.."showmethemoney"...prior to replying to a post..I usually read up on the entire subject...so at least I will know what I am talking about...sometimes I make an A$$ out of myself...sometimes argue,,,sometimes bring out a good point or two...and this subject is near and dear to some of us,,,as we lost friendships that were decades old the last time a union for traveling techs was tried...I agree union work for house techs, works...but for travelers, it wont because we dont all live in the same area..I think the reason unions for welders, millwrights, electricians, works, is these workers are from the same town, city at least state...they have a local hall, train together, work as a team, break together..vacate together...ride their motorcycles together......not many HP's live in the same place,,except maybe Ocala, Fl.....I have worked union jobs, non union,,it doesnt matter to me...and this tech A thing,,I have never been in that situation..I have been fired, sent home, taken off a job,,,but I have never been afraid to stop a job, call a supervisor, document the problem,,follow a procedure,,ask a stupid question...or quit a job, because of a problem with management.....JJ, you have talked alot of pro-union, so tell me this....just how do we go about organizing,,the correct way, not like the last fiasco?....I am all for it, if it's done right...red