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Tina’s Training Trauma (From Bartlett thread)
« on: Mar 08, 2007, 04:12 »
 :) No eric

Un-fortunateley RRoads isnt the only one who didnt recieve this training  :o... I have to say I fall into this catagory aswell... I guess my concern with Bartlett Services is how is it justifiable that I drive all the way from Oklahoma to Idaho which is 1335 miles oneway and put in 38 hrs of time and receive the hourly wage due me (which shows I was employed) but be denied my travel expense in as well as my per diem for the three days I was employed by Bartlett... I showed up to my report date on time and was ready but becuase of on site testing problems three days later was denied work ... my site rep didnt offer any options or alternitives or suggestions to my plite and I took it upon my self to show my capbilities by going on my own and paying out $150.00 at Porterhouse Testing Center and recertifing my DOE Core cert... My rep didnt try to show anything to the site on my behalf nor try to encorage me in any other direction or try to negotiate a third attempt at the test for me ... Whats sad is one week before I showed up two of my fellow RCT's failed the same way I did... they didnt go recertify their Core and was still given a thrid try... but then they dont work for Bartlett either....all along they kept telling me to stop worrying that if all else failed I'd get a third attempt at the test... Oh well that didnt work for me... I still think I was due my travel in if nothing else... now I sit here with two DOE Core Cards and I'm still looking for work... ::)
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« Reply #1 on: Mar 08, 2007, 06:22 »
Tina, from what you say, I deduce that you drove to INL then failed the Core exam twice. If they told you before you went that you had to have the Core Cert to work there, it was reasonable that they let you go. If they told you they wouldn't pay travel and per diem (as I know they have done in the past) then it was reasonable that you didn't receive it. It is also reasonable that they set a limit on the number of times they will pay a tech to take the same test and twice isn't unreasonable either. If another company was willing to let their people take it the 3rd time, that's their decision. I believe, however, that after showing the initiative to go out and get your Core Cert on your own, you should have been reinstated if they still had an opening. You may want to try calling "the other company."

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Re: Bartlett
« Reply #2 on: Mar 08, 2007, 09:22 »
 :) I did call the other comapany and they tried very hard to get me another attempt at the test... They did manage to get me another attempt at the test with one stipulation...
  ::) I wait till April to take it.... The other company actually gave me a couple of contacts becuse they understood my desire to work... 8)
The only problem I have with Bartlett about this is they didnt tell me that if after my second attempt I should fail I would'nt be receiving my travel expense in and I honestly didnt know that ...Had I known it might have been a motivating factor for me ... I showed up for them on time like I was asked to do....I should have been given my travel to here... I would have been more than happy to give them more, and had they tried I might have been given  the oppurtunity... instead the other company made an effort for me and I was'nt even employed by them ....
 8) I chalk this whole experience up to the nature of the Biz  ;) and what dosnt kill me makes me stronger... for what its worth I still like my career path .... because to me one bad apple dose'nt spoil the whole bunch  ;) Live & Learn

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« Reply #3 on: Mar 08, 2007, 10:05 »
Tina, your statement basically saying, you would have tried harder if you would have known your travel pay was on the line. i dont see how this is all bartletts problem.. personnally i believe you should always do your best . money shouldnt always be the motivating factor.

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« Reply #4 on: Mar 09, 2007, 11:12 »
another situation where someone failed to get the conditions in writing.. its their own fault. what is said orally and then remembered is usally two different things.. we filter out what we want and forget the rest.


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« Reply #5 on: Mar 09, 2007, 11:24 »
(OK, sorry Mike.) It is not BARTLETT'S responsibility to get you or me ready to pass a test. They are in the business of matching temporary jobs to people who are available and qualified to do those jobs. Now it is, obviously, in BARTLETT'S best interest to have the people they send to a job prove to be qualified, especially when you are talking about a place like INL where they are not the only contractor providing techs. It is not, however their responsibility to train us.

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Re: Bartlett
« Reply #6 on: Mar 09, 2007, 01:57 »
 :) Ok lets clear some of this up... My problem is not about me failing or passing the INL site core test... I admitt I failed and it was due to a number of things (not making excuses) (and I re-certified my DOE CORE on my own at a local testing site) but I accepted to come here already possing a DOE Core Certification  that I have been working on for quite some time now...  the fact that company B was able to have a better working repore then company A when dealing with the site has something to say for itself aswell... not to mention the effort that was shown by company B in comparison to company A... my whole piont here in regard to topic is :
If Bartlett would have made the efforts the other company made I would be working right now long side others who was given a thrid chance I look at this as a site to contract company issue why is company B given special treatment by site... and my number #1 problem with all this isnt even the testing its my travel pay ... everywhere else I have worked I was given my travel pay when I arrived and received my first per diem in a separate check with my first payroll check on payday.... I filled my obligation for the travel pay in ... I arrived at my point of contact on time and ready to work with certs in hand.... I worked 38hrs so obviously I showed up I feel I am due my travel in... the fact that I failed the site core test, I was terminated for.... that is totally understandable... they paid me for my 38 hrs of time that week so they employed me and told me Id be paid travel in and the rate I would receive... so I feel Im due my travel in...  with gas prices the way they are now and I drove my own vehicle and the wear and tear on my car and I being denyed the minimal rate I was suppose to receive for mileage is not right... my round trip will be 2366 in miles traveled now I dont expect pay to get home on but I came here employed by them and I feel I deserve travel pay in....  :)

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« Reply #7 on: Mar 09, 2007, 02:44 »
Sorry to hear your story.  There's probably no reply that will please you.  I can see other's points however.  If you can't pass the basic test you're just out of luck.  Life's not always fair and because someone else gets different treatment is no justification.  There may have been other extenuating factors in play such as better work experience, quals, attitude, etc.

If you plan to stay in the DOE world I would recommend you pursue the NRRPT qual.  It seems that most DOE sites will accept a current NRRPT cert in lieu of the DOE Core Exam.  Trust me though, the NRRPT is much harder than the Core Test, so study hard and try again.

Besides, there are better places to work than Idaho.  I escaped last year and never plan on going anywhere near that place again.  Did I just say never?     :-X  Oh well...good luck to you and yours.

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« Reply #8 on: Mar 10, 2007, 08:16 »
I know at some jobs I have gone to, I was expected to arrive w/ Core Card in hand or take the test on my on time, my own dime. I believe that's how it should be to avoid confusion. I also don't believe in a 3rd test.....for ANYBODY....and bring back the Oral Qual Board.

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Re: Bartlett
« Reply #9 on: Mar 10, 2007, 11:48 »
This thread is like one of those memory quilts that grandmothers used to have.  They were made out of pieces of prom dresses, curtains from the old house, baby blankets, ... etc.
It seems that in the history of a company there will always be, as there always have been, misunderstandings and incidents that one or a few employees will experience while working for that company.
Just about any of the "gripes" that have been posted here could apply to any one of us who worked for just about any company.

Tina,
Your situation has happened to a lot of people.  The "old" Numanco (not the old-old Numanco, and certainly not the original Numanco - but the last version of Numanco before it was absorbed by Bartlett) had a clause in the employee handbook that stated clearly that any person who failed to complete the in-processing/testing at any site would be paid minimum wage for the time it took to attend the training up until they were dismissed for failing.  In some cases that meant that you got $5.15 per hour, no per diem, and no travel reimbursement, and it could take up to two weeks or even longer before you even got the chance to fail out.  Some people travelled thousands of miles, paid hotel bills or rent, and went home with less than $200.  It sucked, I know.  But it made a lot of people study really hard and wait until they were sure before taking a test.

Now, I agree with some of the posts in reply to yours, and some only in part.  A person who accepts a job is responsible for having the minimum qualifications for that job before accepting it.  Things like site-specific quals, or Hazwoper, or a respirator physical, et. al. are the responsibility of the employer.  However, the ability to pass those are inherent in the minimum skills required.  That is - you should have the education and experience that is generally considered qualification to be an HP/RP/RCT before you ever accept the job AND you should have the ability to complete the training that is given by the employer and pass the tests.  So, it IS the employer's responsibility to provide certain training at their own expense, but they should not be expected to spend a nickel to train someone who isn't qualified to be there.

I don't know you.  I won't judge you.  But three attempts at a test is not reasonable.  In some cases, a second chance isn't reasonable either.  If someone scores very low on the first test, then the second test would not prove that they are trained for the job; it would only prove that they trained to take the test.  Perhaps you had test anxiety, or tried to test and retest before you were ready - or, maybe you just didn't know the stuff.  I don't know.  I assume that since you have passed a similar test that you must know enough, but it's not for me to say.

But the point is that Bartlett has no obligation to pay you for travel, or to give you per diem, or to pay you a penny above minimum wage for that matter - even IF you pass the test and start working.  The only reason that any one of us gets anything other than a flat $5.15 per hour (depending on the state) is that we agreed to the job under better terms.
If anything, Bartlett may be guilty of forgetting to tell you that you weren't going to get travel pay if you didn't pass the test.  But, you didn't ask either.
You are the same person who on another thread claimed that you didn't need a union because you could make your own deals.  I'm not going to argue the union queston in this thread.  But, part of making your own deals is getting all the terms of the deal before entering into it.  Apparently, you have learned a hard lesson this time.  I'll bet a ton of money that you will never forget to ask those questions again.
Anyway, good luck to you.  I hope you get some work real soon.
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« Reply #10 on: Mar 10, 2007, 01:06 »
I don't recall in my 27 years traveling this great country anyone failing the entrance eams being paid except for the hours actually "worked".  I think us (from the original NUMANCO, I'm talking the Pawtucket Chamber of Commerce days) ever expected monetary gain if one flunked out.  Guess things have changed when one expects to be paid when you can't meet the minimum requirements (passing NEU/core exam).  Just my two cents worth.
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« Reply #11 on: Mar 10, 2007, 06:41 »
I have to agree with Tina. She met her obligation of traveling in to the job and she was at the job for x amounts of days; in my humble opinion she should have recieved at the very least her per diem.

I also believe that the utility owes an explanation as to why some workers regardless of who they worked for were allowed more attempts at passing an exam that others were.


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« Reply #12 on: Mar 10, 2007, 07:56 »
It wasn't a utility.  It was DOE.  At one of those sites, the contracts stand alone and separate from each other.  One company has a contract to demolish a system, and they hire Bartlett.  Another company has a contract to move dirt from one pile to another, and they hire MarCom.  The techs are not interchangeable, and don't all work for the same customer.

I remember a time when outages lasted longer, a lovely and very nice tech I knew took a job with NSS at an outage knowing all along that she was going to be there only until just before the outage began and then go to another outage for PSESI.  Why?  So she could collect pay and per diem instead of unemployment.  She never intended to work that outage.

It is theoretically possible to make a pretty good living by travelling from site to site, collecting travel pay and per diem at each one, and never break the plane of the fence.  If they all paid full mileage from your home address, all you'd have to do is pick a bunch of sites across country and collect better than a grand from each.  Flunk out of one site a week, and you'll be making a ton of tax-free cash.  Okay, maybe that's a little far fetched.  But, a tech who can't pass the test on the first try 95% of the time is not really a tech.  Anyone who can't pass on the second try isn't really a tech either.  The customers are paying Bartlett to hire techs who meet their criteria for qualification, and not to bring in a bunch of people who might meet the quals once if you give them enough tries at it.

The company doesn't make its money by gambling.  They need to get what they are paying for.  Maybe the other company had a more lenient contract with their customer, but they usually won't get paid for people who can't or won't produce.  If they can't bill for you, they can't pay you.  Travel is an expense that has to be amortized over a long enough period.  So, they count on getting a minimum amount of hours back to cover that expense.  It is not unlike the policy of some companies that pay for relocation.  You have to give it all back if you don't work a year for them.

Unlike the tech I mentioned above, Tina wasn't trying to "pull a fast one".  She fully intended to work as long as they would employ her.  But you have to draw the line somewhere.
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Re: Bartlett
« Reply #13 on: Mar 10, 2007, 08:22 »
I believe Bartlett met their end of the agreement but Tina did not by failing a test.  I Wish welfare worked the same way. If you have a baby once and can't pay for it maybe in my heart I can see the goverment helping but 2 or 3 no  way.  Thats what is wrong with some people in this country trying to blame others for their faults. If you fail, then whose fault is it. Should Bartlett be punished twice for some one elses stupidty, once for failing to fill a slot they were planning to be billed for and twice for paying a stupid or lazy or both person for money they did not earn by failing a test.  BOO HOO. give me a break 8) 

My 2 cents worth about Bartlett, They have ALWAYS done what I have asked of them, treated me fairly, I always show up with a NRRPT card up to date (which by the way is about 5 times harder than NUE or DOE core)  I do not whine or blame others as it seems about 25 percent do on site. I feel for the site coordinators at some places because they seem to have to keep some of the kindergarten techs in line who are by the way the ones who cry about how unfair Bartlett is!!  BOO HOO!!
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« Reply #14 on: Mar 10, 2007, 10:57 »
"My 2 cents worth about Bartlett, They have ALWAYS done what I have asked of them, treated me fairly, I always show up with a NRRPT card up to date (which by the way is about 5 times harder than NUE or DOE core)  I do not whine or blame others as it seems about 25 percent do on site. I feel for the site coordinators at some places because they seem to have to keep some of the kindergarten techs in line who are by the way the ones who cry about how unfair Bartlett is!!  BOO HOO!!"

Yes they do...i used to be one of em' so i was the same way..i just bitch about house tech stuff now! :P....it takes some "stepping back" to see how much SOME road techs whine about "the small stuff"...But for this whole exam thing...
After traveling around for 16 years...14 of 'em as a HP tech...seems like if a person got like at least a 60% on the NUF..He got 1 more chance. That is only fair ...to the tech & the company..they are already in w/ that person to be at the site, they might as well roll the dice to see if they can get the person qualified.
I have seen a few techs score so low on the NUF that they were DFR. Pretty sucky...but that's life.
The exam is part of the process..be it DOE or Commercial side...You can either get by it or not..Can't judge  someone either way..but to say that there are circumstances for every reason why a person fails an exam.
I have always been to recognize enough material on the NUF to make a passing grade...i subscribed to the "80=100" rule!

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Re: Bartlett
« Reply #15 on: Mar 12, 2007, 01:31 »
Maybe Bartlett needs to get in tune with Atlantic and their offer letter.  Your not even an employee until you pass the training and security qualifications! RG

Give it time, i'm working on it.

Tina as far as your situation goes, I'd have to look into it...1 st score, 2nd, etc..., personnel policies, site policies, etc.. before i could make any type of reply to your previous posts.   I'll talk with the recruiter, the site folk, etc so i can get all sides of the story, then i'll weigh in with my opinion ( not that its worth a whole helluva lot) but i will get to the bottom of it and if your were done wrong, or were treated unfairly i will rectify the situation as best i can.

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Re: Bartlett
« Reply #16 on: Mar 14, 2007, 01:40 »
 :) Well I never recieved the riot act unfortunately for me... However, as I said before had I kown that I would have ask INL testing to give me more time befoe my second attempt... they told me I would take second attempt to next day and I sat their all day waiting till 3pm when they gave me my second attempt...

As for this post in general, I posted here because the thread asked about Bartlett... so since this is my first experience dealing with that company I posted my experience and compared it to a second company that is in the area (that by the way, I was'nt even employed by for all their efforts) to show the differances in style.... also I might mention I wasnt complaining about the testing out come... I feel, I re-took my DOE Core and am recertified . I lost a job and paid out of pocket for that oppertunity at a time when I had lost travel pay and per diem... I paid my dues for failing INL's site core...

Now some claim I'm whinning and all sorts of other stuff... I feel I've been compared to wellfair crooks and retards who can't pass a test...  :D
All I know is I felt and still feel that I fulfilled the travel in obligation... I didnt fulfill the hiring obligation by failing the second test... but thats on me and I paid for it ... one)  by losing the position and two) by having to take the DOE Core Cert at Porterhouse on my own dime...oh and Third) not recieving per diem/travel pay in ... now if I were Lazy or Stupid or anything else I wouldnt have went that far to prove my capabilities... I could have just accepted things and applied else where because I still have the DOE Core Card that I've been working on for the past few years...

I didnt post to this thread to whine I posted and usually always post to nukeworker threads to inform... this post is to inform newer RCT's that may not know (like I didnt know) that fulfilling the arrival oblication consists of more than just being on time and ready to work... see I seen it as probably some others might see it... that travel in is just that and your obligation for travel in is to show up to your point of contact on time and ready to work... and the testing for the site that you go to is what either puts you on the site to work or unemploys you ... Bartlett didnt give me the riot act on how I could lose my travel pay and per diem... they might have assumded just like I did..and we all know what asuming get us.... I do now think that an Offer Letter is vital and from now on I will insist on one and recommend that every tech gets one prior to going to a job...lesson learned.... I just have'nt had to in the past... as I stated before, I always received my travel check upon arrival and my first per diem was issued in a seperate check with my first pay check.... 

I have always felt the this site was a good place to keep people informed at the changes that might be occuring in our field... and when ever we are unclear on a site or subject we can usually look to this site for anwsers .... some techs dont realize that just because they know all the anwsers because they have been in this biz for decades that even the littlest of opions could have merrit.... I feel if new RCTs or any uninformed RCT can get on this site and remove all the (ridicule) and (thats beyond happen to me attitudes) they can leave here with a lesson learned....  hope I cleared some things up ... I have chalked this all up to a learning experience and I fully intend to get my NRRPT... I held out on that becuase of the complaint that techs were taking the NRRPT test wihout enough time on the job for experience so it made that cert not very qualifyable... you know no more than the DOE Core dose now... but if nothing else I wont have to take the DOE Core again.... and as for the DOE Core I know we like to say (never, say never) but I can almost guaranty that I will never fail that test again...  ;)



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« Reply #17 on: Mar 14, 2007, 02:09 »
Tina, kudos and karma to you for taking the high road and ignoring the bashers.  I'm sorry that they put you through it.

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Re: Bartlett
« Reply #18 on: Mar 14, 2007, 02:29 »
 :) Thanks Rennhack ... Hey what dosnt kill me makes me stronger ;)

besides what kind of gal would I be if I just rolled over  :D :D
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and I do swim with um....
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« Reply #19 on: Mar 14, 2007, 02:58 »
To Tina,
The subject has kinda moved to the dreaded Core/NEU tests. There have been many posts about the merits, if any,for these tests. We all know of people who can take the test in 15 minutes and ace it, but who don't know the first thing about surveying an impeller. Also the people who just have a hard time with tests, but everyone on the site have complete trust in their ability to be an RCT/HP.
You are a newbie, granted, but just learn by asking questions from the people you work with. I have found that almost no one will not help and give 100% to anyone that asks for help with just about anything.
I am a little suprised that some "experts" on this site haven't tore you up for paying for the Core on your own. Some have made a point that paying for this and the Hazwhopper make you a bad person.
Just a little editorial from the past.
So, back to Bartlett and other companies.  Not everything is going to work in your favor. That is what will be true.  Just roll with the punches and try to get a good reputation as a tech and do your best. That will get you the jobs.  I have over 20 years in the business and like some of the others, could tell you some stories.
So, hang in there and good luck

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Re: Tina’s Training Trauma (From Bartlett thread)
« Reply #20 on: Mar 14, 2007, 05:32 »
Makes me wonder why these "world class" facilities are not using the self-destructing electronic version of the tests as some are.  Technological advances in 2007 allow us to send tests to candidates electronically that cannot be captured, printed, copied, or otherwise compromised.  These electronic tests automatically self-destruct within the time of your choosing, and they can be proctored by eligible "proctors" at remote sites.  Sure would save a lot of grief for those borderline candidates.  Lets us know if the candidate is gonna pass before they get in the car.

Yeah, I know.  An ingenious RCT with a digital camera could snap photos of his screen.  But then we get to the next question.  Risk vs. benefit?

Course the best thing for the candidates regardless of the examination method - study till you get sick of it - then study some more.  It will get easier if you stick to it but it doesn't happen overnight.

Hi Dr. Dan.  I'll give you a positive Karma next time I get a chance.  Nice to see that you are still out there in the rad world speaking the truth (which is often unpopular).

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« Reply #21 on: Mar 15, 2007, 05:54 »
Tina, kudos and karma to you for taking the high road and ignoring the bashers.  I'm sorry that they put you through it.

My sentiments as well, Tina. The fact that you already had a DOE Core Card and then successfully recertified on your own obviously shows that you do, in fact, know your stuff which as far as I'm concerned invalidates the arguments to the contrary. And as far as being prepared to take some industry standard tests, as proposed by another poster, I think he contradicted himself enough in his own post to show that there really is no 'standard' except to say that there are too many 'standards' out there.

As for the NRRPT, it's a tough test but the studying required to pass (at least for many of us, I'm sure) only makes us more knowledgeable and passing the test is a great confidence builder.
I would highly recommend "Radiation Protection: A Guide for Scientists, Regulators and Physicians" by Jacob Shapiro (4th Edition) as one of your study materials. It's an extremely comprehensive, well written, and professionally produced publication. I studied with a group of about 20 HPs and we all bought copies. Everyone from the tech's to the supervisors and planners thought it was an excellent resource and helped immensely with their preparations.

As far as lessons learned, I think you are right in saying that too many things are assumed on both sides of the fence. We need to let our prospective employers know what quals we DO have and verify what THEY want. And if we don't have a formal offer letter, then at least get it in an e-mail.
I have been to sites that say they want the NEU (or NUF, whatever) every 3 years. Some say 5 years. Some say if you are NRRPT you don't need a test. Some give you more money for NRRPT. So...since there still isn't a real standard out there I think you've exemplified soem important lessons learned for all of us.


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« Reply #22 on: Mar 15, 2007, 09:04 »
I would highly recommend "Radiation Protection: A Guide for Scientists, Regulators and Physicians" by Jacob Shapiro (4th Edition) as one of your study materials. It's an extremely comprehensive, well written, and professionally produced publication. I studied with a group of about 20 HPs and we all bought copies. Everyone from the tech's to the supervisors and planners thought it was an excellent resource and helped immensely with their preparations.

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Re: Tina’s Training Trauma (From Bartlett thread)
« Reply #23 on: Mar 15, 2007, 01:27 »
Tina
        I am sure that you want to here my $0.02.
    My philosophy when looking for a job nuke plant or DOE is
      1. what is the pay (hrly,PERDIEM,travel in/out,BONUSES) & what are the requirements
          to recieve each. that way you know where you stand or even if it is worth your time! 
      2. along with the pay,you know that there is always some kind of a test that you will
          have to pass.( anything from INGET to NUE/CORE) . the DOE core is only good for
          2 yrs,so you have to realize also,that if needbe you will be taking it again in 2
          yrs even if you stay employed at the same doe site. I am sure that you know there
          is a study guide on this site and practice test that are helpfull.
      3. before you go to a site ( or agree to go to a site) you should try to find out
         everything that you can like when do you have to take the test ( I know a lot of
           techs over the years that ended up driving to a site thousands of miles and
          taking the test right off the road first thing (guess what!) (there fault -TIME
          MANAGEMENT)
         kinda like job coverage CYA and don't let yourself get in a position where you are
         set up to FAIL .
       4. STUDY!,STUDY!,STUDY!, OH AND BY THE WAY!  there are I believe a few sites left
           that the test is good for life, after you pass.
                                 
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Re: Tina’s Training Trauma (From Bartlett thread)
« Reply #24 on: Mar 15, 2007, 01:47 »
 ;) gastech that's a lot of useful info for an RCT...

 :) I see you have your NRRPT ... would you mind giving your opinion on what kind of differance a person can expect at the time of hiring ???  from a Core Cert vs NRRPT if any .... ???

you know like (DOE Core/NGET/NEU/NUF/Site Specfics) has to be taken at each job site what could someone expect when arriving at a site with a NRRPT ... ::)

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Re: Tina’s Training Trauma (From Bartlett thread)
« Reply #25 on: Mar 15, 2007, 05:00 »
correct
I will be taking the test in aug.
i am not an rct ,I just happen to be wearing an RCT hat at this time.
hp tech / rp tech is what I prefer to be called,since I spent over 20 years
working in nuke plants.
I have been here at the nts (doe)for 4 yrs, I did a couple of jobs at Hanford site also
I would say, tina since I am not currently nrrpt yet, that  mostly it will be a
personal achievement for you ( you can say you are nrrpt and you will get a plaque for your office). If you are good at job coverage,know all the systems and got your nrrpt then you got it all (or at least you should have no problem getting called
back to the next outage) . Oh and of course most important a good personality. 
it has been rumored that some sites give you an extra $1. (buck / hr)   
I also think most DOE sites give you credit for the core,maybe some plants give you credit for there site tect (neu or whatever the new version is now).
  ps:                                                                                                                             did I mention that if you can get around the friends and family clubs at some places you might get moved to the front of the line for promotions.

   mostly it is personnal pride for you!

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Re: Tina’s Training Trauma (From Bartlett thread)
« Reply #26 on: Mar 15, 2007, 07:57 »
Progress Energy and Dominion will take an NRRPT in lieu of the NUF.  Some DOE will take the NRRPT instead of the core. However in my opinion the NRRPT is about 5 times harder.  So there is good reason that they do. I doubt anyone who has passed the NRRPT could fail a NUF or Core test. If there is anyone who will admit this I would like to know. I know a NRRPT who let his NRRPT qual lapse and he had to take the NUF cold, no studying, he made a 96.  Everyone else failed.  NRRPT will also get you more money and consideration in some cases.  Especially if the person hiring has a NRRPT.

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Re: Tina’s Training Trauma (From Bartlett thread)
« Reply #27 on: Mar 15, 2007, 11:54 »
 ;) Thanks thenukeman...just was woundering if the NRRPT has as much differance in acceptance as the Core dose. throughout the industry .. While here at INL in the training group only one person had a NRRPT and he didnt have to take the core because of it ... just out of curiosity why is the NRRPT respected more than the core is it just because its a harder test or some other reason ??? what are the annual quals for an NRRPT and dose it just consist of the fees ???? and are the fees the reason the test is so repected ???  :) just woundering  ::) 

I actually would have like to see the core treated with the same respect ... throughout the industry aswell ..   8)

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Re: Tina’s Training Trauma (From Bartlett thread)
« Reply #28 on: Mar 16, 2007, 05:17 »
Tina,

I suggest taking a look at the practice test http://www.nukeworker.com/quiz/quiz_info.php?quiz_id=16

That will give you an idea of what questions may be on it...

Here is information on requirements to take the test:

"# Education
The applicant shall have a high school diploma or equivalent. In addition, the applicant must submit to the Board evidence of operational abilities as a Radiation Protection Technologists.

# Age
The applicant shall be at least 21 years old at the time of application.

# Experience
An applicant must have a minimum of five years experience. Training may be substituted for experience if the applicant will submit to the Board information about the program and proof of completion. This information should include curriculum, typical examinations, and passing requirements for radiation related subjects.

Experience credit allowed for formal education, company training programs and applicable military training is cummulative up to a maximum of two years. Note that an applicant may not claim work experience while in formal classroom study.

# Examination
After approval of the application, the prospective registrant must successfully complete a national examination.


The applicant shall have a high school diploma or equivalent. In addition, the applicant must submit to the Board evidence of operational abilities as a Radiation Protection Technologists.The applicant shall be at least 21 years old at the time of application.An applicant must have a minimum of five years experience. Training may be substituted for experience if the applicant will submit to the Board information about the program and proof of completion. This information should include curriculum, typical examinations, and passing requirements for radiation related subjects.Experience credit allowed for formal education, company training programs and applicable military training is cummulative up to a maximum of two years. Note that an applicant may not claim work experience while in formal classroom study.After approval of the application, the prospective registrant must successfully complete a national examination."

I found this information on NRRPT.org which is the official site of The National Registry of Radiation Protection Technologist.  It contains more information on what is needed for the test such as study information and fees. 

I suggest looking under Examination Information and FAQ's

The NRRPT.org site and this site should be able to answer your questions on why the test is so esteemed in our circles. 

Have a good one!



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Re: Tina’s Training Trauma (From Bartlett thread)
« Reply #29 on: Mar 16, 2007, 07:55 »
My opinion on NRRPT why it is more respected is that it requires far more knowledge than what you have to know for core or NUF.  Some DOE and Nuke plants realize this and give an automatic pass for it.  You have to submit a list of items that you have done to keep your quals up every 5 years, this includes, dues (35 ayear), college, proof of working in the nuclear field, belonging to nuclear organizations and other items, Jess has given good reference for NRRPT.org.  Hope this helps.

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Re: Tina’s Training Trauma (From Bartlett thread)
« Reply #31 on: Mar 17, 2007, 08:32 »
Hmmmm Tina!
Lets see: inequalities, broken promises, unclear expectations, favoritisim. Sounds to me like you would have fared a little better if you had a union1 Everyone thinks it won't happen to me. i do my job, don't make waves, kiss a little butt. I'm good to go! It can ,and will happen to nearly anyone working in this industry. I try very hard to do a good job, go the extra mile, and I'm still not immune, nobody is. They got rid of Neil Gannon at Harris, and he was a VP, the best I ever worked for, and he even had a contract. If some of us HP's think we are beyond all of that, stand a little closer to the mirror. The union would help level the feild. If one tech gets 3 chances, all techs get 3 chances. If travel in is in the contract, then you get travel in when you show up as agreed. If you only have one or two tries at the test, and blow it. The union could and would provide means to take another test, or take the test until you pass it at a location much closer to your home of record at no cost to you! (your dues at work) they could establish regional training facilities to administer any and all tests required by the employers,(NEU, NRRPT, DOE Core, ect.) and training for some of us that have difficulties passing tests in our chosen profession. Win, win!
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Re: Tina’s Training Trauma (From Bartlett thread)
« Reply #32 on: Mar 17, 2007, 10:02 »
;) Thanks thenukeman...just was woundering if the NRRPT has as much differance in acceptance as the Core dose. throughout the industry .. While here at INL in the training group only one person had a NRRPT and he didnt have to take the core because of it ... just out of curiosity why is the NRRPT respected more than the core is it just because its a harder test or some other reason ??? what are the annual quals for an NRRPT and dose it just consist of the fees ???? and are the fees the reason the test is so repected ???  :) just woundering  ::) 

I actually would have like to see the core treated with the same respect ... throughout the industry aswell ..   8)


OK Tina,
The NRRPT is a broader based test of knowledge - it covers commercial, medical, DOE, research, Xray, etc. It is still heavily weighted towards commercial, but it does require knowledge of most aspects of Health Physics.

When I went to RFETS with the first Bartlett crew there ('97), we all passed the core, but we had a class before we took it. The site wasn't sure what our knowledge base was, as they had no experience with commercial techs.

I was (and still am) active NRRPT, and took the core. I didn't find it challenging, but I'm a good test taker. The annual requirements for NRRPT active status are spelled out on their website. Would be a good learning project for you to look it up yourself.

I believe that everyone deserves a second chance. But if given a second chance, they darn well better improve.

I have been to sites where the pay rate if you failed the test was min wage until you passed it, retroactive, and it could take several days. Travel in usually depended upon passing the test (part of your obligation). Travel out depended upon completing your obligation (length of job and satisfactory performance).

Sorry you feel screwed over, but I bet next time you will pass.

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Re: Tina’s Training Trauma (From Bartlett thread)
« Reply #33 on: Mar 18, 2007, 09:42 »
Tina,

 I understand how you feel, especially about the travel.   But you need to be ready to take (and pass) those silly exams where ever you may travel.  I know some people have trouble taking/passing exams.  I believe that those that can pass should help those in need.   It only helps us all out in the long and short run.

 Dont know if we crossed paths, but would be happy to help out if I can.

 As for the per diem and travel, cant help you there.  I too live in Okieville and scoff at the travel caps imposed.   It takes almost the full check just for gas to get here, not counting food and rooms.  I still accept the position, mainly because I like to work.  But also because I like to work for the plants and with the people there.


 I dont know if Bartlett was at fault.  I do believe that they have always treated me fairly and I always show up ready to work for them......even in the hot dry Nevada desert.  I try not to depend on the company for my needs, other than per diem and pay (and an occassional cheeseless pizza - with toppings).  This job is made easier by being prepared - including taking the exam.

 My first outage I did not possess the "dreaded" NUE exam.  I was not even allowed to take it until the end of the outage for fear that I might fail.  I did (and still do) possess an active NRRPT certification.  I agree with the others that this is the way to go. 
 
 Hope you have better results down the road. :)


 :)Hey Gastech... good luck on the NRRPT
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Re: Tina’s Training Trauma (From Bartlett thread)
« Reply #34 on: Mar 19, 2007, 09:23 »
Even Though I am Anti-Union, In this case a Union and company can work hand in hand with everyone potentially winning.  I believe if someone fails they should be given a week to study and better themselves for a second chance.  The Union could give study materials to the worker and ask others to help.  However there should be no third or multiple attempts.  This keeps the best qualified in and keeps the majority of the people who pass the test some level of comfort that their hard work is worth something.  The company also benefits by not having to deal with this when the union supports them.  Unfortunately, this is not the case and it is obvious by JJ's post that the union will do their best to keep their dues by trying to over rule the company and allow mediocrity to flourish which is what alot of unions are about today.  I have seen it and thats why I do not want it.  I hope Tina studys up and passses the NRRPT and she may not ever have to take a test again for HP!!
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Re: Tina’s Training Trauma (From Bartlett thread)
« Reply #35 on: Mar 19, 2007, 10:48 »
I believe if someone fails they should be given a week to study and better themselves for a second chance. 

In that case, I'll fail the first time, every time.  So I can get an extra weeks pay to do nothing.  Whatever happened to showing up ready and qualified for the job you accepted?  Someone should pay you to study to take a test you should already be able to pass?  Study on your own dime.
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Re: Tina’s Training Trauma (From Bartlett thread)
« Reply #36 on: Mar 19, 2007, 11:14 »
What ever happened to showing up ready and qualified for the job you accepted?

What a concept. Maybe someday it will catch on.
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Re: Tina’s Training Trauma (From Bartlett thread)
« Reply #37 on: Mar 19, 2007, 11:17 »
Sorry azkidd, but I couldn't figure out how to quote these posts, and post it on "my" thread. I really wasn't aware that there was thread ownership here. I thought anyone could post their opinion as lpng as it pertained to the topic. since you brought it up, Tina didn't start this thread, the moderators did. They moved it from another thread (from Bartlett thread) now if i was as smart individual, and you all are quick to point out I'm not. I would have posted to both threads, and got this pro union rhetoric where it belonged. But the topic here was "Tina's Training Trauma". In my post I stated that "If" there was a union, a lot of training would be provided, just for the costs of your monthly dues. It already said that in the other thread, probably several places. But it seems when you don't agree with the posts, you close you minds. Once again you don't address the posts, you attack the poster. Why don't you say the union won't provide any training, or the union would never guarantee travel or wages as per a contract. You can't because they would! Tina always took the high road when posting, she has my respect, but now maybe she will see the benefit of having a contract. You know something written down and agreed to by all parties. This will protect and clarify things for anyone involved. one by one everyone will eventually be in a position like this without one. Nobody is immune, remember it's just business and you're just a number.
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Re: Tina’s Training Trauma (From Bartlett thread)
« Reply #38 on: Mar 19, 2007, 02:22 »
I was trying to be kind and thinking of a way to be pro union and help people out.  Thanks Renhack for helping me out and slapping me back to the anti-union guy that I am.  Showing up and passing the test the first time, what a concept, and studying on your own dime if you fail. OK, this sounds better.  Getting the NRRPT to stop all trauma even better.  If there ever was a union the person who failed would show up at the union hall for no pay to study and get study material for a second chance.  Then I would respect a union in that case.  However I doubt that would happen.  They would blame the company.  Kick me again Renhack when I get out of line.  :)

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Re: Tina’s Training Trauma (From Bartlett thread)
« Reply #39 on: Mar 19, 2007, 07:45 »
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Re: Rent a tech Union debate
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  I have a contract with my hiring company and I dont have a union due debt to get keep my job..


Looks like your belief that you have a contract, and no debt to the union, shows you to have the upper hand.
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Re: Tina’s Training Trauma (From Bartlett thread)
« Reply #40 on: Mar 21, 2007, 07:35 »
In that case, I'll fail the first time, every time.  So I can get an extra weeks pay to do nothing.  Whatever happened to showing up ready and qualified for the job you accepted?  Someone should pay you to study to take a test you should already be able to pass?  Study on your own dime.
Why is there testing if people show up for a job and they have been vetted and qualified by the contracting company? 

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Re: Tina’s Training Trauma (From Bartlett thread)
« Reply #41 on: Mar 21, 2007, 08:59 »
Why is there testing if people show up for a job and they have been vetted and qualified by the contracting company? 

Because it's their sand box, and their rules.

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Re: Tina’s Training Trauma (From Bartlett thread)
« Reply #42 on: Mar 21, 2007, 09:03 »
Because it's their sand box, and their rules.

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Re: Tina’s Training Trauma (From Bartlett thread)
« Reply #43 on: Mar 22, 2007, 08:55 »
It's been awhile since I've been to a Plant,but at some plants my NRRPT registration only exempted me for 5 years before I had to retake the NEU. Each place has it's own rules.

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Re: Tina’s Training Trauma (From Bartlett thread)
« Reply #44 on: Mar 23, 2007, 03:27 »
I took the NRRPT 5 years ago and it's very comprehensive. I presently use the knowledge I gained from studying for that test. When I say studying I mean 2 hrs./day after work for 1.5 months. I have a CD with about 450 study questions and it's real good to hone your math skills but it really was about 10% of the test. Gollnick, Cember, and the Rad Health handbook are also useful tools. Tina, let me know if you want a copy of the CD. ISOCS

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Re: Tina’s Training Trauma (From Bartlett thread)
« Reply #45 on: Mar 23, 2007, 07:16 »
Tina, let me know if you want a copy of the CD. ISOCS
It's probably copyrighted, you might want to reconsider that.

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Re: Tina’s Training Trauma (From Bartlett thread)
« Reply #46 on: Mar 27, 2007, 10:09 »
Everyone needs to hold on for one minute. First you got to have some time in, I think 5 years to be eligible to take the NRRPT. 2nd someone's got to sponser you, and then you got to know SOMETHING! If you can't pass the DOE core, I don't care at any DOE site, than forget the NRRPT! Much harder test. I agree with Gollnick. If morons keep lowering the bar in this industry, they might as well hire illegal aliens!
That's my 2 cents. I didn't have to take the core at Idaho(because I'm NRRPT), but I passed the site specific with only two hours study time. And the sad thing is I would get paid the same as the moron that needs three times to pass any test! That goes for commercial or DOE!
Know your stuff if you want to be in this business please!
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Re: Tina’s Training Trauma (From Bartlett thread)
« Reply #47 on: Mar 27, 2007, 10:27 »
 ;) well thank you for your two cents much appreicated, however, I do know my stuff, considering I orignated in a Commercial Nuclear Power Plant in Illinois... and went into a Marssims project... then into a Gamma Spec position then back to Marssims I feel I've learned a little over the past few years... I had a lot of exstinuating cercumstances going on at the time of testing which is'nt an excuse but it did play its roll... the fact that other's were give a much needed break I guess and I was'nt seemd like splitting hairs however, It did happen... I never complained about that part but, I do have a problem with someone telling me I'll receive .485 cents per mile and not telling me of their outs for payment... and as I said before my past experience as been travel pay upon arrival... then all other pay upon timed worked ... per diem as a second check with first hourly wage check... and No Im may not be ready today for the NRRPT however, I will be at my five year mark... and I dont want to have any unforseen excuses at that time... see if I've learned nothing through all of this, I have learned to dot ALL my I's and cross All my T's beacuse someone else could leave some little tidbit out and I'd have to accept it you know like (not getting paid my travel pay experience).... by the way I did retake my DOE Core test the very next week and pasted it with my usual good score so I dont feel Im lacking much & considering my  past experiences...  ;) and there always room to learn more  8)

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Re: Tina’s Training Trauma (From Bartlett thread)
« Reply #48 on: Mar 27, 2007, 01:06 »
anybody else see the humor in the above rebuttal?

Time to let it go.  Just my $0.02
« Last Edit: Mar 27, 2007, 01:08 by Valkrider »

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Re: Tina’s Training Trauma (From Bartlett thread)
« Reply #49 on: Mar 27, 2007, 02:54 »
Let confusion be my epitath... who said that.... i ferget.

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Re: Tina’s Training Trauma (From Bartlett thread)
« Reply #50 on: Mar 28, 2007, 12:24 »
anybody else see the humor in the above rebuttal?
Yes, but it's all in the "passed." ;)
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