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Raising the Bar
« on: Apr 29, 2003, 12:42 »
Lets raise the bar...Lets talk about something nuclear.

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Re: end the gossip and petty stuff
« Reply #1 on: Apr 30, 2003, 10:03 »
AMEN, BROTHER ALPHA!

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Re: end the gossip and petty stuff
« Reply #2 on: Apr 30, 2003, 04:49 »
(gosh, remember the days of RAD Services...lol...yea i worked for them, and Eli was good on benefits... but u didnt hear that from me)

perhaps a more serious venue would inspire some to contribute, seek middle ground to achieve resolution and be the answer to situations that cause many questions.  

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Re: end the gossip and petty stuff
« Reply #3 on: Apr 30, 2003, 06:39 »
Alphadude, What you're wanting to do (My interpretation) is "Raise the Bar" at the site, just as our industry has been doing for years. (INPO wouldn't fib to us would they?)  It's an admirable aspiration but I don't think it'll ever happen completely.  

People being people, especially people who spend a lot of time working 12 hour days, are going to blow off steam when & where they can.  That's one of the functions of the site.  The cool thing is that Mike trusts us to for the most part be human prodding us back to reality when the limit is reached or passed.  

People want to discuss Politics & Religion, a Politics & Religion board is formed.  (You get the picture.)  I think the "gossip & trivial issues" will always be there in one form or another.  How far it goes depends on our reaction to it when it appears.  

I'd come up with more but I've been up almost a day so I'll see if sleep helps.  

It's basically member driven.  Run it up the flagpole (Which you've done) & see if it flies.  
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Re: end the gossip and petty stuff
« Reply #4 on: Apr 30, 2003, 07:15 »
I come to this site to find out what people are thinking...YES even PC. I may not agree with them, but I find out what they are thinking. It may even change the way that I thought about a subject. I've learned that some of the subjects are things that I've had on my mind, but did not want to bring up.
That is the reason that this is an open site...
Please keep it the way it is...maybe improve it...but keep it an open area for our thoughts and idea's!!!

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Re: end the gossip and petty stuff
« Reply #5 on: Apr 30, 2003, 08:36 »


or i could ask, has anyone had unusual experiences with P-10 at lower temperatures (0 deg. C) and what effects have u encountered with the lower grades of gas?




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Re: end the gossip and petty stuff
« Reply #6 on: May 01, 2003, 01:42 »
hey does anyone know the "claw". story goes he picked up a fuel pellet and threw it down the drain when he saw his RO2 go off scale!! bout blowed the meter outta his hand!! not that is a RAT to be hanging with!!!!   ahh nuke history!!!  

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Re: end the gossip and petty stuff
« Reply #7 on: May 01, 2003, 04:16 »
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ok i give! LET THE GAMES BEGIN!! So, which side do i go with this week?  

or i could ask, has anyone had unusual experiences with P-10 at lower temperatures (0 deg. C) and what effects have u encountered with the lower grades of gas?



never did 0 degrees C with p-10 instrumentation, but then i figger i'm a young man still, p'rhaps there's still time.  however, i have noticed that when temps drop below 32 degrees farenheit, accuracy is enhanced by re-plateau maneuvers.  i ony use industrial/instrumentation grade of p-10 gas, as is commonly available.  haven't had any experience with pharmaceutical grade.
boyoboyoboy.... cain't wait to find out wut is in store fer next week :-?
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Re: end the gossip and petty stuff
« Reply #8 on: May 01, 2003, 11:54 »
naaaa i've used large p detectors in all type of temps, well below 0 C, and never had problems.  its those feekin ludlums that seems to give fits.  typically though i use u-p grade and like i said never had problems. i'm thinkin that junk grade p-10 may be the issue. (technical)

wouldnt a denser gas induce a multipication factor??? such as in the neher-white chamber?? hmm go figure  waitin with baited breath...


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Re: end the gossip and petty stuff
« Reply #9 on: May 01, 2003, 12:28 »
alls i know is that our efficiency  rose up to where it was supposed to be when we redid the probes (43-68 ) while working outside in the winter....  had fed and state auditors opine that  they were glad to see that we had done it prior (weeks) to their entrance to the site.... but then again, therez still time. ;)
not familiar with the neher-white detector mentioned, but since the gas multiplication factor is directly dependent on the applied voltage, i'm thinking knot.
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Re: end the gossip and petty stuff
« Reply #10 on: May 01, 2003, 02:12 »
i ain't sayin when i worked for rad.... but it wuz before george got into trouble wid the feds.
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« Reply #11 on: May 01, 2003, 03:23 »
well it should rise according to the laws of physics and gas density.. more material to ionize per cc. but on my equipment its only a 1-2% variance and that is all asorbed in the stats over the long haul.

im thinking crappy gas.. and thats what i was fishing for.. i hear all these legends of gas separation etc... and i have not encountered any probs unless we use low grade..

bone dry uhp p10 the way to go!!

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Re: end the gossip and petty stuff
« Reply #12 on: May 05, 2003, 10:02 »
i got my bonus from eli bnefore i started wid 'em.... but taht's a story for anudder thread where we don't due petty stuff 'n gossip.  ;D

so i wuz like thinkin, which i hate happenin on mondaze, but iffen a licensee wood make his release limits the same for fixed as they are for loose contamination, 'n dial in his probes for these limits, coodent he save a ton of cash by not smearing anything that met the limit for fixed?
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Re: end the gossip and petty stuff
« Reply #13 on: May 05, 2003, 10:48 »
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i got my bonus from eli bnefore i started wid 'em.... but taht's a story for anudder thread where we don't due petty stuff 'n gossip.  ;D

so i wuz like thinkin, which i hate happenin on mondaze, but iffen a licensee wood make his release limits the same for fixed as they are for loose contamination, 'n dial in his probes for these limits, coodent he save a ton of cash by not smearing anything that met the limit for fixed?


He would have to lower his limit for 'total' contamination to the limit for 'removable' contamination... in which case, he would loose a 'ton o cash' when throwing away things as Rad waste when they are actually releasable.

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Re: end the gossip and petty stuff
« Reply #14 on: May 06, 2003, 10:52 »

sew sorry, i see dat i miscommunicated somewhat here.... how unlike me!  anywaze, i was tinken more of licensees wid a "zero tolerance" stance..... like the onez dat won't let stuff go iffen yer needle swingz ona frisker anyway, but still make ya smear it...... seems like a waste a time 'n money.  since time is money, it's a double waste a money.  ;)   sew, iffen ya make both limits the same, ya save by not doing the smear thing, 'n iffen yer needle moves, well yinze were gonna keep it anywaze.
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Re: end the gossip and petty stuff
« Reply #15 on: May 06, 2003, 01:41 »
OK Alpha Dude, What would you like to see? As you should realize by the response to your thread, the members are willing and ready to respond to nearly any posts. We even have a "salty or sweet" thread? We are all just waiting to join in, therefore, grab the reins and lead in the direction you believe is better. There will be a few stray comments from time to time but that is what makes it interesting.

Start the roll

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Re: end the gossip and petty stuff
« Reply #16 on: May 07, 2003, 04:21 »
'k, like i axed dis long time ago ona thread far, far away 'n nobuddy answered then, p'rhaps now, on dis thread they will.... what is the isotope with the longest half life?
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Re: end the gossip and petty stuff
« Reply #17 on: May 07, 2003, 04:47 »
baloneyium or is it congoleum? gees i might have to look it up in the book of useless knowledge!!! why its protium (H)naturally, greater than 1032 years remember not all isotopes are radioactive. is this some sort of trick question???  

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Re: end the gossip and petty stuff
« Reply #18 on: May 07, 2003, 07:42 »
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'k, like i axed dis long time ago ona thread far, far away 'n nobuddy answered then, p'rhaps now, on dis thread they will.... what is the isotope with the longest half life?


The isotope with the longest known half-life is tellur-128 (1.5E24 years) and with the shortest is radium-216m (7E-9 s= 7 ns).

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Re: end the gossip and petty stuff
« Reply #19 on: May 07, 2003, 07:46 »
In releated news:

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Bismuth breaks half-life record for alpha decay
23 April 2003

Physicists in France have measured the longest ever radioactive half-life - over twenty billion billion years - in a naturally occurring element that decays by emitting alpha-particles. Nőel Coron and colleagues at the Institut d'Astrophysique Spatiale in Orsay used a 'scintillating bolometer' at very low temperatures to detect the emission of alpha particles - charged particles that consist of two protons and two neutrons - as bismuth-209 decays into thallium-205 (P de Marcillac et al. 2003 Nature 422 876).

Although bismuth-209 is commonly thought to be the heaviest stable isotope that exists in nature, theory suggests that it should be metastable and decay via alpha-particle emission to thallium-205. This decay is not easy to measure because the alpha particles generated have very little energy, which means that the isotope decays at a very low rate.

The equipment used by the Orsay team consists of two "heat and light" detectors that are enclosed in a reflecting cavity and cooled to 20mk. The first detector- containing bismuth-209, germanium and oxygen - undergoes a slight temperature rise when it absorbs an alpha particle. This temperature change is measured in the form of a voltage pulse whose amplitude is directly proportional to the energy released. The second detector, made from a thin disk of germanium, registers the light flashes from alpha-particle events.

The team performed two measurements, one with 31 grams of bismuth in the detector and the other with 62 grams. The scientists registered 128 alpha-particle events over 5 days and found an unexpected line in the spectrum at 3.14 MeV - now attributed to bismuth-209 decay. The half-life was calculated to be (1.9 +/- 0.2 ) x 1019 years, which is in good agreement with the theoretical prediction of 4.6 x 1019 years.

The technique could be also be used to accurately detect beta and gamma decays. "The experiment is a by-product of our search for dark matter," team member Pierre de Marcillac told PhysicWeb. "Other kinds of decays such as protons from proton-rich nuclei could be studied by the same method but this will have to be proved!"

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Re: end the gossip and petty stuff
« Reply #20 on: May 08, 2003, 05:05 »
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The isotope with the longest known half-life is tellur-128 (1.5E24 years) and with the shortest is radium-216m (7E-9 s= 7 ns).


eye cee dat i errored in making dassumption of isotopically speaking in this thread/forum we'd all be on the radioisotopic page..... shoulda fricken known better :-[!  anywayz, my answers were po212 @ 298ns  & v50 @ 1.4e17 y.  sigh...
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« Reply #21 on: May 09, 2003, 05:04 »
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Re: end the gossip and petty stuff
« Reply #22 on: May 13, 2003, 02:45 »
On the Rad Services thread....

Rumor had it, at the time of their liquidation, that profit sharing checks were distributed...  Any validity?

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« Reply #23 on: May 13, 2003, 07:38 »
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On the Rad Services thread....

Rumor had it, at the time of their liquidation, that profit sharing checks were distributed...  Any validity?


Yes. It was a miracle. I was recently divorced and broke from the fight and payoff, trying to feed a couple of kids, and one day, poof! out of no where, totally unexpected, came a check from Rad Services. Saved the day and took me through the short rough spot. I got it 1986-7ish.
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« Reply #24 on: May 13, 2003, 03:43 »
ohhh a puzzel.. what color is cherenkov in air. we know its blue in water...  i almost gave it away... lol

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Re: end the gossip and petty stuff
« Reply #25 on: May 14, 2003, 08:26 »
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what color is cherenkov in air.


by definition, cherenkov radiation is blue in color.  it cannot be any other color.  cherenkov radiation is named after Pavel Cherenkov when he was asked look at the effects of radioactivity in liquids.  therefore, if it is cherenkov radiation, it is blue, because it is the color given off by radiation exceeding the speed of light in the liquid media.  in air that media would be water, since the question asks for the color of cherenkov in air.
as a collary question, what colors other than blue would be given by other media in which radiation is exceeding the speed of light for that media?
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« Reply #26 on: May 14, 2003, 01:55 »
Off topic.  Mike needs to take you all to the wood shed.  Go cut a hickory switch.
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« Reply #27 on: May 14, 2003, 04:12 »
hmmm my research indicates its polychromatic.  it peaks out in water at the blue wavelength. some reports of russian events state that it was seen as red.  personnel working on pool reactors report that they would give people "light shows" by pulsing air thru those reactors and produce a blinding white light  followed by the burp of the air coming to the top of the pool- thus creating an excretory event in most observers pants!

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« Reply #28 on: May 14, 2003, 07:56 »
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Off topic.  Mike needs to take you all to the wood shed.  Go cut a hickory switch.


I don’t know, they are ending the gossip and petty stuff... sort of... seems to kind of be on topic.

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Re: end the gossip and petty stuff
« Reply #29 on: May 15, 2003, 04:28 »
alphadude.... yinze gettin me cornfuzed here.  1st ya said "we know its blue in water" which lead me to understand that you were referencing visible light wavelengths as detected by the human eye.... could be my bad, ya no?  but then ya gets inta yer polychromatic stuff.... so now i needs to know whatinell yer knowledge base is 'n what are yer discussion boundaries?
in most media blue light predominates over longer wavelengths of light, not to say there aren't other wavelengths in the spectrum produced.  but, getting back to yer original question..."what color is cherenkov in air", note that the solar tower atmospheric cherenkov effect experiment (stacee) "uses a large field of solar mirrors (heliostats) at the National Solar Thermal Test Facility near Albuequerque, NM. These mirrors were built for solar energy research conducted during the daytime. STACEE uses the mirrors at night for astronomy. The mirrors collect quick flashes of blue Cherenkov light that result from gamma-ray interactions in the atmosphere. The Cherenkov light is then detected and recorded by the STACEE equipment."
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« Reply #30 on: May 15, 2003, 09:32 »
First of all let's define 'air', and can we say that the real question is.... Why is the sky blue?

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« Reply #31 on: May 15, 2003, 09:39 »
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First of all let's define 'air', and can we say that the real question is.... Why is the sky blue?

sky blue question already dun on itz own thread...... who cares what air is, the real question is why is it there?  'n bill cosby already answered that...."to blow up basketballs, footballs, 'n volleyballs." ;D
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« Reply #32 on: May 15, 2003, 04:16 »
I havent seen any literature that would suggest that its monochromatic... after filtering it is...

the cherenkov spectrum is polychromatic with peak transmission around the blue end of the spectrum, so if we used a difraction grating we can separate the other components outs.  high energy blue predominates the "light shock" wave known as cherenkov and on either side of that peak... we find the other stuff.. one side would be in the ultra violet while the other would be towards the reds.  oh well interesting question! because there would be less filtering in air there should be some color shift towards the red end. so is it purple in air?? hence the russian report of red in air???

i'm kinda thinkin that anybody that has seen it, is dead!!

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« Reply #33 on: May 15, 2003, 05:08 »
I didn't think cherenkov occurred in air because the particles never exceed the light speed in air which is far greater than that of water.

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« Reply #34 on: May 16, 2003, 01:47 »
yep it can happen..well according to theory.  remember the definition is transparent media.. air meets that criteria. it can't occur in vacuum.  thats really the reason for the question.. anyone know of any events which describe it in air?? but i think most are dead that know.

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« Reply #35 on: May 16, 2003, 09:50 »
Never have heard any reference in air...                                                                                                          However, CERENKOV light is given by the equation;                                                                                                            I(v)=const/(v2) x 1-1/b2n2                                                                                                                which tells us that it is not just radiation but electron radiation and it is dependent on the medium in which it passes so the question 'define air ' is relavent. Dont know about polychromatic??
 

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« Reply #36 on: May 16, 2003, 11:23 »
Go to the back of your Gollnicks and you can read about the accidents where those direct attendees saw the blue light. The bad news for them was the light is not from radiation slowing in the air, but from slowing in the fluid of the eyes.
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« Reply #37 on: May 19, 2003, 06:36 »
oh i have heard that the eye fluid will flash..should do real well, but the catarac has got to be an inch thick after...

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Re: end the gossip and petty stuff
« Reply #38 on: May 21, 2003, 07:03 »
not to worry, the retina detachment will null & void the cataract.
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« Reply #39 on: May 21, 2003, 01:57 »
anbuddy got 'the problem of the week' fer dis thread?
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« Reply #40 on: May 21, 2003, 02:35 »
If you could be an element, what element would you be and why.
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« Reply #41 on: May 21, 2003, 02:39 »
Carbon cause under the right conditions I can be a diamond.

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« Reply #42 on: May 21, 2003, 02:46 »
A million years of heat and pressure? Sounds like my past life.Right now I should be urainium because I'm about to split.
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« Reply #43 on: May 21, 2003, 06:02 »
ok why do ludlum  43-68 and 43-68/5 detectors respond to light.. surely its not the photo electric effect reacting with the P10 or is it??

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« Reply #44 on: May 28, 2003, 07:50 »
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If you could be an element, what element would you be and why.

hg.... shiny, cool stuff.... fluid is most common state, vaporizes at low thermal threshold, rarely found hard.
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« Reply #45 on: May 29, 2003, 04:46 »
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ok why do ludlum  43-68 and 43-68/5 detectors respond to light.. surely its not the photo electric effect reacting with the P10 or is it??


i alwaze thought that it was the ultra violet ionizing in the probe.  usually found this to occur working outside on bright daze with the 1/2 meter probes,(239-F, is that right?) and that was when i worked for a contractor who replaced his own mylars.  perhaps he only used a single layer.... especially since we wuz chasin alphas ina steel mill.  also found that it didn't happen when using in a floor monitor mode, but when we used the probes in a hand held mode it would get kinda screwy.  usually when we had the probe off the surface, ala free air.
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« Reply #46 on: May 30, 2003, 01:23 »
slo-go im getting several responses on this subject, and it is perplexing. we had it happen with high intensity indoor lights- and also when outside it fails low and stays low. the indoor lights caused very high readings (200k dpm) so is it UV, electronic or whut?  

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Re: Raising the Bar
« Reply #47 on: Jun 02, 2003, 06:59 »
alphadude....what kinda indoor lights r u using?  check out the uv content of the spectrum 'n let me know wotinell ya find out.
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Re: end the gossip and petty stuff
« Reply #48 on: Jul 12, 2003, 12:59 »
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Never have heard any reference in air...                                                                                                          However, CERENKOV light is given by the equation;                                                                                                            I(v)=const/(v2) x 1-1/b2n2                                                                                                                which tells us that it is not just radiation but electron radiation and it is dependent on the medium in which it passes so the question 'define air ' is relavent. Dont know about polychromatic??
 




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Re: end the gossip and petty stuff
« Reply #49 on: Nov 21, 2004, 12:49 »
oh i have heard that the eye fluid will flash..should do real well, but the catarac has got to be an inch thick after...

The early days of spaceflight had the astronauts seeing unknown random bright flashes of light that were later determined to be cosmic rays causing the eye fluid to scinalate.
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Re: Raising the Bar
« Reply #50 on: Nov 22, 2004, 03:44 »
alphadude, during the mid 80s I was at a open pool research reactor when the operators gave us a "treat".  Our instructor had us line up on the opposite end of the pool from the Rx, told us not to look directly at it or move. Then the operators cut off all the containment lights making it so dark in there you could not see the end of your nose. They then "pulsed" the reactor and it indeed produced a blinding white light. They turned the lights back on then and I do not remember any bubbles coming out of the water, but I may have missed them. That "pulse" was brighter than anything else I have ever seen. I have always wondered what all radiation was produced by the pulsing of the Rx. I do know our normal dosimetry did not record any large exposure for the types of radiation it could detect, but was there kinds of radiation(s) not detectable by our dosimetry?

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Re: Raising the Bar
« Reply #51 on: Nov 22, 2004, 09:27 »
 I can't address what types of radiation or the potential dose, but as to dosimetry: If it was gamma, the dose is probably accurate, the badges are calibrated with an average of energies that you would find in a npp (usually 137 Cs), and the filters built into the badge itself can determine shallow dose, deep dose etc. In some cases the plants or the vendor who is processing the badges may have algoritms so tight that they can even identify some isotopes. If there was neutron, there is a possiblity of inaccurate measurement.  With neutron dosimetry you have to calibrate your badges with a known source of known energy to respond to a known energy.  (Actually it's also really about creating a proper algorithm, along with what elements the crystals are made of in the chips) So if you don't have a known or corresponding energy your badges could over respond, under respond or make no indication of exposure at all.  (it's an albedo measurement)
  Power plants generally have badges that respond with a great deal of accuracy at certain levels of reacter power.  At higher percentages of power, I don't believe anyone can swear that the dose on the badges is the "real" dose. In some cases it could just be an educated guess.  There are also variations in the type of dosimetry used or the manufacturer.  Landauer luxel, Panasonic, the Harshaw. 
One other caveat: I haven't processed dosimetry in over a decade, so there may be new info out there that I am not aware of.  Have a great day!

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Re: Raising the Bar
« Reply #52 on: Nov 22, 2004, 12:53 »
Hey Mr. Alphadude,

It sounds like you have been around for a time or so...

Can you explaine to me one mo' time bout the more clicks you have the more radiation ya got?

And you can git rid of the radiation by turning the gas off to square silver thing, you can get rid of a lot of radiation.  I have seen it done many a nights.  But you know what???  It comes back again when someone else checks it, now ain't that something?

My nail tech/lead tech showed me. 

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Re: Raising the Bar
« Reply #53 on: Nov 22, 2004, 02:01 »
radman- stay away from the dark side

it is a fact that the more money that you get paid the more contaimination you find. maybe thats the relation u are talking about.  more clicks means more money means more contamination- its alimentary!

did u get your ham yet?

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Re: Raising the Bar
« Reply #54 on: Nov 22, 2004, 04:49 »
It's in the mail wrapped in my new sweater!!!

Happy Thanksgiving Bro....

This gig is over Dec. 17...they still are not putting a year to it...Rad    :)

P.S. How's the moose hunting??

Sorry..I' now moving to the light..
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