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Langoliers?
« on: Oct 13, 2010, 03:37 »
Over the past several months many of the more prolific posters have vanished from NW.  Are Langoliers to blame?
« Last Edit: Oct 13, 2010, 03:38 by Sun Dog »

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« Reply #1 on: Oct 13, 2010, 03:48 »
I'm in contact with virtually all of them, We email quite a bit. I know why they left.

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Re: Langoliers?
« Reply #2 on: Oct 13, 2010, 04:39 »
I'm in contact with virtually all of them, We email quite a bit. I know why they left.

Do you plan to keep us in suspence?
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« Reply #3 on: Oct 13, 2010, 04:43 »
They got mad at me.

At least I assume I am to blame for Tarbox and mostlyharmless.

Some of the others got mad at others, or my inaction related to others.
« Last Edit: Oct 13, 2010, 04:48 by Rennhack »

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« Reply #4 on: Oct 13, 2010, 05:14 »
Mike,

No one is angry at you or anything you've done. You're top notch guy and no one will ever say otherwise, nor have they indicated as such to me. If they did take a shot at you they'd get a blast from me my friend!!

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« Reply #5 on: Oct 13, 2010, 06:40 »
Thank you.

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« Reply #6 on: Oct 13, 2010, 10:27 »
Anytime!

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« Reply #7 on: Oct 13, 2010, 10:59 »
So what happened to Tarbox, and if anyone knows how to contact him have him email me at my new email camellablack1@hotmail.com. I had to change due to my account being stolen.

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« Reply #8 on: Oct 13, 2010, 11:51 »
I'll tell him! He left for the same reason the others left and why I don't give advice.
Consider your request done!

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« Reply #9 on: Oct 14, 2010, 12:23 »
Open message to Tarbox, mostlyharmless, Motown, et al:

WE MISS YOU.  COME BACK!
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« Reply #10 on: Oct 14, 2010, 01:03 »
mutant too. And any others who had a lot of common sense and weren't afraid to call the ball.

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« Reply #11 on: Oct 14, 2010, 03:40 »
Open message to Tarbox, mostlyharmless, Motown, et al:

WE MISS YOU.  COME BACK!


Ditto!

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« Reply #12 on: Oct 14, 2010, 03:43 »
mutant too. And any others who had a lot of common sense and weren't afraid to call the ball.

So, in your opinion... Why did they go?

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« Reply #13 on: Oct 14, 2010, 08:34 »
So, in your opinion... Why did they go?
Some because of postings like this:
http://www.nukeworker.com/forum/index.php/topic,25718.msg131517.html#msg131517
which was in response to someone trying to get a job.

However, the majority of us already know that.

Sorry to disturb your Hallmark moment.   [GH]

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« Reply #14 on: Oct 14, 2010, 08:46 »
So, in your opinion... Why did they go?

Because not all the changes you've instituted have been for the  better.

The forum rules used to be enforced. 

You have caved to the pressure of the vocal minority who screamed "censorship" every time they violated a forum rule and had a post edited, or (GASP) deleted. 

You have fired all the moderators who helped keep the peace, which I guess makes sense if nothing is "allowed" to be moderated.

There are more posts like the one Co60 linked to.  They are becoming the norm these days.

For the record, I'm not going to leave the site, although I'm sure few would notice if I did. 

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« Reply #15 on: Oct 14, 2010, 09:03 »
What he said!

I'd recommend we move the thread to GM if we wish to discuss in detail.

Dave

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« Reply #16 on: Oct 14, 2010, 09:35 »
There is a small vocal minority who dominate almost every discussion on these boards and offer very little advice or discussion of any value to most postings. They just want a soapbox to shout out to the world how brilliant they are. It shuts down any openness on the boards making most new people having to send us emails in private if they just want some basic information without being attacked.

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« Reply #17 on: Oct 14, 2010, 10:55 »
There is a small vocal minority who dominate almost every discussion on these boards and offer very little advice or discussion of any value to most postings. They just want a soapbox to shout out to the world how brilliant they are. It shuts down any openness on the boards making most new people having to send us emails in private if they just want some basic information without being attacked.
 Beercourt means well
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« Reply #18 on: Oct 14, 2010, 11:25 »
What he said!

I'd recommend we move the thread to GM if we wish to discuss in detail.

Dave

In GM polysci the language would be more colorful but the message needs to be delivered here, in the public forum.

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« Reply #19 on: Oct 15, 2010, 08:12 »
I don't believe that the moderator positions were the problem..... ;)

Just some of the individuals selected to perform the function..... :o

back to my Lurker Status........ [whistle]
 
« Last Edit: Oct 15, 2010, 08:13 by RAD-GHOST »

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« Reply #20 on: Oct 15, 2010, 12:22 »
Because not all the changes you've instituted have been for the  better.

The forum rules used to be enforced. 

You have caved to the pressure of the vocal minority who screamed "censorship" every time they violated a forum rule and had a post edited, or (GASP) deleted. 

You have fired all the moderators who helped keep the peace, which I guess makes sense if nothing is "allowed" to be moderated.

There are more posts like the one Co60 linked to.  They are becoming the norm these days.

For the record, I'm not going to leave the site, although I'm sure few would notice if I did. 

Cheers,
GC

Well said and to the point.

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« Reply #21 on: Oct 15, 2010, 01:36 »
There are more posts like the one Co60 linked to.  They are becoming the norm these days.

For the record, I'm not going to leave the site, although I'm sure few would notice if I did. 
There are a few people that like to put on the mask/cape and wander anonymously looking for someone to pick on.  I think the term is "bully".   However, I don't think that we should have to rely on Moderators to regulate our behavior.

More so, that behavior has been encouraged by the top levels of this Forum.   Go take a look at some of our more colorful posters, their behavior, and see who rewards them with +K.  On the other hand, the more colorful posters don't seem to care about Karma, so that's also a pretty worthless tool, IMHO.

Another useful tool is to take a look at someones history of postings.   Fun to see someone spend 2 weeks mudslinging and proving to the world that they've never had Economics 101, let alone Political Science, and then step out to throw a dictionary at some college grad asking about our Industry.   And for you new posters asking questions, your first lesson in being a good Nuke is to understand the source of your answer and question it.   Otherwise, you can honestly take whatever misinformation you get.  In Nuclear power, the egomanic shouting the loudest to be heard is usually the more incorrect person in the room.

One of the last Dinosaurs to "quit" Nukeworker complained to Mike and was happy to CC me on the PM:  "Either he goes or I go".     What are we here....junior high school?   Take you ball and go home.  Don't come back until you grow up, as far as I'm concerned, but when you do, leave the high school kids asking about Nuclear Power alone.   They don't answer to us...not yet anyway.

GC, you've forgotten more about the Nuclear Navy than many of these "6 and outers" ever bothered to study and figure out.   On that note, there's no reason to respond to any of the personal attacks...there are 100s of us here that know better.  I do admire those that couldn't figure out the Nuclear Navy, left it, and are successful in Commercial.   I love success stories...of all kinds.   However, a few need to quit being an ass and spitting on the organization that trained them to begin with and just move on already.   

I'd love to hear a 757 Commercial jetliner pilot call an F-18 pilot a "T-Baller".   (Laughing).   "Look, my 4 engines are bigger than yours".  It's not clear the comparative slam works well here.  At least not for the educated crowd.   Oh wait....aren't many 757 pilots former military?  Hmm.

/RANT.  TGIF!

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« Reply #22 on: Oct 15, 2010, 02:03 »
If nothing else, this post will let people get some things off their chest that has been bothering them.

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« Reply #23 on: Oct 15, 2010, 04:11 »
Yeah, and while some posters on here act like jerks, the info they give is good sometimes, so it is probably worth it overall.  People have to get a "stab" in there to make them feel like big men, I guess.  I can't exactly figure out why they do it.

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« Reply #24 on: Oct 15, 2010, 04:22 »
There were some very helpful people among the departed.  The new folks need and appreciate their experience.

It's unfortunate that they felt they had to leave for whatever reason.
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« Reply #25 on: Oct 15, 2010, 07:13 »


You gave me +K for that thread, Sun Dog.   "Holding the confused fusion fan accountable".  See:
http://www.nukeworker.com/forum/index.php?action=otherkarma;u=32116

What's your point?  I'm only a 4th stringer on here, so if you don't type anything between my postings, I don't read between the lines.

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« Reply #26 on: Oct 15, 2010, 08:33 »
Way way back when, I first came to the boards as "20 years gone" and asked for advice as retirement was coming up.  And I got a lot of very supportive answers, with one or two that were not so supportive, but nothing horrible.  As I started reading the boards, I watched Mike and some of his comments, and I foolishly answered and argued with him on occasion. 
As the years have gone by, I've adopted a different approach.  There are guys on the boards who are so helpfull...  They are always logical, and they know so much, and I wanted to be helpful like they'd helped me.  So, when I'd see some newcomer get slammed, I'd occasionally try and put out a bit of more constructive info to him... It doesn't take all that much time, and the thing is... People like having their concerns or questions answered.  Sure, we can all read the archives, and eventually, everything will be answered, but then who'll write on the boards? 
I frankly have a great deal of respect for most everyone here.  Broadzilla is the poster child for negative posting, and he does a bit of it.. But he's right almost all the time.  I guess I just thought arguing with him was like taking on a force of nature.. You can't out yell the wind. 
Bottom line...  It'll be a better place if we put out our own positive and helpful info, rather than argue with the techniches of some of the others.

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Re: Langoliers?
« Reply #27 on: Oct 15, 2010, 09:30 »
OK Mike, I'll vent too.
It's a matter of civility. I'll admit I've struggled with it myself, my sarcasm button is easy to hit.
But I've tried to get better.
When Honeycomb was on here as a mod was when I first really noticed things getting mean. I don't miss him...
Some of the ones that left surprised me - Motown Homey is one of the steadiest people I have known in this biz.
I left here years ago - when another very political member was on probation - because I thought it was an overreaction at the time.
I came back because this is the most useful non-company site on the internet. I'll stay. I'll continue to try to be nice to new people, respectful of my peers, and not kick too much at the ornery. At least in public.
You have a great thing here - but much like our society and government - the lowest common denominator is starting to rule here.... some days it really seems like mob rule.
Much like work, when it gets silly here, I take one of the kids fishing. Usually makes me feel better... ;)
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« Reply #28 on: Oct 15, 2010, 09:45 »
I recall giving the +K, that's why I knew where to grab the quotes!   ;)

I still believe you deserve that thumbs up...I don't have a problem with your approach, then or now.  I was not judging you.  I was just pointing out that the term "Bully" as it relates to a posting technique is very subjective.  I am sure our confused fan of fusion thought you were being a Bully...even though he kept those thoughts to himself.  Personally, I thought you were right on the mark.

I should have pointed this out initially and avoided the confusion.  My bad.

No bad.  It is very subjective, as was my "wack job" comment in the other thread...although, I just need a better adjective.   I despise arguments that have no facts (e.g., fusion).

Lots of wise advice in this thread.  Thanks SunDog, Creeker, and HouseDad.


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Re: Langoliers?
« Reply #29 on: Oct 16, 2010, 12:09 »
In GM polysci the language would be more colorful but the message needs to be delivered here, in the public forum.

Well said and on the money!  I'm glad for all the response this has gotten.  This is the discussion we need from time to time. 

Mike has the vision for this site and started it because of that vision.  I wandered onto it because I saw it during an outage and signed up after lurking for several months.  We, and the many who have volunteered over the years are merely the caretakers of YOUR site.  Whenever someone leaves I take it personally and wonder what I did or didn't do that might have caused them to go.  However, I know that leaving can be inevitable and I just hope for a return someday.

I can be the worst as far as response time to PM's at times because I've had hoof-in-mouth too many times in the past when I didn't measure my words well before responding.  Please don't take this or other slow action as not caring or paying attention.  Keep after us so that we can make YOUR site better.  This is one of many GREAT discussions that have occurred this year that have changed the site.  It definitely needs to be out here for everyone to contribute to.

As always, my PM box (& Mike's) is always open if you'd rather go that route.  The key is keep talking, we are listening.  Please also remember that change is always ongoing and not always permanent. 

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Re: Langoliers?
« Reply #30 on: Oct 16, 2010, 06:03 »

So, when I'd see some newcomer get slammed, I'd occasionally try and put out a bit of more constructive info to him... It doesn't take all that much time, and the thing is... People like having their concerns or questions answered.  Sure, we can all read the archives, and eventually, everything will be answered, but then who'll write on the boards?  


Great Point!  :)


Some of the ones that left surprised me - Motown Homey is one of the steadiest people I have known in this biz.

I came back because this is the most useful non-company site on the internet. I'll stay. I'll continue to try to be nice to new people, respectful of my peers, and not kick too much at the ornery. At least in public.


Ditto.  :)


I can be the worst as far as response time to PM's at times because I've had hoof-in-mouth too many times in the past when I didn't measure my words well before responding.  Please don't take this or other slow action as not caring or paying attention.  


'Hoof-in-Mouth'...we ALL get it sometimes.  ;) You are right that we can minimize it by taking a few minutes (...hours?  ...days?) before we jump into the fray...  :)





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« Last Edit: Oct 16, 2010, 06:51 by UncaBuffalo »
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« Reply #31 on: Oct 16, 2010, 09:11 »
I respect the people who pay back what they have been given as generosity goes a long way. The way I have to look at it is I can learn from these people who are short with people who don't try to help themselves.The newbies want someone else to do the work for them.Maybe they are new but a kinder nudge to use the search function is a good lesson instead of someone answering the minute they post a question.If they had to wait a little maybe they would search on their own. If you keep telling the puppy NO he'll finally learn not to chew on your slippers.I have read many posts by a certain shift manager and asked myself how can I apply this advice to my own situation.I'm still learning.It seems people are getting their feelings hurt and running to Dad for help.Stop chewing on the slippers and the beatings will stop.
« Last Edit: Oct 16, 2010, 09:13 by stownsend »

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« Reply #32 on: Oct 16, 2010, 12:21 »
Here is my two cents.  It’s intended to add to the conversation, not dominate it.

When the site started, we encouraged the Wild West mentality, mostly to get the word out that there was a place out here where you could tell the world how it is.
Then we pulled the reigns in a little when it got to be a too wild (Remember the Duke Power system being banned?)
Then we asked a lot of people to help moderate, to help enforce the rules, get to get people conditioned as to what was expected.
Now people know what to expect, and they mostly act accordingly (It only took 11 years, hehe).
We have a huge family that self-polices itself.  Most everyone can hit the ‘report to moderator’ button, and they know how to use it.  In a way, we are all moderators.

At this point in the sites life, it doesn’t need additional moderators, because we do such a good job of self-moderating.  If it changes, so will we.  We didn’t let moderators go because of some lowest common denominator.  The cry-babies have been here from the start.  The moderators have been released from duty because they were successful in educating each other in how we should act.

How we should act changes from day to day, and year to year.  But overall, I think I am very proud of the users, members and the content of this site… that nuclear built.

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« Reply #33 on: Oct 16, 2010, 12:34 »
As far as people getting their feelings hurt, and leaving.

It happens.  We don’t want to see anyone go, but sometimes they need to take a break.  They need to give themselves a time out, and they do.  Most people come back.  Some don’t.  Those that don’t come back, is because they don’t need us.  That’s a good thing.  It’s also a good thing that we are here for those that do need us.

Some folks have mentioned Broadzilla in this thread.  I tried coaching him.  I even put him on probation. – He didn’t change his approach (that I could perceive… but perhaps he has).  I had a decision to make.  Boot him from the site, or allow him to be him. – We are not going to boot anyone from this site, just for being themselves.  He is trying to help people, in his own way.  It’s not the way that I would like it to be, but I have to accept that not everyone in the world is like me.  I also have to accept that my way isn’t the only way, and it might not always be the right way.  – I encourage others that dislike his methods to not fight with him, but to accept him as he is.  A simple reply to one of his ‘janitor/ search’ replies with a reply with the other side of the coin.  That way, people will see there are all kind of people in the world, even in nuclear.  – Variety is the spice of life.  If we were all Beercourts or Marssims…  The site would be pretty lame.  What I’m preaching is tolerance, for the things we don’t like or agree with.  Sometimes that means tolerating me, sometimes its tolerating Dave Warren… that commy pinko…  sorry…  It doesn’t mean you have to like it, doesn’t mean you have to enjoy it, or agree with it… It’s like the winter in the north.  You don’t necessarily like it, but you build up a tolerance, you adapt, you accept what you cannot change because you choose to live there.

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« Reply #34 on: Oct 16, 2010, 01:29 »
:-\

You know what I mean, don't go getting your panties in a wad.  If we were all the same, the site would have no diversity or opposing views.

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« Reply #35 on: Oct 16, 2010, 08:01 »
As far as people getting their feelings hurt, and leaving.

It happens.  We don’t want to see anyone go, but sometimes they need to take a break.  They need to give themselves a time out, and they do.  

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« Reply #36 on: Oct 18, 2010, 07:33 »
BROADZILLA....... [prize]

Actually I appreciate his Sam Kinison sense of humor..... ;)

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« Reply #37 on: Oct 18, 2010, 10:43 »
You need the idiots of this world to make the rest of us look good!  ;D

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« Reply #38 on: Oct 18, 2010, 12:27 »
sometimes its tolerating Dave Warren… that commy pinko… 

Wow.

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« Reply #39 on: Oct 18, 2010, 01:53 »
Wow.

Of course, I meant that in the nicest possible way. ;)

And apparently I spelled it wrong, its commie pinko.  Please forgive me.
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« Reply #40 on: Oct 18, 2010, 03:10 »
Of course, I meant that in the nicest possible way. ;)

And apparently I spelled it wrong, its commie pinko.  Please forgive me.

Janitor...  ;)
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« Reply #41 on: Oct 19, 2010, 09:22 »
Of course, I meant that in the nicest possible way.

And apparently I spelled it wrong, its commie pinko.  Please forgive me.

Does that make you a commie pinko sympatizer? ::)

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« Reply #42 on: Oct 19, 2010, 10:38 »
Yes.

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Re: Langoliers?
« Reply #43 on: Oct 20, 2010, 12:06 »
OK Mike, I'll vent too.
It's a matter of civility. I'll admit I've struggled with it myself, my sarcasm button is easy to hit.
But I've tried to get better.
When Honeycomb was on here as a mod was when I first really noticed things getting mean. I don't miss him...
Some of the ones that left surprised me - Motown Homey is one of the steadiest people I have known in this biz.
I left here years ago - when another very political member was on probation - because I thought it was an overreaction at the time.
I came back because this is the most useful non-company site on the internet. I'll stay. I'll continue to try to be nice to new people, respectful of my peers, and not kick too much at the ornery. At least in public.
You have a great thing here - but much like our society and government - the lowest common denominator is starting to rule here.... some days it really seems like mob rule.Much like work, when it gets silly here, I take one of the kids fishing. Usually makes me feel better... ;)


I agree very much with this. I have read this thread several times debating whether or not to post mainly for the same reasons that others have left and still others are no longer very active.

There was a time on here that you could poke fun at others and still remain friends (although some went too far at times). I believe that the site has lost a lot of its luster over the last 6 months or longer and I was quite surprised at some of the members who left. I don't know if I am a gluten for punishment or just so damn stubborn that I couldn't stay away, but I decided that I was not going to allow someone (even the big boss) take something away from me that I enjoy, so I came back.

I realize that time changes and so do other things, but not all change is good.

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« Reply #44 on: Oct 20, 2010, 12:31 »
I agree very much with this. I have read this thread several times debating whether or not to post mainly for the same reasons that others have left and still others are no longer very active.

There was a time on here that you could poke fun at others and still remain friends (although some went too far at times). I believe that the site has lost a lot of its luster over the last 6 months or longer and I was quite surprised at some of the members who left. I don't know if I am a gluten for punishment or just so damn stubborn that I couldn't stay away, but I decided that I was not going to allow someone (even the big boss) take something away from me that I enjoy, so I came back.

I realize that time changes and so do other things, but not all change is good.

Gluten for punishment, only to us celiacs! ;)

+K to you for sharing, and I for one am glad to see ya back!

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Re: Langoliers?
« Reply #45 on: Oct 20, 2010, 01:26 »
I discovered 2 days ago that I still have a pulse.... :o Someone was posting in an unhelpful manner and I jumped up with an immediate cut down..... Then I deleted my response after I remembered what one of my early commercial supervisors (KD from SONGS) told me about replying to things. "Try really hard to add to life, not take away from it." He was talking about face to face discussions, but it applies to the internet as well. I now try to ask myself when posting on here and elsewhere "Does this add life or crush it?" . If it doesn't add to life I delete it...... That is the one advantage of the net, It gives you the power to extract your foot from various places (your mouth, someone elses posterior) before it goes into those places. Mike,
thanks for the place to post.

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Re: Langoliers?
« Reply #46 on: Oct 20, 2010, 01:27 »
It seems people are talking with their feet.  I’m not sure why so I checked out despair.com for inspiration.

For those who come here wide-eyed looking for some support, only to be bashed for a myriad of reasons, I give you:
BITTERNESS
Never be afraid to share your dreams with the world, because there's nothing the world loves more than the taste of really sweet dreams.

For those who come here and get upset when somebody challenges their ability or motives, I give you:
DELUSIONS
There is no greater joy than soaring high on the wings of your dreams, except maybe the joy of watching a dreamer who has nowhere to land but in the ocean of reality.

For those who justify poorly thought out responses with worse explanations, I give you:
EXCUSES
If you keep asking others to give you the benefit of the doubt, they'll eventually start to doubt your benefit.

For those who think they can't catch a break from anyone here, I give you:
DYSFUNCTION
The only consistent feature in all of your dissatisfying relationships is you.

For those who dislike those who disagree with them based on principle alone. I give you:
PRETENSION
The downside of being better than everyone else is that people tend to assume you're pretentious.

For those seeking special treatment because of their unique talents, I give you:
INDIVIDUALITY
Always remember that you are unique. Just like everybody else.

For those who consistently apply the rules of the forum when it suits them, I give you:
CONFORMITY
When people are free to do as they please, they usually imitate each other.

And finally, for those who like the website, despite its imperfections, I give you two things to remember:
STRIFE
As long as we have each other, we'll never run out of problems.

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COMPROMISE
Let's agree to respect each others views, no matter how wrong yours may be.
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Re: Langoliers?
« Reply #47 on: Oct 21, 2010, 05:27 »
Broadzilla is the poster child for negative posting, and he does a bit of it.. But he's right almost all the time.  I guess I just thought arguing with him was like taking on a force of nature.. You can't out yell the wind. 

You must know him personally!  ;D I can vouch for that, if not.

I would rather at least point them in the right direction, but it is much more time-consuming than, "Use the search function, T-baller!"
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Re: Langoliers?
« Reply #48 on: Oct 23, 2010, 12:55 »
You must know him personally!  ;D I can vouch for that, if not.

I would rather at least point them in the right direction, but it is much more time-consuming than, "Use the search function, T-baller!"


HEY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

BTW I like virtually everyone on this site. Those who know me in person will vouch I'm more like to ask What The H*** do you want ? then go about helping them. I won't apologize for my viewpoint that prospective nukes should come here with the following skills:

1: Humility
2: Ability to research and search prior to asking their question, none of these snowflakes have new or unique issues.
3: The ability to spell correct, punctuate correctly and to present themselves in a logical manner, both my children can do this, there's no reason a future nuke shouldn't be able to do so.
4: The ability to take a swift kick in the ass and say thank you sir may I have another please.

Let's face it, every good nuke any of us have ever known has possessed these fundamental skills in abundance, why shouldn't the cupcakes be required to have them too?

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Re: Langoliers?
« Reply #49 on: Oct 23, 2010, 02:19 »
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3: The ability to spell correct(ly), punctuate correctly.
















Little over site there Mike?  Still, very good points, just felt like busting your ba**s. +K
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Re: Langoliers?
« Reply #50 on: Oct 23, 2010, 03:13 »
HEY! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
BTW I like virtually everyone on this site. Those who know me in person will vouch that I'm more likely to ask, " What The H*** do you want?", then I go about helping them. I won't apologize for my viewpoint that prospective nukes should come here with the following skills:

1: Humility
2: Ability to research and search prior to asking their question, none None of these snowflakes have new or unique issues.
3: The ability to spell correctly, punctuate correctly and to present themselves in a logical manner, both Both of my children can do this, so there's no reason a future nuke shouldn't be able to do so as well.
4: The ability to take a swift kick in the ass and say, "Thank you sir, may I have another please?".

Let's face it, every good nuke any of us have has ever known has possessed these fundamental skills in abundance,Why shouldn't should the "cupcakes" not be required to have them too?
Dang that was difficult.  10 minutes of "NW forum formatting and reformatting" that I'll never get back.

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Re: Langoliers?
« Reply #51 on: Oct 23, 2010, 03:44 »
Dang that was difficult.  10 minutes of "NW forum formatting and reformatting" that I'll never get back.

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It just goes to show the lengths to which you Broadzilla groupies will go to be part of the herd ;)

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Re: Langoliers?
« Reply #52 on: Oct 23, 2010, 03:50 »
LOL DANGIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I hate it when I do that.

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Re: Langoliers?
« Reply #53 on: Oct 23, 2010, 04:22 »
It just goes to show the lengths to which you Broadzilla groupies will go to be part of the herd ;)
I'm going to have t-shirts made up.  I'm half-serious.   Who's in?

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Re: Langoliers?
« Reply #54 on: Oct 23, 2010, 04:25 »

1: Humility

Ok I am gonna bite the bait.  Humility is not a trait I would say you would ooze.................nor do many on here.

That said, I am glad to see this conversation going on.  I too decided it was best to not input/post due to many of the "antics" I had seen.  I didnt give up on it totally (still lurk and view from time to time) but not as much as I used to.  And it certainly helped make my mind up on whether to renew as a GM, which I didnt.  It really became harder and harder to bite my tongue (virtual that is), so rather than fight the fight, I left or sat in the back corner of the room.

I will say this, if the conversations are more like this I would consider coming back.  And as a GM to boot.

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Re: Langoliers?
« Reply #55 on: Oct 23, 2010, 04:58 »
Humility as in learn from your mistakes, those of others, be able to accept input even wen it is in direct contradiction of your image of yourself.

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Re: Langoliers?
« Reply #56 on: Oct 23, 2010, 07:14 »
Ok I am gonna bite the bait.  Humility is not a trait I would say you would ooze.................nor do many on here.
I thought the same thing.

Honestly, I think we all (i.e., professional nukes) "ooze" so much at work (along with the other traits BZ bulleted) that when we log in here....we have nothing left.

A wise GM member told me:  "Lighten up...after all, it's just the Internet".

Otherwise, I'm sure Mr. Rennhack would appreciate a little stimulus money thrown his way.  Many of us here have very nice incomes.   It's through humility that perhaps we "donate" to a good cause?

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Re: Langoliers?
« Reply #57 on: Oct 23, 2010, 08:47 »
I thought the same thing.

Honestly, I think we all (i.e., professional nukes) "ooze" so much at work (along with the other traits BZ bulleted) that when we log in here....we have nothing left.

A wise GM member told me:  "Lighten up...after all, it's just the Internet".

Otherwise, I'm sure Mr. Rennhack would appreciate a little stimulus money thrown his way.  Many of us here have very nice incomes.   It's through humility that perhaps we "donate" to a good cause?

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Re: Langoliers?
« Reply #58 on: Oct 23, 2010, 08:53 »
I'm going to have t-shirts made up.  I'm half-serious.   Who's in?

NW symbol on the front pocket, and on the back:
"I was flamed on NW by BROADZILLA and survived!"

We also need a disclaimer in the Navy: Getting In section:
"Warning: there is a dinosaur on the loose.  Misspell words and use incorrect English at your own risk!   Also, you must be this high [pointing to height chart] to ride this ride.   Have a Fine Navy Day!"

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I agree however, me personally I usually just say to Have a Day, far be it from me to tell someone what kind of day to have (a little of that humility maybe?).  Besides, I don't know about the rest of you, but most of my Navy days weren't very fine (sorry,  [OT] )
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Re: Langoliers?
« Reply #59 on: Oct 23, 2010, 09:09 »
I agree however, me personally I usually just say to Have a Day, far be it from me to tell someone what kind of day to have (a little of that humility maybe?).  Besides, I don't know about the rest of you, but most of my Navy days weren't very fine (sorry,  [OT] )
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Re: Langoliers?
« Reply #60 on: Oct 23, 2010, 09:21 »
I actually had a heck of a good time in the Navy. I met my three best friends there, got to do some interesting things, spent over 5 years of it in Florida, Idaho, and San Fran places I might not otherwise have ever seen and even though at times it sucked it certainly beat pumping gas in Nowhere Ohio for a living.

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Re: Langoliers?
« Reply #61 on: Oct 23, 2010, 10:27 »
even though at times it sucked it certainly beat pumping gas in Nowhere Ohio for a living.
Ain't that the truth, anything beats being in Ohio!!  [dowave]
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Re: Langoliers?
« Reply #62 on: Oct 23, 2010, 10:48 »
Hey the best looking porn star in the world is from Ohio.

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Re: Langoliers?
« Reply #63 on: Oct 23, 2010, 11:03 »
Hey the best looking porn star in the world is from Ohio.

Remembering that factoid was part of dolphins quals, right? ;)

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Re: Langoliers?
« Reply #64 on: Oct 23, 2010, 11:08 »
LOL well this would be from my post Dolphin days but in my view Christina Carter is one of the best and most natural looking women in the country.

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Re: Langoliers?
« Reply #65 on: Oct 24, 2010, 02:38 »
Humility as in learn from your mistakes, those of others, be able to accept input even wen it is in direct contradiction of your image of yourself.

Funny thing about humility is when I say prayers with my two girls at night I have them pray for two things: strength and humility.  I will definitely incorporate what you said here into it.  Much like the serenity prayer.

My kids always seem a little puzzled as to why I have them pray for these things.  IOW, why not just pray for an end to world hunger or for world peace.  Its about the actions is what I tell them.  We are all capable of helping our fellow man.  I think most of us here share that belief.  Perhaps, your message of a person possesing the ability to help one's self is lost in the delivery.  I know I tend to focus on how I can help the individual rather than promoting his/her's own self help. :-\

Different strokes, but in the end the same result, someone gets helped.

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Re: Langoliers?
« Reply #66 on: Oct 24, 2010, 08:48 »
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