All right, Enlightened One, here come the training wheels for you...
If I am a six-and-out person? Where would you get that information from? Perhaps from all of the voluminous reading you've done on this website? I'm guessing (and this is just a guess) that a considerable percentage of the material you've read on this site consists of your own writing. There are almost 100,000 posts in this forum; as for myself, I read thousands and thousands of them before I ever made my first post here. Had you done something similar to that yourself, it would have been very obvious (because that ridiculous statement above would have never been posted). But instead, it has become apparent on this forum that your main interest is simply the sound of your own voice.
did I specifically point you out?
no. I merely stated that the Navy isn't for everybody. At no point did I knock upon the "6 & Out" person. It is a general statement based on the enormous amounts of people posting that are quite obviously 1st timers. Again, nothing wrong with that. Do your time and happy sailing to ya in the rest of your endeavours.
I don't understand you point in the above quote. What is it exactly?
Seems like you are more interesting in discreditting me, and my opposite views. Sorry I cannot conform to your Negative (popular) viewing of the Star Program.
I appologize for the apparent offense I have somehow given you. You are right though, that does sound pretty good in the apparent vastness of my cranial cavity.
Are you a 6 & Out'er?
I'm going to list for you some examples of benefits which can be had from waiting to reenlist. And depending on the individual involved in the decision-making at the time, some of the things below can actually be more important than the extra money the Navy gives you. You should open your mind at this point to the fact that not everyone on the planet worships at the altar of Direct Deposit (nor should they have to).
please re-read my last post.
I like that..."Alter of Direct Deposit". You are right, there is more to re-enlistment than the Almighty Dollar. I am pretty sure I pointed out a few other reasons to Star other than $$$.
Perhaps you glossed over them?
Case #1: Individual chooses to hold off on reenlisting, in order to use it as a bargaining chip to help in negotiating a set of follow-on orders that the individual would like.
true. no argument there. How do you think I got my current Shore Duty?...but I did it as a Zone B, not Zone A...long story, but basically I was on a boat for too long
Case #2: Individual chooses to hold off on reenlisting, in order to preserve his/her option to get out of the Navy if the only follow-on orders to be offered aren't worth staying in for (in that person's eyes), even with the extra money.
again, read my prior post(s). Lose/Lose in my eyes, but I've seen it happen.
Case #3: Individual chooses to hold off on reenlisting, because they have a situation going on with their family; depending on the outcome of the family situation, reenlisting may or may not be a very, very bad (or good) thing. However, the decision cannot be made promptly at the two-year point because the situation has not worked itself out at home yet; there just isn't sufficient information at the present time to make an all-around, well-informed decision.
nice generalization. this is a very specific and rare case. It does happen. Anybody with Sea time has seen similar issues. But for the everyday sailor, it isn't an issue
I bolded my words
Go on ahead and ask me if I made any of those cases up... Certainly, the individuals in each case above made fewer than the absolute maximum number of dollar bills that they possibly could have made; but for every individual I've known that fell into one of the cases above, they got something even more important than the money by waiting - they got the freedom to do whatever they damn well wanted to do (or not do) with their reenlistment. Some things are more important to some people than money. Does that fact bother you? Does it strike you as a crying shame that these people get to make decisions like that for themselves, instead of you making their decisions for them - what with your "both sides" enlightenment and all? And shouldn't it seem obvious to everyone that you ought to have the authority to reenlist any sailor in the nuclear Navy at their 2-year point, because you and only you have all of the right answers; you and only you possess sufficient wisdom to see that it's utterly stupid for anybody to not reenlist at their two year point?
you are so self-righteous that you are perverting my words. You obviously never read my prior posts. You see certain key words that clicked in your head and trigger an immediate attack reflex. And now you are convinced that I am the Super-diggit who is out to subvert every Baby Nuke out there.
Get over yourself. Read my posts. Feel free to comprehend what they say...don't generalize and gloss over my words to help you achieve your predetermined conclusion about what I am saying.
I presented the other side of the coin. I have previously and still continue to say the Navy isn't for everybody. But...it does have some very very big benefits for those who work 'em to their advantage.
My opening sentence could use some work...sorry about that one. But the rest of my posts were spot on.
Is that a universal statement, or are the pissants in your camp specifically excluded? Is this how you convince people of the merits of your conclusions? I certainly applaud your convictions, but get a grip on the fact that somebody can disagree with you and not be completely out of their senses.
I'm coming down hard on you mainly because you are self-aggrandizing and are making broad, general put-downs. If you clean up your act, you'll see a completely different side of me. I can (and have) encouraged several people to reenlist in the nuclear Navy - and I did it without slinging the putrid crap you're slinging.
- Greg
Shall I dig out the dictionary as well. The "pissants" I spoke of are...well essentially what you are presenting.
You are so set in your self-righteous ways, that you see what I am saying as a personal attack upon everything you hold near and dear.
Not so.
I've said it several times now...but I'll say it again. Feel free to reread, and actually comprehend what I've said. I have not attacked anybody. Perhaps my frustration with the stupidity of some comments came accross.
Basically, what you are posting on, and subsequently attacking me about is exactly the sort of stuff I deal with everyday.
I understand if it ain't for you. But please don't ruin the guy coming along behind or with you. Allow that person to reach their decision by themselves.
Give 'em your perspective. They need to see both sides...but quite a few of the posts here are exactly what I am talking above. I raised the dissenting point, and suddenly I am the devil. Sorry...not.
We've all seen the SNOB (Shortest Nuke on Board) and his little crowd of underlings eagerly awaiting the turnover. They make life miserable for the Baby Nukes, and ridicule all who choose the Star Path. People who Star, or stay Navy are labeled as "Chumps", "Tools", "Fools". It quite frankly gets old see that kind of peer pressure ruin people who could have had a good career.
Baby Nukes need to hear it all. Bashing upon them, and people like myself is crap.
Razzing somebody who disagree's with you is pure bull. I'm not sure what your Leadership experience is, but I deal with this Situation fairly often. I often see young sailors who are confused about their career paths.
Every time I get a new sailor I sit them down and go over their career and their intentions. For those who are getting out, I go through the usual spiel and make 'em listen to it 1 time. I present all of their options. They may not want to hear it, but it has to be done. Not everybody has a game plan for getting out.
If they are still adamant, so be it. I will bring the subject up at Eval time, and during Career review boards. But I respect their decision, and pretty much let it go at that.
But they at least get a fair shake.
If you are going to defend your position from my post, please leave the emotions at the door. I didn't come across very well, but hopefully I have rectified that.