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Facility & Company Information => Region IV (Western) => National Enrichment Facility => Topic started by: Rennhack on Sep 09, 2007, 12:13

Title: National Enrichment Facility
Post by: Rennhack on Sep 09, 2007, 12:13
Talk about this company here.  Don't forget to vote.
Title: Re: National Enrichment Facility
Post by: Brigrat on Sep 13, 2007, 09:25
We should add this site to the Region 2 forum. 

All in all, this is a good company to work for.  Competitive pay, interesting culture (3 of our 4 sites are in Europe), and exciting work.
Title: Re: National Enrichment Facility
Post by: Rennhack on Sep 15, 2007, 12:33
We should add this site to the Region 2 forum. 
I lost the other argument, but this one I can win.  NEF isn't in Region 2, it's in Region 4.
Title: Re: National Enrichment Facility
Post by: Brigrat on Sep 17, 2007, 02:53
Actually, it is in region 2.  Back in 2003, all Fuel Cycle facilities regardless of location were placed in region two out of Atlanta.  This includes the fuel fab facilities, USEC, and the NEF.
Title: Re: National Enrichment Facility
Post by: Brigrat on Sep 17, 2007, 02:59
Although we do not show up in any of the regions on the NRC Website, you will notice on the second page of the following attachment, the only NRC personnel from the region were all from RII or region 2.

http://adamswebsearch2.nrc.gov/idmws/doccontent.dll?library=PU_ADAMS^PBNTAD01&ID=072410148

This link also shows about 2/3's of the way down that all Fuel Cycle is in Region 2
Title: Re: National Enrichment Facility
Post by: Rennhack on Sep 17, 2007, 06:49
Thats nice.  I don't really care which inspector you have.  You will notice that none of the DOE sites are listed on your NRC list, but we include them GEOGRAPHICALLY on NukeWorker.  It's just coincidence that our regions 1-4 coincide with the NRC's regions.  I can guarentee you that New Mexico is "Western" (Our Region 4), and not "South East" (Our Region 2).

And... nice link, but us mortals don't have access to http://adamswebsearch2.nrc.gov
Title: Re: National Enrichment Facility
Post by: Brigrat on Sep 17, 2007, 09:11
Pardon me for not knowing that regions 1-4 on your site had no relation to regions 1-4 in the NRC world...it makes sense to list DOE sites geographically, since they do not fall in to any NRC Region...but if a facility does fall in to a region it seems logical to include it in said named region...I would be willing to bet that 99% of the people here assumed that your regions 1-4 were intended to represent something similar to the 4 NRC regions that we are all familiar with...its your site...you can obviously do as you wish, it is your site, I will no longer attempt to correct information that is inaccurately if you find it offensive.


Title: Re: National Enrichment Facility
Post by: Rennhack on Sep 17, 2007, 11:37
I understand that the Region II office in Atlanta has national responsibilities for fuel cycle facilities.
You understand that New Mexico is physically located in Region 4.


NukeWorker tries to design it’s site to be easy for people to find information.  How many people in the world will look for New Mexico in the “South East” region?  The NRC site lists New Mexico in Region 4, see link.
http://www.nrc.gov/info-finder/region-state/index.html

And as of today, it does not list the NEF in any region.

You can admit that listing a New Mexico facility in “western”, with ALL THE OTHER New Mexico facilities makes sense, or you can insist that we put a New Mexico facility in the South East Region, because some people in the NRC's atlanta office didn't have enought work to do. 

Would you prefer that I divide NukeWorker into 10 regions like the EPA?  Then where does it go? (Region 6)  Our 4 region split is just to prevent the overload that people would get from having everything on one page.

(http://www.epa.gov/epahome/images/us-regions.gif)

I obviously don’t know everything there is to know about nuclear.  But I know where New Mexico is.  And I know where 99.999% of our users will look for a facility that is located in New Mexico.

Here is the public NRC page about the NEF, that the rest of us can access:
http://www.nrc.gov/materials/fuel-cycle-fac/lesfacility.html
It does not mention Region 2, or 4.

It doesn’t matter to a geographic map, what office your inspectors are dispatched out of.  PHYSICALLY, the site is located in Region 4, “Western” United States.

Look at the map below, and tell me where most people would look?

(http://www.nrc.gov/images/info-finder/reactor/reactors-map.gif)
Title: Re: National Enrichment Facility
Post by: Rennhack on Sep 18, 2007, 12:08
...but if a facility does fall in to a region it seems logical to include it in said named region... I will no longer attempt to correct information that is inaccurately if you find it offensive.

I don't find your 'corrections' offensive.  I welcome peer checking.  But I beg to differ with you.

The facility isn't IN region 2, the region 2 inspectors are responsible for it.  There is a difference.

But to be fair, I’ll let Troy (Beercourt) decide.  Troy, what do you say?
Title: Re: National Enrichment Facility
Post by: Already Gone on Sep 18, 2007, 01:24
I feel like Judge Judy.

I am going to decide in favor of Region 4.

The purpose of the facilities map is to help the user locate a site without the inside knowledge that he or she would need to know that the site is under the authority of a particular NRC office.

Those people who have such knowledge would not likely need to use NukeWorker.com as their information source for the facility in question.  Those who seek facility information on this site generally do so because their knowledge of a site is limited, and they are seeking to add to it.

Though the facility should be listed under region 4, the fact that it is under the authority of NRC Region 2 would be a nice bit of trivia to include in a post in the Talk About section of the forum.  Well, I see that this has already been done in a major way.

Court is adjourned.
Title: Re: National Enrichment Facility
Post by: Mike_Koehler on Sep 18, 2007, 01:53

Court is adjourned.

Would that be a Beer Court you are adjourning?

Mike
Title: Re: National Enrichment Facility
Post by: Already Gone on Sep 18, 2007, 07:18
+karma for being the first to catch that.
Title: Re: National Enrichment Facility
Post by: Brigrat on Sep 18, 2007, 09:08
Your point is valid.  I wasn't thinking from the perspective of where people would look for the site, simply what region it is actually in.

Title: Re: National Enrichment Facility
Post by: Rennhack on Sep 18, 2007, 10:27
Your point is valid.  I wasn't thinking from the perspective of where people would look for the site, simply what region it is actually in.

Again, the facility isn't IN region 2, the region 2 inspectors are responsible for it.  There is a difference.

I have listed links as to how the regions are actually defined by the NRC.  I can give the websters deffinition of a region too if you like.  It isn't IN 2.  It's regulated by 2.  Please stop saying "in".  It's driving me nucking futs.

Region is defined as an 'area' or 'spatial location'.  It is not 'spatially located' in the south east, it is not IN the south east.  It is not IN region 2.  It is regulated by region 2 inspectors.

This isn't hard, we can all agree on this.  And I know if Troy says '4', the answer is '4'.

I'm sorry if I'm beating a dead horse, and I'm sorry if I'm offending you.  But my OCD just goes crazy every time youy say it's "in" 2.  It's not IN 2.
Title: Re: National Enrichment Facility
Post by: illegalsmile on Sep 19, 2007, 06:04
Dictionary.com Unabridged (v 1.1) - Cite This Source
re·gion      /ˈridʒən/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[ree-juhn] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–noun 1. an extensive, continuous part of a surface, space, or body: a region of the earth. 
2. Usually, regions. the vast or indefinite entirety of a space or area, or something compared to one: the regions of the firmament; the regions of the mind. 
3. a part of the earth's surface (land or sea) of considerable and usually indefinite extent: a tropical region. 
4. a district without respect to boundaries or extent: a charming region in Connecticut. 
5. a part or division of the universe, as the heavens: a galactic region. 
6. a large indefinite area or range of something specified; sphere: a region of authority. 
7. an area of interest, activity, pursuit, etc.; field: studies in the region of logic. 
8. an administrative division of a city or territory. 
9. Zoogeography. a major faunal area of the earth's surface, sometimes one regarded as a division of a larger area. 
10. Anatomy. a place in or a division of the body or a part of the body: the abdominal region. 
11. Mathematics. a. Also called domain. an open connected set. 
b. the union of such a set and some or all of its boundary points. 
 


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[Origin: 1300–50; ME < AF regiun < L regiōn- (s. of regiō) direction, line, boundary, equiv. to reg(ere) to rule + -iōn- -ion]


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Title: Re: National Enrichment Facility
Post by: Brigrat on Oct 02, 2007, 10:50
Dictionary.com Unabridged (v 1.1) - Cite This Source
re·gion      /ˈridʒən/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[ree-juhn] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–noun 1. an extensive, continuous part of a surface, space, or body: a region of the earth. 
2. Usually, regions. the vast or indefinite entirety of a space or area, or something compared to one: the regions of the firmament; the regions of the mind. 
3. a part of the earth's surface (land or sea) of considerable and usually indefinite extent: a tropical region. 
4. a district without respect to boundaries or extent: a charming region in Connecticut. 
5. a part or division of the universe, as the heavens: a galactic region. 
6. a large indefinite area or range of something specified; sphere: a region of authority.
7. an area of interest, activity, pursuit, etc.; field: studies in the region of logic.
8. an administrative division of a city or territory.
9. Zoogeography. a major faunal area of the earth's surface, sometimes one regarded as a division of a larger area. 
10. Anatomy. a place in or a division of the body or a part of the body: the abdominal region. 
11. Mathematics. a. Also called domain. an open connected set. 
b. the union of such a set and some or all of its boundary points. 
 


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[Origin: 1300–50; ME < AF regiun < L regiōn- (s. of regiō) direction, line, boundary, equiv. to reg(ere) to rule + -iōn- -ion]


—Synonyms 1. area, section, portion. 4. locale, site, tract, quarter.

Title: Re: National Enrichment Facility
Post by: Rennhack on Oct 03, 2007, 08:17
Have we gotten far enought off topic yet?
Title: Re: National Enrichment Facility
Post by: NaVLI4 on Oct 03, 2007, 09:31
Have we gotten far enought off topic yet?

Yes, but it was your OCD that got us there. 
I understand that the Region II office in Atlanta has national responsibilities for fuel cycle facilities.
You understand that New Mexico is physically located in Region 4.




Oh yeah, stop shouting at the rest of us.  :)  Well, technically you aren't shouting at us because you didn't type in all CAPS, but you did bold your sentence to get across your point.  Would that be more like pointing your finger but not shouting? :-\
Title: Re: National Enrichment Facility
Post by: illegalsmile on Oct 03, 2007, 04:10
i took it that he was just bolding it to call our attention to the parts of the definition that supported his position
Title: Re: National Enrichment Facility
Post by: Rennhack on Oct 03, 2007, 07:02
i took it that he was just bolding it to call our attention to the parts of the definition that supported his position

Yeah, what he said.
Title: Re: National Enrichment Facility
Post by: landlubber on Oct 03, 2007, 07:20
This is the funniest thread I have ever read on the internet. :-*
But my OCD just goes crazy every time youy say it's "in" 2.
Both of you are exhibiting OCARD, not OCD. OCARD is a more advanced state of OCD, you are both showing evidence of it. The good thing is, attacks of OCARD are very entertaining to watch!

Thanks for the show! ;)

Peace
Title: Re: National Enrichment Facility
Post by: Rennhack on Oct 03, 2007, 08:20
In true OCD fashion I googled "Define OCARD", which yielded nothing.
http://www.google.com/search?q=define+OCARD

I have to guess that you made it up, and that you think we are Anal Retentive.

Perhaps OCARD is a navy secret.  Or Draco spelled backwards. Or...
Title: Re: National Enrichment Facility
Post by: illegalsmile on Oct 03, 2007, 08:35
i think the 'R' stands for 'retentive'
Title: Re: National Enrichment Facility
Post by: Rennhack on Oct 03, 2007, 09:07
i think the 'R' stands for 'retentive'
Isn't that what I just said?
Title: Re: National Enrichment Facility
Post by: landlubber on Oct 03, 2007, 09:21
Isn't that what I just said?
Yes, that is what you said. And, yes, Anal Retentive is what the AR stands for. I actually did not make it up, but an ex-Navy nuke friend of mine uses it to describe one of our coworkers. I will ask my friend where he heard it. My friend says that OCARD is untreatable, but people around an OCARD sufferer should take medication to more easily cope with the symptoms.

Maybe we can add it to Wikipedia! :P



I apologize for all of this abuse, you don't deserve it.
Title: Re: National Enrichment Facility
Post by: NaVLI4 on Oct 03, 2007, 09:26
Yeah, what he said.

Where did the response to me go???  I personally thought the comment about speaking in a condescending tone was one of the funniest things you've typed in a long time.  :)
Title: Re: National Enrichment Facility
Post by: Marvin on Oct 03, 2007, 11:36
I think the NEF is a fine facility :)  (Not that I have ever worked there)
Title: Re: National Enrichment Facility
Post by: illegalsmile on Oct 04, 2007, 05:26
Isn't that what I just said?
wow, how'd i miss that? sorry?
Title: Re: National Enrichment Facility
Post by: Idlewild on Oct 13, 2007, 04:59
I think the NEF is a fine facility


It is going to be a nice facility once its finished. (I recently toured the plants in Europe that are similar to the one being built here) 
 
I work for a subcontractor to LES/Urenco, a small company called Enrichment Technology US.  Jointly owned by Urenco and Areva.
 LES and ETUS are both excellent to work for.   

In other news Areva announced in May 07 that they wish to build an enrichment site in the US.  Site search currently INW.

I retired off active duty in the USAF for this job and it is beginning to look like I have backed into a second career in the nuke industry. Time will tell.