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Title: How Simple Hydrogen Could Solve Renewable Energy's Biggest Problem
Post by: Marlin on Dec 08, 2016, 10:46

   Interesting concept but like any energy storage there will be a loss in the transition. I like the idea of moving toward a hydrogen fuel, I wonder what happen to the nuclear plant that was suppose to generate hydrogen. I guess that's my look up for today to get my qual card signed.  ;)

How Simple Hydrogen Could Solve Renewable Energy's Biggest Problem


http://www.popularmechanics.com/science/energy/a24190/mixing-hydrogen-with-natural-gas/ (http://www.popularmechanics.com/science/energy/a24190/mixing-hydrogen-with-natural-gas/)
Title: Re: How Simple Hydrogen Could Solve Renewable Energy's Biggest Problem
Post by: SloGlo on Dec 08, 2016, 09:17
wood their bee significant loss of stored hydrogen to the metals inn the pipelines? hydrogen is absorbed bye metals at low pressure (think tritium at atmospheric) sow hi pressure storage is likely two have greater loss of volume. may this bee a braking point in the financial equation? per haps hydrogen by massive breaching of the elements' bonds in water by a fission reactor wood serve the population bettor.
Title: Re: How Simple Hydrogen Could Solve Renewable Energy's Biggest Problem
Post by: Chimera on Dec 09, 2016, 10:26
Do they plan on using fresh water sources to produce hydrogen?  If not, what will be done with the waste generated by desalinating sea water in order to  produce the hydrogen?  What would be the environmental and/or economic impact of a hydrogen detonation inside a natural gas pipeline by a stray spark?
Title: Re: How Simple Hydrogen Could Solve Renewable Energy's Biggest Problem
Post by: peteshonkwiler on Dec 09, 2016, 01:48
Many questions, few answers. This sounds like an area begging for grant applications to further the research.
Title: Re: How Simple Hydrogen Could Solve Renewable Energy's Biggest Problem
Post by: Marlin on Dec 09, 2016, 03:10
Quote from: Marlin on Dec 08, 2016, 10:46
   I like the idea of moving toward a hydrogen fuel, I wonder what happen to the nuclear plant that was suppose to generate hydrogen. I guess that's my look up for today to get my qual card signed.  ;)

It is still on INL fact sheet, most of the other articles I have found are not dated or are old.

The High Temperature Gas-Cooled Reactor Next Generation Nuclear Energy

(http://www4vip.inl.gov/research/next-generation-nuclear-plant/i/next-generation-nuclear-plant-1.jpg)





http://www4vip.inl.gov/research/next-generation-nuclear-plant/ (http://www4vip.inl.gov/research/next-generation-nuclear-plant/)
Title: Re: How Simple Hydrogen Could Solve Renewable Energy's Biggest Problem
Post by: Chimera on Dec 12, 2016, 02:07
Fort St. Vrain?
Title: Re: How Simple Hydrogen Could Solve Renewable Energy's Biggest Problem
Post by: Marlin on Dec 12, 2016, 02:32
Quote from: Chimera on Dec 12, 2016, 02:07
Fort St. Vrain?

Probably an updated design and it looks modular in construction. I don't think it needs to be gas cooled for this application but maybe there is an advantage I am not aware of. It just has not been successful in the past to link a nuclear plant to an industrial use though there have been attempts. Big baseline plants are good for the grid but not so much for transient limited use. I think I would be a little skeptical of using plant steam for off site use as shown in the picture as well depending on it's design, just seems like an addition breach of containment in some accident scenarios. I think modular molten salt reactors would be a better fit for industry but...

"That's just my opinion, I could be wrong" D.M.   ;)


I do like the idea of hydrogen production via nuclear power, that would be clean energy.


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