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Title: Maintenance Supervisor
Post by: em1 on Oct 08, 2007, 02:31
I am an-ex 20 year Nuke EM who is considering a career change from Hourly pay as a Distribution System Operator (in the 30's) to an Electrical Maintenance Supervisor at a Nuke Plant (Salary plus bonuses).  Shiftwork is getting old as a DSO, but has anyone had any experiences or observed the job of the Electrical Maintenance Supervisor at a Nuke Plant. I know that you work long hours during outages, but was wondering about the stress during the normal periods.  :D :D :D
Title: Re: Electrical Maintenance Supervisor at Nuke Plant
Post by: alphadude on Oct 09, 2007, 03:26
you will give time to the company, work when they say you need too-with or with out compensation, work long hours during outages-with or with out compensation-

regular time periods- planning for next outage, day to day employee problems, shift schedules, pm logs- you get rated on how much of a backlog you have, emergent work-if the utility is proactive this is undercontrol-if they run it till it breaks for max profit- its day to day. 

make sure the salary is high enuff so that when the techs make a whole lot more money than you do because of OT- you can deal with it.

the stress level is the same for all line supervisors- don't trip the plant, is this on the schedule, send people to training but get the job done any way etc, build cases on the slugs, and so on...
Title: Re: Electrical Maintenance Supervisor at Nuke Plant
Post by: Joe Ferguson on Nov 05, 2007, 01:07
As a First Line Supervisor with Exelon (which is the largest nuclear fleet) you will enjoy the following.........

- you can be the 2nd or 3rd supv. of what is supposed to be a 4 man supv. team (they never completely fill the 4th, so right from the start your SOL).
- you will enjoy 10-11 hour days when it's not your Duty Week.
- you will enjoy 11-13 hour days when it is your Duty Week (this IS non-outage)
- you will be given your very own pager almost immediately and they will place you on the ERO roster.  That means atleast 1 week out of the month, you can't be more than an hour from work and you can't have 1-drop of alcohol.
- when it's not your duty week, a buddy will tell you he needs help.  He needs you to cover his week because he has concert tickets.
- you will be handsomely rewarded with about 20 vacation days each year plus the normal holidays ('cept ya can't use all of them cause something important will come up and they are gonna "need you here")
- you will be told about the great bonus structure and incentive programs where you can earn between 11-15% for 'doing good', then you will get about $2300.00 in February followed by the "I wish it could be more...." speech because the company had a tough year.
- your kids won't know ya.
- you and your wife will fight.

Best of luck, man.

Title: Re: Electrical Maintenance Supervisor at Nuke Plant
Post by: Roll Tide on Nov 05, 2007, 06:50
As a First Line Supervisor with Exelon (which is the largest nuclear fleet) you will enjoy the following.........

But to keep it in perspective (even for such a difficult place): it will mean more family time than you had when deployed...

Tag sounds like first-hand experience in a "challenging environment". Most plants aren't quite that tough (but there are shades of it at every plant).
Title: Re: Electrical Maintenance Supervisor at Nuke Plant
Post by: xobxdoc on Nov 05, 2007, 07:21
As a First Line Supervisor with Exelon (which is the largest nuclear fleet) you will enjoy the following.........

- you can be the 2nd or 3rd supv. of what is supposed to be a 4 man supv. team (they never completely fill the 4th, so right from the start your SOL).
- you will enjoy 10-11 hour days when it's not your Duty Week.
- you will enjoy 11-13 hour days when it is your Duty Week (this IS non-outage)
- you will be given your very own pager almost immediately and they will place you on the ERO roster.  That means atleast 1 week out of the month, you can't be more than an hour from work and you can't have 1-drop of alcohol.
- when it's not your duty week, a buddy will tell you he needs help.  He needs you to cover his week because he has concert tickets.
- you will be handsomely rewarded with about 20 vacation days each year plus the normal holidays ('cept ya can't use all of them cause something important will come up and they are gonna "need you here")
- you will be told about the great bonus structure and incentive programs where you can earn between 11-15% for 'doing good', then you will get about $2300.00 in February followed by the "I wish it could be more...." speech because the company had a tough year.
- your kids won't know ya.
- you and your wife will fight.

Best of luck, man.


They don't call it the fleet for nothing!!! It's pretty much the same at Constellation.
Title: Re: Electrical Maintenance Supervisor at Nuke Plant
Post by: Rennhack on Nov 05, 2007, 07:52
As a First Line Supervisor with Exelon (which is the largest nuclear fleet) you will enjoy the following.........

Exelent post.
Title: Re: Electrical Maintenance Supervisor at Nuke Plant
Post by: Kev3399 on Nov 05, 2007, 09:48
As a First Line Supervisor with Exelon (which is the largest nuclear fleet) you will enjoy the following.........

- you can be the 2nd or 3rd supv. of what is supposed to be a 4 man supv. team (they never completely fill the 4th, so right from the start your SOL).
- you will enjoy 10-11 hour days when it's not your Duty Week.
- you will enjoy 11-13 hour days when it is your Duty Week (this IS non-outage)
- you will be given your very own pager almost immediately and they will place you on the ERO roster.  That means atleast 1 week out of the month, you can't be more than an hour from work and you can't have 1-drop of alcohol.
- when it's not your duty week, a buddy will tell you he needs help.  He needs you to cover his week because he has concert tickets.
- you will be handsomely rewarded with about 20 vacation days each year plus the normal holidays ('cept ya can't use all of them cause something important will come up and they are gonna "need you here")
- you will be told about the great bonus structure and incentive programs where you can earn between 11-15% for 'doing good', then you will get about $2300.00 in February followed by the "I wish it could be more...." speech because the company had a tough year.
- your kids won't know ya.
- you and your wife will fight.

Best of luck, man.



Exelon demands alot from their people. I guess you could draw the conclusion that this is the same at every plant in the industry........

I have no experience with maintenance. However, it does seem to be a very reactive job, vice proactive.
Title: Re: Electrical Maintenance Supervisor at Nuke Plant
Post by: emnuke on Nov 05, 2007, 10:39
Yes--I have heard about Exelon-------Specifally I am trying to find out about average hrs/week for Electrical Supervisors at Riverbend (Entergy) or Beaver Valley (First Energy Corp) I am assuming 50-55/week for the entire year?? Anyone know anyone in Maintenance at either of these plants?? Thanks ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Electrical Maintenance Supervisor at Nuke Plant
Post by: Joe Ferguson on Nov 08, 2007, 02:04
Sorry- I have no contacts there.  You are right, you can expect about 50+/- hours per week as a supv in any discipline.  There is alot of admin duties before your crew gets to work and then again after they leave.  First in - last out, right?  The big 'E' is a little different than other utilities when it comes to their management style.  They don't just ask alot from their supv.'s - they demand it.  Generally, utilities are basically the same regardless of where you go.  Some utilities actually care about their employees, and others just say they do.
Title: Re: Electrical Maintenance Supervisor at Nuke Plant
Post by: s1wlightning@msn.com on Nov 08, 2007, 05:57
Well, I just got hired in as a Mechanical Maintenance First Line Supervisor at Exelon, and to tell you the truth, I couldn't love it more.  I actually enjoy waking up, at four in the morning, and going into work which is a first.  This is my first post Navy job and I was a six and out so shoveling horse crap for $10/hr would be better.  Honestly though, I couldn't imagine finding a better job, the pay is excellent and the people I work with are even better.  I have been doing it for a short time but I am really happy with the job.  I could see myself there for a long time to come.  Things that rotag said are true though, with the exception of the annual bonus incentive which I know for a fact is a lot more.  It all depends on how you take the negatives with the positive.  To some people the glass is half-full and to others the glass is half-empty, I guess you have witnessed the two ends of the spectrum.

-Adam
Title: Re: Electrical Maintenance Supervisor at Nuke Plant
Post by: Joe Ferguson on Nov 10, 2007, 03:33
I'm with ya Adam.  I'm sure your are going to do great there. 

Although, if you just hired on....................you haven't received that annual incentive bonus yet, have ya? (it'll happen around mid-February). 

Here's the thing......the Navy recruiter about 6 six years ago said 'you would travel the world' and 'have the experience of a life-time' too didn't he?  Just like the HR lady In Kennett Square or Cantera said 'you can make 15% of your base' per year in bonuses, right?

I appreciate your enthusiasum, but take the hook out of you're mouth, man.

I know at least 3 Maintenance Supervisors that also get up at 04:00 and made less than 2%/yr and no Maintenance Supervisors that made over 4.5%.

Knock em' dead,
rotag
Title: Re: Electrical Maintenance Supervisor at Nuke Plant
Post by: s1wlightning@msn.com on Nov 10, 2007, 10:28
You may be right, but to tell you the truth, I am getting paid a lot more the I expect right out of the navy and would have done it for quite a bit less.  It could depend though if your east or midwest.
Title: Re: Electrical Maintenance Supervisor at Nuke Plant
Post by: emnuke on Nov 10, 2007, 02:01
s1wlightning--I agree--anything seems better than the Navy--I did 20 years of the indentured servitude and I know how may hrs you can work-----but that is not the bench mark that I compare jobs against now as I once again have the rights of a civilian and am paid hourly as a Distribution System Operator.  I am trying to investigate and ascertain just how much an hour I will actually be making as a "salaried" worker.  I am not thinking about getting into management for the friggin title--I don't give a hoot.  Time is money as far as I am concerned and if I get less per hour for management than being an Operator--I don't want to be in Management. I will have 380 hrs overtime this year and with my bonus will make just about 100k. Dividing my total hrs in the year into total monetary compensation I averaged about $40/hr for the entire yr---------so if a company wants me to be a supervisor and including the outages and all the extra hrs I put in come out to like 3000 total hrs for the year( I believe it will be that much from what I have heard---definitely more than the 8 hrs extra a week I am putting in now)---they need to pay me total monetary compensation of 120k or greater for the year--if they don't they are asking me to volunteer hours for the company and/or are making promises of "well --you gotta pay your dues now to move up in management later"---ie we might as well be back in the Navy with promises of making Chief to put in all the insane extra hrs--and Homey don't play that game any more. I have heard Exleon treats its managers like crap--from many people--some of who have worked there, so I belive Rotag.  You may have different circumstances and hopefully the jobs I am looking at are more similar to yours than Rotags--because if not--Fuhgeetaboutit. So in conclusion--Does your total monetary compensation equal or exceed $40/hr for the entire year as a Maintenance Supervisor?  As I said--time is money.
Title: Re: Electrical Maintenance Supervisor at Nuke Plant
Post by: Kev3399 on Nov 10, 2007, 05:59
s1wlightning--I agree--anything seems better than the Navy--I did 20 years of the indentured servitude and I know how may hrs you can work-----but that is not the bench mark that I compare jobs against now as I once again have the rights of a civilian and am paid hourly as a Distribution System Operator.  I am trying to investigate and ascertain just how much an hour I will actually be making as a "salaried" worker.  I am not thinking about getting into management for the friggin title--I don't give a hoot.  Time is money as far as I am concerned and if I get less per hour for management than being an Operator--I don't want to be in Management. I will have 380 hrs overtime this year and with my bonus will make just about 100k. Dividing my total hrs in the year into total monetary compensation I averaged about $40/hr for the entire yr---------so if a company wants me to be a supervisor and including the outages and all the extra hrs I put in come out to like 3000 total hrs for the year( I believe it will be that much from what I have heard---definitely more than the 8 hrs extra a week I am putting in now)---they need to pay me total monetary compensation of 120k or greater for the year--if they don't they are asking me to volunteer hours for the company and/or are making promises of "well --you gotta pay your dues now to move up in management later"---ie we might as well be back in the Navy with promises of making Chief to put in all the insane extra hrs--and Homey don't play that game any more. I have heard Exleon treats its managers like crap--from many people--some of who have worked there, so I belive Rotag.  You may have different circumstances and hopefully the jobs I am looking at are more similar to yours than Rotags--because if not--Fuhgeetaboutit. So in conclusion--Does your total monetary compensation equal or exceed $40/hr for the entire year as a Maintenance Supervisor?  As I said--time is money.

Its hard to compare salary positions with hourly wage positions as you are trying to explain above. More often than not you will find that the dollars/hr of a supervisor doesn't quite add up to the regular dollars/hr of a worker/operator/technician. Thats unfortunate in some cases.

I'll give you my 100% opinion on the discussion.(ie, don't get mad.....just offering a viewpoint) Maybe you're not the best fit for a salary management position? If you're a Manager/Salary Supervisor......than the last thing you should be worried about is your dollars/hr for any given time period.(1 Day or 1 Year) You should be concerned with the overall big picture of the Dept or Company that you are working for. You should be side by side with the people who work for you, even if they are getting paid overtime or more than you. Be a supervisor who is there because you enjoy managing people/projects and thrive off of the responsibility required of you. Don't do it because you want to make more money or get more $$$ out of your hours at work.

Now, do I believe that supervisors should get paid less? No, its just unfortunate that salary positions can have that huge downside.
Title: Re: Electrical Maintenance Supervisor at Nuke Plant
Post by: Joe Ferguson on Nov 10, 2007, 10:31
Well said Kev3399.
A manager/supervisor makes the same decision a technician or mechanic makes. 
A good manager / supervisor takes that career course because he/she is a leader of men and derives satisfaction by being a coach and helping others succeed.  The other career path requires no leadership and limited thought.  Where ones destiny is decided by their stewards ability to regotiate. 

rotag
Title: Re: Electrical Maintenance Supervisor at Nuke Plant
Post by: Fermi2 on Nov 10, 2007, 10:40
Actually everyone here has good points. It all depends on what you want out of your job and life. Can't blame anyone for doing what makes them happy.

Mike
Title: Re: Electrical Maintenance Supervisor at Nuke Plant
Post by: Kev3399 on Nov 10, 2007, 11:17
Actually everyone here has good points. It all depends on what you want out of your job and life. Can't blame anyone for doing what makes them happy.

Outstanding emphasis I left out. Where do you want to end up in your career/life? Its a decision we all have to make, sometimes more than once. I tortured myself with indecision for almost 9 months on my decision to stay or exit the Navy.
Title: Re: Electrical Maintenance Supervisor at Nuke Plant
Post by: emnuke on Nov 23, 2007, 04:34
Its hard to compare salary positions with hourly wage positions as you are trying to explain above. More often than not you will find that the dollars/hr of a supervisor doesn't quite add up to the regular dollars/hr of a worker/operator/technician. Thats unfortunate in some cases.

I'll give you my 100% opinion on the discussion.(ie, don't get mad.....just offering a viewpoint) Maybe you're not the best fit for a salary management position? If you're a Manager/Salary Supervisor......than the last thing you should be worried about is your dollars/hr for any given time period.(1 Day or 1 Year) You should be concerned with the overall big picture of the Dept or Company that you are working for. You should be side by side with the people who work for you, even if they are getting paid overtime or more than you. Be a supervisor who is there because you enjoy managing people/projects and thrive off of the responsibility required of you. Don't do it because you want to make more money or get more $$$ out of your hours at work.

Now, do I believe that supervisors should get paid less? No, its just unfortunate that salary positions can have that huge downside.
I believe with increased responsibility and longer hours should come more money---of course you should be dedicated to the company--but if they don't pay you proportionally for your increased time and increased resposibility--they obviously are not so dedicated to you to the extent that they require of yourself--then what we have is a "cultish" atmosphere of "what you can do for your company is the most important thing that matters in your life". I am not so gullible to believe that money is not my main concern with employment, as with any private company---their net income is "their" main concern, with secondary concerns of employee morale to ensure productivity maintains high enough for this net income. Of course one could use the carrot theory and say "salaried personnel are working longer and harder than the hourly guys to get advanced and make more money than the hourly guys eventually with that huge salary and bonus", but I ask "Why doesn't the company pay proportionally more presently also? The reason why is pretty evident--the company wants to save money off people believing in the carrot theory. If you never get that carrot--which a huge amount of people don't---you get: a huge amount of additonal stress and hrs and the company gets: a labor cost savings.  Tomorrow never comes ;) ;)
Title: Re: Electrical Maintenance Supervisor at Nuke Plant
Post by: Kev3399 on Nov 23, 2007, 06:50
I believe with increased responsibility and longer hours should come more money---of course you should be dedicated to the company--but if they don't pay you proportionally for your increased time and increased resposibility--they obviously are not so dedicated to you to the extent that they require of yourself--then what we have is a "cultish" atmosphere of "what you can do for your company is the most important thing that matters in your life". I am not so gullible to believe that money is not my main concern with employment, as with any private company---their net income is "their" main concern, with secondary concerns of employee morale to ensure productivity maintains high enough for this net income. Of course one could use the carrot theory and say "salaried personnel are working longer and harder than the hourly guys to get advanced and make more money than the hourly guys eventually with that huge salary and bonus", but I ask "Why doesn't the company pay proportionally more presently also? The reason why is pretty evident--the company wants to save money off people believing in the carrot theory. If you never get that carrot--which a huge amount of people don't---you get: a huge amount of additonal stress and hrs and the company gets: a labor cost savings.  Tomorrow never comes ;) ;)

I agree to disagree with you. My head hurts now.......cults and carrots.  >:(

Best of luck to you in whatever you choose.

--anything seems better than the Navy--I did 20 years of the indentured servitude

Also, please don't spin military service with a term directly correlated to slavery and punishment. Like alot of people on this forum, I volunteered and served proudly. Thank you.
Title: Re: Electrical Maintenance Supervisor at Nuke Plant
Post by: Marlin on Nov 23, 2007, 07:19
Also, please don't spin military service with a term directly correlated to slavery and punishment. Like alot of people on this forum, I volunteered and served proudly. Thank you.

+ Karma  :)
Title: Re: Electrical Maintenance Supervisor at Nuke Plant
Post by: emnuke on Nov 23, 2007, 07:56
I agree to disagree with you. My head hurts now.......cults and carrots.  >:(

Best of luck to you in whatever you choose.

Also, please don't spin military service with a term directly correlated to slavery and punishment. Like alot of people on this forum, I volunteered and served proudly. Thank you.
Sorry Kev3399--in my experiences (probably not the same as yours since you don't have near as much time on the pond) it was "slightly" less than indentured servitude at many times--I don't believe semi-slavery is a word, so I used the closest word that defined it.
Title: Re: Electrical Maintenance Supervisor at Nuke Plant
Post by: Kev3399 on Nov 23, 2007, 08:46
Sorry Kev3399--in my experiences (probably not the same as yours since you don't have near as much time on the pond) it was "slightly" less than indentured servitude at many times--I don't believe semi-slavery is a word, so I used the closest word that defined it.

You're right, time on the pond isn't quite the phrase to describe the experiences of an ETC.

I support opinions and viewpoints though.   :)
Title: Re: Electrical Maintenance Supervisor at Nuke Plant
Post by: emnuke on Nov 23, 2007, 09:17
You're right, time on the pond isn't quite the phrase to describe the experiences of an ETC.

I support opinions and viewpoints though.   :)

Ahhh-"ETC" --that explains our difference in attitudes--I wasn't in the elite kahki fraternity, but only an E-6 who now enjoys no longer being taken advantage of by the likes of them (ie hourly pay) Good Luck ---As I believe you will now excel in the salaried, managerial-type environment that you so endeared. ;D ;D
Title: Re: Electrical Maintenance Supervisor at Nuke Plant
Post by: hamsamich on Nov 23, 2007, 09:26
the way alot of my chiefs and officers treated me and my blue comrades it WAS like indentured servitude.  the guy did his time, he can call it whatever he wants.  I served proudly as well, but that will never change the reality of my and alot of other blueshirt's position.  good for emnuke to tell it like it was for him.  everything is relative, just like whether or not any of you can enjoy the job of first line supervisor at most nuc plants, which in my opinion (I've never done it but seen many of them in pain, including 2 very close friends with GREAT POSITIVE  attitudes), sucks.  if given my choice of Technician or First line?  Technician by far.  If given my choice of 6 more years in the Nav or First Line at Commercial Nuke?  First Line by far.
Title: Re: Electrical Maintenance Supervisor at Nuke Plant
Post by: Kev3399 on Nov 23, 2007, 09:30
Ahhh-"ETC" --that explains our difference in attitudes--I wasn't in the elite kahki fraternity, but only an E-6 who now enjoys no longer being taken advantage of by the likes of them (ie hourly pay) Good Luck ---As I believe you will now excel in the salaried, managerial-type environment that you so endeared. ;D ;D
Well, we have digressed here. This isn't really beneficial to the original purpose of this thread. For that, I am equally at fault.

Shoot me a PM if you want to.
Title: Re: Electrical Maintenance Supervisor at Nuke Plant
Post by: NaVLI4 on Nov 23, 2007, 11:34
anything seems better than the Navy--I did 20 years of the indentured servitude and I know how may hrs you can work-----but that is not the bench mark that I compare jobs against now as I once again have the rights of a civilian and am paid hourly as a Distribution System Operator.  I am trying to investigate and ascertain just how much an hour I will actually be making as a "salaried" worker.  I am not thinking about getting into management for the friggin title--I don't give a hoot.  Time is money as far as I am concerned and if I get less per hour for management than being an Operator--I don't want to be in Management. I will have 380 hrs overtime this year and with my bonus will make just about 100k. Dividing my total hrs in the year into total monetary compensation I averaged about $40/hr for the entire yr---------so if a company wants me to be a supervisor and including the outages and all the extra hrs I put in come out to like 3000 total hrs for the year( I believe it will be that much from what I have heard---definitely more than the 8 hrs extra a week I am putting in now)---they need to pay me total monetary compensation of 120k or greater for the year--if they don't they are asking me to volunteer hours for the company and/or are making promises of "well --you gotta pay your dues now to move up in management later"---ie we might as well be back in the Navy with promises of making Chief to put in all the insane extra hrs--and Homey don't play that game any more. I have heard Exleon treats its managers like crap--from many people--some of who have worked there, so I belive Rotag.  You may have different circumstances and hopefully the jobs I am looking at are more similar to yours than Rotags--because if not--Fuhgeetaboutit. So in conclusion--Does your total monetary compensation equal or exceed $40/hr for the entire year as a Maintenance Supervisor?  As I said--time is money.

I've tried to boil down this thread.  In summary, emnuke, I think you said "I'm still pissed that I never made Chief and I don't want to be in management if it requires extra responsibility and accountability."
Time is money but that doesn't have anything to do with commitment and dedication or responsibility and accountability.
Title: Re: Electrical Maintenance Supervisor at Nuke Plant
Post by: hamsamich on Nov 23, 2007, 11:53
I think what he is saying is, i don't want to work for free or peanuts, just like some of us did in the Navy, just like some first-line supervisors do to a lesser degree.  He sent me a PM, and the PM also relayed this attitude.
Title: Re: Electrical Maintenance Supervisor at Nuke Plant
Post by: emnuke on Nov 24, 2007, 06:24
I've tried to boil down this thread.  In summary, emnuke, I think you said "I'm still pissed that I never made Chief and I don't want to be in management if it requires extra responsibility and accountability."
Time is money but that doesn't have anything to do with commitment and dedication or responsibility and accountability.
You don't boil very well NavLI4--I can handle the accountability and responsibility---I just can't handle not getting paid proportionally better for assuming more of it---ie salaried positions that don't pay commensurate with level of responsibility and stress.  I really couldn't give a sh@@ that I didn't make Chief--what is that another $250-$300 a month--big deal--The only Chiefs people know about now are from Indian tribes--I guess I can't wear  the coveted "ex-Navy Chief" cap now that I am retired though.
Title: Re: Electrical Maintenance Supervisor at Nuke Plant
Post by: NaVLI4 on Nov 24, 2007, 07:28
You don't boil very well NavLI4--I can handle the accountability and responsibility---I just can't handle not getting paid proportionally better for assuming more of it---ie salaried positions that don't pay commensurate with level of responsibility and stress.  I really couldn't give a sh@@ that I didn't make Chief--what is that another $250-$300 a month--big deal--The only Chiefs people know about now are from Indian tribes--I guess I can't wear  the coveted "ex-Navy Chief" cap now that I am retired though.

emnuke, you are exactly right!  I must admit that looking back over the thread and rereading your posts, I had you figured wrong.  There are all kinds of people in this world and thankfully they aren't all like me.  We have differences in opinions and different things make us tick.  I would like to offer this apologetic thread for attacking your personality based on what job you perform.  This is sincere.

Title: Re: Electrical Maintenance Supervisor at Nuke Plant
Post by: Fermi2 on Nov 24, 2007, 10:21
I never felt like an indentured servant when I was in the Navy. One cannot be indentured when one is a volunteer. I liked me time in the Navy, met some awesome people, did sime great things and overall the job was fun to boot.

So far as those under me making more money. Yeah I have to at times put in extra hours but it's rarely more than a day a month if that. In most months it ends up being a Monthy Shifrt Manager meeting which really occurs once every 5 weeks. It takes the average Union Guy about 35 to 40% more hours to make what I make. I don't really call that making more than I do.

About 80% of the time I'm in an Air Conditioned Work environment. The other 20% I'm out in the plant (Usually I get out even more, it depends on the shift, SMs at my current plant spend TOO much time in meetings). Even when I'm out I don't have to go into Containment, or wear Flash Arrest clothing to rack out breakers, or dress out, or go anyplace that's truly hot. There's a definite tradeoff. ( I do miss a lot of that though).

I like the responsibility and accountability and I really love being able to make decisions or do stuff that helps make the department and hopefully the site a better operating organization.

Mike
Title: Re: Electrical Maintenance Supervisor at Nuke Plant
Post by: ddklbl on Nov 24, 2007, 11:38
Quote from: emnuke
I can handle the accountability and responsibility---I just can't handle not getting paid proportionally better for assuming more of it

Then don't.

Maybe you’d be better off sticking with your current job.  It’s painfully obvious that you are looking out only for yourself.  I don’t think management, or first line, or whatever catch phrase we want to call what you aren’t is best for you or the company.   

Quote from: emnuke
I believe with increased responsibility and longer hours should come more money

That isn't true.  With increased responsibility and longer hours should come more reward.  Rewards are both tangible and intangible.  It could be an underlying culture of happiness or contentment.  How many of us have said while in the navy that we would take a pay cut to do a job that made us happy?  I personally like being challenged.  I like the responsibility.  I like the stresses I encounter daily.  If my job ever gets to the point that I feel these intangible benefits combined with monetary benefits don't adequately compensate me, then I will choose to find a new job. 

You served for 20 years in a job you obviously hated.  Why? I think you are the only one to blame for being gullible enough to follow that "carrot".  I chose to enlist.  I chose to re-enlist.  I chose to get out.  No carrots other than those I self imposed; but I just called those goals. 

Quote from: emnuke
Ahhh-"ETC" --that explains our difference in attitudes--I wasn't in the elite kahki fraternity, but only an E-6 who now enjoys no longer being taken advantage of by the likes of them (ie hourly pay) Good Luck ---As I believe you will now excel in the salaried, managerial-type environment that you so endeared.

You speak of military management (the goatlocker and wardroom) as if it were a nameless faceless conspiratorial group whose sole function was to oppress you.  Grow up and move on.  With an attitude like yours, it makes me wonder why you would want to be part of corporate management now. 
Title: Re: Electrical Maintenance Supervisor at Nuke Plant
Post by: emnuke on Nov 24, 2007, 01:04
Then don't.

  

That isn't true.  With increased responsibility and longer hours should come more reward.  Rewards are both tangible and intangible.  It could be an underlying culture of happiness or contentment.  How many of us have said while in the navy that we would take a pay cut to do a job that made us happy?  I personally like being challenged.  I like the responsibility.  I like the stresses I encounter daily.  If my job ever gets to the point that I feel these intangible benefits combined with monetary benefits don't adequately compensate me, then I will choose to find a new job. 

 
Thank you for the pyschological analyisis and critique of my character--I hope that you are blessed with longer hrs and more stress at work (not necessarily more pay) so that you will be happier with this intangible benefit. I leave my ego at the gym. You are right--I am probably better off as a greedy hourly worker who gets compensated with tangible monetary rewards which benefit my family also during extended work hrs.
Title: Re: Electrical Maintenance Supervisor at Nuke Plant
Post by: ddklbl on Nov 24, 2007, 02:12
Whenever you do test the waters again, good luck.  I hope you will be content with your endeavors.
Title: Re: Electrical Maintenance Supervisor at Nuke Plant
Post by: Kev3399 on Nov 24, 2007, 08:52
Thank you for the pyschological analyisis and critique of my character--I hope that you are blessed with longer hrs and more stress at work (not necessarily more pay) so that you will be happier with this intangible benefit. I leave my ego at the gym. You are right--I am probably better off as a greedy hourly worker who gets compensated with tangible monetary rewards which benefit my family also during extended work hrs.
Ahhh-"ETC" --that explains our difference in attitudes--I wasn't in the elite kahki fraternity, but only an E-6 who now enjoys no longer being taken advantage of by the likes of them (ie hourly pay) Good Luck ---As I believe you will now excel in the salaried, managerial-type environment that you so endeared. ;D ;D

Thanks for the stereotype and critique of my character based on a 3 letter acronym. I don't endear my past as much as you endear the bitterness of yours.

The only Chiefs people know about now are from Indian tribes--I guess I can't wear  the coveted "ex-Navy Chief" cap now that I am retired though.

I'll say please one more time.......Please quit stepping on military service and those who are proud of what they accomplished.

I like the responsibility and accountability and I really love being able to make decisions or do stuff that helps make the department and hopefully the site a better operating organization.

Mike

Well said Broadzilla.

Whenever you do test the waters again, good luck.  I hope you will be content with your endeavors.

Best of luck to you in whatever you do.
Title: Re: Electrical Maintenance Supervisor at Nuke Plant
Post by: Rad Sponge on Nov 24, 2007, 09:40
Please bring this thread back on topic.

We are discussing the pros and cons of nuclear supervision in regards to pay, hours, etc.

Title: Re: Electrical Maintenance Supervisor at Nuke Plant
Post by: S3GLMS on Nov 26, 2007, 10:29
     I took a position as a first line maintenance supervisor at TVA when I left the Navy.  What I read from most of the previous threads covers almost all of the good and bad for the job.  The heart of the matter is that you will be making a lot of important decisions right away about how to keep the plant online, Tech specs and LCO's.  You will also need to learn how to work with your team and earn their respect.  As a supervisior in a commercial plant a lot of the trades are die hard union and they frown upon salary staff (apparently a lot of pevious bad history).  The only way to get them to really work with you is to prove you respect their work and show knowledge and flexibility in getting them through their schedules.  This means a lot of sacrifice for the supervisor to earn points with the crew. 
     This being said if you really want day shift work and are interested in reactive schedules and a lot of unpaid overtime when the equipment is not performing than you should be able to handle it.  You will only make about 70% of what the SRO's and Shift managers make so understand your not going to be at the top of the heap for bonuses either.  You will have the opportunity to do other salary jobs at some point in your career which may interest you and that is what I saw for most of my time in Maintenance.  The only long serving frontline supervisors were former technicians trying to complete their last years of service at a higher base pay rate for a better retirement package.  One thing that you can not control will be the nature of the union issues in the plant and the number of senior salary manager changes that will occur and they all can make your life difficult.
     If you do well at the job people will treat you with respect and will try to help you get your job done, especially in the control room when you need to get hold orders hung and work packages reviewed.  It definitely is not an 8-4 punch the clock type of job.
Title: Re: Electrical Maintenance Supervisor at Nuke Plant
Post by: DSO on Dec 03, 2007, 03:13
How was the 2nd Line Supervisor's job in comparison--same reactiveness etc??
Title: Re: Electrical Maintenance Supervisor at Nuke Plant
Post by: S3GLMS on Dec 03, 2007, 04:06
     I was the maintenance shop coordinator/manager ( second Line supervisor) my last year in maintenance.  The major difference in the job is the amount of time spent preparing work schedules for daily work as well as the outage scope planning.  You attend the 13 week schedule planning meetings and develop the work scope for your area of maintenance.  You would get to fill in for the maintenance manger when they are on vacation and perform senior management roles.  You are held responsible for the overall daily and monthly work completion performance and budget.  You would spend a lot more time on personnel issues such as the staff evaluations and the union grievances. 
     As a salary maintenance person with some experience I was also a member of the Site emergency team in the TSC for Instrumentation issues.  This was a 1 week on and 3 week off assignment.  No alchohol allowed during that week, and must be able to report to site within 45 minutes at all times of the week.  With other staff members taking vacations or taking other positions in the company would sometimes for a month in a row lock you into an emergency response position and you could not do anything but put up with it because there was no one else qualified to fill the slot.
     One of the other salary shop managers was offered SRO certification training and if I had stayed I would have eventually been offered the same training.  So over all, if you can work through the first line experience and prove yourself then you may find the job a really good career path to something you never even thought was possible.  Just be prepared to make the sacrifices that the management asks you to perform and you will become valuable to their success, and they will recognize you.  As a maintnence person in a commercial plant I felt it was a third rate status.  Everyone treated me like a technician not as an engineer or a valued leader, just a task master for the plant.  It takes a lot of time and hard work to change those impressions in a commercial plant.  Overall, it is a good job and it is a tough job as far as stress level is concerned, it is just not for everyone.  If you like a challenge then you are on the right track, especially in a dual unit plant with refuel outages every 9 months. I hope this gives you more insight.
Title: starting pay for maintenance supervisor @ nuke plant?? (TVA)
Post by: rwendell on Jan 11, 2008, 09:11
I've been trying to find what to expect as a maintenance supervisor, so if I get a job offer, I will know what to work toward.  I'm trying to get on at Brown's Ferry, and can't find the salary for similar positions anywhere. 

Also, if there is anyone who is in this position, can I get some info about the job to help me make a decision if I even want it?

Title: Re: starting pay for maintenance supervisor @ nuke plant?? (TVA)
Post by: Fermi2 on Jan 11, 2008, 09:15
There's actually a thread about Maintenance Supervisors that already answers your question. Given you want to be a supervisor I bet it'd be a great research project to find the thread similar to projects you'd be expected to do at BFN.

Mike
Title: Re: starting pay for maintenance supervisor @ nuke plant?? (TVA)
Post by: S3GLMS on Jan 17, 2008, 11:14
     I can give you some idea based on my experience as a maintenance supervisor for TVA.  The Maintenance supervisor pay was based in 3 areas Electrical, Mechanical and Instrumentation.  The average for a general foreman (PG-7) was in the 65 to 75K per year range.  Now the initial offer was typically low range based on previous experience and education level.  The top of the scale was around 92K per year but that required several years of experience and taking on additional requirements such as completing INPO certification as a nuclear maintenance supervisor and certain management training courses as well as progressive skill development as a manager.  I initially interviewed to be a mechanical supervisor, as I was an MM in the Navy, but they needed an instrument supervisor and it payed more starting salary.  I had some electrical design classes in college so I was not clueless, and I had done basic switch and trip pont cals as an EWS.  I stayed with them for about three years and progressed to the I&C Shop manager role as well as filling in for the site maintenance manager whenever he was out of office.  There were corporate bonuses at year end and they were about 4% to 8% of my salary each year provided all of the goals had been met.  I also received a salary increase( 12K raise) to near top of range after 2 years.  This information is several years old now but it should be relatively accurate.  Expect a low offer initially but you will be compensated to the normal band quickly if you prove your worth.  They have a really heavy union issue there and it makes it hard to meet some of the efficiency goals so don't let that get in the way of trying to get a good job.
Title: Maintenance Supervision and Schedule Manager
Post by: KilroyUSN on Feb 07, 2008, 11:11
I have about 4 years left in the navy, I have my Bachelors Degree in Nuclear Engineering.
I am currently and have been for a few patrols now, the Work Center Supervisor for Electical Division as well as the 3M Assistant for Engineering Department.
I really enjoy scheduling maintenance and making sure the paperwork aspect and the physical aspect are completed on time and the right way all the time.
I would love to get out of the navy and do the same line of work but have no idea what it would roughly pay, or even what they label it as in a civilian plant.
I am not a big fan of standing watch dont really like the idea of shift work but obviously those can be changed depending on if I like my job.
I will have 9 years in the navy when I get out, if anyone has any idea what job(s) I should be looking at and any information on how the job works in the civilian world and roughly how much it pays, and also anything I should make sure I get done prior to getting out of the navy. I would be forever gratefull.
Thank you.
EM2(SS) Zachary Collver
Title: Re: Maintenance Supervision and Schedule Manager
Post by: ddklbl on Feb 07, 2008, 11:52
     I can give you some idea based on my experience as a maintenance supervisor for TVA.  The Maintenance supervisor pay was based in 3 areas Electrical, Mechanical and Instrumentation.  The average for a general foreman (PG-7) was in the 65 to 75K per year range.  Now the initial offer was typically low range based on previous experience and education level.  The top of the scale was around 92K per year but that required several years of experience and taking on additional requirements such as completing INPO certification as a nuclear maintenance supervisor and certain management training courses as well as progressive skill development as a manager.  I initially interviewed to be a mechanical supervisor, as I was an MM in the Navy, but they needed an instrument supervisor and it payed more starting salary.  I had some electrical design classes in college so I was not clueless, and I had done basic switch and trip pont cals as an EWS.  I stayed with them for about three years and progressed to the I&C Shop manager role as well as filling in for the site maintenance manager whenever he was out of office.  There were corporate bonuses at year end and they were about 4% to 8% of my salary each year provided all of the goals had been met.  I also received a salary increase( 12K raise) to near top of range after 2 years.  This information is several years old now but it should be relatively accurate.  Expect a low offer initially but you will be compensated to the normal band quickly if you prove your worth.  They have a really heavy union issue there and it makes it hard to meet some of the efficiency goals so don't let that get in the way of trying to get a good job.

This is a relatively decent post in another thread.  Read through the rest of it here (http://www.nukeworker.com/forum/index.php/topic,11881.0.html).  Any more specific, different questions, I am sure someone can chime in.