The "New" Nuke Program...

[dagiffy]

Ok, this is my first post. Warm, friendly greetings everyone.

The reason I am posting is because a young gentleman of about 20 just took his ASVAB (score of 83) and was told he could be a Navy Nuke. They told him, and I quote, "Push button E4 out of A School, E5 out of NPTU plus 25K for making it through the program, 60K re-enlistment bonus, bright future of fun, frolic and frivolity in the US Navy."

Needless to say, I helped calibrate his perceptions, but as to the financial and rank rewards, well they just seemed astronomical to me. I went into the program in 1984 and what they get now dwarfs what we got.

Does anyone know, is this fella giving me the straight dope?

[proud dad]

First thing,I thank you for you prior service.
From what my son has been through and what I have read here,the advancements and bonus are as your friend stated.Sign on bonus varies as to ship date(RTC).
 I would hope that part of your "calibrate" program was to send the youngster to nukeworker.com to read the coments from people curently in the program.Whether your experience was good or bad I would guess that his navy might be a little different from your navy.
Alan

[Gamecock]

Re-enlistment money can be as high as $100K these days, so, if anything, those numbers you posted are low.

[Samabby]

My only challenge would be regarding " E-5 out of NTPU " . This one is not an automatic promotion unless your young friend gets a Staff Pick Up assignment and extends.

[Golly Orby]

Here is the most recent Enlistment Bonus information I've seen.  I've quoted the Nuclear Field bonuses:

NF: Nov-Jan $18,000
NF: Feb-May $20,000
NF: Jun-Oct $16,000

Source:   http://usmilitary.about.com/od/navybonuses/a/enlbonus.htm

[Wareal]

The numbers quoted are relatively accurate.  The enlistment bonus has increased a good bit just in the last three years.  It may be increased for prior college.  My son has been in three years as of 1/3/09.  He was a push button E4 out of A school.  He's a SPU ET and has been an E5 for six months.  His reenlistment bonus was considerably more than $60,000.  The "fun and frivolity", I'm not so sure about.

[sullied]

Speaking from direct experience here. E-4 out of A-school is guaranteed unless there's some sort of disciplinary action. E-5 out of NPTU is an absolute lie...it's very likely to get it soon after leaving...but it's no guarantee at all. It is, however, automatic if he STAR reenlists after his two-year point and adds on another 2 years to his already 6 year contract. There's no $25K for making it through the program. You get the enlistment bonus that's offered to you depending on what time of year, but that's all. Half is paid out after A-school...if I remember correctly. The other half is paid after NPTU (that one I'm sure of). 60K reenlistment bonus could be low...depends on what rate he's selected as. ET's get the highest bonuses...and they are over 60K easily. Of course, the bright future of fun, frolic and frivolity is left to one's own perceptions. However, I must say that 95% of the people don't see that from day to day.

[dagiffy]

Well, the calibration I gave him was more about the Navy, not the Nuke part. I'd gotten to know him a little..ie..he has no use for the "dress code" here at work, is late almost every day, etc. I told him that "hurry up and wait" is a way of life in the Navy, that most times you will wait in line an hour for chow after marching, in the rain, and no one will care if you are soaked, they don't care if you'd rather not do GQ because you had a late night playing cards, etc. You know, that kind of thing.

We have since had to let him go because of his habits, which seemed mainly that he used this job as a way to further "express himself". I'm sure his recruiter has told him all kinds of stuff, I just don't think that m.o. is going to fly in the military. But maybe the Navy, from boot camp on out to discharge, has changed in 20 years? Maybe now it's changed so that his Company Commander can demand one thing but since he feels like doing another, that's ok. He's a really nice kid, friendly, etc. It's just that, no matter what you tell him, he knows better...even if he's never done it before.

Wow, the money is amazing now. I remember I got 2k for getting through NPTU and the re-enlistment was 30K for two years. The only thing I'd change about it now is that I'd never, ever go on a carrier if I had the choice. Did we have a choice? I can't remember...

[93-383]

Well, the calibration I gave him was more about the Navy, not the Nuke part. I'd gotten to know him a little..ie..he has no use for the "dress code" here at work, is late almost every day, etc. I told him that "hurry up and wait" is a way of life in the Navy, that most times you will wait in line an hour for chow after marching, in the rain, and no one will care if you are soaked, they don't care if you'd rather not do GQ because you had a late night playing cards, etc. You know, that kind of thing.

We have since had to let him go because of his habits, which seemed mainly that he used this job as a way to further "express himself". I'm sure his recruiter has told him all kinds of stuff, I just don't think that m.o. is going to fly in the military. But maybe the Navy, from boot camp on out to discharge, has changed in 20 years? Maybe now it's changed so that his Company Commander can demand one thing but since he feels like doing another, that's ok. He's a really nice kid, friendly, etc. It's just that, no matter what you tell him, he knows better...even if he's never done it before.

Wow, the money is amazing now. I remember I got 2k for getting through NPTU and the re-enlistment was 30K for two years. The only thing I'd change about it now is that I'd never, ever go on a carrier if I had the choice. Did we have a choice? I can't remember...

Maybe it would be good for him. That kinda reminds me of how I was 10 years ago before I joined. I got sold a lot of "stuff" from the recruiter and enlisted, the adjustments was very tough but I think I am a better person for it. For example I just looked the other day I looked at my transcripts I graduated HS with a 2.53 GPA I wasn't dumb I just didn't apply myself typical D and F on homework and A and B on the test. My current college GPA is a 3.37. The military can change people for the better but it's not gentle. 

[sullied]

Maybe it would be good for him. That kinda reminds me of how I was 10 years ago before I joined. I got sold a lot of "stuff" from the recruiter and enlisted, the adjustments was very tough but I think I am a better person for it. For example I just looked the other day I looked at my transcripts I graduated HS with a 2.53 GPA I wasn't dumb I just didn't apply myself typical D and F on homework and A and B on the test. My current college GPA is a 3.37. The military can change people for the better but it's not gentle. 

Was it the military that changed you or was it just you becoming more mature? Most people lose their bad habits when they get past their early 20s. I know this is really off-topic for the post, just thought I'd throw it out there.

Daggify: You should've had a choice of carrier, sub, or cruiser...they were all around when you were in. But you're right on the other things...that sort of attitude doesnt work with the military. But, like 93-383 said, maybe boot camp will change him.

[Wanna Know Mom]

I do believe the initial Nuke contract is 8 years, not 6.  (the last 2 years are inactive reserves.  If you were in DEP prior to AD then subtract 1 month for every month of DEP).    Kathy VPNM

[Gamecock]

Daggify: You should've had a choice of carrier, sub, or cruiser.

Wrong....the only choice there was or is currently available is whether to volunteer for subs or not.  You couldn't choose CVN or CGN.

If you didn't volunteer subs (and in some cases even if you did volunteer subs), you got assigned to a surface nuclear ship in accordance with the "needs of the navy."

[Samabby]

That " dress code issue " still might present a challenge or two. 

[dagiffy]

Wow, an eight year commitment. I don't think it was like that when I went in, it was only six and you were OUT afterward if you discharged. Well, hopefully my ex-coworker goes into the program, loves it and lives happily ever after.

[Gamecock]

It still is 6 and out.  However, you are still in the inactive reserves for an additional 2 years.  This is  the same as it was when I entered active service in 1990.

[dagiffy]

maybe it was that way in 1984, too. I can't remember ever hearing or thinking about it, though.

[JustinHEMI05]

maybe it was that way in 1984, too. I can't remember ever hearing or thinking about it, though.

You wouldn't unless things got so bad that they needed the inactive reserve. At that point, we are pretty much screwed.

Justin

[Preciousblue1965]

Well, the calibration I gave him was more about the Navy, not the Nuke part. I'd gotten to know him a little..ie..he has no use for the "dress code" here at work, is late almost every day, etc. I told him that "hurry up and wait" is a way of life in the Navy, that most times you will wait in line an hour for chow after marching, in the rain, and no one will care if you are soaked, they don't care if you'd rather not do GQ because you had a late night playing cards, etc. You know, that kind of thing.

We have since had to let him go because of his habits, which seemed mainly that he used this job as a way to further "express himself". I'm sure his recruiter has told him all kinds of stuff, I just don't think that m.o. is going to fly in the military. But maybe the Navy, from boot camp on out to discharge, has changed in 20 years? Maybe now it's changed so that his Company Commander can demand one thing but since he feels like doing another, that's ok. He's a really nice kid, friendly, etc. It's just that, no matter what you tell him, he knows better...even if he's never done it before.

Wow, the money is amazing now. I remember I got 2k for getting through NPTU and the re-enlistment was 30K for two years. The only thing I'd change about it now is that I'd never, ever go on a carrier if I had the choice. Did we have a choice? I can't remember...

I am seriously supprised we haven't heard from HydroDave on this one.......


300 Quatloos against the newcomer.

[PapaBear765]

Was it the military that changed you or was it just you becoming more mature? Most people lose their bad habits when they get past their early 20s. I know this is really off-topic for the post, just thought I'd throw it out there.

I've asked myself that many times: do I attribute who I am now to growing up in general, or due to my time in the navy/nuke navy?  I'll take the cop-out and say it's both.  You either grow up or you don't (see pro athletes), but the nature of your adulthood depends on how you grew up.  The nuclear navy atmosphere, being on a sub, etc. can't help but produce an adult who's more pragmatic than the average person.  I have to check myself sometimes when dealing with the "normies" out there like an auto mechanic who shears the bolt off of my truck's valve cover.

[HydroDave63]

300 Quatloos against the newcomer.

Good luck finding someone to take the bet!

However...plenty of those that get bumped from the program, still have fun at sea and wise up later, so there is always hope!

[grimmreaper42]

The first reenlistment went goes up to 90k now and ET multipliers are pretty ridiculous. If you want you can fiddle with the SRB Calculator https://staynavytools.bol.navy.mil/SRB/Default.aspx . The 90k is for the STAR. You should use one of the NUC 3363 NEC's or one of the other numbers....don't remember what's surface and what's subs, put in a rough estimate of 2 years till someone does a STAR and reenlistment term is 6.

[JustinHEMI05]

Still not worth it.

Justin

[mlslstephens]

Been there; done that.  I got several T-shirts.    Some have battery acid, others have carbon dust.  However, my last few t-shirts are still in pristine condition.  Now all I have to show for my time is two DD-214s, a shadow box, and a sword over the mantle.

Oh yeah, and a monthly check for doing nothing.  [If you turn your computer speakers up real loud, you just might hear the Navy Hymn playing in the background]

Just kidding Justin, I'm not that much of a diggit.

[JustinHEMI05]

Been there; done that.  I got several T-shirts.    Some have battery acid, others have carbon dust.  However, my last few t-shirts are still in pristine condition.  Now all I have to show for my time is two DD-214s, a shadow box, and a sword over the mantle.

Oh yeah, and a monthly check for doing nothing.  [If you turn your computer speakers up real loud, you just might hear the Navy Hymn playing in the background]

Just kidding Justin, I'm not that much of a diggit.

Still not worth it. 

Justin

[withroaj]

Still not worth it. 

Justin

Didn't your reenlistment allow you to qualify T-EOOW and wind up instant SRO in a big kids' plant?  You might not have pulled off SRO with just six-and-out.  Still not worth it?

[mlslstephens]

gotcha beat, I got a Katana AND a Wakizashi,....

Touché

But I've actually worn my sword in uniform...how 'bout you?   

[Preciousblue1965]

unlike their counterparts in other branches of military service, Navy officers would never turn their backs on a formation of enlisted men armed with swords, therefore; No, I don't have one of those nor did i get to wear one in uniform,....

There has to be a joke somewhere in this about enlisted guys, knives in the back, and officers with swords, but for the life of me I can't quite put it together.  I must be losing my touch.

[Gamecock]

There has to be a joke somewhere in this about enlisted guys, knives in the back, and officers with swords, but for the life of me I can't quite put it together.  I must be losing my touch.

Generally speaking, officers only need to worry about getting stabbed in the back by other officers, especially in the surface community.

[Pirate Bob]

Now all I have to show for my time is two DD-214s, a shadow box, and a sword over the mantle.

After reading the uniform regs in Power School (yeah, it was a long night in group study), I have had seriously considered becoming an officer just for the ability to wear dinner dress blues with a tiara, cape, and sword.  Classy, yes? 

(I swear, it says you can wear all that, look it up!)

[Gamecock]

After reading the uniform regs in Power School (yeah, it was a long night in group study), I have had seriously considered becoming an officer just for the ability to wear dinner dress blues with a tiara, cape, and sword.  Classy, yes? 

(I swear, it says you can wear all that, look it up!)

http://buperscd.technology.navy.mil/bup_updt/508/unireg/Chapter3/3500_seriesArticles/3501_86.htm

Its been my experience that very few female officers can actually pull off wearing the tiara....though I've only actually seen a few wearing it.

(Most have just looked rather silly IMHO)

[Preciousblue1965]

http://buperscd.technology.navy.mil/bup_updt/508/unireg/Chapter3/3500_seriesArticles/3501_86.htm

Its been my experience that very few female officers can actually pull off wearing the tiara....though I've only actually seen a few wearing it.

(Most have just looked rather silly IMHO)

Yea I think I will stick with my ability to wear anything I want whenever I want and not having to worry about if it is allowed by regulations or not.  Sooo

[Samabby]

" After reading the uniform regs in Power School (yeah, it was a long night in group study) "

Try putting your study time to better use. It will come in handy out in the flee.

[Preciousblue1965]

Generally speaking, officers only need to worry about getting stabbed in the back by other officers, especially in the surface community.

Maybe that is why you O-types get swords.  Much more difficult to stab someone with a sword and get away with it than a knife.

[Pirate Bob]

" After reading the uniform regs in Power School (yeah, it was a long night in group study) "

Try putting your study time to better use. It will come in handy out in the flee.

Yeah, well, sometimes you have to take a break.  Sometimes the gossip in the halls of Rickover High is just too much to take on those breaks.  At least I was learning something, no?

[deltarho]

Generally speaking, officers only need to worry about getting stabbed in the back by other officers, especially in the surface community.

I generally agree with your generally position.  It really mattered who the officer was whether the enlisted would allow the officer to fall on his sword--or offer to place it between his ribs for him.  My first ship's MPA was an example.  One fine day, the MPA was standing his proficiency watch. After #2 plant scrammed for the second time in four hours, the Engineer came bursting into the EOS, "Mr. -----, who did you piss off this time?"  I was the phone talker when it happened.  I also know, after the plant scrammed the first time, he pulled out his pocket brain and wrote something in it, but said under his breath that I heard, "That was my 6th unintentional scram."

I found out about a year later that the MMs were throwing wet sponges at the TG Lube Oil Dump doomiflotchy...

[byroneduardo]

the current enlistment bonus for nuke is $21-25k

[Neutron Whisperer]

I went into the program in 1984 and what they get now dwarfs what we got.

From:
http://www.navycs.com/blogs/2009/02/11/february-2009-navy-srb

RMKS/1.  THIS NAVADMIN ANNOUNCES REVISED SELECTIVE REENLISTMENT
BONUS (SRB) AWARD LEVELS FOR ACTIVE COMPONENT AND RESERVE COMPONENT
FULL TIME SUPPORT (FTS).  THIS NAVADMIN SUPERSEDES NAVADMIN 240/08.
INCREASED AWARD LEVELS ARE EFFECTIVE IMMEDIATELY AND DECREASES ARE
EFFECTIVE 11 MARCH 2009.
2.  THE INCREASE IN MOST OF THE ENLISTED NUCLEAR PROGRAM SRB AWARD
LEVELS ARE IN EFFECT FOR A LIMITED PERIOD.  THESE NEW AWARD LEVELS
ARE LISTED BELOW IN PARA 13.  THIS IS A UNIQUE REENLISTMENT
OPPORTUNITY FOR OUR MOST CRITICAL NUCLEAR SKILLS.  THE NUCLEAR
PROGRAM SRB AWARD LEVELS LISTED IN PARA 13 WILL BE REDUCED TO AT OR
BELOW THEIR CURRENT LEVELS NO LATER THAN 11 MAY 2009.  A SEPARATE
NAVADMIN WILL BE RELEASED 30 DAYS PRIOR TO THE REDUCTION TO CONFIRM
THE SPECIFIC SRB AWARD LEVEL REDUCTIONS FOR THE ENLISTED NUCLEAR
PROGRAM.

blah, blah...

90,000 DOLLAR AWARD CEILING
RATING      NEC        ZONE A  ZONE B  ZONE C  NOTES
NUC         3356      +12.0     8.5     0.0     8
NUC         3366      +12.0     8.5     0.0     8
+NUC        3386      +11.0    +5.5     0.0     8
+NUC        3396      +11.0    +5.5     0.0     8
+NUC        3354       +8.0    +6.0     0.0     8
+NUC        3364       +8.0    +6.0     0.0     8
NUC         3353      +12.0     9.0     0.0     8
NUC         3363      +12.0     9.0     0.0     8
NUC         3383      +12.0     7.5     0.0     8
NUC         3393      +12.0     7.5     0.0     8
NUC         3355      +12.0    +8.5     0.0     8
NUC         3365      +12.0    +8.5     0.0     8
NUC         3385      +12.0    +8.5     0.0     8
NUC         3395      +12.0    +8.5     0.0     8

[Pirate Bob]

But they haven't changed the cap of $90k, no?

Color me greedy.

[mizzyung]

Currently down here in good old charleston (sarcastic) these guys are getting over 20k now just to join as nukes, E-4 directly outta A School, 1/3 of the bonus after power school, and staff pick ups get automatic E-5 with 2 more years guarenteed shore duty (which by the way, they are trying to extend all the staff pick-ups to stay longer bc all the problems with the plants and lack of enough staff) and depending on your rate, a nice chunk of change...especially if you're an ET...my fam recieved half of a nice 82k chunk last summer for 2 more years after being in 2 years, and the extra time spent with 2 new babies is well worth being stuck at NPTU.

[93-383]

But they haven't changed the cap of $90k, no?

Color me greedy.

They also haven't raised the ESRP career cap of 200k so if you get 90k for zones A and B you are left with 20k for zone C.

[trollarc]

Hey no bonuses for nukes for now. The Navy supposedly doesn't have money for it anymore. Thats fine I never planned on staying in and bonus money doesn't solve the navy's problem of manning anyways. Also making E-5 out of NPTU was pretty likely for myself and most (not all) ETs that have been in this area since I have got here. We had 1 guy who PNA'd an exam. He reenlisted- and he wants away from the current command. I did not reenlist and I will be making E-6 pay for the final 2 months of my naval career- as long as I don't mess it up.

[MeterSwangin]

Get out and go to any commercial plant outage. Screw the E-6 pay, make O-6 money and start building a career in the real world.

[trollarc]

I do believe you are a mind reader. I didn't reenlist and i am out august 19th. I may have to take unemployment until I find someone hiring (I am in Washington but I would like to work either in Texas, Arizona, or here). I recently applied for terminal leave but they may deny it as they (the command) are malicious and I took steps to weaken their hold on me. I am looking at the plant websites but have found no jobs that I think I will be able to get into (i applied for a couple, one of them was an AO position at a plant). I am also talking with headhunters. I really want to have work as I do not like handouts like unemployment. However, I will not be reenlisting to avoid unemployment as I do not fear living on a severely restricted budget. Are the rumours of many new plants being built true? I always thought the U.S. had enough people that protest because they are told to that nuclear power was going to be maintained where it is at.

[JustinHEMI05]

My plant in PA is hiring for a large class of AO's right now. Its not where you want, but it gets the foot in the door. Let me know if you are interested via PM.

Justin

[trollarc]

UGH now that I reread my earlier post I wish I could edit it for spelling corrections. Oh I can. There all better.

[Nukegeek]

When I was getting out in 2001, I was offered 80k to stay in but due to family health problems I left.  Your young friend is not giving you a bunch of BS.

[IPREGEN]

it's down a little bit from an earlier post

if interested you should go to the messages board at

https://www.npc.navy.mil/ReferenceLibrary/Messages/




5.  AS DESCRIBED IN REF A, THE FOLLOWING NUCLEAR SELECTIVE
REENLISTMENT BONUS AWARD LEVEL REDUCTIONS ARE EFFECTIVE 11 MAY 2009. 
A "-" SYMBOL PRECEDING AN AWARD LEVEL INDICATES A DECREASE TO THAT
AWARD LEVEL FOR THAT SPECIFIC ZONE.

60,000 DOLLAR AWARD CEILING

RATING      NEC        ZONE A  ZONE B  ZONE C  NOTES
NUC         3384        4.5     5.5     0.0     3
NUC         3394        4.5     5.5     0.0     3

75,000 DOLLAR AWARD CEILING

RATING      NEC        ZONE A  ZONE B  ZONE C  NOTES
NUC         3356       -6.5    -6.5     0.0     3
NUC         3366       -6.5    -6.5     0.0     3
NUC         3386       -6.0    -5.0     0.0     3
NUC         3396       -6.0    -5.0     0.0     3
NUC         3354       -5.0    -5.5     0.0     3
NUC         3364       -5.0    -5.5     0.0     3
NUC         3353       -6.5    -6.5     0.0     3
NUC         3363       -6.5    -6.5     0.0     3
NUC         3383       -6.5    -6.5     0.0     3
NUC         3393       -6.5    -6.5     0.0     3
NUC         3355       -6.5    -6.5     0.0     3
NUC         3365       -6.5    -6.5     0.0     3
NUC         3385       -6.5    -6.5     0.0     3
NUC         3395       -6.5    -6.5     0.0     3

6.  NOTES
(1) THE SRB FOR THIS RATING NEC IS TIED TO AN INCUMBENT BILLET OR TO
ORDERS NEGOTIATED FOR THE NEXT BILLET.  COMMANDS MUST VERIFY THE
MEMBER IS CURRENTLY IN, OR HAS ORDERS TO, A BILLET REQUIRING THIS
NEC AND ANNOTATE THIS VERIFICATION IN THE COMMENTS SECTION OF THE
PRECERT REQUEST, IF REENLISTMENT FOR AN SRB IS INTENDED TO FILL NAVY
REQUIREMENTS FOR SPECIFIC SKILL SETS TIED TO THESE BILLETS. 
(2) AN SRB APPROVAL FOR ALL CRYPTOLOGIC TECHNICIANS WILL BE
CONTINGENT UPON MEMBER HAVING A CURRENT SINGLE SCOPE BACKGROUND
INVESTIGATION (SSBI), AN ACTIVE SSBI OR RECENT SUBMISSION OF AN SSBI
PACKAGE.  COMMANDS MUST VERIFY THE MEMBER HAS A CURRENT SSBI ACTIVE
SSBI, OR HAS SUBMITTED AN SSBI PACKAGE AND MAKE NOTE OF THIS IN THE
COMMENTS SECTION OF THE PRECERT REQUEST.
(3) REENLISTMENT COMPENSATION FOR ZONE C NUCLEAR TRAINED PERSONNEL
HOLDING A NUCLEAR SUPERVISOR NEC SHALL BE PROVIDED UNDER THE ENLISTED
SUPERVISOR RETENTION PAY PROGRAM (ESRP) PER NAVADMIN 159/06 OR
CURRENT.  NECS 3359 AND 3389 ARE INACTIVE NECS.  MEMBERS HOLDING
THESE NECS MAY REENLIST AT THE AWARD LEVEL SPECIFIED FOR THE LAST
ACTIVE NEC HELD.
7.  REF C ANNOUNCED NEW SRB POLICIES ON THE EARLY REENLISTMENT
WINDOW.  REF D ANNOUNCED CHANGES IN POLICIES ON SHORT TERM
EXTENSIONS.  THERE HAVE BEEN SEVERAL POLICY CHANGES OVER THE PAST FEW
MONTHS AND IT IS IMPERATIVE EVERY SAILOR AND THEIR CHAIN OF COMMAND
READ AND UNDERSTAND THESE CHANGES AND THE SUBSEQUENT IMPACTS TO THEIR
CAREER DECISIONS.  THIS WILL REDUCE INTERRUPTIONS IN PAY AND HELP
MAXIMIZE TIMELINESS OF SRB PROCESSING.
8.  THE FOLLOWING GUIDANCE IS PROVIDED ON NAVY ENLISTED
CLASSIFICATION (NEC) SPECIFIC SRB AND LATERAL CONVERSIONS. 
ACCEPTANCE OF AN NEC-SPECIFIC SRB CONTRACT INDICATES AN AGREEMENT
BETWEEN THE SAILOR AND NAVY TO UTILIZE SKILLS ATTRIBUTED TO THE NEC
DURING THE SAILOR'S ENLISTMENT TO MEET FLEET READINESS REQUIREMENTS. 
IN SUBSEQUENT TOURS, A SAILOR MUST BE WILLING TO BE DETAILED DURING
THE NORMAL PROJECTED ROTATION DATE WINDOW TO AN AVAILABLE BILLET
WITHIN THE SRB CONTRACTED NEC, CONSISTENT WITH SEA-SHORE FLOW
REQUIREMENTS.  LATERAL CONVERSIONS MUST FOLLOW REF B, PARA 12.D. 
LATERAL CONVERSION REQUESTS WILL NOT BE PROCESSED MORE THAN NINE
MONTHS BEFORE THE EXPIRATION OF ACTIVE OBLIGATED SERVICE (EAOS). 
CONVERSIONS TO A RATE WITH A LOWER AWARD LEVEL WILL NOT BE APPROVED.
9.  PERFORM-TO-SERVE (PTS) REQUIREMENTS.  AN SRB REQUEST FOR A SAILOR
WHO REQUIRES PTS APPROVAL MUST BE SUBMITTED AFTER THE SAILOR HAS BEEN
OFFICIALLY NOTIFIED OF PTS APPROVAL.  THE STATUS OF PTS APPROVAL MAY
BE VIEWED THROUGH OPINS IN THE ESTIMATED DATE OF LOSS TO NAVY (EDLN)
FIELD OF THE I31 SCREEN.
10.  REENLISTMENT PROCEDURES.  SAILORS MAY REQUEST TO REENLIST EARLY
FOR SRB SO LONG AS THEIR EAOS IS WITHIN THE CURRENT FISCAL YEAR AND
THEIR HARD EAOS IS NOT LATER THAN 90 DAYS FROM THE REQUESTED DATE OF
REENLISTMENT.  SEE REF B, PARA 12.A AND REF C, PARA 4 FOR EXCEPTIONS
TO THIS POLICY.  OTHER POLICIES AND ADMINISTRATIVE PROCEDURES IN
REFS A AND B AND THE DEFENSE JOINT MILITARY PAY SYSTEM (DJMS)
PROCEDURES TRAINING GUIDE REMAIN IN EFFECT.  IT IS RECOMMENDED
SAILORS REENLIST AS CLOSE AS POSSIBLE TO THEIR EAOS TO PRESERVE THE
MAXIMUM VALUE OF THEIR SRB PAYMENT.  BECAUSE SRB IS CALCULATED BASED
ON THE NUMBER OF MONTHS FOR WHICH A SAILOR REENLISTS BEYOND THEIR
CURRENT EAOS, REENLISTING EARLY REDUCES THE SRB PAYMENT.
11.  OBLIGATED SERVICE TO TRAIN (OTT) AND THEN REENLIST.  SEE REF B,
PARA 12.E. FOR OTT GUIDANCE.  REQUESTS ARE TO BE SUBMITTED TO
PERS-811 VIA NAVPERS 1306/7, ENLISTED PERSONNEL ACTION REQUEST.  A
COPY OF THE AUTHORIZATION MESSAGE SHOULD BE RETAINED IN THE FIELD
SERVICE JACKET OR BY THE SAILOR UNTIL THE SRB REENLISTMENT ON
GRADUATION DAY FROM THE COURSE OF INSTRUCTION.  USE CODE 1CC (1RC
FOR FTS) FOR OTT SRB REQUESTS IN OPINS.
12.  COMMAND RESPONSIBILITIES AND PROCEDURES.
    A.  COMMANDS MUST SUBMIT SRB REQUESTS VIA OPINS 35-120 DAYS IN
ADVANCE OF THE SAILOR'S EAOS OR REENLISTMENT DATE TO ENSURE THE
APPROVAL OR DISAPPROVAL MESSAGE WILL REACH THE SAILOR'S COMMAND AND
THE DEFENSE FINANCE AND ACCOUNTING SERVICE (DFAS) BEFORE THE
REENLISTMENT DATE.  TIMELINESS IS CRITICAL BECAUSE THE APPROVED
PRECERT NOTIFIES THE DJMS OF THE SAILOR'S INTENT TO REENLIST,
PREVENTS INTERRUPTION OF PAY, AND ENSURES THE INITIAL SRB PAYMENT
POSTS TO THE SAILOR'S ACCOUNT.  ANY CHANGES TO THE APPROVAL MAY
CAUSE ERRORS AND SLOW PAYMENTS.  AS A RESULT, CHANGES SHOULD BE
PREVENTED.  REQUESTS SUBMITTED LESS THAN 35 DAYS PRIOR TO THE
REENLISTMENT DATE WITHOUT SUBSTANTIAL JUSTIFICATION WILL BE
REJECTED.  SAILORS MUST HAVE APPROVED PRECERTS BEFORE REENLISTING,
THOUGH THEY MAY WAIT UNTIL THEIR EAOS TO REENLIST.  THE SERVICING
PERSONNEL OFFICE IS RESPONSIBLE FOR VERIFYING THE REENLISTMENT,
POSTING THE CONTRACT AND RELEASING THE FIRST PAYMENT.
    B.  COMMANDS INITIATING SRB PRECERTS MUST ENSURE ALL OF THE DATA
INCLUDED IN THE PRECERT REQUEST IS CORRECT AND THE SAILOR IS ELIGIBLE
TO REENLIST FOR THE REQUESTED SRB.  THE SRB REQUEST SHALL NOT BE
ENTERED INTO OPINS UNTIL THE COMMANDING OFFICER HAS APPROVED THE
REENLISTMENT REQUEST.
    C.  A SAILOR WITH AN APPROVED PRECERT WHO DOES NOT REENLIST ON
THE DATE OR FOR THE TERM SPECIFIED ON THE PRECERT MESSAGE MUST HAVE
THEIR COMMAND CONTACT PERS-811D TO INITIATE A REENLISTMENT
CANCELLATION TO AVOID PLACING THE SAILOR IN AN OVERPAID STATUS.
13.  INOPERATIVE EXTENSIONS.  A MAXIMUM OF 24 MONTHS OF INOPERATIVE
EXTENSION TIME WILL NOT COUNT AGAINST THE CALCULATION OF A SAILOR'S
SRB PROVIDED THE REENLISTMENT IS FOR GREATER THAN THE PERIOD OF THE
INOPERATIVE EXTENSION PLUS 24 MONTHS DAY-FOR-DAY.  THIS CALCULATION
IS PERFORMED AUTOMATICALLY BY PERS 811.  LOCAL COMMANDS ARE NOT
AUTHORIZED TO CANCEL EXTENSIONS FOR THE PURPOSE OF IMMEDIATE SRB
REENLISTMENTS. 
14.  PRECERT REQUIREMENTS.  THE FOLLOWING ARE REQUIRED WHEN
SUBMITTING PRECERT REQUESTS:
    A.  TO VALIDATE AN INOPERATIVE EXTENSION OF ENLISTMENT AND
EXPEDITE PROCESSING OF AN SRB REQUEST, INCLUDE THE FOLLOWING IN THE
REMARKS PARAGRAPH OF THE REQUEST:  TERM, NARRATIVE REASON, AUTHORITY,
AND EXECUTION DATE OF ALL INOPERATIVE EXTENSIONS.  FAILURE TO VERIFY
EXTENSIONS WILL CAUSE PROCESSING DELAYS AND MAY RESULT IN REJECTION
OF THE REQUEST OR AN APPROVAL AT A LOWER AMOUNT.
    B.  A CONDITIONAL EXTENSION OF ENLISTMENT (ANY EXTENSION LESS
THAN 24 MONTHS) MUST MEET THE REASONS AND TERMS SPECIFIED IN
MILPERSMAN 1160-040 AND REFS A AND D, AND MUST BE APPROVED BY
PERS-811.  SAILORS MUST OBTAIN AN APPROVAL FOR EXTENSION FROM
PERS-811 IN ORDER TO MINIMIZE THE POTENTIAL FOR LOSS OF SRB
ELIGIBILITY.
    C.  PERSONNEL IN A CLOSED LOOP NEC CAN REENLIST BY THE NEC ONLY.
15.  LITTORAL COMBAT SHIP (LCS) GUIDANCE.  SAILORS ASSIGNED TO LCS
PLATFORMS OR WITH ORDERS TO AN LCS PLATFORM WHO POSSESS AN NEC
SPECIFICALLY REQUIRED FOR LCS ASSIGNMENT (I.E., HYBRID SAILORS) ARE
AUTHORIZED TO REENLIST FOR THE MORE LUCRATIVE SRB-ELIGIBLE NEC,
REGARDLESS OF ASSIGNED RATING.
16.  POINT OF CONTACT FOR A SAILOR WHO HAS REENLISTED AND HAS NOT
RECEIVED THEIR SRB PAYMENT, OR HAS QUESTIONS CONCERNING THE TAXATION
OF THEIR SRB AND ANNUAL INSTALLMENTS, IS THE SAILOR'S SERVICING PAY
OFFICE OR PSD/CSD.  SRB TAX INFO IS ALSO DISCUSSED IN DODFMR VOL 7A,
CH 44, TABLE 44-1, RULE 7.  THE POINT OF CONTACT FOR A SAILOR WITH
QUESTIONS REGARDING THE SRB PROGRAM IS THEIR COMMAND CAREER COUNSELOR
(CCC).  FOR TECHNICAL QUESTIONS OR CLARIFICATIONS, CCCS, NOT THE
INDIVIDUAL SAILORS, ARE ENCOURAGED TO CONTACT PERS-811D AT (901)
874-2526/DSN 882, FAX (901) 874-2623/DSN 882 OR E-MAIL AT ETC(SW/AW)
MCCANN AT SCOTT.MCCANN(AT)NAVY.MIL OR MR. FRANK PALOMO AT
FRANCISCO.PALOMO(AT)NAVY.MIL.
17.  WE WILL CONTINUE TO ASSESS RETENTION BEHAVIOR AND ADJUST SRB
AWARD LEVELS ACCORDINGLY.
18.  RELEASED BY VADM MARK FERGUSON, N1.//
BT
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[fiveeleven]

Once unencrypted, what that should say is - get out ASAP. Regain the freedoms you relinquished, have any (at least most) compensation due you by your toils spelled out in a manner in which you can understand without the aid of a supercomputer,take a refreshing drink of H20 from a fountain vice a scuttlebutt, put on you boxers not your scivvies,enjoy an Oh Henry and not a gedunk. And oh yeah- the commercial power plant industry is in dire straights right now in the area of Radiation Protection (Health Physics)Technicians needed to support planned maintenance shutdowns. Most navy nukes especially ELTs can gain access into this group at some level, all which afford the affore-mentioned benefits and more.

USS NIMITZ - Reactor Laboratories Division 1980-1984   BOHICA.

[G-reg]

Once unencrypted, what that should say is - get out ASAP. Regain the freedoms you relinquished, have any (at least most) compensation due you by your toils spelled out in a manner in which you can understand without the aid of a supercomputer,take a refreshing drink of H20 from a fountain vice a scuttlebutt, put on you boxers not your scivvies,enjoy an Oh Henry and not a gedunk. And oh yeah- the commercial power plant industry is in dire straights right now in the area of Radiation Protection (Health Physics)Technicians needed to support planned maintenance shutdowns. Most navy nukes especially ELTs can gain access into this group at some level, all which afford the affore-mentioned benefits and more.

This is almost as old as nuclear power itself.

Staying in the Navy for $$$ is a GCE, on several levels.

Stay in the Navy because you want to be in the Navy.

If you don't want to be in the Navy, but you stay in anyway because ________ (fill in the blank), then you are doing yourself and the Navy a dis-service.

Again - stay in the Navy if and only if you want to be in the Navy.

 - Greg

[SSBN640Blue]

This if form the DD4 Enlistment Contract (http://www.rethinkingschools.org/archive/19_03/military_enlistment.pdf).

As you see the term of the contract is for 8 years regardless of what you are, Nuke, Non-Nuke.  This hasn't changed in decades, but you would have to search to US Codes to determine that.  It was the same contract I signed in 70 when I went in.  Don't think many people know they were signing an 8 year obligation when they signed it nd didn't know they were in the reserves until the 8 years had passed.

10. MILITARY SERVICE OBLIGATION FOR ALL
MEMBERS OF THE ACTIVE AND RESERVE COMPONENTS,
INCLUDING THE NATIONAL GUARD.

a. FOR ALL ENLISTEES: If this is my initial enlistment, I must serve a total of eight ( years. Any part of that service not served on active duty must be served in a Reserve Component unless I am sooner discharged.

b. If I am a member of a Reserve Component of an Armed Force at the beginning of a period of war or national emergency declared by Congress, or if I become a member during that period, my military service may be extended without my consent until six (6) months after the end of that period of war.

c. As a member of a Reserve Component, in time of war or national emergency declared by the Congress, I may be required to serve on active duty (other than for training) for the entire period of the war or emergency and for six (6) months after its end.

d. As a member of the Ready Reserve I may be required to perform active duty or active duty for training without my consent (other than as provided in item 8 of this document) as follows:

(1) in time of national emergency declared by the President of the United States, I may be ordered to active duty (other than for training) for not more than 24 consecutive months.

(2) I may be ordered to active duty for 24 months, and my enlistment may be extended so I can complete 24 months of active duty, if:

(a) I am not assigned to, or participating satisfactorily in, a unit of the Ready Reserve; and

(b) I have not met my Reserve obligation; and

(c) I have not served on active duty for a total of 24 months.

(3) I may be ordered to perform additional active duty training for not more than 45 days if I have not fulfilled my military service obligation and fail in any year to perform the required training duty satisfactorily. If the failure occurs during the last year of my required membership in the Ready Reserve, my enlistment may be extended until I perform that additional duty, but not for more than six months.

(4) When determined by the President that it is necessary to support any operational mission, I may be ordered to active duty as prescribed by law, if I am a member of the Selected Reserve.

[juggalonic]

Generally speaking, officers only need to worry about getting stabbed in the back by other officers, especially in the surface community.

  Damn right.  The biggest bus that ever ran me over was driven by a Conventional SWO who was smiling the whole time.... nothing a few torpedoes can't fix.

[pirate1965]

Class 8407
Orlando Fl
Promoted to E4 following completion of NNPS
20K reenlistment bonus 1987
I don't know why you would doubt this?
Back in the 80s we got E4 following A school now the have to wait to finish NPS and the get E5 following Prototype what is so outrageous.

[trollarc]

Why didnt they give me a sword when I was in? maybe they didn't like the sight of blood.
Anyways it was worth it to get even though I am only making $29 a hour right now. Yes, that is less than what the navy paid me. Yes, I have debts and things that cost money that I want. No, I am not sick to my stomach with stress. No money is worth giving up a couple years. It wasn't for me for whatever reason.
Now if you are in and like it good for you. Good luck.

[service]

After your enlistment if you reenlist at the 2-year mark, you automatically get promoted to E-5.