different places have way different ways of doing things. it would be nice if there was something that said "once you are on company property and are abiding by company rules you are on the clock". company can just adjust the wage if it affects the company bottom line and people can decide whether or not they want to work for that wage if it ends up being lower than average. of course people will say "they can already decide if they want to deal with the extra unpaid work by going dfr", but you don't know "the deal" until you get there. and when you get there it is hard just to go to another job. this type of info is usually not given out upfront...not a big deal, but working 12 hours a day 6-7 days a week, 30 min more becomes a bit of a hassle.