Where to begin...
Quote from: daxdaxdax on Today at 04:23 PM
The facts are simple, I went to the recruiting office to get my bachelors done.
Well, that's quite possibly the dumbest thing I've ever read. Most reasonably intelligent people enroll in a University to complete their degrees; they go to military recruiting offices to volunteer to serve their country. Do you think that enlisted service is a vocational program for undergraduate degrees? Is your vision of a Navy Sailor that of someone who puts on a uniform to walk around college universities at taxpayer's expense
Spekkio... my dear belligerent judgmental friend... I have nothing. I do not have a car. I do not have a rich girlfriend or wife. I live alone in what I could afford. I do not have a house. I do not have a home to go to where family or friends are. I do not have a single relative in the US to go to. I do not have any savings of my own or any type of financial aid from any of my parents/uncles/relatives in general. No financial aid from the government. Whatever college I did get, I got thanks in part to my dad, and thanks in part to my ingenuity of creating a business out of nothing at all in Nicaragua. All this is because the countries I was raised in were not my own... and my father or mother didn't have the delicacy of legalize me in those countries. Therefor I am now a foreign in my own country.
Spekkio... I don't give up. I persevere... I will not quit what I started. I came here to finish that; my career. And that's what I'm going to do. Albeit I had to get everything else done first. I'll try and see the dumb in my decision. I guess you have some greater right or power, of some sort, to judge others in their decisions of joining the NAVY. Anyway since I couldn't pay for college I went for the next big thing; the promise of NUPOC from within. And I also figured the 96 credits of the NUC school and my 149 credits of chemical engineer could possibly sum up to something solid I could use to validate some career like a bachelors in science. Maybe some day I share your brain power and I'll be capable of understanding that dumb decision I made because it eludes me at this moment. I doubt it though, your brain power seems on a level very much insurmountable.
I came here, june 2012, and the first few days I settled down with someone I had already arranged with, where I would crash in a deadbeat room for 300 bucks a month. Two weeks had passed and I still couldn't get a job. So I did what I could and I started picking up trash in residential neighborhoods. I would go on the days that they clean out the houses so I could pick their stuff up and clean it to go sell in a Hatian flea market 5 miles away. When I wasn't doing that I was picking up aluminum cans from the streets aswel as scrap metal to sell, and when I wasn't doing that I was selling mangos and water in the street lights and crossroads during mid day and the hours of the afternoon. All of this walking and if I could afford it, in bus. Using the internet, when I needed it, from the library 3 miles away. By this time I had already walked 14 miles to get to the recruiting office and did what I already told you. I preferred to save those 4 bucks than going on bus which I could have.
I managed to buy a bicycle for 7 dollars and a very good laptop for 120, with what I made out of selling other peoples trash. Then I started frequenting burger king where I could use free wi-fi, and drink for free. I had already applied to every single store around the shopping malls and plazas around my apartment/room including this same BK, but a month and a half had gone by and I still hadn't been contacted. I was then minding my own business on the pc when I notice one of the managers comes out and starts fixing the coke machines outside and trying to see their level of ice. When some hooligan scrams through the door and in a crazy rage gets pissed at this lady spits at her and takes out a knife. I stood up as soon as he had spit and I had already fastened a chair by the back by the time he was taking out the knife. I had the chair in mid air and was advancing towards him, he readily gave away some insults and left without further ado. I then landed the job as a BK crew member. This lady manager happened to be the store manager. I entered as a part time employee. I was getting 40 hours straight each week after the first. One month hadn't gone by when the district manager offered me to become an assistant manager myself.
I then got kicked out of the room/apartment I was in because he started raising the amount I had to pay and I didn't even have a bathroom. So I moved 10 miles away from my job in the verge of becoming manager with hardly any money, lets not even say the lease. Fortunately I did meet someone kind enough to take me in and give me a hand in this time. So now started the 4 month period in which I would drive on my bike 10 miles to go to work 1:05 hours, and 10 to come back, every day. And I got stuck with the night shift. So that meant I was going at night and was coming back in the very early morning.
I will not delve any further in this matter. But I will tell you I have managed myself very well now and quit BK to start a job in which I'm making more monthly than what I'm going to be making as an E-3.
"daxdaxdax: I did not know where else an officer recruiting office would be"
Well, if only there was this thing called the internet where you could search for one.
Heavy pointed out something stupid that I should of gone to an officer recruiting office. Turns out my Navy recruiting office works recruiting both. And my NUC chief considered me for the NUPOC if it weren't for the fact that my college is foreign. It's easy how you give things like the internet for granted... I figure you would have walked the 6 miles to get to the library and back and used the 2 hours of free internet they give you for the sole purpose of making sure what you want... turns out I did. And dealt with everything else too.
"daxdaxdax: but I made myself clear to my recruiter. I saw a program I liked which is NUPOC and my recruiter lied to me telling me I could access it from within. I believed in him"
Again, it's your recruiters job to get you to enlist in the Navy. Your recruiter may have mislead you, but that's probably because he doesn't know the answers that you seek, again because it's not his job to know. You asking the enlisted recruiter for information about NUPOC is akin to asking a dentist for information about laser eye surgery or a barber for information on how to file taxes.
The basics of what he said is true -- it is possible, albeit highly improbable as a first-tour nuke, for you to finish a degree in your spare time and on your own dime as an enlisted Sailor and apply for OCS from within the Navy.
It is also possible to be accepted into STA-21 from the pipeline, albeit highly competitive and not in your cards if you don't have a 3.3+ avg from your university, are in the top of your class at power school, and kickass SAT scores.
It is not possible for you to do NUPOC specifically, because a part of NUPOC is that you collect an E-6 salary while finishing college that you are currently enrolled in. You will already be enlisted in the Navy, and not enrolled in a university, so that doesn't apply to you. But from your enlisted recruiter's perspective, he doesn't know, isn't required to know, and doesn't care about the nuances between NUPOC and a traditional OCS commissioning application from within the Navy.
So your recruiter wasn't being a sleaze-ball liar. He was telling you information that is mostly true to the best of his ability. He just wasn't telling you that it has a low probability of occurring.
I talked to my NAVY officer recruiter and the Chief in the recruiting office and turns out I can accede the equivalent program for Nuclear Propulsion Officer from within the NUC school specially if I have so many credits and I manage to translate just the Calculus and Physics. Which I have. My GPA is 3.5+ And the classes I'm on are the ones I don't care for like history and such. I have all my chemistry, physics, and calculus classes 3.7+ GPA. I don't care any names as long as I can complete my purpose. So again he didn't lie. And yes he has a compromise with me to inform me properly. So he cannot deceive me, which up until this point he hasn't. I did have doubt with some of your answers and had to deal with it directly with the bosses. They have clarified all my doubts.
"daxdaxdax: Just for the record I'm not going to do 149 credits of a career to not finish it, I'm just saying."
Oh really? You're not currently enrolled in a university, are you? By definition that is the opposite of 'finishing it.'
Patience is a virtue. I will finish it. I might become sleepless... I might sweat... I may cry... but... I will finish it! It was never in my interests to quit college. But I had no choice. You see some of us aren't lucky enough to have a supporting family. In any case I will persevere as I have said before. I have vision... it seems you lack of it if you think not being enrolled in college now is an impediment.
"daxdaxdax: It's simple I'm not satisfied with the fact that my recruiter is lying about facts just to get me to enlist. I do not, also, bare the thought of the US government condoning in this type of sleazy behavior. Yes this is something that would make some people mad."
Yes, it makes simple-minded people with no sense of personal accountability mad. We have too many of those people nowadays.
Wow... teach me oh wise master for I am just a grass hopper in the vast field that is life. He did not lie or mislead me, you guys are making no sense in what you are writing and I was dumb enough to be misguided by this first hand, instead of making logic first and getting all my facts straight. So yeah I'm becoming an Officer from within.
"daxdaxdax: Why do you even make arguments based on how well I structure my sentences and use the different language rules and periods if you yourself miss so many times to use proper grammar and capital letters? Really? Are you 12?"
Because as an officer you will do a lot of writing. You have to write quarterly assessments of your monitoring programs. Your Eng may task you to write part of the Richardson letter. You have to write mission reports. You have to contribute to the semi-annual CO assessment. You have to revise instructions. You have to review/write messages when things break. You have to write exercise reports.
No, he used this as an argument because he has no argument whatsoever to criticize me so. It is also inconsistent to use this as an argument and have errors yourself. You are trying to prove a point. You can't prove a point if you fail in the same basis of the argument you are making. I will do more than fine as an officer with my current english. And if I feel flaky I will strive to make it better.
"After reading these posts, I don't want you in my Navy, period, let alone as a commissioned Officer. Your whole motivation for seeking a commission is entirely selfish and based upon the college degree that you can't afford right now. I don't want someone like you on my boat contaminating the crew's minds on how you got hosed by a recruiter when the reality is that you couldn't figure out how to type a few words into a google search, are belligerent to people who want to help you, and cannot accept the simple fact that you were not eligible for a commissioning program when you visited the recruiter.
NUPOC/OCS requires that you are enrolled in a university or already have a degree.
NROTC requires that you are enrolled in a university.
USNA requires appointment through a fairly stringent application process.
See a trend? Commissioning programs are available for people who have demonstrated to the military that they are college material."
Your comments are completely extremist and biased. You show such level of immaturity writing that I wonder how you managed to get in the Navy... Again who are you to judge me for my intentions in joining? Sorry I keep forgetting. I was not tricked I was just mislead by your comments in how I was going to become an officer.
If you want to help me don't write judgmental comments use constructive ones.
I'm just trying to point out my determination in finishing my career. I will achieve anything that I set my mind on... based on this I can easily predict that unfortunately for you, it seems as you will have me as a commissioned officer. I don't care to what program I was commissioned to. I know how to deal with my life well enough as to know how and when to deal with my issues and projects. And I know how and when I will become an officer and by what means I will achieve this also. I want to know that the NAVY is backing me up here because that's the reason I joined, and I'm happy to know that they are.
I did not write this because you might care what I write or even the circumstances by which I ended up here. I write this because you are so fast to judge me that you show the least of maturity and account for not in the least a valuable opinion or in that matter criticism. Your comments should be discarded as what they are; the most hate based, immature, useless opinions and biased thoughts I have ever seen. All your arguments seem so foolish and all this judgement from your part is so ridiculous that I just had to give you a little proof of how wrong you can be on judging someone so easily. I also wrote this because you did not give me any useful advice.
P.S.: My first language is Spanish. English is my second and yet I don't bother to use the spellchecker.
P.P.S.: Not everything is black and white Speck.
P.P.P.S.: When I have my Officer graduation pictures I'll post them here.