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I'm trying to get a feel for the educational background of my "target audience", in order to gauge future lesson plan development. I've found that in the past, I've "talked down" to the students, bored them, and subsequently "lost" them. I"ve also "talked over their heads", and got the "deer-in-the-headlight" look.

While we're on the subject of education, since most formal health physics training programs (outside the Navy) have become defunct, and most utilities have long since moth-balled their fundamental health physics training programs, how will we educate the "next generation"?

DOE at least still has fundametal training programs.  Utilities don't want to pay to bring in untrained people.  I takes forever with short outages but you can still go from decon-JrHP-SrHP.  Don't some house jobs have some form of training program.  Some send newbies away (I think to Oak Ridge) for intensive training.

send them to technical schools, 'n on-line courses.  

It is (now) a hard world to live in (nuclear) and to get training!
How many folks out there are still trying to become Sr. H.P.? Some Jr.'s that I'm working with can't get enough hours in just 1 year to qual. in 4 years as a Jr. tech.!!! Short outages and only bring in a few jr.'s to sit at  control pionts isn't going to replace the number of aging Sr. tech out in the field.
So what are we (they) going to do in 5...10 years when the hand full of experenced tech. can't fill the jobs that are avaible?

BS degree (not bachelor's) in Health Physics, Institute for Resource Management, 1984  

Also earned a minor in Creative Accounting  ;)

Check out Lakeshore Technical College (LTC) by clicking on the ad at the top of the screen here. They have a 2 year health physics associate degree program and I think that it's all available online so is a great option for the tech on the go!  ;)
I think they also have a hazmat program there too.
LTC is located near Manitowoc Wisconsin.

Got my BA from SUNY @ Stony Brook   Also took classes at UT Knoxville, Pellissippi State in TN, and Indiana University Northwest

Piedmont College, Demorest GA. A Congregational Bible College
"The Harvard of the South"

AS Buisness Administration for Dean Jr College (an old transformed military acedamy), BS  Management Science Bridgewater State - Both right here in Ma.

Uncle Sam's canoe club taught me my trade.

Quote from: tonynuke on Nov 15, 2005, 09:08
Uncle Sam's canoe club taught me my trade.

Ditto

AS in Health Physics Technician from Lakeshore Technical College, yea for the internet!

who needed it . I am in upper managment now.

Came out of HS right into HP job at Chem Nuclear. Started with "Pink" book, went to Gollnick, and worked with a lot of very knowledgable people and asked a lot of questions. Then came to DOE and started all over again because they do not think anybody can teach you like they can.
Now I just ship Hazardous Material all over the world.

I recall that "Pink" book, can't remember the title or ISBN number of it.  For my first book, it was informative.  I am sure it is way out of print by now, more of a collector interest at this point.  Loaned it to someone and it went AWOL from there.

   

QuotePiedmont College, Demorest GA. A Congregational Bible College
"The Harvard of the South"

Ahem........The Harvard of the South?

BS from The University of South Carolina

Went to Universtity of Missouri-Rolla for a semester, discovered that as a student I was a pretty good meatcutter.  Went back to meatcutting for another 7 years until I got on with the local utility.  Sometimes I wish I'd continued with some studies, maybe after I get done with my quals in a few years.

AS Community College of the Air Force
AS Roane State
BS Tusculum
MS U of Tennessee

BA:  Crammed four years into five at the University of Tennessee, Knoxville, Class '82.

I did four years at Elizabeth City St. ('92-96), and five years at Hampton University ('97-'02). I think i'm schooled out.

Currently enrolled in BA program at Columbia Southern University via internet. Still deciding between Occupational Safety and Health or Environmental Management program.

B.A. Geology from SCSU in Minnesota.

Some college, but mainly as an ex-navy nuke.   Managed a few other feathers in my cap throughout the years.

Navy Nuke School
Bachelor's Degree in Psychology from University of Delaware.

Screwed around (and screwed up) at Lakeland Community College back in Ohio.
Joined the Navy and made it through Nuke School and ELT training (MM).
After 6 years got out and went back to Community College for a lot of science and math classes but never earned a degree of any kind. Also completed a few seminars for RSO training, Rad Waste shipping, etc...Passed NRRPT in 1991.
Latest gig was getting certified by Cambridge University as an Instructor for English as a foreign language, which is what I do over here when I'm not back in the U.S. working outages.

BS in Chemistry, BA in Psychology from University of Georgia/Piedmont College.

B.S. Mech Eng, M.S. Nuc Eng - Ohio State University

BSAST Nuclear Engineering Technology-Thomas Edison State College
MS Engineering Management (graduate fall 2006)-Southern Methodist University
MS Health Physics (starting fall 2006)-Oregon State University

10/80 -6/82
US Navy "Basic Electricity/Electronics" school, San Diego, CA all modules
US Navy "Electronics" Class "A" school, Great Lakes, IL
US Navy "Radiac Maintenance" Class "C" school, Treasure Island, CA

Served on USS Holland, 6/82 - 10/86 in Rad Con Division

Instrument Laboratory, Fernald OH, 10/86 to 4/06

Univ of Cincinnati "Intro to Health Physics", Cincinnati, OH,  1987

Various workshops/seminars

High School
Some classes at the local junior (now community) college
US Navy Nuke program; MM
B.S. University of the State of New York (all external!)
Some undergraduate classes at the local community college
Commercial licensed reactor operator
Currently in Seminary; Master of Divinity program @ Liberty University

Can I change my answer??? ........... lol!

That's what I get for "NOT READING ALL THE RESPONSES BEFORE ANSWERING".

I selected "some college", but maybe the truest response would have been "More than 4 years of college"!

I guess I am a living example of the phrase - jack-of-all trades, master of none!

After 50 years, still trying to find something I'm good at!!

Walt
HP/IH/I&C/Ops/Pilot/Diver/Small engine repair/RC/aircraft construction/gold prospector/auto repair/etc./etc....

Walt,
per your request, you can now change your answer. I know how you feel about the jack of all trades thing. Yet I find my experiences tend to compliment each other....

Navy Nuclear - IC
AS - Science Regents College
BS Accounting - SUNY Oswego

Degree from YALE.

Yucatan Academy of Low Expectations. :P

B.S. Biology, Georgia College and State University (1977); started on MS degree and got side tracked into the business at Hatch in 1978. Passed NRRPT in 1985; attended CSTCC in the Radiologic Protection program and came screaming back to commercial nuke when I saw how screwed up nuclear medicine programs can be.

I was just lucky enough to finish high school but then a couple years later there was this shipyard in Newport News Virginia that wanted to pay me to go to this RADCON 108 training...what the hell is RADCON I said?!  You just read some meters and we will pay you they said...Ok, sign me up.

eye wuz abel two git 97 ours komprest inter for yeers at kollage.  eye half takin koorses hare en der, butt moastly da phyne teknickle gnawledge eye pocess iz outa artackle 108.  an da axallant lesions taut ina powher plantz.

Quote from: SloGlo on Jul 28, 2006, 05:35
eye wuz abel two git 97 ours komprest inter for yeers at kollage.  eye half takin koorses hare en der, butt moastly da phyne teknickle gnawledge eye pocess iz outa artackle 108.  an da axallant lesions taut ina powher plantz.

Translation:  I was able to get 97 hours compressed into four years at college.  I have taken courses here and there but mostly the fine technical knowledge I posess is out of article 108, and the excellent lessions taught in a power plant. 

What it is, big mama? My mama no raise no dummies. I dug his rap!

i do too...hence the translation...joke stemming from one of the karma threads....just doing a test run to see if sloglo translation can be entertaining lol

Thanks for the translation, but after the last couple of years I can do it now. Where were you when it was driving me crazy????????  >:(

BS in Physics from Auburn

BS Electrical Engineering: Auburn
MS Engineering Acoustics: Naval Post-Graduate School, Monterey
Navy Nuke pipeline X2

Quote from: MrHazmat on Jul 31, 2006, 07:13
Thanks for the translation, but after the last couple of years I can do it now. Where were you when it was driving me crazy????????  >:(

eye dunnoe bout ennybuddy ellz, butt eye wuz upt dis crick wit alla paddlz.  dis crick been da skool uff keipeen yer haid hi 'n yer bulletz drigh.

Quote from: SloGlo on Aug 27, 2006, 04:01
 

eye dunnoe bout ennybuddy ellz, butt eye wuz upt dis crick wit alla paddlz.  dis crick been da skool uff keipeen yer haid hi 'n yer bulletz drigh.

I hope the general public never gets wind of who really protects them from the hazards of ionizing radiation exposure from their local nuke plant!  If they ever do our jig is up!

Macomb CCC, Western Michigan U and U of Michigan.  I just couldn't get enough!!!!  GO BLUE!!!!!

Lots of community college...
Basic radiation protection technology (that gollnick thingie)
classes for panasonic TLDs, gamma spec theory, environmental monitoring
BS in computer engineering, oregon state (Go Beavs!!)
triconex training
marathon FT virtual server training
CCNA, working on MCSE

basically just alot of computer stuff.  I'm a gadget grrrl!

Navy Training
- Nuclear Field Machinst Mate "A" School
- Naval Nuclear Power School
- Naval Nuclear Prototype

B.S. Computer Information Systems - Chapman University

NLO Initial Training - Turkey Point Nuclear Training Station

Some Jr. High.

Quote from: Colonel Angus on Nov 21, 2006, 10:55
Some Jr. High.

don't forget your CBT training at Palo..

Quote from: flamatrix99 on Nov 21, 2006, 10:24
Navy Training
- Nuclear Field Machinst Mate "A" School
- Naval Nuclear Power School
- Naval Nuclear Prototype

B.S. Computer Information Systems - Chapman University

NLO Initial Training - Turkey Point Nuclear Training Station

Flame,

Make sure you go to INPO.ORG while at work at PTN and review INPO ACAD 00-003 and see which of the six flowcharts you can meet for that instant-SRO position you've accepted at your new plant.

Not trying to be an alarmist... just trying to cover your back.

M1Ark

EWS for 4 years.  I had to provide them Navy paperwork to prove it (DD-214, Evals).  But thanks for the heads up.

BS in Mechanical Engineering -  University of Alabama

MS (More of Same) in Mechanical Engineering - University of Alabama 

IRM's Nuclear High School  "86" >:(

BS: Physics - Elizabeth City State University
MS: Nuclear Physics - Hampton University

My brain hurts.

2 years U.S. Air Force Academy, BA econ. UVM, Burlington, Vt., Air Foce Pilot Training ,Del Rio, Tex. 1972. Full Gospel Bible Inst, Pa. 1986. Learned HP ojt from many helpful ex - navy nukes.

U.S. Navy Nuclear trained, some college on the way there but that is another story for another thread

Funny   no one seems to mentioning any of the fine Culinary Arts schools.... ::)

11 yrs school, G.E.D and school of hard knocks ( deconned 25 yrs and now 24 months RP )

Lots of useless junior college classes (but they seemed so interesting at the time...); basic radiation protection technology course, OJT, tld courses, remp courses, gamma spec courses, some metallurgy courses, BS in computer engineering, minor in computer science, CCNA and working on MCSE, SCADA/system automation courses (ie. triconex, allen bradley, system 1, etc)

T Tarbox
I agree with you to a point. I went to high school in the late 70's so that alone should tell you about how much knowledge I took in.I am a deconner turned RP as you say and I have even worked with you quite a bit such as ANO and HAKE in Memphis. I agree that work exper. and hands on knowledge a big plus, but how ever being high school drop out and just a G.E.D under my belt has cost over the years. I had an interview for house job at ANO in 89 and was told my education ( lack of ) was the reason I was turned down.I will say work knowledge has helped me limp through,but now that I've made the jump I realize just how clueless I am. I see some of the JR's now that is fixin to turn SR who has just set at a check point, but does know compton scratting,pair production and could make 90-100 northeast.I see others like myself that through the years has learnt the systems and how to react.So who is the better tech ,one who knows the book or one who knows the job. The answer I think it takes a lot of both.These days a person can never have enough education if college or from another tech. class. I wish now I would have listened then. Tarbox" Stay with it" keep on the track your on it will make you the better tech, because I know where you came from and what you can be

Agreed a college education is not necessary to be successful in this business, but it doesn't hurt you one bit. Any knowledge one can acquire, whether by college or trade schools is better than nothing.And it helps your resume', too.

B.S. Physics
M.E. Nuclear Engineering

Tarbox!!
I say it has been a few years, cause you can't remember my name,but thats alright because time tends to do that.I got your point anyway and hang in there.I'm glad to see your doing good.By the way my name is Robert,but you would more likely remember the name Booger!!

I was a vocal music education major at FSCC (Ft. Scott, KS). Left there before finishing my Associate's, moved to GA, took another year or so at GA Southern, ran out of $$. Worked some crap jobs and was 24 and homeless before checking the service out. Navy nuke pipeline (ET), and ETMS since then. Going to be completing a degree eventually.