ok so i got caught with pot on a piss test.... now what do i do? do i still have potential in the civilian nuke field? thanks guys.
ok so i got caught with pot on a piss test.... now what do i do? do i still have potential in the civilian nuke field? thanks guys.
Go home, tell Mom and Dad why you got kicked out. Find someone who will hire someone with a dishonorable discharge...perhaps the local quickie-mart or gas station. As was made clear many times, we have no tolerance for those that use. :-[ :'(
look i know i messed up. i just need serious job advice, not judgement.
look i know i messed up. i just need serious job advice, not judgement.
Why does he need rehab? Pot is not addictive.
Why does he need rehab? Pot is not addictive.
What is the Navys deal on this? Army was 45 days restriction 45 days extra duty, 2/3 pay for 2 months and reduction in rank for E5 and below. Above was automatic discharge.
The commercial nuclear industry is not some garbage bin that accepts people who "weren't quite good enough for the navy". It has the same high standards for its operators. If jong1239 chose to smoke pot in the navy AFTER BEING TOLD AGAIN AND AGAIN THE CONSEQUENCES then I have little sympathy for him.
What is the Navys deal on this? Army was 45 days restriction 45 days extra duty, 2/3 pay for 2 months and reduction in rank for E5 and below. Above was automatic discharge. If they let you stay in shape up and do your time and do not be ignorant anymore. Go to the rehab. You can still get a honorable discharge if this is the case. If you own up to it for DOE jobs and Nuke Plant you MAY get a pass if you show your rehab and admit your stupidity. Both will ask if you have been punished by Captains Mast or Article 15, You will have to own up to it.
As for the OTH being changed to an Honorable, I have always heard that it will take a few attempts before they rule in favor. I guess they want to see if you are off the weed and are motivated enough to keep trying.
look i know i messed up. i just need serious job advice, not judgement.
... but the head officer over the program overruled them...
This industry is going to grow and it is going to be hurting for qualified people to run the plants in the very near future.
Would I encourage this guy to get cleaned up, get a Bachelor's and come back in about 5 years and try to get in, no. Sorry bro, but even my Dean said on the way to the classroom for civilian nuke, "If you fail a drug test, your career is over." I'm not gonna name names, but there were people in my class, and the one ahead of me, that had not so clean pasts. Everyone had already been cleaned up and were moving on when it came to nuke. I'm sorry man, but I would advise you going into Chemical engineering, something like that. Try to keep from getting a discharge, good luck.
Look, most people around here don't give pats on the head and we are all out of warm fuzzies to hand out.
That being said, the first thing you have to figure out is why on earth you decided to light up in the first place, especially considering you know full well what the consequences would be and that you would eventually get tested. When you figure out the answer to that question, then you can start figuring out what to do afterwards. I don't know about the requirements at commercial plants as far as security clearances or if a drug discharge affects that or not, but I can guarantee that there are not a lot of nuclear related jobs that are going to look casually upon that sort of thing.
Bottom line is, you knew the risk and you took it, and broke a major rule of engagement. You engaged in an activity that is illegal(despite what the current administration thinks of it) and you are going live with that choice. You came here for advice, you got some advice, and you got a lot of deserved flak for what you did. Now you can either get over it and move on, get your feelings hurt and leave, or something in between.
First off, using marijuana is not illegal. Only the possession of marijuana is illegal. This does not mean there are not consequences for using marijuana, just no legal ones. But anyways as everyone has said you knew the consequences and still decided to use. While marijuana is not addictive itself, rehab might still be a good idea to show any future employers that you have at least taken the steps to quit. Whether you actually do or not they won't know unless they can randomly drug test you as well.
How is having a J.D. necessary for this comment?
While marijuana is not addictive itself, rehab might still be a good idea to show any future employers that you have at least taken the steps to quit. Whether you actually do or not they won't know unless they can randomly drug test you as well.Is this the reward we get for trying to help you into Nuclear Power? You're going to give advice to your "peers" on how to circumvent the system and get into Nuclear as a drug user?
First off, using marijuana is not illegal. Only the possession of marijuana is illegal. This does not mean there are not consequences for using marijuana, just no legal ones. But anyways as everyone has said you knew the consequences and still decided to use. While marijuana is not addictive itself, rehab might still be a good idea to show any future employers that you have at least taken the steps to quit. Whether you actually do or not they won't know unless they can randomly drug test you as well.
ok so i got caught with pot on a piss test.... now what do i do? do i still have potential in the civilian nuke field? thanks guys.
I was actually responding to someone else who implied that using marijuana is illegal which it is not. I personally do not care if someone uses pot, me myself I do not use it but who am I to say that someone else can't. All I'm saying is if you at least go to rehab you are showing potential employers that you are trying to quit something even if it's not addictive in nature and may help you more than if you didn't go to rehab. Whether someone actually quits is up to him and what he does in his own time but one should know that if you do not quit and you do get hired that you can always be tested again by some other employer. I was not trying to imply that yeah go to rehab so you can get hired and then not quit using. So if ya'll misunderstood me then I'm sorry.
I was actually responding to someone else who implied that using marijuana is illegal which it is not.
I never said I was a NUKE. Just someone interested in going into the nuclear field.
Nobody owes anybody a fair warning in this economy.
You guys are too kind to the stupid.
Where were you when my buddy got a DUI (or something similar) for merely having pot in his system? Where were you for another friend whose license remains revoked after 5 years, his lawyer telling him that maybe going to rehab didn't look so good for his case? You see, here in the real (nuclear) world, we don't speak on things we think we know about. Ask a real nuke a question and he'll answer it directly and provide reference. You just spew philosophical crap without basis.
You guys are too kind to the stupid.There are people that can make strong arguments that it is stupid to abstain from certain drugs, and it doesn't preclude people from employment everywhere. Philosophical discussion for another time, but just throwing that out there.
There are people that can make strong arguments that it is stupid to abstain from certain drugs, and it doesn't preclude people from employment everywhere. Philosophical discussion for another time, but just throwing that out there.No one tolerates it....when they find them. That seems to be the tricky part sometimes...for everyone.
However, there are certain professions that will not tolerate drug use. Military is one of those professions.
That's simply not true.Which part? The point of this thread has illustrated that when flushed out of the NNPP, Commercial Nuclear is not a consolation prize. They can go research the "letter of the law" all they want, but the bottom line is that no one HAS to hire a drug user that was terminated for cause.
The policies are varied, but illicit drug dependent employees can save their jobs by use of such programs.This is in the vast unknown category of case-by-case "maybes". As a nuke, self-confession is always the right answer for a variety of scenarios. However, I think the fundamental message for nukeworkers and all lurkers is that if you do drugs in the nuclear industry (military or commercial) then: 1) you're going to get caught, and 2) your nuclear career is done. Hence, these threads are useless for the OP since we don't know the whole story and we're not in the review chain for his/her substance abuse issue.
Even Wal-Mart drug tests. Just saying...
I'm illustrating there is not an absolute on this drug use by a nuclear employee debate.I try to avoid the drug and security clearance related threads altogether. There's no point in anyone posting/responding really since it's all case-by-case. I've coached myself for violating my own rule this time...
As for drug testing, there are always ways around drug tests so you may not necessarily get caught as long as you know what you are doing.
The 35 dollar field test kit, maybe. The gas chromatigraph tells no lies.
Instead of dwelling on how-to-maybe-beat-a-piss test , howzabout focusing on planning a future success in Nuclear? ;)
I have no need to beat a test as I personally do not use any drugs as I have stated. But that doesn't mean that I don't have alot of friends who do use marijuana.
LOL Eh well if the Navy is gonna disqualify me because I have friends who smoke pot then so be it. It's kind of unfair and utterly ridiculous in my opinion but oh well. I've never had any trouble with the law other than traffic tickets like anyone else. Oh and I got a suspended license because I missed my court date by one day once but I paid the ticket as soon as I realised I had missed my court date and then got my license straightened out so I'm no longer on a suspended license. Will that possibly disqualify me?
LOL Eh well if the Navy is gonna disqualify me because I have friends who smoke pot then so be it. It's kind of unfair and utterly ridiculous in my opinion but oh well. I've never had any trouble with the law other than traffic tickets like anyone else. Oh and I got a suspended license because I missed my court date by one day once but I paid the ticket as soon as I realised I had missed my court date and then got my license straightened out so I'm no longer on a suspended license. Will that possibly disqualify me?
Who I hang out with outside of work should be no one's concern but mine and certainly should not disqualify me from a job if I had the credentials.
And they do check out your friends and your family. My ex-husband went to hell and back to get his clearance because one of his former roommates had a drug paraphernalia charge on his record.They weren't investigating his friends, they were investigating your ex-husband's assertion that he had nothing to do with drugs, yet had friends that did.
I just know with no doubt that rest assured, some lurker out there reading this has the job of finding out for sure in some cases and is reinvigorated to do his/her job just as thoroughly as ever in the year 2010. To that person I say: "Thank you for YOUR service to our Country".
Had E4 I stook up for....Here's a story:
When I was an LPO on the boat, I had a young sailor who got through his initial investigation, but on his reinvestigation a few years later, those "things" he thought he got away with came back and escorted him off the boat.
Anyway, jabone may be misguided in thinking people can beat drug tests, or that who he associates with doesn't matter, but honestly, he will get his clearance if what he says about himself is true, I would bet a pay check or two on it. We (you) can pontificate all you want about why he may be a douche bag (I am not saying he is), but it is all a little over dramatic I think. My dad smoked the weed most of his life, as well as my brother and sister and many friends, but I never touched it. I never had an issue. Just sayin.
PS
I also had a license suspension, among other things, due to youthful indiscretions when I was a minor. Still got my clearance.
Ya'll can bet your paychecks all you want about whether I do drugs or not. I have admitted that I have friends who smoke pot but that does not mean that I do however. I really don't care at all whether you believe me, I know what is true and that's all that matters. I don't know what the big deal about marijuana is really is all I'm saying. People act like it is the worse thing someone could be doing when alcohol is 10 times worse. How many people do you hear about smoking weed and then getting in a car and killing someone or a family. You never hear anything like that in the news at least not a regular basis. The same however cannot be said for alcohol. So many people get drunk and then drive and end up killing someone yet we act like smoking pot is much much worse. Give me a break.
While at the same time still calling me a liar by assuming that you'd bet your paycheck on whether I'm telling the truth. I understand you were trying to give me a break, most of that was meant for the other guys who think that pot is such a terrible thing. I only quoted you for the first sentence that I wrote. The rest was meant for everyone else.
It never harmed no one as far as I know at least. Not as much as alcohol that is. But that is a different debate.
Yes, the security community is overworked, but they don't give up.
So, our young philosopher may be telling the truth on his drug use...maybe not. It's not my job nor desire to intervene. I just know with no doubt that rest assured, some lurker out there reading this has the job of finding out for sure in some cases and is reinvigorated to do his/her job just as thoroughly as ever in the year 2010. To that person I say: "Thank you for YOUR service to our Country".
I don't think you would be picked for the debate team--you're not sure what you think.
It never... because you don't know about it. Then you acknowledge it may have hurt people, but not as much as alcohol.
By your logic: Ted Bundy wasn't a bad person; well, not as bad as Adolph Hitler.
What you do admit in your posts is that you have no problem choosing to associate with known law breakers, which speaks volumes about your character.
Before you break out your rationale about the difference in degrees of harm comparing murder to pot, remember that breaking the law, however slight in your mind, is still breaking the law.
If you cannot have integrity on what some may perceive as little, small, or minor things, how can you be trusted to have integrity on larger, greater, or major issues? In the long run, you don't get to decide which laws apply to you and which don't.
And everyone breaks the law everyday by speeding but hey no one gives a crap. Yeah sure it's breaking the law but there are worse things to break than others and I think smoking pot isn't that bad even though I personally choose not to do so. Do I think it should be legal, yes I do but it's not so it doesn't matter. That's just my personal belief.
In the long run, you don't get to decide which laws apply to you and which don't.
You might want to reconsider your use of "everyone" and "no one."
You might want to reconsider your use of "everyone" and "no one."
How many people honestly care about speeding when driving? And honestly you could not name me one person who has never sped in their life or broken some kind of law in their life. EVERYONE has broken at least one law at some point in their lives whether intentional or unintentional.State Troopers, Sheriffs, Highway Patrols, etc. They all care. In fact, they're employed because of our faulty human condition you describe. Have you ever been going down the highway at 5+ MPH over the limit and pass a trooper, who then pulls out behind you? That sinking feeling you get as you know for sure he's after you? (Yep, raising my hand too). Well, as a Nuclear Professional, if you get that feeling at work than you have crossed the line and your job is in jeopardy. And since the supervisor:worker ratio is not 1:1, the nuclear industry expects a tremendous amount of professional maturity, self-control, and self-discipline. If you make a mistake (e.g., bump a circuit breaker open) you are expected to immediately "confess". Given that tidbit of information, can you understand why people here get excited when you get on your soap box and talk about "breaking rules in society?" We're not in the mainstream society in this business, we're operating a very unforgiving technology. Go Google TMI and Chernobyl.