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« on: Nov 23, 2006, 01:49 »
I am the mother of an eleven month old and find it very difficult to work these outage hours and spend time with my son.  Me and a friend who also has a young child were talking one day about how awesome it would be if plants would offer child care at the plant.  Parents could spend their break times with their kids and we thought it would be cool.  So I was just wondering what everyone else thought about the idea?

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« Reply #1 on: Nov 23, 2006, 01:58 »
Great idea in theory, but the logistics and potential for litigation stemming from having minor children on site at a nuclear plant are a nightmare. Not to mention the ramifications for E-Plan.

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« Reply #2 on: Nov 23, 2006, 08:02 »
As nice as the idea sounds for parents, Hairdude is right about the legal aspects and the absoulte disaster that would ensue if there were ever a problem in the plant. For just one small example, if you were a technician and there was a plant evacuation, could you continue to perform your emergency duties if your toddler was one of the people being evacuated?

On top of that, do you think it would be good for mommy (or daddy) to appear and disappear throughout the day while the daycare provider is trying to keep a group of small children under control? Given that breaks are often scattered about, there would almost always be a parent or two or twelve disturbing the 'routine' (if there even is such a thing) in the daycare. And how about those who have no set break time, such as the BOP techs? I personally would not like to be partnered with someone (male or female) that I can't count on to be around to help because they are visiting their child.

Please don't get me wrong about that... I think that it is absoultely vital that parents spend as much time as possible with their kids, and I could not blame someone for wanting to spend time with theirs. But (there is that word again) not while they are at work and not at the expense of someone else who would (not always but often enough) have to cover for an absent parent. I have a great deal of sympathy for parents that have to work instead of staying home to raise the kids. Sometimes it is a choice and sometimes a necessity that both parents (or a single parent) have to leave their children in the care of others to go earn the daily bread. Either way I am sure it is a tough thing to do. But a nuclear plant is no place for children (insert your own joke here) for a vast array of reasons.
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« Reply #3 on: Nov 23, 2006, 10:26 »
All valid points, Roger.  But, many places of employment manage to provide child-care services without diminishing the quality or productivity of their business.  A little discipline in the workplace cures all the ills you mentioned.  There could be designated times and places for parental visits during the workday.  There could be lots of things to make it work.
I would have absolutely NO fear for my children's safety at a nuclear plant.  Naturally, I wouldn't locate their nap time inside the power block.  But there are gyms at power plants, restaurants, safety shoe stores, training centers, visitors' centers (before 9-11 expanded the security boundaries) why not a day care center.

I think it is about time we moved either one way or another on nuclear safety.  It is either safe to have children in a school just down the road from a nuke plant or it is unsafe to have them in a daycare center right inside the fence.  We can't have it both ways.  If we really believe that this is a safe form of energy, we need to let our actions agree with our words.  Any nuke plant which isn't safe enough for my kids for the workday isn't safe for the kids who live inside the EPZ around the clock.

Site evacuation is a panacea anyway.  EPZ evacuation is even more ridiculous.  Put those kids right in the same building as the guardhouse with the correct ventillation equipment.  They'll be plenty safe.

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unless their site-coordinator can keep them in line.....
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« Reply #4 on: Nov 23, 2006, 11:39 »
Ihow awesome it would be if plants would offer child care at the plant.  Parents could spend their break times with their kids and we thought it would be cool.  So I was just wondering what everyone else thought about the idea?

it sounds like a good idea, but da afourmentioned liabilities are ona front burner.  the entrepreneur in me says that as one who is intimately connected to the situation, it could be very beneficial to you to explore the idea as a business for yourself. once you get the meetings with the lawyers out of the way, you could get into franchise agreements with the plants, not only for the outage times but also for the operational year.  hafta start off small, probably only $50k for a franchise for an individual plant, operators of plant fleets could get a discount, but pretty soon you could have some serious cash flow going.  say
$100/40 hr work week and pro rated for additional/less scheduled time.  so a care center with 50 kids would gross $5k/wk, quarter mill per year.  not to mention that $50k franchise fee in da bank.  eye'll let yinz do the math for a fleet operator with 5 plants.  within 5 years ya should be able to cover alla da plants in dis country 'n be ready to move into international operations.  yinz'd be able to watch yer kids at play ona plasma monitor while sitting at yer desk in da corner office yakking ona phone about how stressful executive work is and how ya miss da daze of running around da country, jumping in and out of smelly p.c., enjoying da playful give and take of da craft werkers, n@.






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« Reply #5 on: Nov 23, 2006, 12:41 »
...There could be designated times and places for parental visits during the workday.
In order to work with the variety of HP coverage schedules the visiting hours would just about have to be 'all the time' to make it fair for all, or break out the earplugs to stifle the whining.

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I would have absolutely NO fear for my children's safety at a nuclear plant.
Neither would I except for the evacuation part. If a site evacuation occurs (granted, they are rare, but they happen) it would be a situation I would not want to put my (or anyone else's) children in... or the daycare providers.

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I think it is about time we moved either one way or another on nuclear safety.  It is either safe to have children in a school just down the road from a nuke plant or it is unsafe to have them in a daycare center right inside the fence.  We can't have it both ways.
I am not asking to have it both ways. Inside the fence and outside the fence are two dramatically different things. This is not a matter of radiological safety (at least not to me) but of physical safety. I am concerned about the actual evacuation, not the cause of the evacuation. If daycare was outside the fence and would not have to leave if there was a Site Emergency, no problem... but then visits would be problematic.
 
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Site evacuation is a panacea anyway.  EPZ evacuation is even more ridiculous.  Put those kids right in the same building as the guardhouse with the correct ventillation equipment.  They'll be plenty safe.
I agree whole heartedly. Now just get the NRC and the public to agree -- not to mention National Nuclear Insurers. Evacuation is not an option based on 'they'll be plenty safe.' Please don't let reality interfere with the regulations.  ;)

I think the answer may be daycare outside the fence... no visitation during working hours. If that sounds harsh, you could say visitation during certain hours and only when you are on break... and good luck policing that. And better luck when you are looking for the stray parent who happens to be your work partner and you have more work than you can cover by yourself. Discipline is fine but experience shows that there are always those that blow it for the people who can discipline themselves, and when that happens the offender is rarely the only one losing privileges. Call me a pessimist, but I prefer realist.
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« Reply #6 on: Nov 23, 2006, 04:23 »
Another thing to consider.  At least here techs out of ctmt are still availble to do short duration jobs.  They aren't the first to get picked but sometimes it happens.  If Dad or Mom is over playing with kiddies then they aren't available for work. That means that someone else gets to pick up their slack.  Not being heartless but we are getting paid for the hours we are on site. 

There should be some way to find a compromise to help with daycare.  Not sure what it would be.  Hard to find daycare folks willing to work all shifts 7 days a week. That is what you would really need to make it work
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« Reply #7 on: Nov 23, 2006, 07:26 »
Your employer is not your mother. Get a babysitter.

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« Reply #8 on: Nov 23, 2006, 09:45 »
There are still a few plants that exchange cotton scrubs if you contaminate them.  There are a few people I have known who went into decon every day to swap their scrubs for clean ones when they never alarmed a monitor.  Otherwise, doing your laundry isn't uncommon.  Turkey point launders all those gray coveralls that their maintenance workers wear, and a lot of plants launder the polo shirt/khaki pants uniform that their operators wear.
Nobody has suggested at any point that any of this stuff should be offered for free.  Considering that a lot of sites actually rent out their cafeteria facilities or otherwise make a big profit from food service operations, I see no reason why they shouldn't expand their range of services.  If a plant can make money from selling you sandwiches or gym memberships, why not from laundry or daycare.  One plant near me has owned all the houses within a half-mile radius of the site for years.  They rent those houses out to tenants.  They lease out the rest of their land to farmers.  What is so far-fetched about selling some services to employees?  Do you think that the shoemobile comes to a site two or three times an outage without paying a cut to the utility?  Some plants actually lease their simulators to other companies (including some foreign ones) who have similar control rooms but no simulators of their own.
Employees are not always paid for all the time they are on site.  That unpaid half-hour lunch break entitles the employees to do whatever they want (within the bounds of the law), wherever they want to do it, for 30 minutes a day.
The original poster suggested that visits be allowed during breaks.  She never said that "breaks" included all the time she was out of containment.  She never suggested that breaks for parents be any different from the breaks for anyone else.  If your techs are abusing breaks, or playing hide-n-seek, they're already doing it.  There is no reason to assume that a mommy who wants to see her child for a few minutes a day is going to be more likely to pull this crap than the other 45 slugs you have on the job.  In fact, she would be the easiest to track down in a hurry because she's the only one whose whereabouts are going to be known.

If your employer is not your mother, why do they tell you (especially operators) how to dress?  Why do they wash your uniforms and feed you free lunches all the time?  Because it is a good business decision to do these things, that's why.  Plenty of other businesses provide on-site daycare for the same reason.

The only reason I can see why it is unfeasible to do this at nuke plants is simply that there wouldn't be a great enough demand.  Considering that the client list would be strictly limited to site employees, it is unlikely that such an enterprise could be profitable.
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« Reply #9 on: Nov 23, 2006, 11:26 »
I have twp beautiful children both who have been the children of a nuke since they were born thank you.  I spent holidays away from them and when I was in the Navy I'd spend months away from them so kindly don't whine to me, You chose to be a roadie now deal with it. I'm certain others would take your place.

George I want my utility to wash my car and send my family nice hot meals.

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« Reply #10 on: Nov 23, 2006, 11:41 »
I have twp beautiful children both who have been the children of a nuke since they were born thank you.  I spent holidays away from them....

me two, but i gawz for kids.  wuz onna rode four mosta da development period.  sigh... :-\  ....  but, iffen da nuke industree mirrored da rest of da industry of des united states, then perhaps on site child care wood knot be considered an out of bounds issue.  be that as it may, it seems to me that having an entreprenuer start up this biz wood be a gold mine, for that individual and for the biz, 'n i don't see da dawnside.  pleez illuminate me, 'k?
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« Reply #11 on: Nov 23, 2006, 11:56 »
Yeah but it's not up to the Utilities. In todays deregulated environment WHY add any extra cost?

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« Reply #12 on: Nov 24, 2006, 12:19 »
I don't see the problem of having an outside vendor offer a service to the workers of a nuclear faciliity.  In light of my recent posting  of a grandson, perhaps I am missing a cog on this machine.  Would there be a viable, i.e. profitable, reason to have a near or on site child care facility to a nuclear facility?   I would put my X in the yes column, if there were one.
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« Reply #13 on: Nov 24, 2006, 06:13 »
We have daycare at Turkey Point but I do not think it is for the contractors also.

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« Reply #14 on: Nov 24, 2006, 06:55 »
In todays deregulated environment WHY add any extra cost?


Many Fortune 500 companies offer additional services to their employees. The difference is, they provide these services at HQ, not at the factories. For example, if there is a cafeteria, there is no additional cost to the company to offer take home family meals (think a pan of lasagna pre-cooked). The company doesn't have to subsidize many of these things, but only make them available.

Turkey Point was mentioned by a current employee; they DID have an elementary school on site, but now only have the child care. Yet the child care was not designed for rotating shiftworkers; when attempts were made to make it available during the outages (a co-worker was a single parent), the corporate response was that it was primarily designed for the office staff. Anyone else benefitting from the service was getting an unanticipated benefit.

As staffing gets tighter, perhaps some plants will look at these options.
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« Reply #15 on: Nov 24, 2006, 07:05 »
I'm not trying to be rude or anything but did somebody pee in your cheerios this morning?
Don't take it personally, somebody pees in Mike's cheerios every morning. Or, maybe he is just trying to steal Beer Court's title of Curmudgeon.
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« Reply #16 on: Nov 24, 2006, 10:29 »
I'm not trying to be rude or anything but did somebody pee in your cheerios this morning?  You make it sound like it would be such an inconvenience for such a thing to take place.  And NEWS FLASH, maybe working in this business is a choice you get to make, but for some of us it's not a choice any more.  So maybe next time you might think before you run your mouth about something you obviously know nothing about.


Nope that's me on a happy and cheerfull day. You always have a choice, you can get out of the industry, or get an education and do something else. Who exactly put you in slavery?

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« Reply #17 on: Nov 24, 2006, 10:30 »
Don't take it personally, somebody pees in Mike's cheerios every morning. Or, maybe he is just trying to steal Beer Court's title of Curmudgeon.


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« Reply #18 on: Nov 24, 2006, 02:50 »
Daycare at work would be wonderful. I was lucky and found daycare ~ 1mile from the plant, that could support my hours, even during 2 outages. But this was offsite - nothing to do with the company.
When you factor in that most plants only do 1 outage every 18 mos - 2 yrs, for about 3 wks, the cost and liability of setting up daycare to support the few workers that would use it just doesn't make it feasable. Licensing and inspection from state agencies takes weeks to complete. Most house folks already have things setup, since they live in the surrounding 20 towns, and bringing the kids to work isn't usually the best thing for us.
As you mentioned, it was you and another person that were discussing this - in order to make daycare pay for itself, it would take ~ 10 kids, at a rate to pay for the time to get licensed, and do the background checks on the daycare workers. That would not be cheap.....
Mike is probably right - you may want to rethink your priorities regarding work. If you add up your expenses, and the turmoil being on the road can do to a little ones routine, you may be better off changing careers, or at least going long term DOE for a while.
I am not saying this as someone that has no kids - I have 2, pre-school and kindergarten. I understand the stress of having to work outage hours, and not see my babies. And as a house mouse, I don't have the layoff periods to catch up.
Good luck with this issue, but don't expect much - you are a very small minority, and the power plants really are not in the business of accomodating the supplemental workforce - they will just find someone that can deal with the outage next time.
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« Reply #19 on: Nov 24, 2006, 07:09 »
it would be nice (I have no stake in this....my 'baby' is 32 y/o)....but there are a lot of things that would be nice......real medical coverage, paid vacations, EAPs.....all those things people in 'real' jobs get, things that show they are valued as more than a disposable commodity.
most of Europe and many American companies provide things like on-site day care, 'health centers', etc. but that's not the world we live in.
from a management perspective, I wouldn't want to get involved with the problems that would go w/ having on site day care for short term employees, employees who aren't likely to care too much about the profitability of my plant....maybe for the perms, but not for 'road trash.'
as 'road trash,' yeah, I can see a lot of techs being 'awol' because the 'had to' go deal with some kiddie issue, and a lot who would use that as an excuse.
Bottom line, I don't think it is feasible.

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« Reply #20 on: Nov 24, 2006, 07:47 »
I think it's a great idea.We should try to make the work place better for parents and it would give road techs with kids alot better life on the road.

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« Reply #21 on: Nov 24, 2006, 07:54 »
I think it's a great idea.We should try to make the work place better for parents and it would give road techs with kids alot better life on the road.


Why? People without kids wouldn't have the same benefit and if they can't get people with kids to support an outage there are PLNTY without them.

It's not the utilities job to rear someones brats so they can work.

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« Reply #22 on: Nov 25, 2006, 12:11 »
da bottom line (of da line of bottoms) is dat this will not come about unless you do it.  it would be nice fer a utility to supply a real break area for trades, crafts, 'n engineering types that come onsite fer an outage, but it is rare to get more than a trailer.  lotsa times your time spent ina break area is counted towards yer layoff time anyway.  so's iffen yer out at kiddie kare, ya seriously think yer gonna last longer than 1st layoff?  especially iffen it's outside da protected area?  puhleez.  but i go back to my phurst post on dis thread, start it yerself 'n make da cash.  you go 24/7 fer an outage i bet ya make more money than ya are now.  but getting a utility to put it in place for you.... ain't gonna happen.
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« Reply #23 on: Nov 25, 2006, 08:02 »
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We currently have threads showing lodging at each location. IF someone posted a child care link at each site, it would justify the effort for a moderator to dedicate a separate thread for each. For a starting point, just post the information on that site's lodging thread. Include whether they accomodate contractors (how many weeks minimum).
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« Reply #24 on: Nov 25, 2006, 01:13 »
Oh I've succeed plenty in this industry and anyone who has worked with me knows I'm probably one of the best people in it. I know this for a fact.

I'm not trying to be mean but child care is your responsibility, no one elses,

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« Reply #25 on: Nov 25, 2006, 01:20 »

I'm not trying to be mean but child care is your responsibility, no one elses,


Excellent point.

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« Reply #26 on: Nov 25, 2006, 04:49 »
Whoooaaaahhh!!!
Let's all breathe for a minute.  Before anybody else manages to be offended, let's just step back and think.

The idea is to toss ideas into the open so that we can discuss them on their merits, maybe crack a few jokes or tell a story along the way.  There is no need to get this deep into personalities.  Or, if we're going to then we should understand each other.

inyourface doesn't seem to know Broadzilla from his earlier posts.  She might seem a little thin-skinned and easily put off by Mike's no-nonsense approach to nuclear power.  She will get used to it - hopefully really soon - and hold her tongue.
If I would say anything to her it would be don't take it personally.  He's not a bad guy just because he sees things a certain way and can be stubborn about it.

Roger, maybe you read that last statement a little differently than I did.  What you see as arrogance (not a big stretch considering who wrote it) I saw as Mike saying that people who know him will vouch for his being a nice guy at heart.  You can't always get the whole meaning from the written word.

Back to the topic, please.

Some people who need their jobs would find life easier if there were daycare available where they work.
Some people think it would be too big an undertaking for a nuke plant to offer such a service for so few people.

Chalk me up as one who thinks that there is some merit to the suggestion, but it is not likely to happen.

The whole topic does bring out one truth about the nuke community - Nuclear or not, this is still a job and jobs are done by people.  We're not robots, and we don't look like ooompa-loompas when we're not in pc's.  All of us have unique situations, desires, lifestyles, backgrounds, expectations,...etc.  The idea that only those who fit a certain mold can do this job was fine when we were in the Navy.  Now that we're in the real world, we can't find enough people who are exactly like us (nor should we ever want to) to fill all the jobs.  The time may come soon when daycare, bilingual procedures, wheelchair ramps on the refuel floor, and God-only-knows what else will be commonplace.  I know how that burns the butt of a lot of people here, but it could very well be reality.  If we ever do build more plants, we're going to have to mine a little deeper for people to staff them.  New and different doesn't always mean the same thing as bad.
It's best that we discuss these and many other topics as civilly as possible that we might understand each other and be better prepared to work together.
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Re: daycare at the plants?
« Reply #27 on: Nov 25, 2006, 05:27 »
I removed my last post because it was off topic. I still believe what I said but this is not the place for it.
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Re: daycare at the plants?
« Reply #28 on: Nov 25, 2006, 05:28 »
Ask Why and/or offer solutions if it is that big a deal and important to ya'.  Then make a proposal to an Employer. 

As staffing becomes more of a problem the Employers will have to make concessions.  Or, maybe they will not.

Perhaps nobody noticed the suggestion that posting on this site can impact the availability. If you don't believe it, look at the number of hotels / motels / rental homes / campgrounds that have chosen to advertise directly on this site. That is in addition to the ones simply named near a site.

We currently have threads showing lodging at each location. IF someone posted a child care link at each site, it would justify the effort for a moderator to dedicate a separate thread for each. For a starting point, just post the information on that site's lodging thread. Include whether they accomodate contractors (how many weeks minimum).

There are 3 important spheres to consider:
1) The things I can control
2) The things I can impact
3) The things I am concerned about

This is an incremental movement of this issue from category 3 into category 2, for those who chose to do something.


And yes, when employers find that the lack of options keeps workers out, they will address it. Just look at plants with electrical outlets for engine block heaters up North or offering to let you park your RV out West. Those things made it easier to bring in quality people.
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« Reply #29 on: Nov 25, 2006, 07:29 »
By the way we don't have any kids either, but I thought it was a nice thing to do/idea for the road techs.
Whats the difference if there is a day care on plant property and you take them or in the town you are staying.I don't want to hear all that nuclear legal jargon either.
I don't want to rear somebodies" little bastards' either

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« Reply #30 on: Nov 26, 2006, 06:32 »
Sorry, RadBastard, but all that 'nuclear legal jargon' is valid (and the reason a lot of us have our jobs, BTW) and needs to be given weight in any discussion of this sort. The utilities cannot and will not take risks that have no reward of adequate value. Would it be nice? Of course it would, and I am certainly not against utilities being nice. I am not against having day care, I am just trying to point out that it is not easily worked out and the problems (not just the legal/risk ones) are greater than the benefits... for the utility, certainly, and potentially for the parents, the children and the parents' co-workers. Offsite -- bring it on, I think it is very workable with the proper safeguards (small 's'). Onsite -- way too many issues to work well. Just one man's opinion.
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Re: daycare at the plants?
« Reply #31 on: Nov 26, 2006, 09:38 »
I think we all agree that daycare woud be nice, wherever you work. 

And I also think that we all agree that it may not be financially/legally feasible for the utility, however 'nice' it may be. 

So, people can argue its merits on an internet forum, or someone can get off their butt and get it started.  The way I see it, it is never going to happen unless someone takes that intitial risk.  Someone needs to take that risk, make a proposal, set aside the capital, set up such a business, and show the rest of the industry it is solvent.  Who's going to do that?  Inyourface?  The utility sure isn't going to.  They already have you.  There is nothing in it for them.  Whoever does, good luck.  I wish you the best for success.
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Re: daycare at the plants?
« Reply #32 on: Nov 26, 2006, 10:23 »
I have twp beautiful children both who have been the children of a nuke since they were born thank you.  I spent holidays away from them and when I was in the Navy I'd spend months away from them so kindly don't whine to me, You chose to be a roadie now deal with it. I'm certain others would take your place.

George I want my utility to wash my car and send my family nice hot meals.

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Sorry dude you are way off base on this one. I can tell you from experience that your children and your child suffered a great deal while you were away from home; and I find it hard to believe that you would not change the past and spend more time around them if you could.

As far as having a day care facility on site: if it was located outside the the gates then I don't see a problem at all. I have over 30 years of living around nuclear facilities and at this time live less than a mile from the SRS gates.

Think about it, if your child is across town or up the street and disaster strikes it makes no difference in your mind. If you are trained properly you suffer that little twinge of "oh God" and then you go on.

As far as the breaks are concerned, I can remember back in the day when many house techs took breaks at the local watering holes... I'd much rather know that a mother or father could at some point look in on their kids.

If nothing else why couldn't a facility run by the utility be located off site?

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« Reply #33 on: Nov 26, 2006, 11:25 »
Uh my children didn't suffer in the least, While I've spent long hours at work I've sacrificed sleep to be with them, they have a standard of living that I certainly didn't, I had large amounts of days off that are devoted to my kids. I've spent far more timed with my kids than my father did with us, and he worked a straight day job.

As the litmus test ask my kids, I have and both agree they've had a great life with me and I'm more involved in their lives than "conventional" parents.

I've never missed a ball game or school function, and I've spent literally hours playing with them, teaching them to read, do Math, play tennis, football. I've swatched Pro Wrestling with them and last year drove nine hours one way to take him to watch the University Of Michigan Home Opener.

I don't believe utilities should get into the rug rat watching business unless they recoup 100% of the costs and the parents pick up the price of any liability. In that case go for it. I certainly wouldn't do it because someone who works at my plant 25 days every 18 months feels it would benefit them.

NO ONE is responsible for your kids but yourself. If your job interferes with that responsibility then quit the job and do something where you can adequately take care of them. EVERY utility is cutting costs, Day Cares are million dollar endeavors, with having to pay out maximum value on a share of stock the shareholders won't stand for it and I certainly don't want it. ANY dollar that is diverted from permanent worker salaries and improving/repairing a plant is a wasted dollar and if its spent performing a service that is the parents responsibilty it's not only wasteful, it's a sin.

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Re: daycare at the plants?
« Reply #34 on: Nov 26, 2006, 12:17 »
Did they have daycare on the navy ships?  I dont know how one can be on the ship and be there for the kids and not miss important things like holidays and bdays.  Come on Broad we all know your great we can ask RD to back that up, but there are some things we cannot control (like if both kids have an event at the same time but different places), we all have to make sacrifices for what we think are better conditions for our kids and love ones (including ourselves).   Now I can almost bet the house there wont be a daycare on site because of all the problems it would bring to the site, but IM sure there are techs and maybe cordinators at the plant site that would give you some good daycare places for your kids.  Also I think praising oneself is also a sin.(as is judging)
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« Reply #35 on: Nov 26, 2006, 12:28 »
I don't ever brag on myself. Anyone who has worked with me will tell you I think I'm just as dumb as the next guy. Two people here refuted that I was either a good parent or my children had suffered because of my job. neither of which is true.

NOW if the contractors want to provide day care then it's their choice, I think the utilities providing it is bad business and I'm against it.

Uh we're not talking the Navy, we're talking providing day care for a person who works 25 days every 18 months at any given utility. The industry doesn't OWE any employee anything and NO ONE is bound to the industry.

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Re: daycare at the plants?
« Reply #36 on: Nov 26, 2006, 12:43 »
Oh I've succeed plenty in this industry and anyone who has worked with me knows I'm probably one of the best people in it. I know this for a fact.

I'm not trying to be mean but child care is your responsibility, no one elses,

Mike
Oh I must of misinterpreted that as boasting.
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Re: daycare at the plants?
« Reply #37 on: Nov 26, 2006, 02:27 »
Uh my children didn't suffer in the least, While I've spent long hours at work I've sacrificed sleep to be with them, they have a standard of living that I certainly didn't, I had large amounts of days off that are devoted to my kids. I've spent far more timed with my kids than my father did with us, and he worked a straight day job.

As the litmus test ask my kids, I have and both agree they've had a great life with me and I'm more involved in their lives than "conventional" parents.

I've never missed a ball game or school function, and I've spent literally hours playing with them, teaching them to read, do Math, play tennis, football. I've swatched Pro Wrestling with them and last year drove nine hours one way to take him to watch the University Of Michigan Home Opener.

I don't believe utilities should get into the rug rat watching business unless they recoup 100% of the costs and the parents pick up the price of any liability. In that case go for it. I certainly wouldn't do it because someone who works at my plant 25 days every 18 months feels it would benefit them.

NO ONE is responsible for your kids but yourself. If your job interferes with that responsibility then quit the job and do something where you can adequately take care of them. EVERY utility is cutting costs, Day Cares are million dollar endeavors, with having to pay out maximum value on a share of stock the shareholders won't stand for it and I certainly don't want it. ANY dollar that is diverted from permanent worker salaries and improving/repairing a plant is a wasted dollar and if its spent performing a service that is the parents responsibilty it's not only wasteful, it's a sin.

Mike

You make be a great tech, I have no idea; but I am sure you can't be in two places at once. You admitted to spending months away from your children and missing holidays. I am sure that your family "suffered" because they were lonely and missed you. That was my point before.

Would it hurt any utility to do a little something for their support staff? Most of us already do without insurance, vacation pay, raises, job security, retirement and all the other perks that you and other house techs take for granted. Most of us have been here quite some time and have seen a huge decline in our work days and have given a great deal of blood, sweat and tears towards our chosen profession, its time they gave back to us.

Now as far as daycare, I vote yes; at least come up with a reasonable solution such as a list of reliable sources for us to chose from.
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Re: daycare at the plants?
« Reply #38 on: Nov 26, 2006, 02:58 »
I'm going to take flak for this but it is not the responsibility of the utility to provide services to their contractors. You can't even use the bathrooms in some of them much less be provided child care. They expect the contractor to manage their own personnel. I have worked plants in the past where a contractor supplied trailer was your office/break room with a Porta-John outside.

This discussion is drifting and becoming personal. Mike's position from a utility perspective is a correct one, from the other side it is a real issue that needs attention.
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« Reply #39 on: Nov 26, 2006, 03:01 »
Oh I've succeed plenty in this industry and anyone who has worked with me knows I'm probably one of the best people in it. I know this for a fact.

I'm not trying to be mean but child care is your responsibility, no one elses,

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Oh I've succeed plenty in this industry and anyone who has worked with me knows I'm probably one of the best people in it. I know this for a fact.

I'm not trying to be mean but child care is your responsibility, no one elses,

Mike
COME ON BROAD !-Im one of the best people in this business and I know that for a fact?
I've succeeded plenty
If that isn't boasting and patting yourself on the back,I don't know what is? Is it hard to get both hands behind your back at the same time to do all that patting?
Actually I thought boloxi blues was the best.
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« Reply #40 on: Nov 26, 2006, 05:39 »
Oh I've succeed plenty in this industry and anyone who has worked with me knows I'm probably one of the best people in it. I know this for a fact.

I'm not trying to be mean but child care is your responsibility, no one elses,

Mike


wow..nothing like blowing your own horn....but i would expect NOTHING less!

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Re: daycare at the plants?
« Reply #41 on: Nov 26, 2006, 05:49 »
I was tempted yesterday to post on this.  But, I feel that must today.

InYourFace...*(seems to sum things up)*...This is not a place to name call.  As mentioned a place to OPENLY discuss IDEAS.

I must take Exception with the way in which you have responded to B'Zilla.

First,  He has served this country to protect the very Liberity you take and use against him.  FREEDOM of speech.  Take a moment and Please reflect on that for a moment.  He is not making Personal attacks....just stating his position.

Second, B'Zilla is a little harsh ..... get used to it.  I don't have a problem with this delievery.  But, I am not thin skinned either.

Third,  Please stay on point.  We know B'Zilla's point.  He is Management at a Fine Plant in the Southern States of America.  He could be a valuable source of info if you asked.

Fourth,  Because B'Zilla is M'g'ment at a plant.  What he says is a pretty good indicator of the industry and there position.  Not the last or only point mind you, but a point you will need to work with down the road of radcon travel'ing life maybe.

I don't mind you wanting Child Care.  I think there are very good points on this issue presented by the likes of B'Court..RDTroj....and many others....Including B'Zilla.

So, speak your mind....we encourage it.  I served too and just like all the other Liberties that most take for granted we all don't think the same.  But, most of the time have common goals.

<Your Uncle Jason speaking for a moment>  We were given the basics from our Founding Fathers  (Read Roll Tides sig.)  and if you are not violating My Life, Liberity and the Pursuit of Happiness then you can say anything you want.  I will not take Personal Offence.  And, that is a two way street.  Take notice that B'Zilla did not affect your Life/Liberity/Pursuit of Happiness...therefore the only person offended by his words turned out to be You.  And, the founding fathers did not give you a Constitutional Right to Not be Offended.

Personally I think that 'illegalsmile' said it best.

Peace.

Jason

Well said Jason.  There is some great discussion going on here and a lot of passion from all.  I would ask for a little more respect for each other, even if we don't agree with the point of view being expressed. 

Thanks in advance,
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« Reply #42 on: Nov 26, 2006, 05:54 »
kinda backwards to have this "all for the company mentality" when im sure housing was subsidsed(or free if on a boat!) while in the NAV...+ 3 squares a day & health benies too..Seems like alot to me but..anyway i think the whole daycare thing is a nice pipe dream but would never happen.
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« Reply #43 on: Nov 26, 2006, 06:39 »
Remember RR,  Broad dosent brag about himself you must have interpreted that just like I did.

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« Reply #44 on: Nov 26, 2006, 06:44 »
kinda backwards to have this "all for the company mentality" when im sure housing was subsidsed(or free if on a boat!) while in the NAV...+ 3 squares a day & health benies too..Seems like alot to me but..anyway i think the whole daycare thing is a nice pipe dream but would never happen.

LOL... Bad argument, RR.  We were only paid about .25 cents an hour.

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« Reply #45 on: Nov 26, 2006, 07:10 »


I think the true bottom line is that a comapny will do what is in the best interest of the shareholders.

I.E: Money.

Will having daycare available improve retention, improve outage manning, decrease outage time, blah blah blah, will it cost more money than is worth?

I only know of one power plant, the one I work at, and from casual observation there aren't too many women walking around and I speculate that there aren't that many single dads, either (purely speculative of course).

There also weren't that many women at the last outage I witnessed and the many of the ones that were there were married and appeared to be beyond the mommy years.

Would I support childcare? You betcha. But I think it should be paid for by the employees.

Now about the site emergency thing: Why not just set up shop off site if child care was to be a permenate availability.

I think childcare merely for outage times is beyond the scope of outage support needs. I mean outage is supposed to be a " I came, I saw, I swiped, I left" mentality where you show up, do it, and move on. I don't think the road life is a good way to raise a kid. Now, if Bartlett et al wanted to create a mobile child care unit to work the outages...

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« Reply #46 on: Nov 26, 2006, 09:42 »
Hey Broad,Not to brag im 6'4" blond hair ,blue eyes,ex ALL AMERICAN QB at USC,I have 2 kids at HARVARD- 1 in med school and 1 in law school.I was once an rpm at fermi,and I also past the NEU TEST and GET.Just to let you know it ain't bragging if you done it.
Don't misinterpret this as bragging,just ask anybody in this bizz who knows me it's the truth.

Just to keep it on topic,I think daycare is a nice idea for the radworkers and I know those cheap bastards of companies will never go for it.

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« Reply #47 on: Nov 26, 2006, 10:27 »
Last time I saw a topic get this hot was when we discussed drugs and second chances!!  Ok here is my 2 cents (all the change a poor active duty guy can spare)
1.   Employers are in the bussiness of doing bussiness, if provideing a benefit for the employee will benefit bussiness then they will likely do it.  (I offer health care for exhibt  1 They offer it cause the long term benefit is to the company not the worker! NO REALLY I MEAN IT!!!)
2.  If they can replace you with someone else you can do the job as well for less money then they will try (and should, within reason, but remember that there is a COST in personnel turnover if you treat people unfairly, to say nothing of the cost of constant turnover)
3.  A company only has a moral obligation to live up to its end of what ever bargin they sign(agree to) with an employee if you are of value to them then they will find ways to provide incentive to keep you up until you cost more than you are worth (see #2)
4.  Day care is a benefit like health care and dental.  Some companies offer it because it makes sense for thier work force structure (IMHO it does not in this industry from what I have seen).  Are we missing some great pool of talent by not offfering it?? (not likely, maybe a few good people here and there but as we all know there are lots of people out there willing to step up for jobs).
5.  As for the few comment on what the military offered, well if you look to #1 and 2 you will see the the military only gave what it had to to 1)keep effective fighting force (Army marches on stomach, Navy sails on its BAC ect..) 2) Try and keep volunteer force stable and attract "high" quality individuals.  Anything less and good people leave and good peopel on outside do not sign up!! Funny but military is in many ways just a big business!

Oh yea as for day care centers at Nuke plants;  Most of the Nukes I know have kids who are to darn smart to leave them under anything less than armed security around fissionable material!! I shudder to think what my son or daughter could build if give to much exposure to a room full of other "Nuke Kids"!!  Let alone it they get around some of the extremely capable high enders (see post where bragging might be included) :P

Rob

PS RadBas  you sound interesting but I happen to know that Broad might be more interested if you were a Red Head 8) (I assumeing you were making a pass at him no?, I mean I could be wrong, these social issues always trip me up and ever since the dont ask dont tell thing I get confused about this gender stuff and weather a guy is making a pass at another guy ;)) (Oh and me I am just avg guy of no intrest to anyone but my wife some please no personal information that might appear like a pass cause I will likely not "get" it.

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« Reply #48 on: Nov 26, 2006, 11:05 »
Last time I saw a topic get this hot was when we discussed drugs and second chances!!  Ok here is my 2 cents (all the change a poor active duty guy can spare)
1.   Employers are in the bussiness of doing bussiness, if provideing a benefit for the employee will benefit bussiness then they will likely do it.  (I offer health care for exhibt  1 They offer it cause the long term benefit is to the company not the worker! NO REALLY I MEAN IT!!!)
2.  If they can replace you with someone else you can do the job as well for less money then they will try (and should, within reason, but remember that there is a COST in personnel turnover if you treat people unfairly, to say nothing of the cost of constant turnover)
3.  A company only has a moral obligation to live up to its end of what ever bargin they sign(agree to) with an employee if you are of value to them then they will find ways to provide incentive to keep you up until you cost more than you are worth (see #2)
4.  Day care is a benefit like health care and dental.  Some companies offer it because it makes sense for thier work force structure (IMHO it does not in this industry from what I have seen).  Are we missing some great pool of talent by not offfering it?? (not likely, maybe a few good people here and there but as we all know there are lots of people out there willing to step up for jobs).
5.  As for the few comment on what the military offered, well if you look to #1 and 2 you will see the the military only gave what it had to to 1)keep effective fighting force (Army marches on stomach, Navy sails on its BAC ect..) 2) Try and keep volunteer force stable and attract "high" quality individuals.  Anything less and good people leave and good peopel on outside do not sign up!! Funny but military is in many ways just a big business!

Oh yea as for day care centers at Nuke plants;  Most of the Nukes I know have kids who are to darn smart to leave them under anything less than armed security around fissionable material!! I shudder to think what my son or daughter could build if give to much exposure to a room full of other "Nuke Kids"!!  Let alone it they get around some of the extremely capable high enders (see post where bragging might be included) :P

Rob

PS RadBas  you sound interesting but I happen to know that Broad might be more interested if you were a Red Head 8) (I assumeing you were making a pass at him no?, I mean I could be wrong, these social issues always trip me up and ever since the dont ask dont tell thing I get confused about this gender stuff and weather a guy is making a pass at another guy ;)) (Oh and me I am just avg guy of no intrest to anyone but my wife some please no personal information that might appear like a pass cause I will likely not "get" it.

PSS Now come on you can luagh cause that was funny "get er done"
Depends hows he look in some backless  biker chaps? I mean can you bounce a quarter off those cheeks booyah!
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« Reply #49 on: Nov 26, 2006, 11:08 »
LOL... Bad argument, RR.  We were only paid about .25 cents an hour.

WOW...$.25/hr????
YOu guys were defin. OVERPAID then!

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« Reply #50 on: Nov 26, 2006, 11:55 »

Why? People without kids wouldn't have the same benefit and if they can't get people with kids to support an outage there are PLNTY without them.

It's not the utilities job to rear someones brats so they can work.

Mike

Ok so maybe i am a little thin skinned.  And maybe I don't understand where people are coming from or how much "experience" and "knowledge" they have, but nobody and I do mean nobody refers to my child as a "brat".  That's just uncalled for.  I don't care if you were in the navy or even if your god walking this world, to call someones child a "brat", is just juvenile and childish.

I'm sorry i started this subject.  I will no longer post anything on nukeworker again.  Escpecially if it means I have to deal with ignorant narrow minded people.

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« Reply #51 on: Nov 27, 2006, 12:38 »
Ok so maybe i am a little thin skinned.  And maybe I don't understand where people are coming from or how much "experience" and "knowledge" they have, but nobody and I do mean nobody refers to my child as a "brat".  That's just uncalled for.  I don't care if you were in the navy or even if your god walking this world, to call someones child a "brat", is just juvenile and childish.

I'm sorry i started this subject.  I will no longer post anything on nukeworker again.  Escpecially if it means I have to deal with ignorant narrow minded people.
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« Reply #52 on: Nov 27, 2006, 06:37 »

WOW...$.25/hr????
YOu guys were defin. OVERPAID then!

Not then...maybe now.

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« Reply #53 on: Nov 27, 2006, 07:19 »
Ok so maybe i am a little thin skinned.  And maybe I don't understand where people are coming from or how much "experience" and "knowledge" they have, but nobody and I do mean nobody refers to my child as a "brat".  That's just uncalled for.  I don't care if you were in the navy or even if your god walking this world, to call someones child a "brat", is just juvenile and childish.

I can understand how you feel about your children and I wholeheartedly agree. Some people get a great deal of joy out of being rude. Sometimes the only way they can make themselves feel good is to make other people feel bad. For all the talk about being thin skinned or someone just being blunt, I feel there is no need to be rude and that is exactly what it boils down to. I deleted a post of mine earlier that expressed those thoughts a little more directly because it was off topic, but it now seems a bit more on than off.

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I'm sorry i started this subject.  I will no longer post anything on nukeworker again.  Escpecially if it means I have to deal with ignorant narrow minded people.

Please do not abandon this site just because a few people choose to be ignorant. We are supposed to be able to debate just this kind of subject here, although it should be a bit more civil outside of the poly-sci section. Unfortunately there will always be the ignorant and narrow minded that have to be dealt with. I am often tempted to take a stronger hand in 'moderating' those people but I have always been a bit more lenient than some of the other moderators. Take their postings for what YOU think they are worth and ignore the idiots that enjoy flaming others to make themselves feel worthwhile. Arrogance is seldom deserved, and never appropriate.
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« Reply #54 on: Nov 27, 2006, 10:21 »
LOL... Bad argument, RR.  We were only paid about .25 cents an hour.

We'll assume you meant "25 cents per hour" and not "1/4 cent per hour."  ;)  We'll further assume, conservatively, that you were paid for all twenty-four hours in a day, since you were on-call (especially when underway). That said, you expect us to believe the Navy only paid you $6 a day? Gonna have to throw the BS flag on that one...  :)

Daycare at the plants - isn't that what the utilities are doing for us, keeping us off the street?  ;)
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« Reply #55 on: Nov 27, 2006, 10:25 »
inyourface.... pleez don't be sorry to start a post because of dealing with narrowminded ignorant people.   dis industry portrays some of the best narrow mindedness there is, maybe because the u.s. of a. turned their collective back on us decades ago, maybe not and that's probably an udder good thread to be started at a future date.  'n we're knot ignorant.... whut other industry gots to take teknickel proficiency tests every job?  no reply needed, pleez, datz anudder good thread which is in existence alreedee.
personally, i roaded for over two decades.  did my family suffer? i dunno.  eye yam divorced.  was it because i was away or just a jagoff?  i dunno, there's lotsa divorced peeple woo kant spell newclear.  did my kids suffer?  i dunno. i wasn't there every day for them.  lotsa people who live 'n work in da neighborhood aren't with their kids every day due to overtime, family problems, working two jobs, ettsetterra.  but, wood my kids have been better off with me at the home site alla time and not having the finances to supply a home with individual bedroom for each of then, new clothes for them, good food on the table at all times (including veggies... there wuz a time my kids wood tell you that that made them suffer), letting them play in their sports, go to their summer camps, get orthonics, ettsetterra.  i dunno that either.  i made my choice, and supplyed a lifestyle as best as i could.  i also decided, that as part of this lifestyle, i wouldn't travel my kids all over the country and that i would do short term high pay jobs in order to finance the family and my time at home as best as i could.  when i got into this biz, i cood work 6 months in a year, make the pretax equivalent of 12 months of work, and collect unemplyment insurance for 6 months (tax free at that time,   8)  ).  
now, iffen you wanna take yours with you, that's your decision.  i support that decision for you, i didn't make that same one.  duzant make me a bad person.  you aren't either.  this industry ain't a bad industry.  they don't make decisions for your benefit, they make decisions for themselves.  if you can abide by those and want to work with them, you are welcome.  if you don't, you're welcome to that decision also.  no one is bad  because two decisions were made, are they?  coors not.
most sites, a worker cannot go off site without clocking out.  childcare should not be an exception.  few sites have on site employee beneficial services.  child care should not be an exception.  if you want child care for you kids while they are with you, either find one in the village where the plant is located, or start your own.  but to think the utility should do that for you is a pipe dream.  this industry has more legal, financial, 'n societal headaches than any other in these united states.  there is no way they are going to add to their problem.  if you want to solve the problem, they will most likely be fully supportive of your action.

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Re: daycare at the plants?
« Reply #56 on: Nov 27, 2006, 10:35 »
inyourface,

I hope to see more posts by you, as we need your input. I faced the same problem you are going through years ago and finally gave up working in the industry; I suggest you check out your coworkers and see if they have a wife or mother traveling with them to watch your children. This is what we finally did.

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« Reply #57 on: Nov 27, 2006, 10:38 »
On site daycare would be a nice thing except for one thing:  For some, it would become another place to go hide.  Like any other privilege, (smoking areas, break trailers, internet access, etc.) all it would take are the actions of a few dumba$$es to ruin it for everyone else.

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« Reply #58 on: Nov 27, 2006, 10:45 »
As a roadtech parent, I do know where inyourface was coming from with the original post. I know that I had the thought myself quite a few times over the years when I was looking for daycare before an outage, but only because that would have made it easier for me and let's face it---definately not the utilities job to make my life easier for an outage.
I never had an instance where I could not find great, reliable daycare usually within 15 minutes of a plant. I could not even say for certain that if a plant did provide daycare that I would actually use it. Like most parents I am very picky when it comes to child care and always had at least 2-3 places to check out before I made a decision on which daycare my daughter would be staying at and in a couple of instances ended up going with a place that came through recommendations of locals.  Just because a plant would offer daycare does not mean that I would use it--and not for (nuclear) safety reasons, but I may not like the set-up, the people running the daycare, how many children at the daycare etc.
So while I appreciate the thought behind the original post, I would have to agree (with the many reasons already listed) that the utilities should not and probably will not ever offer daycare services for outages.
I do agree that if daycare was going to be available at outages than it should be contractor sposored as Broad and JMK suggested. Again---slim to none chance.

Now with all of that said, this may be a little off topic but, there are ways to make finding a daycare a little easier for outages:
- start researching on the computer well in advance, make a list of possible daycares and start making phone calls. The list is usually narrowed down quickly based on hours availabe, days available or personal reaction to the person you contacted.
-Don't be afraid to ask the daycare if they are willing to provide expanded hours or weekends....especially if they are located fairly close to a nuclear plant. They are used to outages and may not advertise that they are willing to expand their hours, but they are a business and most I have found are willing to work the extra hours for the extra money.
-Plan on arriving to the area at least 4-5 days in advance (or take a quick daytrip if close enough) so you can thourougly check the day care out and have your child visit it a few times before your first scheduled day of work...makes it easier on everyone and gives you a chance to find out what else is available.
-Ask for recommendations form everyone you talk to---a daycare you contact may not be available for the hours you want but usually knows who in the area is and in some cases have emloyees who are willing to put in weekends or extra hours. Talk to your site coordinator, they may have a lead on a daycare or on another worker looking for the same. Talk to a house tech---sometimes there is a workers wife (or daughter) who is willing to babysit one or two children during an outage since her husband is working long hours anyways. If not, they can usually recommend a local babysitter or daycare.
-Check this site....I know that you may not be a big fan of this site at the moment but it really is a great tool filled with information. You will get used to the people and the way that they post.....some may seem rude or narrow minded at times, but really are very knowledgeable and a great source of information...they just come across a little harsh at times.

Best of luck on the road.

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« Reply #59 on: Nov 27, 2006, 10:50 »
We'll assume you meant "25 cents per hour" and not "1/4 cent per hour."  ;)  We'll further assume, conservatively, that you were paid for all twenty-four hours in a day, since you were on-call (especially when underway). That said, you expect us to believe the Navy only paid you $6 a day? Gonna have to throw the BS flag on that one...  :)

Just as BS as RR's comment.

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« Reply #60 on: Nov 27, 2006, 11:29 »
One thing that was briefly mentioned which I think will be a problem.
People will abuse it to get away from doing their work.
They will say Little Johnny has a runny nose and I must check on him every hour, so will you cover for me?
There will be some who will want to have lunch together, will you cover for me?
Get the picture? You know it will happen and happen and...

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« Reply #61 on: Nov 27, 2006, 11:49 »
One thing that was briefly mentioned which I think will be a problem.
People will abuse it to get away from doing their work.
They will say Little Johnny has a runny nose and I must check on him every hour, so will you cover for me?
There will be some who will want to have lunch together, will you cover for me?
Get the picture? You know it will happen and happen and...

abusers of having people cover for them or clocking out for personal reasons are dealt wit according to procedures.  those procedures wood be followed for this abuse in the same venue. 
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« Reply #62 on: Nov 27, 2006, 03:42 »
oh by the way, why do people get to pay lower income taxes just because they have kids?????

Same reason as people that have mortgages, donate to charities, etc. It has been passed by your representatives in congress. Generally considered to "promote the general welfare" of the country / business / community.
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« Reply #63 on: Nov 27, 2006, 04:26 »
Depends hows he look in some backless  biker chaps? I mean can you bounce a quarter off those cheeks booyah!
Whats with the  same crap we have heard 5 times over numbering things and it doesn't make sense
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« Reply #64 on: Nov 27, 2006, 05:42 »
you expect us to believe the Navy only paid you $6 a day? Gonna have to throw the BS flag on that one...  :)

when I went in, they paid us $154/month. Do the math. (off topic, I know, but I can't help it)

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« Reply #65 on: Nov 27, 2006, 06:32 »
when I went in, they paid us $154/month. Do the math. (off topic, I know, but I can't help it)

1969 E-3?
http://www.dod.mil/dfas/militarypay/2006militarypaytables/militarypaypriorrates/1969.pdf

I can't believe that I make more in a day than I did in month in 1970....

No day care on that salary.

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« Reply #66 on: Nov 27, 2006, 09:29 »
I'm sorry i started this subject.  I will no longer post anything on nukeworker again.  Especially if it means I have to deal with ignorant narrow minded people.

inyourface

Please do NOT quit posting just because a few of the other posters failed to have the same ideas of courtesy that you do.  Some mean well, but come from a harsher background.  Others are 'trolls' and are just trying to get a rise out of you. 

Like you, I have quit responding on certain threads when I don't like other posters' attitudes, but that doesn't mean I (or you) need to let them control us.  Just take a break and avoid the people who annoy you the most and post when & what you want.

I hope to see you posting again soon.
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« Reply #67 on: Nov 27, 2006, 09:49 »
when I went in, they paid us $154/month. Do the math. (off topic, I know, but I can't help it)

We'll further assume that my reply to M1Ark was addressed to M1Ark, as that is who I quoted, and not to anyone self-described as "old and mostly bald" who, based upon having a 32 year old child, presumably joined the Navy over three decades ago...   ;)

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« Reply #68 on: Nov 27, 2006, 09:52 »
inhale, hold, exhale..... inhale, hold, exhale....  now, don't we feel better?  ain't lamaze like child care, when all is sayed 'n dun?
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« Reply #69 on: Nov 27, 2006, 11:06 »
I'm sorry i started this subject.  I will no longer post anything on nukeworker again.  Escpecially if it means I have to deal with ignorant narrow minded people.

inyourface, please do not feel that your posting was a bad idea...quite the contrary it stirred up the troops more than they have been in quite a while ;)
I realize that some of the members come across as somewhat harsh, but we all deal with folks everyday in this business that are like that, don't we? I know if you work inside the power house, you get your share of radical folks :-\ Some folks have a tendency to just not know how to "candy coat" what their saying and it becomes doubly hard when your doing it online...no way to read voice inflection, or facial expressions...the little smiley's only go so far <sigh>.

I hope you hang around because you brought up an interesting idea that sparked lively discussion. Don't let it get personal, and I'm sorry if I let things get a little bit out of hand with some of the rhetoric, for that I apologize.

For the record, I like the idea of daycare...however no utility is going to pay for it, nor should they, for any temporary employee's; but I agree with SloGlo, I think it's a great business opportunity for someone.

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« Reply #70 on: Nov 28, 2006, 09:36 »
onsite day care is inappropriate unless it is outside of the initial site evacuation area.

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« Reply #71 on: Nov 28, 2006, 01:04 »
We'll further assume that my reply to M1Ark was addressed to M1Ark, as that is who I quoted, and not to anyone self-described as "old and mostly bald" who, based upon having a 32 year old child, presumably joined the Navy over three decades ago...   ;)

Day care? It could happen.
sorry, since the reply was posted on the open forum, and not as an PM, it appeared to me that it addressed to all. BTW, my recollection was wrong about how much we were paid when I went in, 1971 E-1 $134/mo and change.

Inyourface; don't stop posting and don't stop using the site. It's been very useful to me, and a lot of fun, too. Your post opened an excellent thread as evidenced by the number and rapidity of the responses.
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« Reply #72 on: Nov 28, 2006, 01:37 »
inyourface I for one appreciate this thread. Daycare and family is something that will always be an issue. One of the reasons I did not make the Navy a career is that I heard "Your wife did not come in your seabag" one to many times. The only practical solution I saw on the road was a coworkers spouse or child, that would seem unlikely now that the outages are so short. I suspect fewer workers take thier family with them. Talk with your company prior to a job they may not provide you the child care but may be able to help you find it. Don't forget the house techs they may be able to help as well. Don't give up, maybe this a job for Nukeworker by posting what you find for the next person.

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« Reply #73 on: Nov 28, 2006, 06:04 »
sorry, since the reply was posted on the open forum, and not as an PM, it appeared to me that it addressed to all. BTW, my recollection was wrong about how much we were paid when I went in, 1971 E-1 $134/mo and change.

That's okay. As you'll notice, most of the posts on this thread are addressed specifically to one individual - Inyourface - but they are presented on the open forum for all to enjoy. Mine are no different. I'll strive to do better in the future to not cause any confusion....and I'd like to revise my previous statement by saying, "...over three and a half decades ago."  ;)

Looks like most people agree that daycare is not a completely horrible idea and that our employers will never pay for it.
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« Reply #74 on: Nov 28, 2006, 07:04 »
I'm sorry i started this subject.  I will no longer post anything on nukeworker again.  Escpecially if it means I have to deal with ignorant narrow minded people.

okay so add me to the list of those who appreciate a lively discussion without those miscreants jumping in riding their high horses...   unfortunately there's no keeping them out...  so i hope you'll follow the good advice you've read here and keep posting...   

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« Reply #75 on: Nov 28, 2006, 08:47 »
.... those miscreants jumping in riding their high horses... 

hay, heigh!  sumz us miscreants dahnt jump in riding high horses, we sleep on on 'em n@!!!


btw, inyourface, eye like yer screen name.   ;)
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« Reply #76 on: Nov 30, 2006, 07:30 »
inyourface, please let us know that you're still with us. it was a thoughtful post and the site can use thoughtful people.

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« Reply #77 on: Jun 16, 2007, 12:19 »
Okay    I missed four pages of threds without any guilt.......

Can I har a hell yeah for a specific group of techs that need their hands held????


I for one would be more than happy to contibute to a fund to support capable techs, provide for the youngens,,,,, and force the ummmmm... yeah those to sit down (preferably at a much reduced pay)


oooops   musta been the beer... sorry folks I believe thiis was off topic
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« Reply #78 on: Jun 16, 2007, 06:35 »
If anyone is in need of daycare for the Fall outage at D.C. Cook, please send me a PM.  I live 6 miles from the plant and my husband will be working the outage.  I won't be because I have my two little guys.  However, I am very partial to the industry and want to do my part, even if that means watching your little ones.  It's very difficult to find someone who knows the hours we keep and willing to help out. 

Please let me know.

Lorrie :)

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« Reply #79 on: Oct 20, 2009, 01:35 »
This is not the utilities job.

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« Reply #80 on: Oct 20, 2009, 07:15 »
I agree.  Utilities do not have a responsibility to provide anything in the way of services to employees.  That they offer so much is testament to their concern for the value of their employees.  If there's something you (plural) want outside of the plant's offerings, why not organize it yourself outside of work? 

Example: You want daycare (I have three kids, so I can relate), and so do several co-workers.  You call around and set something up.  If there's nothing available, maybe one of the spouses comes along and gets a temporary license from the county/state as required.  Local colleges sometimes have employment programs that include daycare/babysitting.  The point is, there are options for daycare, and the utility doesn't owe it to you.

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« Reply #81 on: Oct 20, 2009, 09:37 »
Turn the kids time to making something useful, get a contract with Nike and they provide the day care center and the kids make the shoes like they do in Asia.

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« Reply #82 on: Oct 20, 2009, 12:29 »
there it is done

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« Reply #83 on: Oct 20, 2009, 06:40 »
Do the plants with daycare provide the service on site or is it just outside the gate?  It is actually a good idea.  There are so many families with both parents working or single parent families who could use the extra help.

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« Reply #84 on: Oct 21, 2009, 07:48 »
If you think there's a market for it, why not set it up?  Could be a real money-maker.  Of course, you've got zoning and such to worry about.  If there's money in it, someone will go for it.  If there isn't, well... just wait for the government to throw your tax dollars at it.

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« Reply #85 on: Oct 21, 2009, 04:05 »
Lol good point about the tax dollars.  No I wouldnt want to go through all the red tape, insurance, startup costs, staffing, and all that to much work.

 


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