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STA-21 Personal Statement help??
« on: Mar 16, 2010, 06:59 »
I am in the process of applying for STA-21, but have run into a HUGE road block; the Personal Statement. I've written more drafts than my computer can save, and deleted twice that number already. I find it very difficult to write about myself, but even harder when I have NO idea what they are looking for?

Should I brag about myself and how amazing I am? Should I simply state WHY I choose to be a nuke, why the Navy and why I want to be an officer in the nuclear Navy? Should I do a combination of all? I have one draft I keep referring back to, but it is vastly incomplete and I'm unsure if it's even good enough.

I've learned in my military career, both Army and Naval, that asking for assistance is better than not doing so, hence the reason I made this post. If anyone has some free time, and is willing, I would much appreciate some helpful hints and tips. I'm also willing to email the draft I am currently working on, and keep going back to, to someone for some dissection. I am not looking for grammatical and punctual form/assistance, just as to weather it has potential, is it too long, etc?

Thank you to those who read this, and good luck to those going through the same dilemma/process.

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Re: STA-21 Personal Statement help??
« Reply #1 on: Mar 16, 2010, 07:13 »
I can't offer any advice, since I never had to do this, but there is a plethora of people here who have so I am sure you will get a lot of help. I just wanted to say good luck and keep us posted!

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Re: STA-21 Personal Statement help??
« Reply #2 on: Mar 16, 2010, 07:26 »

Should I brag about myself and how amazing I am? Should I simply state WHY I choose to be a nuke, why the Navy and why I want to be an officer in the nuclear Navy? Should I do a combination of all? I have one draft I keep referring back to, but it is vastly incomplete and I'm unsure if it's even good enough.


You should use a combination of them all.  Don't be afraid to tell the board "how amazing" you are.  If you don't think you are amazing why would the board.  You should also talk about your educational experience, this includes justifying any bad grades.  Talk about past military experiences and why/how they make you a good candidate but I wouldn't focus on the Army stuff because it won't apply much to being a Nuclear Officer.  Definitely talk about why you want to be a Nuclear Officer.

Your focus should be on why you want to be a Nuclear Officer and why you should be selected for the program.  I will try to locate my personal statement from a few years back and I'll send it to you if I find it. Good Luck.

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Re: STA-21 Personal Statement help??
« Reply #3 on: Mar 16, 2010, 10:02 »
Just to add... your personal statement is only a portion of the package.  Make sure your complete package supports your personal statement. For example, if you didn't do so well in high school then take some college, if possible, or submit an ACT score with Math and Reading above 30 for each. This will show improvement and aptitude. I would not stop taking the ACT until you get a 60 combined, if you can't get this score then so be it but I think it is good to shoot for this number.  I was less than 60 the first year I applied, got turned down and was above 60 when I was selected. Also, don't say your an outstanding Sailor and submit below average evaluations.  It is also good to include volunteer projects that you have participated in.  This will show that you are well rounded and can focus on other tasks besides work.

I have yet to find my statement from when I got accepted but if I do I will send it to you so you can see an example. Once again good luck.
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Re: STA-21 Personal Statement help??
« Reply #4 on: Mar 17, 2010, 11:29 »
Although I can't offer any assistance, I have to say that you seem like an excellent candidate from your postings here.
I wish you only the best on your application, and your career in the Navy.

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Re: STA-21 Personal Statement help??
« Reply #5 on: Mar 17, 2010, 11:44 »
I am in the process of applying for STA-21, but have run into a HUGE road block; the Personal Statement. I've written more drafts than my computer can save, and deleted twice that number already. I find it very difficult to write about myself, but even harder when I have NO idea what they are looking for?

Should I brag about myself and how amazing I am? Should I simply state WHY I choose to be a nuke, why the Navy and why I want to be an officer in the nuclear Navy? Should I do a combination of all? I have one draft I keep referring back to, but it is vastly incomplete and I'm unsure if it's even good enough.

I've learned in my military career, both Army and Naval, that asking for assistance is better than not doing so, hence the reason I made this post. If anyone has some free time, and is willing, I would much appreciate some helpful hints and tips. I'm also willing to email the draft I am currently working on, and keep going back to, to someone for some dissection. I am not looking for grammatical and punctual form/assistance, just as to weather it has potential, is it too long, etc?

Thank you to those who read this, and good luck to those going through the same dilemma/process.
Recommendations:
1.  If you have relatives that are officers and you'd like to follow in their footsteps, mention it.
2.  Find the package of somebody previously selected and emulate the tone of their letter without plagiarizing.
3.  Ensure that you meld the virtues you've learned in the service with how you would pay the navy back.  In other words if you admire a particular officer, think of the things that make you admire him (or her) and make the reader see them as your traits or aspirations, and then explain how you will pass them along to others.

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Re: STA-21 Personal Statement help??
« Reply #6 on: Mar 17, 2010, 06:25 »
Thanks to all for the pointers. I should have what I feel to be a decent first draft done by tomorrow's night, and will email it to those who provided an email.

Again, thanks to all, and a safe St. Patty's Day to all....bottoms up!!

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Re: STA-21 Personal Statement help??
« Reply #7 on: Mar 19, 2010, 04:40 »
I know I'm a little late to the discussion, but I ran into the same issue when I was drafting my personal statement. I decided that it would be best to write about why I desired to become a nuclear officer and left my personal achievements to my letters of recommendation. I had several LORs...three of them were from high ranking individuals to provide a little backing for my application (Army Lt Col, Navy Commander, Navy Captain, though all are retired) as well as a couple of the Lieutenants that I worked for to provide some first hand experience of what I had accomplished while working for them. Since your paper can be only one page in length, there isn't a lot of room to say everything that you want, so I tried to maximize how much information about me was in my package overall.

The only avenue in which you can talk about your own experiences/perceptions and how they molded your desire to become an officer is in that statement. Use LORs to let others brag on you. Your strengths will come across as a more honest evaluation if they're being said by someone else. My CO's interview took care of my past grade issues. It helped that he was very engaged in the process and had taken the time to comb through my package prior to the interview and write down key points on a pad that he referenced during my interview. I'm assuming that my college was one of those points :-/.

I believe that your personal statement and your ability to interview well are the most important parts of the entire process. I didn't have an outstanding ACT score, didn't break any records at Powerschool or Prototype, and even had a <2.0 college GPA. Yet, here I am, writing you from NSI and ready to start school in the summer....

I would love to see a copy of your personal statement and offer any input that I can.

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Re: STA-21 Personal Statement help??
« Reply #8 on: Mar 20, 2010, 06:40 »
I may just post what I have for a draft of my personal statment up on this board, and have everyone go at it. I take very well to critism, and you guys/gals are the pro's. Hopefully I can get it to where I am happy with it tonight, for a draft anyway.

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Re: STA-21 Personal Statement help??
« Reply #9 on: Mar 21, 2010, 09:50 »
If anyone gets bored, or just feels like tearing this apart, here is a copy of what I have of a Personal Statement. I'm still working on it, but I have no idea what they are looking for so I'm basically writing in the blind. If it's all wrong, don't be afraid to say it.

Dear Sir or Madam,

My name is (name). I am a Machinists Mate Third Class and I am requesting admission into the Seaman to Admiral 21 program. I am a 25-year-old male who has served his country for six years as a member of the Army and Pennsylvania Army National Guard. I was deployed from October of 2004 until February of 2006 in support of Operation Enduring Freedom, based out of Camp Bondsteel, Kosovo. I was honorably discharged from the Army National Guard in January 2008, having fully completed my obligatory contract. In the short time that I was out of the military, I began missing the camaraderie and the feeling of serving my country and decided to reenlist. I chose the Nuclear Navy because the hard work and dedication required of the job pairs well with my professional work ethic.

As my young career has matured, leadership roles have gravitated toward me. For example, in the Navy, I was appointed the roles of Class Leader for Class 0954A and Section Leader for T-Track from January 16 to March 24, 2010. In the Army I was a Non-Commissioned Officer in charge of our many convoy escorts while deployed. In my civilian job, I was a leading laborer for a construction company working on multi-million dollar bridges and roadways. I’ve enjoyed these leadership roles, albeit challenging, and found them to be rewarding. They have allowed me the opportunity to mentor others, to solve problems, to address issues, and to be looked to by my peers for advice and knowledge. I am a prime candidate to become an officer of the Nuclear Navy because of the experiences I had working for multiple supervisors in my civilian job; the lessons I learned while under several commands in the Army; and the lessons I learned while in leadership roles in the Navy. It is from these rewarding feelings, challenges, and standards that make me want to become an officer in the Nuclear Navy.

If selected into the Seaman to Admiral 21 program, my relentless, professional work ethic will be used to uphold the standards of the Navy, an Officer, a leader, and a mentor. I will be a model for both younger and older sailors. But, with all good credentials, there come some negatives. I am in the Navy under a waiver for my age, and a waiver for an error in judgment when I was 18 involving the Pennsylvania State Police.



Goobs - One of my strong points happens to be my ability to talk to people, regardless of rank/color/gender/species/etc. I am only submitting two or three L.O.R.'s. I do not want my prior army service to be a major point in me getting in to the program. I want to be selected because I'm a STRONG leader, I'm a professional, and I'm just plain BADA$$. I feel that the two or three LOR's I submit will state my strong abilities of a leader. One from an LDO ensign, one from a 7 year chief, and one from my SSG (E-6) who was my Section Leader overseas.

Thank you again, to all who have helped. The advice received on this forum is simply amazing! Keep up the good work guys.
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Re: STA-21 Personal Statement help??
« Reply #10 on: Mar 21, 2010, 08:57 »
One thing I noticed is you capitalized Officer in one of the last sentences and not in the body.  Capitalize it everywhere. Also I would leave out the age and cop stuff. If you have waivers and what not the board will know, no reason to bring it up again. Focus on the positives.  One other thing I noticed is you talked a lot about how you are qualified to be an Officer but not so much about why you want to be an Officer. 

"I feel that the two or three LOR's I submit will state my strong abilities of a leader. One from an LDO ensign, one from a 7 year chief, and one from my SSG (E-6) who was my Section Leader overseas."
You spoke earlier of LOR's from O-4's and above. I would include those more so than those mentioned above as they will have more pull with the board. Its like asking the Chief's board to listen to an LOR from an E-5. Any LOR for an Officer package should come from an Officer.

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« Reply #11 on: Mar 22, 2010, 07:30 »
Thank you to all for all the help. If someone would mention how to give someone Karma, I will be certain to do so.

Again, thank you to all. I've found some VERY strong points in all you have said, and hope to incorporate some of them into my statement. I will be certain to keep this board updated on my progress.

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Re: STA-21 Personal Statement help??
« Reply #12 on: Mar 22, 2010, 07:57 »
Thank you to all for all the help. If someone would mention how to give someone Karma, I will be certain to do so.

Again, thank you to all. I've found some VERY strong points in all you have said, and hope to incorporate some of them into my statement. I will be certain to keep this board updated on my progress.

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« Reply #13 on: Mar 22, 2010, 07:58 »
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Re: STA-21 Personal Statement help??
« Reply #14 on: Mar 23, 2010, 08:04 »
So I took some of the advice from all who have given it. This is the draft I currently have.

My name is ...... I am a Machinists Mate Third Class and I am requesting admission into the Seaman to Admiral 21 program. I am a 25-year-old male who has served his country for six years as a member of the Army and Pennsylvania Army National Guard. I was deployed from October 2004 until February 2006 in support of Operation Enduring Freedom, based out of Camp Bondsteel, Kosovo. I was honorably discharged from the Army National Guard in January 2008. In the short time I was out of the military, I began missing the camaraderie and the feeling of serving my country and decided to re-enlist. I chose the Nuclear Navy because the hard work and dedication required of the job pairs well with my work ethic.

As my career has matured, I have sought out leadership roles. In the Navy, I was the Class Leader for Class 0954A and Section Leader for T-Track from January 16 to March 24, 2010. In the Army I was a Non-Commissioned Officer in charge of convoy escorts while deployed. In my civilian job, I was a leading laborer for a construction company working on multi-million dollar bridges and roadways. I have enjoyed these leadership roles, I have found them challenging, and I have found them to be rewarding. They have allowed me the opportunity to mentor others, to solve problems, to address issues, and to be looked to by my peers for advice and knowledge.

In my time in the military, I have found the importance of strong leadership. My experiences in leadership roles have only strengthened my resolve to serve with honor and to lead with integrity and a sense or purpose. If selected into the Seaman to Admiral 21 program, my relentless, professional work ethic will be used to uphold the standards of the Navy, an Officer, a leader, and a mentor. I will be a model for both younger and older sailors. I am ready for the challenges of the Seaman to Admiral 21 program has to offer. Thank you for your time.




As always, any input is more than welcome, it's needed! Thanks again to all who have lent a hand and taken the time out of their days to do so.
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Re: STA-21 Personal Statement help??
« Reply #15 on: Mar 23, 2010, 09:35 »
This is all based on things that I've read and my own experience with the process. There is also a fair dash of my opinion in there. Now that my disclaimer is out of the way....

Maybe its just me, but it seems strange to talk about your career maturing and then listing your experiences in reverse chronological order. If it was me (and this is purely my opinion), I would start my list of experience with my civilian work, followed by my Navy time, and conclude with your time spent in the Guard. Your time in the Guard is going to be the biggest factor separating you from the rest of the students who are applying and listing it last will cause the reader to remember that data point the most (which is what you want, really). When you list your "resume", you said "I was *X*, I was *Y*, and I was *Z*". Try to mix up your wording (I served as, I was assigned to....) to keep from sounding repetitive.

Machinist's mate has an apostrophe, I believe.

Another big point that I noticed in the process was the fact that I mentioned that I have aspirations to be in command in my personal statement. It became the topic of discussion in two of my three interviews as well as when my OIC was approving my request chit. The Navy is looking for career minded guys (again, just something I've read) so if you aspire to be in command, then you should say so.

It may be too late in the game for my next point to be of use, but I really geared my personal statement towards being a submarine officer vice a nuclear officer which I believe helped me a great deal. A former officer on this site was kind enough to send me a message from his experiences of sitting these boards and the most profound thing he said to me was this:

"Don't forget, we're on warships, not underway prototypes.  Chiefs are more concerned about getting the weekly PMS complete, while officers are more concerned with getting on station and completing the mission.  There's another half of the submarine that's not nuclear power, and that is what our job is about.  Warheads on mother [expletive] foreheads. "

I think that the above statement was probably meant more as advice for the interview process, but I wove it into my statement to really reinforce why I desire to be a sub officer. The nuke thing is just a means to an end as far as the warfighting platform goes.

I hope this helps you some. Its difficult for me to relate this too much to my own experience since I didn't apply as a student in the pipeline (I had been a SPU for roughly a year and a half when I applied, so I was able to use my experiences in working alongside different officers and my time as a nuke to support my desires) so I know this is pretty tough for you. I don't know how much my viewpoint helps you out as we were in two different situations at the time of application. If you can gain anything from my rambling then it will have served its purpose.

This is a sweet program and is serving a huge benefit to me and my family. Good luck.

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Re: STA-21 Personal Statement help??
« Reply #16 on: Mar 24, 2010, 06:52 »
Thank you goobs. I'll post the next revision soon.

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Re: STA-21 Personal Statement help??
« Reply #17 on: Mar 25, 2010, 07:42 »
I am finding this personal statement to be very, VERY difficult. With that being said, he is another draft I've come up with. All input is welcome, the good, and the bad. Please, don't be nice or sugar coat any advice, brutally honest is all I'm lookin for.

thanks to all, yet again, for the help and assistance.

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Having served my country for six years as a member of the Army and Pennsylvania Army National Guard, I have found the importance of strong leadership. A strong leader has the ability to think clearly under stressful conditions, remain calm in times of panic, provide guidance, and be a model for both younger and older sailors. Strong leaders assist others through the knowledge they have learned from years of experience. I aspire to be that strong leader, in command of a submarine for the United States Navy.

Through my career, both military and civilian, I have become a strong leader. As a civilian, I was a leading laborer for a construction company building multi-million dollar bridges and roadways. In the Army, I volunteered for several extra duties and missions, aside from the normal duties of a Petroleum Supply Specialist. While deployed to Kosovo, I was a Non-Commissioned Officer in charge of convoy escorts. I was instrumental in ensuring our equipment was maintained and mission ready. I also volunteered to take charge of many protection details of MWR acts, such as the band ‘Lit’, the Miami Dolphins Cheerleaders, numerous comedians and magicians, and other important figures. In the short time I’ve spent in the Navy, I was the class leader for class 0954A, and a section leader for T-Track from January 16 to March 24, 2010. As the class leader of 0954A, I devoted extra hours outside of class to ensure all of my classmates could pass their exams and PFA, while maintaining above a 3.5 average. I made it a goal to have each and every one of us walk across the stage as Petty Officer Third Class Machinist’s Mates. I am pleased to say that my dedication paid off. As a section leader for T-Track, I was responsible for the accountability of nearly 350 sailors, as well as taking on the additional role of the Mail Petty Officer.

My leadership experiences have only strengthened my resolve to not only serve with honor, but to lead with integrity and a sense of purpose. I re-enlisted into the United States Navy with the intent to become an Officer. I have enjoyed the leadership roles I have had and found them to be rewarding. I have enjoyed the challenges and the opportunity to mentor others, to solve problems, and to be looked to for knowledge and advice by my peers. The Seaman to Admiral 21 program will present many more challenges; challenges of which I am prepared to face. It will allow me the opportunity to become an Officer in the United States Navy and will put me one step closer to being in command of a submarine.

My credentials are strong and plentiful but waivers would be required for my entrance into the Seaman to Admiral 21 program. I would like to respectfully request waivers for my age, and for an error in judgment when I was 18 years old involving the Pennsylvania State Police.


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Re: STA-21 Personal Statement help??
« Reply #18 on: Mar 25, 2010, 07:58 »



Having served my country for six years as a member of the Army and Pennsylvania Army National Guard, I have found the importance of strong leadership. A strong leader has the ability to think clearly under stressful conditions, remain calm in times of panic, provide guidance, and be a model for both younger and older sailors. Strong leaders assist others through the knowledge they have learned from years of experience. I aspire to be that strong leader, in command of a submarine for the United States Navy.

Through my career, both military and civilian, I have become a strong leader. I think you are contradicting yourself here, either you are a strong leader or you want to be a strong leaderAs a civilian, I was a leading laborer for a construction company building multi-million dollar bridges and roadways. In the Army, I volunteered for several extra duties and missions, aside from the normal duties of a Petroleum Supply Specialist. While deployed to Kosovo, I was a Non-Commissioned Officer in charge of convoy escorts. I was instrumental in ensuring our convoyequipment was maintained properlyand mission ready. I also volunteered to take charge of many protection details of MWR acts, such as the band ‘Lit’, the Miami Dolphins Cheerleaders, numerous comedians and magicians, and other important figures. In the short time I’ve spent in the Navy, I was the class leader for class 0954A, and a section leader for T-Track from January 16 to March 24, 2010. As the class leader of 0954A, I devoted extra hours outside of class to ensure all of my classmates could pass their exams and PFA, while maintaining above a 3.5 average. I made it a goal to have each and every one of us walk across the stage as Petty Officer Third Class Machinist’s Mates. I am pleased to say that my dedication paid off. As a section leader for T-Track, I was responsible for the accountability of nearly 350 sailors, as well as taking on the additional role of the Mail Petty Officer.

My leadership experiences have only strengthened my resolve to not only serve with honor, but to lead with integrity and a sense of purpose. I re-enlisted into the United States Navy with the intent to become an Officer. I have enjoyed the leadership roles I have had and found them to be rewarding. I have enjoyed the challenges and the opportunity to mentor others, to solve problems, and to be looked to for knowledge and advice by my peers. The Seaman to Admiral 21 program will present many more challenges; challenges of which I am prepared to face. It will allow me the opportunity to become an Officer in the United States Navy and will put me one step closer to being in command of a submarine.

My credentials are strong and plentiful but waivers would be required for my entrance into the Seaman to Admiral 21 program. I would like to respectfully request waivers for my age, and for an error in judgment when I was 18 years old involving the Pennsylvania State Police.



I think you have made some really good improvements from your first draft.  Keep up the hard work.  Don't forget to prepare for interviews that will be coming soon.

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Re: STA-21 Personal Statement help??
« Reply #19 on: Mar 25, 2010, 09:23 »
You are sweating this personal statement too much.  A poorly written personal statement will ensure you do not get selected, however a good one does not guarantee success either.  The board is going to read hundreds of these.  Your statement is already good enough. 

What really matters is your command ranking.  Where the NNPTC CO ranks you in comparison to the other NNPTC applicants will ultimately determine whether you get selected or not.

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Re: STA-21 Personal Statement help??
« Reply #20 on: Mar 26, 2010, 06:55 »
Thank you for the advice gamecock and still_in.

I am preparing for the interviews. I don't get nervous during interviews, and I've already had a face to face, one on one with the CO, the XO and the CMC about my prior service and what I did in the Army. I don't forget that they are just people, they may out rank me by 20+ years, but they are still just human.

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Re: STA-21 Personal Statement help??
« Reply #21 on: Mar 26, 2010, 10:03 »
It's not so much about being nervous its about having the right answers for the questions they ask. I can tell you what they asked me in a PM if you want. You are correct that the CO, XO and CMC are just people but the CO is the only one that will probably have a say in your package. I can just about guarantee that the CO doesn't know you from the rest of his 2000+ personnel.  Your three officer board will be conducted by sea-returnees that you don't know and will only have your package to look at.

You can count on an integrity type question to which there is no correct answer. They are looking for an answer that you will stand by, an answer that you will risk your job on.  For the interview you have to know what you will be doing as a Nuke Officer, Surface or Sub based on the needs of the Navy of course... but your going Subs!  So know what you will do after Power School, JO tour, shore tour, DH and the like. Be prepared to explain why you want to be an Officer as well.  Its good that you don't get nervous during interviews because that will help but it won't solve all the problems.  Just prepare the best you can and things will fall into place.

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Re: STA-21 Personal Statement help??
« Reply #22 on: Mar 27, 2010, 08:48 »
I would love a PM with a few of the questions. It would be beneficial to myself to have a few key points to read about.

Thanks again.

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« Reply #23 on: Apr 20, 2010, 12:58 »
Would anyone be willing to look over my personal statement?  I just got back from my command's NRB, they thought my package was one of the strongest they have seen, however, my personal statement needs some refinement, and I need to do a better job at selling myself at the board as I had a difficult time expressing my thoughts, and goals.

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Re: STA-21 Personal Statement help??
« Reply #24 on: Apr 25, 2010, 08:35 »
The guys on here are amazing at lending a hand. I recieved some very good input from many of the board members. Good luck on your application.

 


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