world at least) and I have been on over 20 different ships for various inspections.

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« Reply #31 on: Aug 24, 2006, 01:35 »
Nah, I don't really see that much difference, on the other hand I can't really say I've seen enough of the 20 and out population to make a valid comparison. I have worked with 3 retirees, 2 did well, one didn't but that was more due to attitude than technical skill.

I now work with a Mustang who ended up as a commander and he's very well thought of by the maintenance folk. I like the guy.

I think a lot of the retiree not want to buckle to another authority gets weeded out at the interview and never makes it to the plant.

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« Reply #32 on: Aug 24, 2006, 04:32 »
OK lets get this thread fresh and on topic. 

What kinds of thing have you heard during interview that have been positive points, things applicants have said that helped themselfs.  I guess I am trying to get sneak peek at interview process.

What should not be said (besides the no brainer like "Drugs? why no, not yet today, you got any)  Again I want to know what might look/sound bad in an interview for a nuc operation job.

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« Reply #33 on: Aug 25, 2006, 01:39 »
just go on and on about how much you want a lic.  if you are ex-navy then make sure you can convince them why you really want to work at this particular nuc plant.  alot of ex-navy nukes know they can easily get a job at a nuke plant, so if they can't get the one they really want, they settle for another one until the one they want comes up.  therefore the first nucplant is out time, money, effort, and another potential lic.  sell yourself on wanting to live in that area.  you may want to find out if the particular plant requires operators to be fire brigade or some other hat, and if you are also better qualified than the next guy.  many navy nukes had fire brigade type stuff for damage control aboard vessel, so your in for that hat.  operators work in hot/cold environs usually.  let them know if you been there done that and it doesn't bother you.  let them know you are physically fit to do the job. don't smoke before your interview or during breaks.  wear a lighter colored suit.

1. qualified to do the job (ex-navy nuke, college, etc.)
2. want to do the job and then get a lic.
3. want to stay in the area for whatever reason besides a paycheck
4. willing to do a little extra to save company money, like fire brigade

have concrete reasons WHY you can do all the above, examples from past work exp that spotlight your ability to do the above, and some special things that show you can just work well with others, but don't bring that up, make it part of an example (diversity).

I actually got to know the HR lady that was doing the hiring on he phone and built a rapport with her and asked her what she thought.  she told me the personalities of a couple of the interviewers (there were 4) and so I had a small advantage there.  try that.

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« Reply #34 on: Aug 25, 2006, 08:55 »
Bravo, this is exactly the type of advice I was looking for.  Anything I you know ahead of time is going to help!  Good stratgey with the HR rep, the more info one has the more prepared for the battle you will be!!

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« Reply #35 on: Aug 25, 2006, 09:20 »
What can I study to get ready for this POSS test everyone is talking about?
And WOW, we got off on a tangent on this post...
Brent

EEI POSS practice tests.  Most of the company web sites have a link to the practice exams.  Follow the directions and time alloted for practice.  The math is more extensive than the practice.  The practice only encompasses the conversions.  The real exam will also have basic algebra and some basic word problems.  Be prepared for more math.

 

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« Reply #36 on: Aug 29, 2006, 10:13 »
You would think with all the bad things we hear about this test someone would sell a study guide or a specific perp course.

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Re: Where to start?
« Reply #37 on: Aug 30, 2006, 12:15 »
You would think with all the bad things we hear about this test someone would sell a study guide or a specific perp course.

Rob

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« Reply #38 on: Aug 30, 2006, 01:04 »
Actually I saw the book at Barnes and Noble but I meant an actual book like the Gre books or asvab ones . I plan on using the one you listed along with the asvab books to prep.  Thanks for the thought, but I was more waxing rethotrical than saying I could not find one.

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« Reply #39 on: Aug 30, 2006, 01:14 »
Don't bother, the ASVAB is all you'll need. I wouldn't waste my money on anything else.

The reason there's no study guide is the test isn't publicly available. The utilities keep it under lock and key, and in the time you're given to take it it's virtually impossible to memorize.

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