NukeWorker Forum

A friend sent me the following PM today:

QuoteAs I was sitting here today I had a thought. (I guess this thought went through my head because I'm heading to see my Granny probably for the last time.) Couldn't we come up with a better term for those that have left us? Fallen is pretty harsh to me, I do understand where the term comes from as so many of the folks we work with have military back grounds, but lets face it, we aren't out there fighting a war.

Do you think we should rename the fallen section or leave it the way it is?

If we renamed it, what do you think it should be called?

The poll will be open for 15 days.

I seem to be in the minority here but "fallen" sounds like a tribute to a serviceman killed in action. I'm not touchy-feely enough to propose another one, but yes I think a more appropriate title could be used.

Mike,

Seeing as how my name may appear under this category (not soon I hope), I think fallen is appropriate.  The only other thing I could think of naming the category is "dead" and I really don't think that's necessary.  Dying's part of living. It is what it is and let's all hope we make the most of what we've got left.

Merry Christmas and Happy New Year

I agree with Marvin. Even though nukeworker is not entirely military related, it still is an appropriate term. Any other term or phrase you change it to will still be sensitive to the event of death.   

knocking on heavens door

Here are some suggestions and some are actually serious:

1. Rest in Peace
2. Achieved Ground State
3. Activity Final
4. e-λt
5. Friends remembered
6. Venturing beyond the Veil
7. Done visiting the Earth
8. No more half-lives
9. In a better place

Fallen is okay, but it reminds me of the I've Fallen and can't get up commercial.

Such a sad topic for the Christmas season.   :(

Quote from: iiiisx349 on Dec 26, 2010, 07:36
knocking on heavens door

That is way too presumptuous.

Leave well enough alone.  'Fallen' has worked for several years...it will work for several more.

Is nothing sacred anymore ?  :) No, really. Fallen is it, I can not begin to come up with another term... perhaps it is my military background, but I would like to think it is more than that. When I think back on many of those that have passed on, I think of them as comrads; those rare friends and family who would stick by you through thick or thin, good or bad times... you know those guys... Bill Mahoney, Jake Sasser, Brad Brown, Debbie Sass... the list is too long to name them all, but you get the drift (I hope you do)... leave it be, please.

What is wrong with Rest in Peace..

Consistency is part of Quality Control. It's been "Fallen" for long enough that it's what the customers expect :)

Quote from: HydroDave63 on Dec 26, 2010, 11:42
Consistency is part of Quality Control. It's been "Fallen" for long enough that it's what the customers expect :)

I agree.

But if I were to rename it....

Departed or Dearly Departed

Those we have lost

But I remember a little more history...  Before there was a Nukeworker, there was a fallen nukeworker list out there in webland. It was labeled "Fallen". I always assumed it was carried over to NW at least as an homage.

Minority report: rename it nuclear obituaries. That way their adult children (or nieces and nephews) can search another place to see how much their loved ones mattered to co-workers.

Dont resist change.Change is inevitable.Change is good."But the on-line surveys suck-you cant show any detail in the work area".Your problem,its happening -other plants are doing it-deal with it.The departure of our fellow technicians has been well served by Fallen. Leave it as such.

I think "fallen" is appropriate since so many were in the military (or some consider themselves nuclear mercenaries).

If the name must be changed, I guess we could consider.....

Those who will be missed
Nuclear Obituaries
In Memoriam

Just some suggestions.

Depleted?
K_eff = 0?
Undergoing final decay? (Sorry about that one.)
Decommissioned?
Life Extension Denied?
Activity Below Regulatory Concern?

No, Fallen works for me.

Quote from: Smart People on Dec 27, 2010, 12:21
But I remember a little more history...  Before there was a Nukeworker, there was a fallen nukeworker list out there in webland. It was labeled "Fallen". I always assumed it was carried over to NW at least as an homage.

That is correct.

Quote from: RDTroja on Dec 27, 2010, 10:31
Depleted?
K_eff = 0?
Undergoing final decay? (Sorry about that one.)
Decommissioned?
Life Extension Denied?
Activity Below Regulatory Concern?

No, Fallen works for me.

Dang... missed the most obvious one...

< MDA

But I still think Fallen is the best.

fallen is short and to the point

  General opinion still favors leaving it as it is. I tend to agree only because I have no alternative. Titles suggested so far are in jest or fall short of a respectful substitute. Sub Vets lists and refers to it's fallen as being on "Eternal Patrol". This is from WWII were most loses were reported as failed to return from patrol and presumed lost which was the most common accounting at the time. NukeWorkers have too diverse a group to easily do this for, other than the fundamental physics of the atom and its transformation, not a lot comes to mind that is reverent enough to work.




C'est la vie

If it's not necessary to do the thing, it may be necessary to not do the thing. But if change is needed how about "Absent Friends"

Quote from: Protectologist on Dec 27, 2010, 02:11
If it's not necessary to do the thing, it may be necessary to not do the thing. But if change is needed how about "Absent Friends"

Best idea so far, aside from leaving it alone.

 Fallen works,

As the say goes " Don't fix, what already works ".

Remember that the title of the "Nukeworker" site comes from the username of one of our original members (Bob Reese RIP). Are we now to rename the site itself? Tradition and remembrance go hand in hand. Leave it at "fallen".