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Career Path => Navy Nuke => Navy:Getting In => Topic started by: MMM on Oct 14, 2011, 01:29
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Sucker. I mean, Good Luck!
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You read everything on here and still want to be a nuke?
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Good Luck!
-- Derek
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We snared another unsuspecting victim :)
I won't say good luck because I believe we create our own luck. So work hard and you'll be quite all right!
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Congratulations!
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Thanks guys. At first I was worried about which rating to put on my dream sheet, but after reading this site I understand that my preference doesn't really matter. I believe I have a decent understanding of the rates and the pros and cons of each. I just want to get through school and onto a sub and give 110% the whole way through. I am married with two kids and want to secure a good future for my family. I believe I chose the correct career path. I also know that I am putting the cart before the horse, but I eventually want to work in the commercial nuclear industry. If I put in my end towards my training, I am sure I will spend many years on these forums.
-Derek
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The spending time here and sharing your experiences would be nice. Too often, for one reason or another, people's stay here is brief. Stick it out and contribute. A married guy with a couple of kids traveling the path, successfully, would be invaluable to the site.
Justin
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Thanks guys. At first I was worried about which rating to put on my dream sheet, but after reading this site I understand that my preference doesn't really matter. I believe I have a decent understanding of the rates and the pros and cons of each. I just want to get through school and onto a sub and give 110% the whole way through. I am married with two kids and want to secure a good future for my family. I believe I chose the correct career path. I also know that I am putting the cart before the horse, but I eventually want to work in the commercial nuclear industry. If I put in my end towards my training, I am sure I will spend many years on these forums.
-Derek
The wife and two coupons make Carriers nice with that steady flow of email. Something to think about before you sign the sub paper.
You can always go to the library that is 3 decks above the gift shop and email home. From what I have gathered, subs aren't the same.
Just thought you might want to know your options. I never envied the guys deploying with kids. It could help.
-Derek
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I have heard that people with prior sub service are more marketable after. My dad is retired navy, he was an STS originally. I know it will be difficult for my family, but I think it will be the best for the future. I am trying to think long term.
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Boot camp advise:
Ask the person who has the last fire watch wake you up 10 minutes before everyone else. Use this time to get fully squared away & stay ahead of the curve.
Good luck & thanks for your service, son.
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Thanks for the advice. I do have a question about the new GI bill though: with on-the-job training now included in GI bill 2.0, is there a reason to pay up for the Montgomery GI bill? I don't know when I have to make a decision on whether I want the Montgomery GI bill by, but want to be prepared for it when I go to boot camp. I am thinking of going with the new GI bill, but want to see if anyone has a reason to steer away from it. Thanks in advance.
-Derek
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Congratulations, are you going November 2, 2011? I re-rated in September from sonar to nuke while in DEP and my current ship date is now May 2, 2012 >:(! Also, make sure to look more in to the posts about carriers and subs and the getting out of the Navy sections. Though I'm new to everything here myself, a lot of my research on here has shown that there isn't terribly much difference to your civilian career on whether you were a submariner or a skimmer.
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Is the montgomery GI bill even an option now???
either way, no do NOT pay into the montgomery GI bill if it still exists.
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I think the only mistake you made was your ship date to RTC. Do you realize how cold it is in Great Lakes, Il during the winter time.
Thanks for your future service.
BTW, sub sailors can now send and receive one e-mail per day (400 word limit I believe). Of course that gets instituted after I retire.
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Sweet. I ship out Nov. 2nd also hope to see you there
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My son ships on November 9. Your paths will probably cross somewhere down the road. Good luck.
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Each rating is different. ET's and ELT's tend to work the least and get paid the most bonuses with highest multiples. They are the ones to least stay in the Navy. Advancements are faster with ET's because senior ET's leave the Navy for the (easy) $100k jobs.
ELT's on the other hand, you have to be an MM to be an ELT. If you get MM but don't like being a mechanic, i highly recommend you go ELT. However, you'll be doing the same thing day in and day out.... Sample after sample...
EM's life just suck. If you're an EM, tough it out and work on your EWS quals. Your advancement as EM's suck. Their bonus are the lowest. Their multiples are the lowest. They work the longest hours. I have not seen a single EM leave the boat earlier than 1600. They regularly leave around 1700-2000. All I can say is, if you get EM, keep your head up and work on your EWS quals.
MM's are like EM's but with less crappiness while working with machines.
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ET's leave the Navy for the (easy) $100k jobs.
You're misinformed.
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You're misinformed.
Most ET's I've known left the Navy going for the $100k+, civilian nuclear plant or otherwise.
Either the batch of people whom i've known are either lucky or that's what the going rate for ET's are.
Granted, they were all EWS qualified.
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Most ET's I've known left the Navy going for the $100k+, civilian nuclear plant or otherwise.
Either the batch of people whom i've known are either lucky or that's what the going rate for ET's are.
Granted, they were all EWS qualified.
Clueless NUB. Why are you giving advice on ratings?
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Most ET's I've known left the Navy going for the $100k+, civilian nuclear plant or otherwise.
Either the batch of people whom i've known are either lucky or that's what the going rate for ET's are.
Granted, they were all EWS qualified.
The point was, it isn't limited to ETs.
I have worked at 3 commercial facilities, 2 as an SRO, an ETs are the minority.
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The point was, it isn't limited to ETs.
I have worked at 3 commercial facilities, 2 as an SRO, an ETs are the minority.
I never said ET's are the majority. What I'm saying is that ET's advance at a much faster rate and have better multiples. And from my experience, most ETs leave because of better jobs outside of the Navy after spending 10 years in Navy.
I never said MMs or EMs have it worse getting out. I just don't know about their life after they get out and most EMs i've known re-enlist and stay in despite the hard work they put out.
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I never said ET's are the majority. What I'm saying is that ET's advance at a much faster rate and have better multiples. And from my experience, most ETs leave because of better jobs outside of the Navy after spending 10 years in Navy.
I never said MMs or EMs have it worse getting out. I just don't know about their life after they get out and most EMs i've known re-enlist and stay in despite the hard work they put out.
I didn't say you said that. You chose to share you experience, and I shared mine. I actually work in the industry..., so whose do you think is more accurate to the real world?
In the small sample of people you know, it is their EWS quals that mattered, not being an ET.
My whole point of bickering with you is, that it isn't right to set people up with a false expectation of 100K+ jobs simply by being an ET. It isn't true. It has been covered many times here before, but to us, the industry, your rate matters little. An enlisted nuke is an enlisted nuke..., simple as that.
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Higgs,
Correct says this Lazy non working ELT who has 3 Licenses and has been Shift Manager qualified on boyth a BWR and a Westinghouse 4 Loop PWR.
Then again what do I know!
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I never said ET's are the majority. What I'm saying is that ET's advance at a much faster rate and have better multiples. And from my experience, most ETs leave because of better jobs outside of the Navy after spending 10 years in Navy.
I never said MMs or EMs have it worse getting out. I just don't know about their life after they get out and most EMs i've known re-enlist and stay in despite the hard work they put out.
I was a first class in 4 years 4 months. Others were close. MMs.
You do not know what you are talking about.
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and most EMs i've known re-enlist and stay in despite the hard work they put out.
Then EMs are either:
1) abnormally filled with lifer diggits
2) in a rating that is pretty cake and doesn't require much learning past A School and a small number of job tasks. Gimme another "Twilight" novel for my load toad watch...
3) hampered in civvie job searches by the routine nature of their limited job scope and lack of integrated plant knowledge that might translate to an NLO skillset in CIVLANT, much safer to play hearts on the mess deck and ship over for $40K and another WestPac as LPO
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I didn't say you said that. You chose to share you experience, and I shared mine. I actually work in the industry..., so whose do you think is more accurate to the real world?
In the small sample of people you know, it is their EWS quals that mattered, not being an ET.
My whole point of bickering with you is, that it isn't right to set people up with a false expectation of 100K+ jobs simply by being an ET. It isn't true. It has been covered many times here before, but to us, the industry, your rate matters little. An enlisted nuke is an enlisted nuke..., simple as that.
I didn't mean to throw in any mis-interpretation here. All i meant was that ETs were getting out.
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I never said ET's are the majority. What I'm saying is that ET's advance at a much faster rate and have better multiples. And from my experience, most ETs leave because of better jobs outside of the Navy after spending 10 years in Navy.
I never said MMs or EMs have it worse getting out. I just don't know about their life after they get out and most EMs i've known re-enlist and stay in despite the hard work they put out.
Well... I was a 6 year and out EM. Earned EWS as a second class PO, made first in about 4 years. We rarly worked hours like you described unless something was broken. About 1/2 of the EMs got out. My first job was as a radiochemist not because of my knowledge or experience but my ability to learn..... Then went commercial from NLO through SRO. It has been my experience the MMs typically had a easier time learning to be a NLO because that was their bread and butter. EM and ET were typically quicker at the start in RO because of their experience with control room ops. But all that passed became good ROs. It is not the job classification you choose... It is how you apply yourself in each endeavor.
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Well... I was a 6 year and out EM. Earned EWS as a second class PO, made first in about 4 years. We rarly worked hours like you described unless something was broken. About 1/2 of the EMs got out.
I thought it was a common theme for EMs to have it hard. My friends on few other boats tells me that they do what our EMs do. I do help my EMs with minor maintenance like C&I of SSMG and Precep cleaning. The crappy part of their job is that they're down to 6 EMs. Our ship ran a ground few years back and they're still finding stuff affected by it.
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The EM's on my boat seemed to have it much worse than everyone else also. On a 688 late 80s early 90s. Always cleaning the MG sets!! One tried to commit suicide and went awol, one's hair fell out then grew back due to stress, and one got out smoothly on the "wife and kid" scam. You go Kyle!!
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One tried to commit suicide and went awol
We had one on our boat like that. He didn't try committing suicide, but he did desert. Nevertheless, he came back 42 days later. He'll be processed out soon though.
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I was a first class in 4 years 4 months. Others were close. MMs.
You do not know what you are talking about.
Yeah, I was an MM2 in 11 mos., 27 days. MM1 almost exactly 4 years. And we were in before there was such a thing as Early Promotion (whatever that is).
Anybody care to explain the "wife and kids scam"?
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Yeah, I was an MM2 in 11 mos., 27 days. MM1 almost exactly 4 years. And we were in before there was such a thing as Early Promotion (whatever that is).
Anybody care to explain the "wife and kids scam"?
I think it's the modern "hardship discharge" thing,....
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Oh. When my ex took off and left the kids, I just brought them to live with my parents and hired a nanny to help. The command threatened to kick me out unless I got sworn statements that I could provide care for my children. It was no big deal.
When the oldest of those kids divorced her husband, the Army issued the same threat to her. So, her sisters and the same ex-wife who took off are helping to care for her kids so she can stay in. The military does not care to have single parents on their hands.
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Made it to goose creek. Boot camp was a joke, some people thought it was hard. There are around 200 people in indoc right now so it may be a little while before I class up. I am an ET, almost forgot to mention. I got here on the 7th and am moving into my base housing on the 13th with my wife and two kids. Thanks for all the advice you have given. I will give a better synopsis when I am on a computer and not my phone.
-Derek
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Made it to goose creek. Boot camp was a joke, some people thought it was hard. There are around 200 people in indoc right now so it may be a little while before I class up. I am an ET, almost forgot to mention. I got here on the 7th and am moving into my base housing on the 13th with my wife and two kids. Thanks for all the advice you have given. I will give a better synopsis when I am on a computer and not my phone.
-Derek
SAY WHAT?! lol
congrats. First, small step. Good luck.
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I was a first class in 4 years 4 months. Others were close. MMs.
You do not know what you are talking about.
And I and another EM were in the same timeframe for earning First Class as Mike.
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Made it to goose creek. Boot camp was a joke, some people thought it was hard. There are around 200 people in indoc right now so it may be a little while before I class up. I am an ET, almost forgot to mention. I got here on the 7th and am moving into my base housing on the 13th with my wife and two kids. Thanks for all the advice you have given. I will give a better synopsis when I am on a computer and not my phone.
-Derek
Another dozen will join you from my son's boot camp division that just graduated on Friday. I don't even know how many nukes there are in the other divisions that graduated with my son's.
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Update: Classed up on January 30th and had a week of briefs. I got picked up as the Master-At-Arms of my class, 1218M/T. Just finished my first week of school. I have found it easy so far. A lot of people are having problems already though. The study hours are mandatory 15-2's for the first few weeks until they have an idea of how your exam scores are. I have my first math exam on Monday. If anyone has any questions about anything, feel free to ask me. Almost forgot to mention, I am living in base housing. It is nice, just got remodeled right before I moved in. If anyone has any questions about being married here at nnptc, the housing, or anything else, please ask.
-Derek
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Keep up good work derek. There was a lot grab-assing and horseplay goin on when I went through; keep your focus, and you should do well.
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My son is very likely going through A school with you, Derek.
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Just finished my first leg in the nuclear pipeline. Comped today with a 3.73 and graduate on Friday Class Honorman. Cleaver6, your son did really well throughout all of A-School. For anyone about to class up, get a class leadership position, it reflects well on your Evals. If anyone has questions about any of A-School I am willing to take a look at it. Nukeworker has been a great resource for me so far and I want to give back.
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Keep it up Derek!!!!
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Just finished my first leg in the nuclear pipeline. Comped today with a 3.73 and graduate on Friday Class Honorman. Cleaver6, your son did really well throughout all of A-School. For anyone about to class up, get a class leadership position, it reflects well on your Evals. If anyone has questions about any of A-School I am willing to take a look at it. Nukeworker has been a great resource for me so far and I want to give back.
Congratulations! Well done! And thanks for sticking around and being willing to be a positive force for others around here.
Justin
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Congrats! You headed to NY or staying in Charleston?
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I only graduated A-school, not power school. I hope to stay in Charleston though.
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Just finished my first leg in the nuclear pipeline. Comped today with a 3.73 and graduate on Friday Class Honorman. Cleaver6, your son did really well throughout all of A-School. For anyone about to class up, get a class leadership position, it reflects well on your Evals. If anyone has questions about any of A-School I am willing to take a look at it. Nukeworker has been a great resource for me so far and I want to give back.
I've been away from the site for a bit. Thanks for the feedback on the kid. Why does he now stand watches for over one month before being allowed to take leave? I'm just curious.
Congrats on taking that first step!
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I've been away from the site for a bit. Thanks for the feedback on the kid. Why does he now stand watches for over one month before being allowed to take leave? I'm just curious.
Congrats on taking that first step!
This is most likely because he entered T-Track directly after a Power School class-up, and they are short on people to stand the watches. He will be allowed to take leave after a month or so, once the pool of individuals to stand watch goes back up.
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This is most likely because he entered T-Track directly after a Power School class-up, and they are short on people to stand the watches. He will be allowed to take leave after a month or so, once the pool of individuals to stand watch goes back up.
Ah, thanks, makes sense. He's had a leave date since before A school was done.
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Boot camp advise:
Ask the person who has the last fire watch wake you up 10 minutes before everyone else. Use this time to get fully squared away & stay ahead of the curve.
When I went through boot camp (USMC) we did this for the whole platoon, not just one recruit. It was always better if everybody started out the day on a good note. It also showed your willingness and ability to work as a team, a major requirement of being in the military. [2cents]
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This thread was split from Thanks Nukeworker post, the Post that started this thread is copied below.
I just wanted to thank all of the people here on NukeWorker for all of the great information present here. I have been reading these forums for about a year and they definitely pushed me in the direction of becoming a navy nuke. The military was always something that I wanted to try, and after being in retail for a few years while taking college classes, I decided it was time to do something else. I looked into the different branches looking for a challenging field, and found out about being a navy nuke. When I went to the recruiter and told him I wanted to be a nuke, he sort of laughed. When I came back with a 99 AFQT with a 275 nuke line score, he had me enlisted within the week. I ship out for RTC Great Lakes on November 2, and am looking forward to it. I have been reading the forums for a while, but never felt the need to post because you guys already have all of the information anyone could need. I just wanted to thank you all for your expertise in the field and for telling people about the great opportunities this field has to offer them.
-Derek