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Title: Karma
Post by: Rennhack on Jul 17, 2010, 04:16: Due to an excessive number of complaints about “who smited me”, referring to the optional karma feature in the message board, the mysterious “karma log” will be retired.

The karma log is not a standard feature in the forum software, and may not be compatible with the next version of the software, which we will be upgrading to soon.

I understand that the karma log was a very enjoyable and popular feature, and I regret having to remove the feature; however it has caused more harm than good.

If we continue to get complaints about karma, the feature as a whole will be disabled.
Title: Re: Karma
Post by: retread on Jul 17, 2010, 06:18: The old herding cats analogy huh? ::) ::)
Title: Re: Karma
Post by: Rennhack on Jul 17, 2010, 09:01: Quote from: retread on Jul 17, 2010, 06:18
The old herding cats analogy huh? ::) ::)
Yes
Title: Re: Karma
Post by: Camella Black on Jul 17, 2010, 09:54: Although I have not used the karma buttons (until today) for a few weeks I cannot fathom nukeworker without them. I believe that Mike has allowed a few members to totally rip apart what he and others have developed here. People need to grow up and come into the real world...

This site used to be fun and enjoyable; heck even the fights and squabbles were gotten over fairly quickly and even enjoyable at times... I can't pinpoint when it began to happen but over the past several months someone has been pushing some buttons or pulling some strings because I never would have believed that Mike R would ever allow mere members cause this type of alteration of n.w.

As a gold member, I believe one of the perks offered was the option to give karma... if karma goes then well so should the paid membership... only my opinion but its the way I feel.
Title: Re: Karma
Post by: t_tarbox on Jul 17, 2010, 11:24: Here..before we beat this dead horse again..

http://www.nukeworker.com/forum/index.php/topic,20932.120.html (http://www.nukeworker.com/forum/index.php/topic,20932.120.html)

Thread Lock?
Title: Re: Karma
Post by: Camella Black on Jul 17, 2010, 11:37: Quote from: T Tarbox on Jul 17, 2010, 11:24
Here..before we beat this dead horse again..

http://www.nukeworker.com/forum/index.php/topic,20932.120.html (http://www.nukeworker.com/forum/index.php/topic,20932.120.html)

Thread Lock?

By all means... lock it. Good lord... this place is turning into a police state. ::)
Title: Re: Karma
Post by: Rennhack on Jul 18, 2010, 12:16: Quote from: HydroDave63 on Jul 17, 2010, 11:58
Poking the guy trying to restore calm won't help :-\

Some times you have to ask yourself. "Self, am I part of the solution? Or am I part of the problem?"
Title: Re: Karma
Post by: co60slr on Jul 18, 2010, 11:36: Quote from: Marssim on Jul 18, 2010, 10:32
... and yet, evil exists
So say us simple humans.

Sic transit gloria mundi....
Title: Re: Karma
Post by: Rennhack on Jul 18, 2010, 03:00: I have removed the karma log files.

I have temporarily given EVERY user the ability to smite and applaud people. Have fun.
Title: Re: Karma
Post by: HydroDave63 on Jul 18, 2010, 04:24: Quote from: Marssim on Jul 18, 2010, 03:52
RIP...RIP...RIP...RIP...RIP...RIP...RIP...RIP...RIP...RIP...

(http://www.nukeworker.com/pictures/albums/userpics/11535/karmalogrip.png) (http://www.nukeworker.com/pictures/albums/userpics/11535/karmalogrip.png)

Now no one has to dwell on being envious of your Karma :P
Title: Re: Karma
Post by: retread on Jul 18, 2010, 04:35: Quote from: Rennhack on Jul 18, 2010, 03:00
I have removed the karma log files.

I have temporarily given EVERY user the ability to smite and applaud people. Have fun.
So the advantage of being a GM is............
Title: Re: Karma
Post by: HydroDave63 on Jul 18, 2010, 04:38: Quote from: retread on Jul 18, 2010, 04:35
So the advantage of being a GM is............

Posting to PolySci where the same 6 people read and comment ;)
Title: Re: Karma
Post by: Rennhack on Jul 18, 2010, 04:58: Quote from: retread on Jul 18, 2010, 04:35
So the advantage of being a GM is............

There has never been an advantage to being one. It is a personal choice. It is not a monetarily advantageous investment.

It does allow you to post in the GM only areas, and read the stuff that gets moved there. But mostly, it's a "tangible display of support for the site" thing.
Title: Re: Karma
Post by: DDMurray on Jul 19, 2010, 05:30: Quote from: Rennhack on Jul 18, 2010, 04:58
There has never been an advantage to being one. It is a personal choice. It is not a monetarily advantageous investment.

It does allow you to post in the GM only areas, and read the stuff that gets moved there. But mostly, it's a "tangible display of support for the site" thing.
I found nukeworker in 2005. When searching for post-Navy employment, it was a great networking resource. 2 of 5 interviews came from contacts made through nukeworker. Becoming a GM seemed like a good way to show my gratitude in a "tangible display of support for the site". It looks like to me that the tone of the site has been set on its heels recently. I'm not sure why that is, but to me NW has nothing to explain or apologize for. If you don't like the site, don't visit it. If you do like the site, support it.
Title: Re: Karma
Post by: Marlin on Jul 19, 2010, 07:29: I have great respect for Colin Powell and have reviewed his Leadership Primer from time to time as a reminder. Here is his Lesson One.

Lesson 1

Being responsible sometimes means pissing people off.

Good leadership involves responsibility to the welfare of the group, which means that some people will get angry at your actions and decisions. It's inevitable if you're honorable. Trying to get everyone to like you is a sign of mediocrity: You'll avoid the tough decisions, you'll avoid confronting the people who need to be confronted, and you'll avoid offering differential rewards based on differential performance because some people might get upset. Ironically, by procrastinating on the difficult choices, by trying not to get anyone mad, and by treating everyone equally "nicely" regardless of their contributions, you'll simply ensure that the only people you'll wind up angering are the most creative and productive people in the organization.

http://www.chally.com/enews/powell.html
Title: Re: Karma
Post by: Rennhack on Jul 19, 2010, 08:25: Quote from: DDMurray on Jul 19, 2010, 05:30
I found nukeworker in 2005. When searching for post-Navy employment, it was a great networking resource. 2 of 5 interviews came from contacts made through nukeworker. Becoming a GM seemed like a good way to show my gratitude in a "tangible display of support for the site". It looks like to me that the tone of the site has been set on its heels recently. I'm not sure why that is, but to me NW has nothing to explain or apologize for. If you don't like the site, don't visit it. If you do like the site, support it.

Thank you.

Quote from: Marlin on Jul 19, 2010, 07:29
Trying to get everyone to like you is a sign of mediocrity

See that? My buddy is calling me mediocre.

Marlin,

What is really happening is this:

"ONE GUY" is bitching about the site, claiming that we are a click/a club. That we are deleting posts that we don't like, just to suit our agenda. That he, and people like him, are being persecuted.

I say "ONE GUY" in quotes, because this guy is starting to get followers.

I've heard about this favoritism stuff for too long, and my buttons have been mashed on for too long. This isn't a single response to a single complaint. It’s been happening for years now.

Sometimes I’m a smart guy. Sometimes when people tell me that my fly is down I look down to check to see if it is. Often my fly is down, and I have to adjust it.

As you know, in the nuclear industry, we are programmed to give and receive peer coaching. We are not to get excited when someone complains, or makes an observation. These observations are meant to help us improve, if we are willing to listen.

Listening to every yahoo does not mean implement what every yahoo suggests. However, if you get enough independent yahoos all singing the same song… the melody is hard to resist, and you start to hum a few bars.

I want you to know that the recent changes were not the result of any recent actions, other than they may have been the catalyst.

These changes have been made over several months, even years. Any they do not need to be permanent changes. Just as the climate has changes on this site several times, it will change again, and require us to adapt again.

There are a few expected outcomes from this recent action.
1: The karma log is dead. Long live karma. – This will remove >50% of the complaints I get.
2: The people that claim they are being over moderated will only have me to blame, not some mysterious moderator. They might get me to fire a moderator if they complain long enough. But they are not going to get me to fire myself. So the next step in complaint reduction would be to remove THEM.
3: At some point, we will need to bring some of the moderators back. A forum needs moderators. When we bring moderators back, we need to do a better job a training them, and managing them. We have failed to give any of the moderators any training or guidance.

Things change, but they don’t have to stay changed.
Title: Re: Karma
Post by: Marlin on Jul 19, 2010, 10:25: I was focusing on the part I highlighted in blue, I had not thought much about the mediocrity thing! Do we need to talk? The Psychiatrist is in only 5 cents!! ;)

P.S. I miss the monthly poker games. I only play poker every three or four months instead of every month now.
Title: Re: Karma
Post by: Rennhack on Jul 19, 2010, 11:11: I'm starting to get what I'm looking for. A little outrage from the silent majority.
Title: Re: Karma
Post by: retread on Jul 19, 2010, 02:05: Quote from: Rennhack on Jul 19, 2010, 11:11
I'm starting to get what I'm looking for. A little outrage from the silent majority.
I tend to be a little thin skinned at times, especially when my ego gets hurt. Thus, the recent juvenile posts. Mike, I still love this site. I'll miss being able to see who smited whom, but I'm sure I'll get over it. This site has been a blessing! Had it not been for someone calling me a kiss a** for applauding you, I'm sure I would have kept it up.
Title: Re: Karma
Post by: Rennhack on Jul 19, 2010, 03:04: Quote from: retread on Jul 19, 2010, 02:05
Had it not been for someone calling me a kiss a** for applauding you, I'm sure I would have kept it up.

Now they will never know.
Title: Re: Karma
Post by: let-it-ride on Jul 19, 2010, 03:33: Please read my post for Moderator Changes. Things also can apply here. :)
Title: Re: Karma
Post by: Rennhack on Jul 19, 2010, 04:34: Quote from: Gert on Jul 19, 2010, 04:31
I am a new member here and was curious about the karma function. Is it open to all members now or do you have to meet certain goals to be able to give/recieve karma?
Typically, only gold members can use affect other peoples karma.

I have temporarily opened up karmic actions to everyone.
Title: Re: Karma
Post by: DDMurray on Jul 19, 2010, 05:51: Once when I was getting a lot of complaints I instituted a complaint department. I assigned Helen Wait to handle all complaints. So if anybody had a complaint, they could go to Helen Wait.

Didn't help, but made me feel better.
Title: Re: Karma
Post by: RDTroja on Jul 20, 2010, 08:46: Quote from: DDMurray on Jul 19, 2010, 05:51
Once when I was getting a lot of complaints I instituted a complaint department. I assigned Helen Wait to handle all complaints. So if anybody had a complaint, they could go to Helen Wait.

Didn't help, but made me feel better.

I worked for a company that hired her cousin for the same job. Her name was Helen Hunt, just like the actress. If I had a problem they told me to go to Helen Hunt for the answer.

Didn't help me much, either.
Title: Re: Karma
Post by: UncaBuffalo on Jul 25, 2010, 11:22: Quote from: Marssim on Jul 18, 2010, 03:52
RIP...RIP...RIP...RIP...RIP...RIP...RIP...RIP...RIP...RIP...

(http://www.nukeworker.com/pictures/albums/userpics/11535/karmalogrip.png)

:'( I miss the log :'(
Title: Re: Karma
Post by: Rennhack on Jul 26, 2010, 10:47: Quote from: Rennhack on Jul 18, 2010, 03:00
I have temporarily given EVERY user the ability to smite and applaud people. Have fun.

The Karma ability has been set back to Gold Members only access. I hope you enjoyed it.