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Article: A jobs boom is shaking nuclear industry
« on: Mar 11, 2008, 01:35 »
Philly.com: A jobs boom is shaking nuclear industry

I find the quote of 90,000 more jobs rather interesting.  Sounds like good times to come if true.

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« Reply #1 on: Mar 22, 2008, 11:06 »
I think they already are true.  Just look at who is hiring, everybody. ;D

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« Reply #2 on: Mar 22, 2008, 03:24 »
Hey, I'm in this picture. Groovy.

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Re: Article: A jobs boom is shaking nuclear industry
« Reply #3 on: Mar 22, 2008, 11:20 »
Hey, I'm in this picture. Groovy.

Are you the guy with the white hat on?  You're famous now!

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« Reply #4 on: Mar 22, 2008, 11:32 »
WWWWOOOOOOOOOEEEEE!!! Hold on there fellas, that sexy nuclear powered beast is none other than me of course  8).  Now if you want to pretend to be my wife standing next to me that is fine, but please  ??? dont try to compare your self to the great one.  I will be signing autographs later in the back allie for anyone who wants one  8).

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« Reply #5 on: Mar 22, 2008, 11:48 »
"Whooosh"

(the sound Rennhack's joke makes going right over B.Presgrove's head...)

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« Reply #6 on: Mar 23, 2008, 06:51 »
LOL.  uuuhhhh........i dont get it  ???.

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« Reply #7 on: Mar 23, 2008, 10:01 »
The big guy kneeling down holding the white paper is your's truly. We are training on racking out breakers.

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Re: Article: A jobs boom is shaking nuclear industry
« Reply #8 on: Mar 24, 2008, 12:03 »
LOL.  uuuhhhh........i dont get it  ???.

Try looking at the picture WE are talking about, which is ON TOPIC, linked to IN the FIRST message.

http://www.philly.com/philly/business/20080309_A_jobs_boom_is_shaking_nuclear_industry.html

Jason-YP  is in the picture in the article.

B.PRESGROVE , we love you, but no one was talking about you.  Sorry.
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« Reply #9 on: Mar 24, 2008, 05:43 »
oooohhhhhhhhhh, now I get it. (clearing my throat from the utter embarasment).  Anywhooo,.....nnnnooooowwww I see what you are talking about....white hats.......not white beach hats..... :-X. my bad.

Thanks for the love though.

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« Reply #10 on: Mar 24, 2008, 06:44 »
Karma to you.  And Karma to Jason for being Famous.
« Last Edit: Mar 24, 2008, 06:45 by Rennhack »

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Re: Article: A jobs boom is shaking nuclear industry
« Reply #11 on: Mar 24, 2008, 07:33 »
Elect Pro Nuclear Candidates and see the good times roll!!!!  Elect the unknowledgeable no nukes, But believe in Global warming Kooks( who are clueless that Nuke is the best for Global warming if it exists) and see it decline. Your choice!!!
« Last Edit: Mar 24, 2008, 07:35 by thenukeman »

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Re: Article: A jobs boom is shaking nuclear industry
« Reply #12 on: Mar 25, 2008, 12:40 »
Elect Pro Nuclear Candidates and see the good times roll!!!!  Elect the unknowledgeable no nukes, But believe in Global warming Kooks( who are clueless that Nuke is the best for Global warming if it exists) and see it decline. Your choice!!!

You are VERY off topic.  Keep your political rantings in the PolySci area.  You have been warned many times.
« Last Edit: Mar 25, 2008, 09:01 by Rennhack »

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« Reply #13 on: Mar 26, 2008, 04:59 »
But a lot of utilities still refuse to hire experienced people (25yrs) that want to work because of their age or lack of a degree. If they really are so short of people because they are losing so many to retirement, why do they refuse to hire experienced people that can/will still work 10-15 years so they can get the younger people trained. I have even been passed by for a helper's position when I have experience to be journeyman mechanic or RP. And seen a woman 8 years older than me offered the helpers position. Just fail to understand that.....

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« Reply #14 on: Mar 27, 2008, 03:14 »
But a lot of utilities still refuse to hire . . .  because of their age or lack of a degree.

41 yrs old...no experience...no degree.  I just started at Farley.  Keep looking.

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« Reply #15 on: Mar 27, 2008, 03:49 »
Last I heard, 49 is the statistical average age of the industies resources, or as they say "Human Capitol'!

41 makes you a puppy!

Good Luck.....RG!


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« Reply #16 on: Mar 27, 2008, 04:56 »
41 yrs old...no experience...no degree.  I just started at Farley.  Keep looking.

And I stand by the statement. You even verified it. Southern Co. passed on 54 yr old white male, HPSS/NRRPT, Navy Nuke Machinist Mate. for helper, mechanic, operator, and HP. But hired you. And offered to a 60+ female a chance to test for helper. I am sure there always will be cases that are the exception, but if corperate is the only ones making decision...

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« Reply #17 on: Mar 27, 2008, 06:25 »


I think McBride probably understated his resume since he went straight to OPS class but there is sometimes more to getting job than resume.  A good resume can get you into the process but you still have to interview well.  And technical excellence is only one part of that.  Part is how well the committee thinks you will fit in.   I recently interviewed for a job.  Most of the committees questions involved not only what I knew but more on how I used that  in interacting with others in my group and in other groups.  Sure, corporate has final say in hiring but interview process is (at least here) conducted by local people from several different departments.  They want to get the most qualified  people that they can get but also someone that they can work with. 
breath in, breath out, move on----j buffett

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« Reply #18 on: Mar 27, 2008, 08:40 »
There may be a job boom shaking the industry.  What we need are kids willing to put the work in the plant rather than at a desk.  I think engineers in training should go through the EO ranks and learn the plant.  When they get qualified they can either go for a license or move to engineering.  I see too many kids my age trying to avoid the less desirable areas of the nuke industry.

I don't know about other plants, but the place I work at is not hiring for a long time.  They are starting to clamp down and get the existing NLO trainees to get fully qualified.  I see this as short sighted because there are many NLOs with years of experience that may want to retire soon.  Who is going to replace them?  Once they are gone, so too will be their knowledge.  The whole tribal knowledge thing is not going away anytime soon.

There are many ROs with years of experience where I work.  I know many of them will be able to retire very soon.  The pay difference between RO and a fully qualified NLO is only a few bucks now.  This will be a huge problem soon.  The next license class at my plant tried to get 6 people to go RO.  There is only 1 NLO going to that class.

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Re: Article: A jobs boom is shaking nuclear industry
« Reply #19 on: Mar 27, 2008, 07:36 »
...But hired you...

Somebody sounds bitter.

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« Reply #20 on: Mar 27, 2008, 09:28 »
I honestly think that there is about to be a huge "AAAHHH CRAP!!!"  :o moment here when all these baby booms are sitting at home on thier rumps soken up the goodness and these industries are left with little work force.  Im not just talkin the nuke world either.  This inbetween job ive been workin now for a little while is starting to get worried because there is not enough guys comin in to work. 

I worked in the chemical industry for a while in ops, and all the friends I keep in touch with are saying the exact same thing the nuke industry is saying.  From my almost middle aged seat it is not lookin good, and im trying to tell my son now who is in the tenth grade to look for a job that is high on the technical side and short on the people side.

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« Reply #21 on: Mar 27, 2008, 10:53 »
Somebody sounds bitter.

To some degree, yes. Just not really about you in paticular. Just baffles me sometimes the twisted logic they use. Work as a contract tech & I am qualified, but no degree so no house job. Look for a chance to start as a helper and work into a position with them based on my experiences, and they go to a woman, older, less experienced and offer her to come in & test knowing she is <5yrs from SSI? I fail to understand that. Especially when I was asked to apply for the position. Then it gets shot down from a corporate level. I could get a house job at a couple of plants, just not where you can afford to live with the wages. But the 'hiring boom' in general is after younger, experienced ops, or minorities.

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« Reply #22 on: May 21, 2008, 09:02 »
A personal take on the jobs boon; 

As stated the companies are turning a blind eye on those without full degrees for any postitions be they maintenance or operations.  At Ameren and Excelon they are putting their own trainees through College for associate degrees in maintenance and RP categories, they are looking to aid the development of an operator sub category there as well.

I do not see the need of a degree to bend wrenches or run a mill if you have 5-10-15 or even twenty years experience and along with that I see a great number of very qualified individuals left outside the fence as the 1-2 year grads come out of trade schools with a piece of paper and little to no capability are hired.   The qual standards need to become industry standardized, there is too wide a variation from company to company and plant to plant.  Used to be Navy time got one in regardless, now it is a requirement at some plants yet the ex-Navy personnel numbers decline each year.  The boon of new plants may change this as the workforce quantity tightens and the available numbers drop rapidly.  There is already consternation on the part of existing plant management as to loss of qualified individuals to new plants and they are fast building 'lists' to attempt to slow or stop the jumps.  Sidebar inter-company no-hire agreements already unadmittedly exist, these will grow as these new plants do come up.

A major concern for our industry is retirement, most if not all the plants have a genre' of employees at the same age span: 48-55 and they will come to their retire age long before there is sufficient replacements trained and hired, what will the companies do?  Some are moving to raise or even drop early out retirement packages, some are eliminating pensions and cash balance plans altogether to force retirables to stay as their 401K plans are just insufficient.  At 52+ I may be one of the unlucky ones and be forced into staying.

Another point to make is controlling INPO, there needs to be some pressure for industry wide continuity/standardization for training and qualification as well as penalties for INPO management being too easy on their parent plant systems and too harsh on those these companies wish to buy up.  Partisan politics have entered where it has no place and this needs to be corrected before it gets much further or as the media catches on the industry will get another black eye.

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« Reply #23 on: May 21, 2008, 04:14 »
There may be a job boom shaking the industry.  What we need are kids willing to put the work in the plant rather than at a desk.  I think engineers in training should go through the EO ranks and learn the plant.  When they get qualified they can either go for a license or move to engineering.  I see too many kids my age trying to avoid the less desirable areas of the nuke industry.

I don't know about other plants, but the place I work at is not hiring for a long time.  They are starting to clamp down and get the existing NLO trainees to get fully qualified.  I see this as short sighted because there are many NLOs with years of experience that may want to retire soon.  Who is going to replace them?  Once they are gone, so too will be their knowledge.  The whole tribal knowledge thing is not going away anytime soon.

There are many ROs with years of experience where I work.  I know many of them will be able to retire very soon.  The pay difference between RO and a fully qualified NLO is only a few bucks now.  This will be a huge problem soon.  The next license class at my plant tried to get 6 people to go RO.  There is only 1 NLO going to that class.

I'm just a measly little college kid here, but are there actually engineering jobs at plants were there is hands on along with the engineering.  As you were saying, there are people that go straight to a desk job sans hand on.  Already in college I have found people who know theory but have no idea of how it works.  But in the end, my question is how valuable is it to know both the engineering topics, and still be able to turn a wrench?

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« Reply #24 on: May 21, 2008, 04:57 »
I'm just a measly little college kid here, but are there actually engineering jobs at plants were there is hands on along with the engineering.  As you were saying, there are people that go straight to a desk job sans hand on.  Already in college I have found people who know theory but have no idea of how it works.  But in the end, my question is how valuable is it to know both the engineering topics, and still be able to turn a wrench?

Brian

I will give you two examples of project engineers I have seen in the shipyard.

Engineer 1: started as a pipe fitter apprentice many years ago utilized the shipyard to help put him though college. Because he was a prior wrench turner and got his knowledge from experience he understood what needed to be done rather than just what the books said needed to be done

Engineer 2: straight out of college started as a lower level planning engineer and then became lead project engineer after a few years. Due to his lack of personal expericance he and those like him worked more like a lawyer than an engineer. For these guys if it’s not in the book it can’t be done.

There are pros and cons to both methods. With many nuclear applications you cannot substitute personal experience knowledge with approved written specs and standards. However many of the college engineers will over think simple projects.

 


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