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Career Path => Navy Nuke => Topic started by: Brynn on Jul 15, 2009, 04:35
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i took the asvab and scored an 87 but i havent gotten back my specific scores yet. i havent taken the nuke test yet and i havent had any math above algebra 2 and i havent had physics yet either. i have had chemistry though and i am a very quick learner. my recruiter said that he thinks that i have a good chance of getting into the program. i was hoping to get a second opinion maybe. And im a girl so i was wondering if that would make it more or less likely to get into the program because i heard that the navy was looking for girls with high asvab scores...
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I don't think there is an official policy that says that females have lower standards academically for entrance into the nuke program. When I got in 10+ years ago, I didn't have anything above Algebra 2, but I did have physics, and I didn't have any real academic problems getting through the program. In the grand scheme of things, if you get into the program, the Navy will reteach you everything how they want you to learn it. Worse case is that you are required to take the NFQT(or whatever it is called now) which will cover a lot of science related course work such as Chemistry and physics. Good luck and keep us posted.
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i took the asvab and scored an 87 but i havent gotten back my specific scores yet. i havent taken the nuke test yet and i havent had any math above algebra 2 and i havent had physics yet either. i have had chemistry though and i am a very quick learner. my recruiter said that he thinks that i have a good chance of getting into the program. i was hoping to get a second opinion maybe. And im a girl so i was wondering if that would make it more or less likely to get into the program because i heard that the navy was looking for girls with high asvab scores...
Depending on your line scores, you might need to take nfqt. It really wasn't hard and I haven't had any math or physics in four years. If you do get in, expect to have a long period before you even ship to basic. I signed in April and don't leave until April 2010. The only difference of your gender mattering is that you will have a longer wait. I had three guys sign after me and all leave way before me.
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And im a girl so i was wondering if that would make it more or less likely to get into the program because i heard that the navy was looking for girls with high asvab scores...
I guess qualified males with high ASVAB scores need not apply huh? Nope, not you guys we gotta fill our opposite gendered quotas. Check back with us in a year or so,,,give me a break. Sadly, it's probably true and therefore the most qualified applicants sometimes will not make it into this program because we have to discriminate to fill female and minority quotas. I have an idea, lets put the most qualified individuals (regardless of race or gender) into these very important billets instead of the most politically correct. Maybe, just maybe we can fix this sad and broken program before it's too late(yep I said it).
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If you do get in, expect to have a long period before you even ship to basic. I signed in April and don't leave until April 2010. The only difference of your gender mattering is that you will have a longer wait. I had three guys sign after me and all leave way before me.
I went to meps in June. While I was there the only availability for females was in may 2010. Literally, as I was signing my papers, a phone call came in and a new spot opened. Before the counselour could jump out of his chair and take it, it was gone right before my eyes to someone in some other state. Then I got put first in line for any open spots in my region. Woudn't you know it, 2 weeks after signing my papers, a spot opened in August. So, if you request to go ASAP, (I really wanted in before I needed an age waiver), you can get called to leave as soon as a spot for a female opens. Crossing my fingers as I say this because I take all necessary precaution against it, but spots for females open because of pregnancy before they ship out, so a spot can open any time. Just a word of wisdom to guys and girls alike in a relationship, learned from experience a couple years ago:
The Pill + antibiotics + hanky panky = BABY.
I ASSUMED that my pharmacist, while he was filling my prescription, should have told me that my antibiotic would interfere with the Pill that I was also refilling at the same time. Nope. I wonder sometimes, had this been a Nitroglycerine and viagra being prescribed, someonce could have DIED if the man were not warned about the possible interactions.
I guess it evens itself out, for every man on viagra and nitro out there that dies, there is a woman on the pill and antibiotics, soon to give birth.
Wow, a little off topic there.
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I guess qualified males with high ASVAB scores need not apply huh? Nope, not you guys we gotta fill our opposite gendered quotas. Check back with us in a year or so,,,give me a break. Sadly, it's probably true and therefore the most qualified applicants sometimes will not make it into this program because we have to discriminate to fill female and minority quotas. I have an idea, lets put the most qualified individuals (regardless of race or gender) into these very important billets instead of the most politically correct. Maybe, just maybe we can fix this sad and broken program before it's too late(yep I said it).
Actually, not very many females apply anyway, I believe only about 10 percent of nukes are female. AND we have to meet the same standards as our MALE counterparts to even be eligible. Plus, we have limited seats due to training availability, so those of us who are selected have just as high a caliber education, background and potential if not better. Girls that are interested in math, science and mechanics and do perform well in these subjects have the aptitude to succeed and have a solid career. I'm not about to go burn my bra or anything, but I know that I am as capable as a man to LEARN and PERFORM the job I am assigned to.
It's the military, they are not an equal opportunity employer, they have the right to decline you for a job based on ethnicity (if you are related to someone from the middle east, I bet you have a hard time getting a security clearance), gender (how many females do you see in the army's infantry), sexual preference (Before I swore in, I had to read a full page disclosure, half of which pertained to the forbidden fruit of homosexuality) and even disability (if you are missing any body part, bound to a wheelchair, or mentally ill, you are dq'd). SOOO, I guess my point is that they (the Navy) is already filling its billets with the most qualified. There is no such thing as gender/race quota. Come on, its the fricking government, they don't have to follow the rules they established for the rest of the country.
BUT, there is always the possibility that the standards in general for acceptance into the program have dropped in order to fill the quota because there are not enough top notch young candidates that are willing to work when they can live at home with mom and dad til they're 30. That and the whole "giving yourself for your country" bit is a thing of the past. Kids are more concerned with downloading S&@# on their iPods and slacking through college. Plus, they really like their jobs as baristas at Starbucks, since it is so much classier than McD's.
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Plus, they really like their jobs as baristas at Starbucks, since it is so much classier than McD's.
But McD's has those wonderful chocolatey M's on the topping! +k to ya!
(http://www.mcfun.com/img/mccafe/mccafe_coffees.jpg)
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The Pill + antibiotics + hanky panky = BABY.
Yup, my first happened this way.... at age 43 for me.... :o
I ASSUMED that my pharmacist, while he was filling my prescription, should have told me that my antibiotic would interfere with the Pill that I was also refilling at the same time. Nope. I wonder sometimes, had this been a Nitroglycerine and viagra being prescribed, someonce could have DIED if the man were not warned about the possible interactions.
They don't give men the warning, because we don't care what happens as long as we get...... ;)
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" And im a girl so "
No girls are accepted by the Navy, but many women serve proudly. Good luck to you, young lady. 8)
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Oh! I must disagree. The Navy takes ONLY girls and boys -- but expects them to make the transition almost instantly. The aim is to get them while their minds are still malleable, their bodies still strong, and their attitudes still eager and un-jaded.
Unfortunately, this establishes the situation where we old farts quickly tire of their posts -- full of wide-eyed optimism, unbounded enthusiasm, and confidence that is so untested that it comes out as cockiness,
Ah! the exuberance of youth! It's a necessary part of human development, but it incites our jealousy, does it not?
Yes, Brynn is still a girl. She'll be a woman before she knows it. Either is appropriate at her age. But please, please, oh please, child, do not ever dehumanize yourself to the point where you begin to refer to yourself as a "female".
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Sorry, I always have my old english teacher's mantra going through my head that if you are going to use a word in a paragraph, please do not repeat the same word more than 3 times if there are synonyms that can make it sound less repetitive.
Didn't mean to dehumanize myself or anything. hhahaha!
just a creature of habit.
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That was not directed at you specifically. I'll inject a little anecdote here.
About two years after I got out of the Navy, I attended the wedding of my best high-school buddy, who had recently left the Army. At the reception, my girlfriend (now my wife) and I were seated at the table with all of Davey's Army pals. I didn't hear most of the conversations, but caught a phrase here and there. At some point, my lovely one nudged me, nodding toward an attractive young woman who had been seated across the table from us, and said, "Did you know she was in the Army too?" To which I replied that I did know that. She asked me how I knew. I told her that at one point, I had heard her refer to herself as a "female", and that a civilian would have referred to herself as a "woman". This little bit of heightened perception amazed my dear one, but it was simple to me. After years of hearing my shipmates and myself called "men", while every woman in uniform was called a "female", I had divined a great disparity that irks me to this day. (At this point, I should mention that my eldest daughter is a Staff Sergeant in the US Army, and -- though I will always think of her as my little girl -- she has certainly earned the distinction of being called a woman.)
It is a prejudice that may seem subtle to most, but rings loudly in my ears. The disdain that is shown for women who serve in the military is the product of the fragile egos of men. In my time, we still called women sailors "WAVES" although that had been an obsolete designation for many years. Even our classmates and instructors, who were in the last class to graduate women from NPS for over a decade, did not seem to deserve the respect that they had earned alongside us, and were called WAVES or females -- never women. It seems that we couldn't grasp the reality that these people were our equals in any way.
The Navy itself did not help matters, and appears to be still behind if your previous post is any indication. They would not assign women to the same duties as men, leaving shore and sub-tender billets clogged with women and making it practically impossible for men with less than eight years of active duty to get the hell off of submarines. This bogged down retention (who wants to re-enlist when it only means two more years on a fast attack?) and bred resentment among the men.
The reality is that the limits placed on assigning women to warships, including the still-standing prohibition against women on submarines, has nothing to do with the capabilities of women but the shortcomings of the men who serve on them. It's a dilemma that may never be resolved -- the military relies on young, healthy people to do very difficult jobs, but that youth and vigor comes only at a time of life when young men are at the height of their sexual appetites and being deprived of the means to satisfy them. The navy also requires the leadership of older, well-seasoned leaders. But they can become too protective of young women in their charge.
In the end, the randiness of young sailors and the protective instinct of older ones results in women being a distraction to them that could prove to be dangerous. You are correct in observing that the Navy discriminates against certain people, women, certain ethnic groups, and the disabled. They do and they will because they have to. Perhaps, one day someone will come up with a way to protect the sailors from their own instincts, but until then the disparity that exists is a necessary evil.
My point?
Do not allow the limitations that are placed on you because of your sex to convince you that you are less worthy or less qualified for a job that you can certainly do as well as a man. They exist, not because you and other women are of limited ability, but because your presence limits the ability of men. Treat yourself with the respect you deserve, or you will NEVER get it from anyone else. Start by saying "woman" instead of "female".
P.S. Sorry about the long-winded post. I got on my soap box again and couldn't get off.
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Okydoky. That seems simple enough. I am a woman. There, I said it. I think the end should come to this thread sometime or another...as I believe we have covered WAY more information than the poster originally wanted. And I can percieve many interpretations from many readers will lead to many more opinions. I feel no need to further protect my WOMANness...at this given moment. It is giving me a headache. What a typical thing a woman would say.
JUST SO YOU KNOW, I AM JUST KIDDING. NO DIGS INTENDED. Please, no one take any offense. This is too much. hahaha!
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Okydoky. That seems simple enough. I am a woman. There, I said it. I think the end should come to this thread sometime or another...as I believe we have covered WAY more information than the poster originally wanted. And I can percieve many interpretations from many readers will lead to many more opinions. I feel no need to further protect my WOMANness...at this given moment. It is giving me a headache. What a typical thing a woman would say.
JUST SO YOU KNOW, I AM JUST KIDDING. NO DIGS INTENDED. Please, no one take any offense. This is too much. hahaha!
You forgot the next line of "Hear me roar". Ok just kidding.
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The extra school helps, but the Navy is going to teach you their way!
I failed NPS math and still made it through in the upper half of the class. I don't recommend this option!
Basically if you have a good head on your shoulders (it sounds like You do) and study the way they teach you to (yes, they teach you the Navy way), asking for help when you need it. You have a very high likelyhood of making it.
If you make it through it opens many doors for you later in life.
Good Luck
Class 8207 NPS Orlando FL
MM1/SS/ELT
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Although the originator of this post may think it is finished, I need to tell BeerCourt that I appreciate all the wisdom and truth crammed into his necessarily long soap box speech. I love wisdom. 8)
That was not directed at you specifically. I'll inject a little anecdote here.
About two years after I got out of the Navy, I attended the wedding of my best high-school buddy, who had recently left the Army. At the reception, my girlfriend (now my wife) and I were seated at the table with all of Davey's Army pals. I didn't hear most of the conversations, but caught a phrase here and there. At some point, my lovely one nudged me, nodding toward an attractive young woman who had been seated across the table from us, and said, "Did you know she was in the Army too?" To which I replied that I did know that. She asked me how I knew. I told her that at one point, I had heard her refer to herself as a "female", and that a civilian would have referred to herself as a "woman". This little bit of heightened perception amazed my dear one, but it was simple to me. After years of hearing my shipmates and myself called "men", while every woman in uniform was called a "female", I had divined a great disparity that irks me to this day. (At this point, I should mention that my eldest daughter is a Staff Sergeant in the US Army, and -- though I will always think of her as my little girl -- she has certainly earned the distinction of being called a woman.)
It is a prejudice that may seem subtle to most, but rings loudly in my ears. The disdain that is shown for women who serve in the military is the product of the fragile egos of men. In my time, we still called women sailors "WAVES" although that had been an obsolete designation for many years. Even our classmates and instructors, who were in the last class to graduate women from NPS for over a decade, did not seem to deserve the respect that they had earned alongside us, and were called WAVES or females -- never women. It seems that we couldn't grasp the reality that these people were our equals in any way.
The Navy itself did not help matters, and appears to be still behind if your previous post is any indication. They would not assign women to the same duties as men, leaving shore and sub-tender billets clogged with women and making it practically impossible for men with less than eight years of active duty to get the hell off of submarines. This bogged down retention (who wants to re-enlist when it only means two more years on a fast attack?) and bred resentment among the men.
The reality is that the limits placed on assigning women to warships, including the still-standing prohibition against women on submarines, has nothing to do with the capabilities of women but the shortcomings of the men who serve on them. It's a dilemma that may never be resolved -- the military relies on young, healthy people to do very difficult jobs, but that youth and vigor comes only at a time of life when young men are at the height of their sexual appetites and being deprived of the means to satisfy them. The navy also requires the leadership of older, well-seasoned leaders. But they can become too protective of young women in their charge.
In the end, the randiness of young sailors and the protective instinct of older ones results in women being a distraction to them that could prove to be dangerous. You are correct in observing that the Navy discriminates against certain people, women, certain ethnic groups, and the disabled. They do and they will because they have to. Perhaps, one day someone will come up with a way to protect the sailors from their own instincts, but until then the disparity that exists is a necessary evil.
My point?
Do not allow the limitations that are placed on you because of your sex to convince you that you are less worthy or less qualified for a job that you can certainly do as well as a man. They exist, not because you and other women are of limited ability, but because your presence limits the ability of men. Treat yourself with the respect you deserve, or you will NEVER get it from anyone else. Start by saying "woman" instead of "female".
P.S. Sorry about the long-winded post. I got on my soap box again and couldn't get off.
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Hey! The anecdote was only one paragraph!
It was the rest of my bloviating that took up all the rest of the day to read.
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Hey! The anecdote was only one paragraph!
It was the rest of my bloviating that took up all the rest of the day to read.
but well worth the read, and excellent advice...........
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Im so glad you guys collectively voiced my opinion of this matter in a much more tactful way then I was willing :)
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but well worth the read, and excellent advice...........
Why are we digging up threads that are over a year and a half old?
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Because somebody finally used the search function and this is where it took them.
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Because somebody finally used the search function and this is where it took them.
As opposed to starting thread #76 on the same topic?!?!?!
I prefer necromancy,..... 8)
Short, sweet, and to the point without bloviating in an essay. I like it. +K for both of you. Those of us with a short attention span appreciate it. [coffee]
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Why are we digging up threads that are over a year and a half old?
Why does it matter?
Someone finally used the search function. Awesome :)
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Maybe every now and then someone will read sonmething old and think it is worth adding to!
If that is wrong then maybe a topic that has not been responded (or added) to in "you name the time" should be deleted, hence the search function would no longer be of any use. ::)
Or maybe someone thinks a new topic should be started every day. ;D ;D ;D
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Recycling old topics is better as one can see the previous answers and from that can write either a shorter answer OR maybe clarify or add to someone else's answer.
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(I kill me,... 8))
Extra caffeine in the coffee this morning? ;)
[coffee]
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but well worth the read, and excellent advice...........
My point was the above OP did not provide any valuable new information. I have no issue with a new post in an old thread if there is something of value to add.
Just my opinion.
GC