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Booties and Gloves
« on: Jan 24, 2007, 08:41 »
Inquiring minds at BNP are wondering if any commercial facilities in the US still permit CA entries in just booties and gloves? If you know of a plant, could you enlighten me on any restrictions: ie contamination levels or limits, no climbing, kneeling,or inspections only. If possible, could you also provide a point of contact.
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« Reply #1 on: Jan 24, 2007, 09:17 »
I remember doing a few entries into spaces with booties/gloves and lab coat.  Generally it was the type of entry where I was just walking into a space to look at something from the ground and leave... I don't remember what the contamination levels were, I imagine they were barely dirty with such little protection.

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« Reply #2 on: Jan 24, 2007, 10:10 »
At DC Cook there is a allowance for Operators to walk through a CA at the entrance of lower containment with booties and gloves because of an isolated clean area on the other side, they take a clean pair with them for the trip back in a bag.  I don't know about any other areas where that would be allowed at that facility.

Also a similar situation with SONGS and the security force there.  There is a post just inside the step off pad to containment that is a clean room.  They do it like the example at Cook above.  I do know that there is an allowance at SONGS for lab coat, booties and gloves for certain situations but not just booties and gloves.  More and more I hear that plants have gone away from the practice.
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« Reply #3 on: Jan 24, 2007, 10:43 »
Ok, Thanks Bat Man and Shayne. I'm most interested in just booties and glove, no lab coat. We have areas posted CA, that you could roll around on the floor and not get contaminated. Full dress is a pain, espeacially if you are just "looking"!
JJ ;)

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« Reply #4 on: Jan 24, 2007, 11:02 »
I know some of the cleaner plants such as v.c summers allows workers to enter containment in booties and gloves for a lot of the general work. full pc's were required for entry into the cavity, and anything inside the bio wall.I don't recall off hand the exact contamination levels but i believe at summers the general area contam levels were about < 10K.

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« Reply #5 on: Jan 24, 2007, 11:33 »
Some places allow booties and gloves if you are not going to climb, knee or crawl over pipes and equipment. But you must not be wearing street clothes.  One must be in scribs to do this.  No clothing reimbursements.  Needless to say most end up wearing pc's. 
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« Reply #6 on: Jan 24, 2007, 12:27 »
Sequoyah allows booties and gloves through a traverse path to Upper Ice (inside containment) as long as you are wearing long-sleeved scrubs.

Most TVAN general RWPs now make the same allowances for OPS that they had previously reserved for RP Techs. Gloves and booties are sometimes the designated dressout for OPS and RP (even with the NRC Resident watching), but not usually for other crafts.
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« Reply #7 on: Jan 24, 2007, 01:48 »
We use booties and gloves.
Any CA for inspection purposes.
No climbing, crawling, tight spaces.
RP's use booties and gloves for routines, surveys, etc.

We've recently had some issues where maintenance workers were working in booties and gloves.  We changed so all work in a contaminated area has to be done in a full suit up.  Prior to that we did allow some minor work in booties and gloves.

We still allow contaminated work in rubber gloves reaching across boundaries.  I&C uses this a lot on instrument racks that are potential contaminated internally.  They are also allowed, per RWP, to reach across C/A's in gloves and do work on contaminated systems.  We allow this on an as needed basis for maintenance.  Pop quite a few valves open with just gloves until we establish conditions.  Is this crazy?  We have a decent database of past  levels of many components.  We routinely verify past radiological conditions prior to entering.

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« Reply #8 on: Jan 24, 2007, 02:52 »
Ok, Thanks Bat Man and Shayne. I'm most interested in just booties and glove, no lab coat. We have areas posted CA, that you could roll around on the floor and not get contaminated. Full dress is a pain, espeacially if you are just "looking"!
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We worked hard at deposting our plant's CA's.  We are now less than 7% C/A.  For a BWR that's pretty good.  If you can roll around and not get contaminated, can you release from a CA?  Sometimes it's a mindset to get over.  We still have workers wondering if areas are "really" clean.

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« Reply #9 on: Jan 24, 2007, 04:27 »
justme, which plants? Dustball what plant do you work at? How do you work the Turbine during outages?
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« Reply #10 on: Jan 24, 2007, 07:39 »
Ok, Thanks Bat Man and Shayne. I'm most interested in just booties and glove, no lab coat. We have areas posted CA, that you could roll around on the floor and not get contaminated. Full dress is a pain, espeacially if you are just "looking"!
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sumbuddy gotta axe dis.... why are areas posted c.a. without enuff contamination to git crapped up?  iffen ya gots components that are crapped up, post them 'n leaf da floor posted clean.  doy!
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« Reply #11 on: Jan 24, 2007, 09:57 »
SloGlo,
Our biggest area is the Turbine. we are a BWR. During an outage we do lots of breeches and it's slighty contaminated. But with the amount of floor space lack of HP's it's easier to leave large areas posted CA. We do release  a lot but some stays in the CA.
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« Reply #12 on: Jan 25, 2007, 05:12 »
SloGlo,
Our biggest area is the Turbine. we are a BWR. During an outage we do lots of breeches and it's slighty contaminated. But with the amount of floor space lack of HP's it's easier to leave large areas posted CA. We do release  a lot but some stays in the CA.
JJ :P
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That's your problem. You gotta' get that cleaned up. Our turbine area (early model BWR) is all clean. Anybody can walk all around the hoods with no PC's. Any HRA's are roped off.

I would suggest looking into who has the lowest %CA of the BWR's and make a road trip. Go see what they do.
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« Reply #13 on: Jan 25, 2007, 06:46 »
Inquiring minds at BNP are wondering if any commercial facilities in the US still permit CA entries in just booties and gloves? If you know of a plant, could you enlighten me on any restrictions: ie contamination levels or limits, no climbing, kneeling,or inspections only. If possible, could you also provide a point of contact.
Thanks,
JJ 8)


Entering a CA in just booties and gloves is a novel idea, imagine the cost savings of not laundering.  A quick rinse before exiting the RCA and you're good to go.
May help in the heat stress areas also.  I wonder what the stay time would be, factoring heavy work and just booties and gloves.  Climbing over those hot pipes is gonna be a bitch.   :'(
I reckon the only drawback is the sites seen inside the CA while everyone's running around donned in just booties and gloves.   :o
Scenes probably better left to their loved ones and mothers.
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« Reply #14 on: Jan 26, 2007, 02:12 »
Scenes probably better left to their loved ones and mothers.
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« Reply #15 on: Jan 27, 2007, 10:12 »
Melrose your killing me! I just got back from Vegas, and Dangerfield is dead! There's an opening! Everyone wants to be a comedian. No Respect, No respect at all!! SloGlo hesh up! Yew aynt bin tue a kumershal syte sinz racters waz maid frum would!!! RangerRoy and Dustball, you ever consider a carreer in politics? You responded to the question, but never aswered it. Then you blamed poor old JJ for all of the contaminated sqaure footage.Ok I accept it. It's all my fault. I'm going to change things here. I'm going to clean it up this outage. :P But I want to do it in booties and gloves. Now where did you say you worked! Summer doesn't do it and neither does Seqouya. We checked. But thanks for the leads! Any where else folks? I've just got to know!
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« Reply #16 on: Jan 28, 2007, 08:38 »
it's a common practice at a some (if not all) of the Exelon plants to allow B&G w/ Scrubs for 'inspection only' in low C areas....say <10k avg

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« Reply #17 on: Jan 28, 2007, 09:33 »
it's a common practice at a some (if not all) of the Exelon plants to allow B&G w/ Scrubs for 'inspection only' in low C areas....say <10k avg
Thank You,
This will help. I will check it out :D
JJ
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« Reply #18 on: Jan 29, 2007, 03:08 »
Ok, Thanks Bat Man and Shayne. I'm most interested in just booties and glove, no lab coat. We have areas posted CA, that you could roll around on the floor and not get contaminated. Full dress is a pain, espeacially if you are just "looking"!
JJ ;)


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« Reply #19 on: Jan 29, 2007, 01:44 »
Nine Mile also uses booties and gloves for inspections and observations under the following conditions: 400-25,000 dpm/100cm2, dry work only, and no climbing, kneeling, or sitting. For the most part this dressout is used for supervisor walkdowns or to check on crews, RP surveys, OPS walkdowns or to hang clearances or security walk throughs. Usually if the activity involves "work" then it goes to a single set.
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« Reply #20 on: Jan 30, 2007, 08:00 »
Are we talking 'boobies and gloves' while wearing civies or while wearing scrubs?  ;)

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« Reply #21 on: Jan 30, 2007, 10:54 »
Booties and gloves while wearing "utility provided clothing". OPS clothing is acceptable, personal scrubs should not be.
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« Reply #22 on: Jan 30, 2007, 08:31 »
Company issued scrubs, booties and gloves with no lab coat. Mainly for ops and HP, but inpections and walkdowns also.
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« Reply #23 on: Jan 30, 2007, 10:36 »
Nine Mile also uses booties and gloves for inspections and observations under the following conditions: 400-25,000 dpm/100cm2, dry work only, and no climbing, kneeling, or sitting. For the most part this dressout is used for supervisor walkdowns or to check on crews, RP surveys, OPS walkdowns or to hang clearances or security walk throughs. Usually if the activity involves "work" then it goes to a single set.

Sorry JJ, I don't check nukeworker out on a daily basis, so I haven't replied earlier.  Not too political savy here.  More of a straight shooter.  Plant is Monticello.

Nine Mile has real similar rules/guidelines to ours.  No "WORK" in B&G.  We've recently gone overboard on percons attention.  ANYTHING >100ncpm is considered a percon ~ even on scrubs, shoes, etc.  We don't require scrubs or anything special when wearing B&G.  Street clothes are fine.   During the outage we try to minimize our postings on the TB Floor.  We post turbine internals C/A when we pull the hoods off. The majority of our Condenser room is clean right now.  We keep it that way during the outage.  Under the water boxes is posted C/A. We do post around stop/control valves when entering them of course.   Our C/A limit is <1000dpm/100cm2.  But we attempt to control alara.  Turbine would be tough.  I've been in the drywell several times in booties and gloves.  Some posters here seem scared of allowing people in B&G.  I guess it depends on your average contamination levels.  Most of our CA's are <5k dpm general area.  Again, popping valves open and working them under the control of RP has been allowed with rubber gloves too.  Typically under 10k and smaller valves, but no hard and fast rules.

I was at Crystal River in the 90's.  I seen Big Al McClosky (sp) down in the cavity with shorts on (yes shorts!) booties and gloves and a labcoat.  As an RP you could go where no man has gone before.  BUT, if you got crapped up you had hell to pay.  If anyone remembers... a tort is a tort is a tort.

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« Reply #24 on: Jan 30, 2007, 10:45 »
Melrose your killing me! I just got back from Vegas, and Dangerfield is dead! There's an opening! Everyone wants to be a comedian. No Respect, No respect at all!! SloGlo hesh up! Yew aynt bin tue a kumershal syte sinz racters waz maid frum would!!! RangerRoy and Dustball, you ever consider a carreer in politics? You responded to the question, but never aswered it. Then you blamed poor old JJ for all of the contaminated sqaure footage.Ok I accept it. It's all my fault. I'm going to change things here. I'm going to clean it up this outage. :P But I want to do it in booties and gloves. Now where did you say you worked! Summer doesn't do it and neither does Seqouya. We checked. But thanks for the leads! Any where else folks? I've just got to know!
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