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Title: Internet Trolls Really Are Horrible People
Post by: Marlin on Oct 12, 2017, 09:23
   I have been curious about psychology for a long time (not enough to get a degree in it though ;)  ) from I'm "OK you're OK" and "Subliminal Seduction" in the 70's to the series of books by Malcolm Gladwell today. We live with it in our business with the MMPI and Myers-Briggs, I am an ENTJ which would not surprise someone who is familiar with the test and my long history of posting on Nukeworker. We have a lot of lurkers on Nukeworker but lately not as many posters as in the past, which looking at the graph below ego has a lot to do with it. Having worked in the nuclear industry for a while I know there is no shortage of big egos out there. I am probably on the high side of "debating issues" not that I lack empathy I think no matter how big an ego is if it has room for other egos it is healthy. I am curious where people think they are on the graph in this article. Who posts or doesn't post and why?

Internet Trolls Really Are Horrible People

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http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/climate_desk/2014/02/internet_troll_personality_study_machiavellianism_narcissism_psychopathy.html (http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/climate_desk/2014/02/internet_troll_personality_study_machiavellianism_narcissism_psychopathy.html)
Title: Re: Internet Trolls Really Are Horrible People
Post by: SloGlo on Oct 12, 2017, 10:29
sew, yins got a graph showing current lurker vs lurkers of a decade ago? same thing for posters.
aye have a theory... graphs wood aide in formulation.
Title: Re: Internet Trolls Really Are Horrible People
Post by: Marlin on Oct 12, 2017, 10:50
sew, yins got a graph showing current lurker vs lurkers of a decade ago? same thing for posters.
aye have a theory... graphs wood aide in formulation.

Do you think they have changed that much? Are lurkers more timid today. Flame Warriors may still be a better description of posters, easier to understand. The site has changed since I visited it last. Still curious how this applies to Nukeworker. Facebook and Twitter sucking up all the air in the room?


(https://www.politicsforum.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/lurker.jpg)

 Lurker

Lurker does not participate in normal forum discourse, but he’s out there…watching, reading every message. Generally, he is quite harmless. In fact, his silence usually reflects a natural reticence rather than any sinister motives. He is content to let the other people haul the conversational freight and, if a fight breaks out he will observe quietly. Occasionally, however, some mysterious impulse drives him to de-lurk and attack. Other Warriors regard his unexpected assault as an ambush, and invariably turn on him savagely. But Lurker seldom sticks around to fight it out, rather, after a brief exchange, he slips away, never to be heard from again.

https://www.politicsforum.org/flame-warriors/ (https://www.politicsforum.org/flame-warriors/)
Title: Re: Internet Trolls Really Are Horrible People
Post by: TVA on Oct 12, 2017, 10:52
Much of the posting here is babbling and pro nuclear links with zero thought.
Any career advice is of the you go girl variety instead of brutal honesty.
Way too much everyone gets a trophy instead of calling the ball early on.
Title: Re: Internet Trolls Really Are Horrible People
Post by: Marlin on Oct 12, 2017, 10:54
Occasionally, however, some mysterious impulse drives him to de-lurk and attack. Other Warriors regard his unexpected assault as an ambush, and invariably turn on him savagely. But Lurker seldom sticks around to fight it out, rather, after a brief exchange, he slips away, never to be heard from again.

This I have seen on the Forum and would seem to fit the graph from the original article.
Title: Re: Internet Trolls Really Are Horrible People
Post by: TVA on Oct 12, 2017, 11:55
Actually I have never seen a lurker do anything but lurk
Title: Re: Internet Trolls Really Are Horrible People
Post by: SloGlo on Oct 12, 2017, 10:02
   ...We live with it in our business with the MMPI and Myers-Briggs..,
wanna due a quick eye cue test?
https://www.yahoo.com/news/can-pass-three-questions-worlds-quickest-iq-test-115317573.html
Title: Re: Internet Trolls Really Are Horrible People
Post by: GLW on Oct 13, 2017, 10:34
Under broen til forståelse er det troll
Title: Re: Internet Trolls Really Are Horrible People
Post by: Chimera on Oct 13, 2017, 01:01
Such a nice, pretty graph - full of bright colors and just enough "markings" to give it the aura of study and knowledge.  Unfortunately it's more of a straw man presentation than a reflection of any real study.  The graph assumes only five categories of response and also assumes that only those five categories describe the author's thesis.
Title: Re: Internet Trolls Really Are Horrible People
Post by: Marlin on Oct 13, 2017, 01:37
Such a nice, pretty graph - full of bright colors and just enough "markings" to give it the aura of study and knowledge.  Unfortunately it's more of a straw man presentation than a reflection of any real study.  The graph assumes only five categories of response and also assumes that only those five categories describe the author's thesis.

True, it is base on a limited survey of internet users but there does seem to be a kernel of truth there. YMMV  [2cents]
Title: Re: Internet Trolls Really Are Horrible People
Post by: SloGlo on Oct 16, 2017, 08:06
butt eye yam gitting cornfused as two why trolls and lurkers are bean interchanged as labels.
Title: Re: Internet Trolls Really Are Horrible People
Post by: Marlin on Oct 16, 2017, 09:10
butt eye yam gitting cornfused as two why trolls and lurkers are bean interchanged as labels.

 ??? Identity politics ???  Curiosity about the ID ??? Or maybe passive aggressive trolling  :P
Title: Re: Internet Trolls Really Are Horrible People
Post by: SloGlo on Oct 16, 2017, 10:48
??? Identity politics ???  Curiosity about the ID ??? Or maybe passive aggressive trolling  :P
wail, hail! them watt troll ain't t lurking n lurkers ain't dune a troll.
Title: Re: Internet Trolls Really Are Horrible People
Post by: Marlin on Oct 17, 2017, 07:26
wail, hail! them watt troll ain't t lurking n lurkers ain't dune a troll.

...and why is that?   [42]

I am curious where people think they are on the graph in this article. Who posts or doesn't post and why?
Title: Re: Internet Trolls Really Are Horrible People
Post by: Chimera on Oct 17, 2017, 07:52
hmmmmm . . . am I a lurker because I'm always in here reading or a troll because I sometimes make comments?
Title: Re: Internet Trolls Really Are Horrible People
Post by: Marlin on Oct 17, 2017, 07:59
hmmmmm . . . am I a lurker because I'm always in here reading or a troll because I sometimes make comments?

Maybe:

(https://www.politicsforum.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/bigcat.jpg)

Big Cat

Big Cat would rather not fight…he enjoys peacefully observing forum conversations and laconically participates when the moods strikes. He playfully chases interesting threads, and from time to time uses a Newbie or Propellerhead as a convenient scratching post. He enjoys being stroked or petted, and tends to purr loudly.CAUTION: Don’t be fooled by his fuzzy, playful exterior. When provoked, Big Cat reacts with lightning speed and almost always lands on his feet after an attack. Big Cat often indulges himself by toying with his victim before delivering his lethal blows.
Title: Re: Internet Trolls Really Are Horrible People
Post by: Chimera on Oct 17, 2017, 08:03
Maybe:

(https://www.politicsforum.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/bigcat.jpg)

Big Cat

Big Cat would rather not fight…he enjoys peacefully observing forum conversations and laconically participates when the moods strikes. He playfully chases interesting threads, and from time to time uses a Newbie or Propellerhead as a convenient scratching post. He enjoys being stroked or petted, and tends to purr loudly.CAUTION: Don’t be fooled by his fuzzy, playful exterior. When provoked, Big Cat reacts with lightning speed and almost always lands on his feet after an attack. Big Cat often indulges himself by toying with his victim before delivering his lethal blows.

Dang!  I like that
Title: Re: Internet Trolls Really Are Horrible People
Post by: SloGlo on Oct 17, 2017, 09:42
...and why is that?   [42]

two troll is an action requiring pray analysis, four thought, proper selection of lure, and patience. their is a reason that anglers term was chosen as a label.
a lurker is moor akin too huck fin awn a raft wit dynamite trying fore supper.
Title: Re: Internet Trolls Really Are Horrible People
Post by: Chimera on Oct 17, 2017, 10:00
and here I thought a "troll" was that evil thingy hiding under bridges
Title: Re: Internet Trolls Really Are Horrible People
Post by: Marlin on Oct 17, 2017, 10:02
two troll is an action requiring pray analysis, four thought, proper selection of lure, and patience. their is a reason that anglers term was chosen as a label.
a lurker is moor akin too huck fin awn a raft wit dynamite trying fore supper.

I like the anglers comparison but I think a masochistic cat torturing a mouse is a better analogy. A troll revels in the emotional torment not landing the fish.

 [2cents]

"Just my opinion I could be wrong" Dennis Miller
Title: Re: Internet Trolls Really Are Horrible People
Post by: Marlin on Oct 17, 2017, 10:11
Interesting enough is that the Flame Warriors site does not list a Troll but does list a Troller that nicely fits SloGlo's description.

(https://www.politicsforum.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/troller.jpg)

Troller

Troller is looking for a response…ANY response, and he will chum the waters with complaints, insults, compliments, and inflammatory tidbits hoping that someone…ANYONE, will take the bait. Generally quite harmless – practices a form of catch and release. Nonetheless, he can upset the delicate ecology of a discussion forum. Once a forum becomes aware of his presence, however, all feeding activity ceases and Troller must move on to more promising waters.


https://www.politicsforum.org/flame-warriors/
Title: Re: Internet Trolls Really Are Horrible People
Post by: SloGlo on Oct 17, 2017, 11:11
I like the anglers comparison but I think a masochistic cat torturing a mouse is a better analogy. A troll revels in the emotional torment not landing the fish.

 [2cents]

"Just my opinion I could be wrong" Dennis Miller
per haps, but unless sayed troller is with inn visual and/oar auditory range he kant enjoy any emotional torment unless it is written in a reply. he wood bee moor amused by the frantic give and take of ensuing posting, a laa the response a hooked fish fives the angler. imnsho.
Title: Re: Internet Trolls Really Are Horrible People
Post by: SloGlo on Oct 17, 2017, 11:13
and here I thought a "troll" was that evil thingy hiding under bridges
that's second gen mythology.
Title: Re: Internet Trolls Really Are Horrible People
Post by: GLW on Oct 17, 2017, 12:46
and here I thought a "troll" was that evil thingy hiding under bridges

Under broen til forståelse er det troll
Title: Re: Internet Trolls Really Are Horrible People
Post by: rlbinc on Oct 17, 2017, 02:28
I'm just BUSY.
At my age, this side of the dirt is good.
Title: Re: Internet Trolls Really Are Horrible People
Post by: Rad Brat on Oct 18, 2017, 08:54
Trolls are Michiganders that live below the Mackinaw bridge.
I "lurk" to appease the time spent during outages.
Title: Re: Internet Trolls Really Are Horrible People
Post by: Rennhack on Oct 18, 2017, 08:38
Trolls are Michiganders that live below the Mackinaw bridge.

Hey, you darn yooper! I represent that remark!

for the rest of you: http://michiganradio.org/post/vocabulary-yoopers-trolls-and-fudgies
Title: Re: Internet Trolls Really Are Horrible People
Post by: PWHoppe on Oct 24, 2017, 09:42
Say Yah to da up, eh!
Title: Re: Internet Trolls Really Are Horrible People
Post by: Rad Brat on Oct 24, 2017, 11:48
You betcha hoser.
Title: Re: Internet Trolls Really Are Horrible People
Post by: Tomgiardi on Feb 01, 2019, 07:35
Totally agree!
Title: Re: Internet Trolls Really Are Horrible People
Post by: Mounder on Feb 03, 2019, 08:36
Chatting/trolling/scientific debating: probably all look the same on the first comment.  Trollers are probably more clueless on the first comment.  Lots of good people are lurkers.  The forum links keep us all up-to-date and I'm thankful, but most of us have jobs and lives and can't follow the strings on a daily basis.
Title: Re: Internet Trolls Really Are Horrible People
Post by: Mounder on Feb 05, 2019, 07:14
entire string got a "Like."  I get crickets and a dead string.  Nothing changes. Perfect end to a troll conversation.... ;)
Title: Re: Internet Trolls Really Are Horrible People
Post by: GLW on Feb 06, 2019, 08:09
entire string got a "Like."  I get crickets and a dead string.  Nothing changes. Perfect end to a troll conversation.... ;)

might be because the word "entire" is an absolute,...

and your use of the absolute was wrong,...

but,...

if it's a "Like" you like, here's your like: